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moderated Re: excel with jaws

Ann Byrne
 

That analysis pane thing can be turned off in file/options/general.

At 11:27 AM 12/2/2020, you wrote:
I can replicate what you are talking about. If a group of cells with content is selected and then I hit either Control key, Excel opens some sort of small pop-up with options in it. I hear JAWS say, �Tab‑ Analysis Lens Formatting Tab‑ selected range�. If you hit escape, the pop-up goes away, still leaving the cells selected, and you can do what you needed to do. I only get this if I press Control alone. If I press Control and Shift together or another command that requires the Control plus another key, it does not occur.

Hope this helps.



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hi Chris
for example when selecting cells we press CTRL+SHIFT+Down errow
once i live them excel open quick analysis page
also when i'm in chart object CTRL used to open chart toolpar
so when click CTRL + another key mostly open toolpar.
i'm using excel 2016 and jaws 2019
thanks
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moderated Re: Tapin radio & Preferences

Jim L
 

Yes I did, below check out there reply😊

 

Hello,

 

I’m afraid that is Jaws only problem.

 

Not sure what can be done about it.

 

Sorry about that.

 

Regards

Philip Oldaker

Raimersoft

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jim L
Sent: Tuesday, 1 December 2020 11:50 PM
To: support@...
Subject: Tapin Radio, Jaws screen reader & Preferences

 

Hello,

 

Am a registered user of your brilliant program Tapin Radio but for years now using latest Jaws screen reader and Tapin Radio’s preferences screen, Jaws reads constantly thru each individual option and its really hard for me to change preferences on that screen, has this issue been looked at, at  all? as I know from day dot you always made this program screen reader friendly.

 

Regards,

 

Jim

 

 

 

 

 

Regards,

 

Jim

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, 2 December 2020 1:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Tapin radio & Preferences

 

Have you contacted them?

support@...

 

Richard

 

"You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young."

"Why, what did she tell you?"

"I don't know, I didn't listen."

-- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy



On Dec 1, 2020, at 9:18 PM, Jim L <jimscave@...> wrote:



 

Heya folks,

 

Can anyone help me with the best way to get round Tapin radio’s prefernces screen with Jaws? It just reads constantly many options at once and has been like this for ages.

 

Any help will be appreciated.

 

Cheers,

 

Jim

 


moderated Re: Free word processors

 

On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 02:11 PM, JM Casey wrote:
It does. But I guess questioning whether, for instance, complicated formatting done with libre will translate effectively to MS
-
MS Word can save and read Open Document Text (ODT) files natively as well.

Virtually all of the modern word processors can open the file formats created by their competitors, and save to that format, natively.  You can force conversions via Save As if you so choose, and there can be occasional small changes in formatting, but this is the product of changing the file format.  If you stick with whatever the original file format happens to be it should appear identically in any word processor that can read that file format natively (rather than doing a conversion on reading in to it's own default format "on the fly").
 
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moderated Re: Windows 10 home and the settings app

Andrew Summers
 

I forgot to say, I am using JAWS2021.

 

Andrew

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andrew Summers via groups.io
Sent: 02 December 2020 19:57
To: JAWS <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: FW: Windows 10 home and the settings app

 

 

 

From: asummers112@... <asummers112@...>
Sent: 02 December 2020 19:23
To: access-uk@... (access-uk@...) <access-uk@...>
Subject: Windows 10 home and the settings app

 

Hi,

When I open the settings app, I get 3 options near the top and my name.

They are, log in, update, rewards. When I tab around.

How do I remove the above as I have a local account on my PC?

 

Andrew


moderated Re: Windows 10 home and the settings app

 

Hi,

These are headers added in recent feature updates, and you can’t remove them.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andrew Summers via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 11:57 AM
To: JAWS <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: FW: Windows 10 home and the settings app

 

 

 

From: asummers112@... <asummers112@...>
Sent: 02 December 2020 19:23
To: access-uk@... (access-uk@...) <access-uk@...>
Subject: Windows 10 home and the settings app

 

Hi,

When I open the settings app, I get 3 options near the top and my name.

They are, log in, update, rewards. When I tab around.

How do I remove the above as I have a local account on my PC?

 

Andrew


moderated Re: What is an accessible download "speed test" website?

Gerald Levy
 


The easiest and most accessible speed test is fast.com.  Just visit fast.com, and in a few seconds you will get your download speed in understandlable format.


Gerald



On 12/2/2020 2:39 PM, Richard B. McDonald wrote:

Hi!

 

I need to confirm the speed at which my Internet connection is able to download.  I am familiar with certain “speed test” websites for that purpose, but which is an accessible website for this?

 

Also, on a technical point, if I am on my WiFi and do this, is the test result 1) between the Internet and my WiFi router or 2) between the Internet and my laptop via the WiFi?  Is it better to plug-in my laptop into the router via an ethernet cable to do this test so as to make the test the “1” situation?  In considering the “2” situation, generally, what is a WiFi’s speed (assuming 4/4 signal strength bars) between the router and my laptop?

 

Thanks,

Richard


moderated Re: windows narrator, hyper v and windows server issues for a blind student

HH. Smith Jr.
 

Hi Marvin,

 

When I setup Microsoft server 2016 on my desktop using VMware pro, it was a beast doing it without sight. However, after I got passed the install with sighted help, I had narrator set to come on upon start up of the server. I also went ahead and paid for the remote license for JAWS and had that also come on at start -up with a distinctly different voice; so, I could distinguish which OS running. I haven’t had any issues since.  

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marvin Hunkin
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 5:32 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: windows narrator, hyper v and windows server issues for a blind student

 

Hi. Have two issues using hyper v with narrator.

When creating a vm, and then installing windows server 2019. Have not tried it with 2016. Narrator does not turn on, just hear caps lock on and off. And nvda does not turn on either. Also tried the audio end point builder and audio srv inside a vm, in windows server. Does not come on. Wish there was a way for narrator to detect if the client talk back to the server. Did try vm ware player, able to use the windows 10 talking installer. Did read the install screens for windows server 2019 essentials. But when it rebooted, no speech, and just the vm ware window. So no good. And virtual box kept chrashing when I tried to use it. So hyper v is built into windows 10 pro which I have. So for the most part it is accessible with jaws, nvda. So, any one got any scripts, work arounds, or how they get around it. Having to wait for sighted people to remote in to my machine, and then having to do this. Would like to set it up without sighted help. Microsoft has a gap in this space. Did give feedback on the user voice and also feeback hub if Microsoft reads my feedback. Unless you can direct me where I could contact the narrator accessibility team and also the windows server accessibility. Frustrated. Got 3 weeks to do two last practical assignments. And stressing out. Then every oen goes on vacation for a few weeks. Got till January  9 to complete my current course.

If any one has had issues, being totally blind, how did they get speech, under hyper v virtual machine. Don’t have access to a dedicated server. Remote connection manager, worked some times and connected, then would not do that. So just used the hyper v connection I had. And then when getting out of one of my vms, if I do a shutdown, does not go back to the host, totally chrashes my speech. If I disconnect, still get speech which is weird.

Any ideas.

Just frustrated

Able to use nvda as don’t have a jaws remote licence, going to purchase a jaws remote licence in 2021. Will beenrolling in the diploma of networking from http://www.upskilled.edu.au. Only blind student there online..

Marvin.

 


moderated FW: Windows 10 home and the settings app

Andrew Summers
 

 

 

From: asummers112@... <asummers112@...>
Sent: 02 December 2020 19:23
To: access-uk@... (access-uk@...) <access-uk@...>
Subject: Windows 10 home and the settings app

 

Hi,

When I open the settings app, I get 3 options near the top and my name.

They are, log in, update, rewards. When I tab around.

How do I remove the above as I have a local account on my PC?

 

Andrew


moderated Re: What is an accessible download "speed test" website?

Lino Morales
 

Here is a good one:

beta.speedtest.net/

On 12/2/2020 2:39 PM, Richard B. McDonald wrote:

Hi!

 

I need to confirm the speed at which my Internet connection is able to download.  I am familiar with certain “speed test” websites for that purpose, but which is an accessible website for this?

 

Also, on a technical point, if I am on my WiFi and do this, is the test result 1) between the Internet and my WiFi router or 2) between the Internet and my laptop via the WiFi?  Is it better to plug-in my laptop into the router via an ethernet cable to do this test so as to make the test the “1” situation?  In considering the “2” situation, generally, what is a WiFi’s speed (assuming 4/4 signal strength bars) between the router and my laptop?

 

Thanks,

Richard


moderated Re: jaws 2021 and Zoom

Richard Turner
 

I don’t know if that is a function of the Zoom basic scripts but you might want to check to see if they are there.

I’ve not had need to use Zoom since Jaws 2021.

 

 

 

Richard

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There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rebecca Ilniski
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 7:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: jaws 2021 and Zoom

 

Hi everyone.  For some reason when I installed Jaws 2021 my notifications in Zoom no longer read when someone comes online and so forth.  How can I fix this issue?  I have my setting to all speech when I’m on zoom and the notifications are checked.  Thanks.

 

Rebecca Ilniski and guide dog Marvin

Email: rilniski@...

Twitter: applegirl1994

 


moderated What is an accessible download "speed test" website?

Richard B. McDonald
 

Hi!

 

I need to confirm the speed at which my Internet connection is able to download.  I am familiar with certain “speed test” websites for that purpose, but which is an accessible website for this?

 

Also, on a technical point, if I am on my WiFi and do this, is the test result 1) between the Internet and my WiFi router or 2) between the Internet and my laptop via the WiFi?  Is it better to plug-in my laptop into the router via an ethernet cable to do this test so as to make the test the “1” situation?  In considering the “2” situation, generally, what is a WiFi’s speed (assuming 4/4 signal strength bars) between the router and my laptop?

 

Thanks,

Richard


moderated jaws 2021 and Zoom

Rebecca Ilniski
 

Hi everyone.  For some reason when I installed Jaws 2021 my notifications in Zoom no longer read when someone comes online and so forth.  How can I fix this issue?  I have my setting to all speech when I’m on zoom and the notifications are checked.  Thanks.

 

Rebecca Ilniski and guide dog Marvin

Email: rilniski@...

Twitter: applegirl1994

 


moderated Re: Free word processors

JM Casey
 

It does. But I guess questioning whether, for instance, complicated formatting done with libre will translate effectively to MS when someone accesses your documents using the more commercial product is a fair question, and it’s one I don’t really know the answer to. For most people though, I don’t *think* it’d be a problem.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: December 2, 2020 12:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

LibreOffice supports all MS-Office file formats natively.  No conversions are necessary, and it can save in those formats natively, too.

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moderated Re: Free word processors

Glenn / Lenny
 


Yeah, I've never experienced sluggishness either, and I haven't made any changes with it.
Maybe it's something in the most recent Libra, as mine is not updated.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Hill
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: Free word processors

You might want to check to make sure accessibility is set right in libre-ofice.  I'm not having the issues you mention about sluggishness or something strange being spoken after character movement.  There is an accessibility section under tools/options, the first checkbox probably needs checked.



On 12/2/2020 09:53, Richard Turner wrote:

Two things.

I’m pasting the link to the help documentation online so you can read through its offerings.

 

Also, it is very sluggish with both Jaws and NVDA.  There is a dealy after each character when you arrow over it or when you type.

If I had to depend on this for all my Office type needs, I think this would get frustrating.

 

Are there scripts or settings that can be changed to help this?

Here is the help link:

Start Center (libreoffice.org)

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 7:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

I went to the Libreoffice site but could not find out just what is included in this suite. I know it has word processing but what other aps are included?

Thanks, Marie

 

 

From: David Goldfield

Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 5:25 AM

Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

Hi. OpenOffice and LibreOffice are very similar and they may appear identical on the surface, especially for users of screen readers. However, OpenOffice has a very slow development cycle. LibreOffice receives many more updates and feature additions and should offer even better compatibility with more complex Office files. Therefore, I highly recommend LibreOffice over OpenOffice.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
 
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 12/2/2020 8:18 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

I would not depend on Google Docs. Open Office works fine until someone can get Word.I am not sure about the other one that has been mentioned Libre or something like that.

Richard

 

"You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young."

"Why, what did she tell you?"

"I don't know, I didn't listen."

-- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy



On Dec 2, 2020, at 2:02 AM, David Griffith mailto:daj.griffith@... wrote:



I have never used Google Docs precisely because of this problem but apparently checking on Google last week there are instructions for using Google docs offline. As far as I can see though this is certainly not the default and ironically you need to be online to make this setting change. So I imagine that if, for example, your Wi-Fi suddenly goes down you may indeed be locked out of all your documents.

Someone  who actually uses Google Docs may be able to comment definitely  on this though.

David G.

 

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From: Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: 02 December 2020 09:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

Hi, Ann,

This was such a great question. I know someone who needs a different wordprocessor until they can get MS Word again.

Someone suggested Google Docs. A month or two ago, I would not have recommended it. However, this was because I never had any luck with it. I was wondering, what if someone is not always near a WI-FI connection, will Google Docs still work, or would another program work better? I'm just curious.

 

Sincerely,

Jasmine

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of ann

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 2:59 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Free word processors

 

                Hi everyone,

 

With all the latest talk about Jarte, and how it may be going away eventually due to lack of development, I was wondering what other free word processors work well with Jaws? How about Open Office or Libre Office?

 

Any other suggestions?

 

~Ann

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


moderated Re: Free word processors

Richard Turner
 

Hello all,

My last comment on this is that for me, and again, just for me, Office is amazingly snappy, but LibreOffice, even using its own format with a fresh document, is sluggish.

So, if I need it to open and convert an old file type or something, but I personally cannot recommend it based on my experience.

Open Office actually was snappier, but as David pointed out, it is no longer being developed now that LibreOffice is the focus of that project.

 

I will drop them some feedback but this is no big deal to me, I was just checking it out.

I’m done now.

 

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 9:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

LibreOffice supports all MS-Office file formats natively.  No conversions are necessary, and it can save in those formats natively, too.

--

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One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: excel with jaws

Van Lant, Robin
 

I can replicate what you are talking about.  If a group of cells with content is selected and then I hit either Control key, Excel opens some sort of small pop-up with options in it.  I hear JAWS say, ”Tab‑ Analysis Lens Formatting Tab‑ selected range”.  If you hit escape, the pop-up goes away, still leaving the cells selected, and you can do what you needed to do.  I only get this if I press Control alone. If I press Control and Shift together or another command that requires the Control plus another key, it does not occur. 

 

Hope this helps.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of romance's prince via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 1:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: excel with jaws

 

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hi Chris
for example when selecting cells we press CTRL+SHIFT+Down errow
once i live them excel open quick analysis page
also when i'm in chart object CTRL used to open chart toolpar
so when click CTRL + another key mostly open toolpar.
i'm using excel 2016 and jaws 2019
  thanks

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moderated Re: Free word processors

 

LibreOffice supports all MS-Office file formats natively.  No conversions are necessary, and it can save in those formats natively, too.

--

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One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

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moderated Re: Free word processors

Chris Hill
 

Interesting.  Wonder if you have something going on with display drivers or some such.  To me, programs other than Microsoft Office aren't going to get the speech support, and if you've have to deal with files from ms office, you'd better stick with it.  Nothing is more miserable than a botched file conversion, and you never know how good conversions will actually be.  I have found that Libreoffice and other programs are useful when you hit files that MS doesn't bother supporting anymore.  I found a .wri file a while back, and MS wouldn't read it even though it came from old Windows Write.  I used either Openoffice or Libreoffice and it had no trouble.



On 12/2/2020 10:51, Richard Turner wrote:

Well, with Jaws 2021 the menus read fine.

However, in case you didn’t know, the “Support assistive technology tools (program restart required) check box‑ checked‑ “  checks itself apparently when it detects a screen reader.

I tried unchecking it, applying the changes, hitting OK and restarting LibreOffice to see if it made a difference and since it made no difference, I checked again and low and behold, it was checked again without my doing anything.

 

Conclusion, my system doesn’t like LibreOffice.

It certainly isn’t unusable, and if I need something other than Microsoft Office for a CSV file format or something, I will use this, but for me, it would never replace Microsoft Office.  But, I am glad it is there for those who cannot afford Microsoft’s products.

 

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 8:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

Aha..so there is. I had forgotten about that. That still doesn’t make old JFW versions read the menus, but hey…yeah, make sure that’s checked.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: December 2, 2020 11:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

You might want to check to make sure accessibility is set right in libre-ofice.  I'm not having the issues you mention about sluggishness or something strange being spoken after character movement.  There is an accessibility section under tools/options, the first checkbox probably needs checked.

 

 

On 12/2/2020 09:53, Richard Turner wrote:

Two things.

I’m pasting the link to the help documentation online so you can read through its offerings.

 

Also, it is very sluggish with both Jaws and NVDA.  There is a dealy after each character when you arrow over it or when you type.

If I had to depend on this for all my Office type needs, I think this would get frustrating.

 

Are there scripts or settings that can be changed to help this?

Here is the help link:

Start Center (libreoffice.org)

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 7:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

I went to the Libreoffice site but could not find out just what is included in this suite. I know it has word processing but what other aps are included?

Thanks, Marie

 

 

From: David Goldfield

Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 5:25 AM

Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

Hi. OpenOffice and LibreOffice are very similar and they may appear identical on the surface, especially for users of screen readers. However, OpenOffice has a very slow development cycle. LibreOffice receives many more updates and feature additions and should offer even better compatibility with more complex Office files. Therefore, I highly recommend LibreOffice over OpenOffice.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
 
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 12/2/2020 8:18 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

I would not depend on Google Docs. Open Office works fine until someone can get Word.I am not sure about the other one that has been mentioned Libre or something like that.

Richard

 

"You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young."

"Why, what did she tell you?"

"I don't know, I didn't listen."

-- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy

 

On Dec 2, 2020, at 2:02 AM, David Griffith mailto:daj.griffith@... wrote:



I have never used Google Docs precisely because of this problem but apparently checking on Google last week there are instructions for using Google docs offline. As far as I can see though this is certainly not the default and ironically you need to be online to make this setting change. So I imagine that if, for example, your Wi-Fi suddenly goes down you may indeed be locked out of all your documents.

Someone  who actually uses Google Docs may be able to comment definitely  on this though.

David G.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: 02 December 2020 09:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

Hi, Ann,

This was such a great question. I know someone who needs a different wordprocessor until they can get MS Word again.

Someone suggested Google Docs. A month or two ago, I would not have recommended it. However, this was because I never had any luck with it. I was wondering, what if someone is not always near a WI-FI connection, will Google Docs still work, or would another program work better? I'm just curious.

 

Sincerely,

Jasmine

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of ann

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 2:59 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Free word processors

 

                Hi everyone,

 

With all the latest talk about Jarte, and how it may be going away eventually due to lack of development, I was wondering what other free word processors work well with Jaws? How about Open Office or Libre Office?

 

Any other suggestions?

 

~Ann

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


moderated Re: Free word processors

Richard Turner
 

Well, with Jaws 2021 the menus read fine.

However, in case you didn’t know, the “Support assistive technology tools (program restart required) check box‑ checked‑ “  checks itself apparently when it detects a screen reader.

I tried unchecking it, applying the changes, hitting OK and restarting LibreOffice to see if it made a difference and since it made no difference, I checked again and low and behold, it was checked again without my doing anything.

 

Conclusion, my system doesn’t like LibreOffice.

It certainly isn’t unusable, and if I need something other than Microsoft Office for a CSV file format or something, I will use this, but for me, it would never replace Microsoft Office.  But, I am glad it is there for those who cannot afford Microsoft’s products.

 

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 8:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

Aha..so there is. I had forgotten about that. That still doesn’t make old JFW versions read the menus, but hey…yeah, make sure that’s checked.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: December 2, 2020 11:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

You might want to check to make sure accessibility is set right in libre-ofice.  I'm not having the issues you mention about sluggishness or something strange being spoken after character movement.  There is an accessibility section under tools/options, the first checkbox probably needs checked.

 

 

On 12/2/2020 09:53, Richard Turner wrote:

Two things.

I’m pasting the link to the help documentation online so you can read through its offerings.

 

Also, it is very sluggish with both Jaws and NVDA.  There is a dealy after each character when you arrow over it or when you type.

If I had to depend on this for all my Office type needs, I think this would get frustrating.

 

Are there scripts or settings that can be changed to help this?

Here is the help link:

Start Center (libreoffice.org)

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 7:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

I went to the Libreoffice site but could not find out just what is included in this suite. I know it has word processing but what other aps are included?

Thanks, Marie

 

 

From: David Goldfield

Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 5:25 AM

Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

Hi. OpenOffice and LibreOffice are very similar and they may appear identical on the surface, especially for users of screen readers. However, OpenOffice has a very slow development cycle. LibreOffice receives many more updates and feature additions and should offer even better compatibility with more complex Office files. Therefore, I highly recommend LibreOffice over OpenOffice.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
 
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 12/2/2020 8:18 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

I would not depend on Google Docs. Open Office works fine until someone can get Word.I am not sure about the other one that has been mentioned Libre or something like that.

Richard

 

"You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young."

"Why, what did she tell you?"

"I don't know, I didn't listen."

-- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy

 

On Dec 2, 2020, at 2:02 AM, David Griffith mailto:daj.griffith@... wrote:



I have never used Google Docs precisely because of this problem but apparently checking on Google last week there are instructions for using Google docs offline. As far as I can see though this is certainly not the default and ironically you need to be online to make this setting change. So I imagine that if, for example, your Wi-Fi suddenly goes down you may indeed be locked out of all your documents.

Someone  who actually uses Google Docs may be able to comment definitely  on this though.

David G.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: 02 December 2020 09:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

Hi, Ann,

This was such a great question. I know someone who needs a different wordprocessor until they can get MS Word again.

Someone suggested Google Docs. A month or two ago, I would not have recommended it. However, this was because I never had any luck with it. I was wondering, what if someone is not always near a WI-FI connection, will Google Docs still work, or would another program work better? I'm just curious.

 

Sincerely,

Jasmine

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of ann

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 2:59 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Free word processors

 

                Hi everyone,

 

With all the latest talk about Jarte, and how it may be going away eventually due to lack of development, I was wondering what other free word processors work well with Jaws? How about Open Office or Libre Office?

 

Any other suggestions?

 

~Ann

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


moderated Re: Free word processors

JM Casey
 

Aha..so there is. I had forgotten about that. That still doesn’t make old JFW versions read the menus, but hey…yeah, make sure that’s checked.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: December 2, 2020 11:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

You might want to check to make sure accessibility is set right in libre-ofice.  I'm not having the issues you mention about sluggishness or something strange being spoken after character movement.  There is an accessibility section under tools/options, the first checkbox probably needs checked.

 

 

On 12/2/2020 09:53, Richard Turner wrote:

Two things.

I’m pasting the link to the help documentation online so you can read through its offerings.

 

Also, it is very sluggish with both Jaws and NVDA.  There is a dealy after each character when you arrow over it or when you type.

If I had to depend on this for all my Office type needs, I think this would get frustrating.

 

Are there scripts or settings that can be changed to help this?

Here is the help link:

Start Center (libreoffice.org)

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 7:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

I went to the Libreoffice site but could not find out just what is included in this suite. I know it has word processing but what other aps are included?

Thanks, Marie

 

 

From: David Goldfield

Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 5:25 AM

Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

Hi. OpenOffice and LibreOffice are very similar and they may appear identical on the surface, especially for users of screen readers. However, OpenOffice has a very slow development cycle. LibreOffice receives many more updates and feature additions and should offer even better compatibility with more complex Office files. Therefore, I highly recommend LibreOffice over OpenOffice.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
 
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 12/2/2020 8:18 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

I would not depend on Google Docs. Open Office works fine until someone can get Word.I am not sure about the other one that has been mentioned Libre or something like that.

Richard

 

"You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young."

"Why, what did she tell you?"

"I don't know, I didn't listen."

-- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy

 

On Dec 2, 2020, at 2:02 AM, David Griffith mailto:daj.griffith@... wrote:



I have never used Google Docs precisely because of this problem but apparently checking on Google last week there are instructions for using Google docs offline. As far as I can see though this is certainly not the default and ironically you need to be online to make this setting change. So I imagine that if, for example, your Wi-Fi suddenly goes down you may indeed be locked out of all your documents.

Someone  who actually uses Google Docs may be able to comment definitely  on this though.

David G.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: 02 December 2020 09:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

Hi, Ann,

This was such a great question. I know someone who needs a different wordprocessor until they can get MS Word again.

Someone suggested Google Docs. A month or two ago, I would not have recommended it. However, this was because I never had any luck with it. I was wondering, what if someone is not always near a WI-FI connection, will Google Docs still work, or would another program work better? I'm just curious.

 

Sincerely,

Jasmine

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of ann

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 2:59 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Free word processors

 

                Hi everyone,

 

With all the latest talk about Jarte, and how it may be going away eventually due to lack of development, I was wondering what other free word processors work well with Jaws? How about Open Office or Libre Office?

 

Any other suggestions?

 

~Ann

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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