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moderated What is an accessible download "speed test" website?

Richard B. McDonald
 

Hi!

 

I need to confirm the speed at which my Internet connection is able to download.  I am familiar with certain “speed test” websites for that purpose, but which is an accessible website for this?

 

Also, on a technical point, if I am on my WiFi and do this, is the test result 1) between the Internet and my WiFi router or 2) between the Internet and my laptop via the WiFi?  Is it better to plug-in my laptop into the router via an ethernet cable to do this test so as to make the test the “1” situation?  In considering the “2” situation, generally, what is a WiFi’s speed (assuming 4/4 signal strength bars) between the router and my laptop?

 

Thanks,

Richard


moderated jaws 2021 and Zoom

Rebecca Ilniski
 

Hi everyone.  For some reason when I installed Jaws 2021 my notifications in Zoom no longer read when someone comes online and so forth.  How can I fix this issue?  I have my setting to all speech when I’m on zoom and the notifications are checked.  Thanks.

 

Rebecca Ilniski and guide dog Marvin

Email: rilniski@...

Twitter: applegirl1994

 


moderated Re: Free word processors

JM Casey
 

It does. But I guess questioning whether, for instance, complicated formatting done with libre will translate effectively to MS when someone accesses your documents using the more commercial product is a fair question, and it’s one I don’t really know the answer to. For most people though, I don’t *think* it’d be a problem.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: December 2, 2020 12:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

LibreOffice supports all MS-Office file formats natively.  No conversions are necessary, and it can save in those formats natively, too.

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moderated Re: Free word processors

Glenn / Lenny
 


Yeah, I've never experienced sluggishness either, and I haven't made any changes with it.
Maybe it's something in the most recent Libra, as mine is not updated.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Hill
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: Free word processors

You might want to check to make sure accessibility is set right in libre-ofice.  I'm not having the issues you mention about sluggishness or something strange being spoken after character movement.  There is an accessibility section under tools/options, the first checkbox probably needs checked.



On 12/2/2020 09:53, Richard Turner wrote:

Two things.

I’m pasting the link to the help documentation online so you can read through its offerings.

 

Also, it is very sluggish with both Jaws and NVDA.  There is a dealy after each character when you arrow over it or when you type.

If I had to depend on this for all my Office type needs, I think this would get frustrating.

 

Are there scripts or settings that can be changed to help this?

Here is the help link:

Start Center (libreoffice.org)

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 7:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

I went to the Libreoffice site but could not find out just what is included in this suite. I know it has word processing but what other aps are included?

Thanks, Marie

 

 

From: David Goldfield

Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 5:25 AM

Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

Hi. OpenOffice and LibreOffice are very similar and they may appear identical on the surface, especially for users of screen readers. However, OpenOffice has a very slow development cycle. LibreOffice receives many more updates and feature additions and should offer even better compatibility with more complex Office files. Therefore, I highly recommend LibreOffice over OpenOffice.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
 
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 12/2/2020 8:18 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

I would not depend on Google Docs. Open Office works fine until someone can get Word.I am not sure about the other one that has been mentioned Libre or something like that.

Richard

 

"You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young."

"Why, what did she tell you?"

"I don't know, I didn't listen."

-- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy



On Dec 2, 2020, at 2:02 AM, David Griffith mailto:daj.griffith@... wrote:



I have never used Google Docs precisely because of this problem but apparently checking on Google last week there are instructions for using Google docs offline. As far as I can see though this is certainly not the default and ironically you need to be online to make this setting change. So I imagine that if, for example, your Wi-Fi suddenly goes down you may indeed be locked out of all your documents.

Someone  who actually uses Google Docs may be able to comment definitely  on this though.

David G.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: 02 December 2020 09:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

Hi, Ann,

This was such a great question. I know someone who needs a different wordprocessor until they can get MS Word again.

Someone suggested Google Docs. A month or two ago, I would not have recommended it. However, this was because I never had any luck with it. I was wondering, what if someone is not always near a WI-FI connection, will Google Docs still work, or would another program work better? I'm just curious.

 

Sincerely,

Jasmine

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of ann

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 2:59 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Free word processors

 

                Hi everyone,

 

With all the latest talk about Jarte, and how it may be going away eventually due to lack of development, I was wondering what other free word processors work well with Jaws? How about Open Office or Libre Office?

 

Any other suggestions?

 

~Ann

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


moderated Re: Free word processors

Richard Turner
 

Hello all,

My last comment on this is that for me, and again, just for me, Office is amazingly snappy, but LibreOffice, even using its own format with a fresh document, is sluggish.

So, if I need it to open and convert an old file type or something, but I personally cannot recommend it based on my experience.

Open Office actually was snappier, but as David pointed out, it is no longer being developed now that LibreOffice is the focus of that project.

 

I will drop them some feedback but this is no big deal to me, I was just checking it out.

I’m done now.

 

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 9:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

LibreOffice supports all MS-Office file formats natively.  No conversions are necessary, and it can save in those formats natively, too.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: excel with jaws

Van Lant, Robin
 

I can replicate what you are talking about.  If a group of cells with content is selected and then I hit either Control key, Excel opens some sort of small pop-up with options in it.  I hear JAWS say, ”Tab‑ Analysis Lens Formatting Tab‑ selected range”.  If you hit escape, the pop-up goes away, still leaving the cells selected, and you can do what you needed to do.  I only get this if I press Control alone. If I press Control and Shift together or another command that requires the Control plus another key, it does not occur. 

 

Hope this helps.

 

 

 

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Subject: Re: excel with jaws

 

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moderated Re: Free word processors

 

LibreOffice supports all MS-Office file formats natively.  No conversions are necessary, and it can save in those formats natively, too.

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moderated Re: Free word processors

Chris Hill
 

Interesting.  Wonder if you have something going on with display drivers or some such.  To me, programs other than Microsoft Office aren't going to get the speech support, and if you've have to deal with files from ms office, you'd better stick with it.  Nothing is more miserable than a botched file conversion, and you never know how good conversions will actually be.  I have found that Libreoffice and other programs are useful when you hit files that MS doesn't bother supporting anymore.  I found a .wri file a while back, and MS wouldn't read it even though it came from old Windows Write.  I used either Openoffice or Libreoffice and it had no trouble.



On 12/2/2020 10:51, Richard Turner wrote:

Well, with Jaws 2021 the menus read fine.

However, in case you didn’t know, the “Support assistive technology tools (program restart required) check box‑ checked‑ “  checks itself apparently when it detects a screen reader.

I tried unchecking it, applying the changes, hitting OK and restarting LibreOffice to see if it made a difference and since it made no difference, I checked again and low and behold, it was checked again without my doing anything.

 

Conclusion, my system doesn’t like LibreOffice.

It certainly isn’t unusable, and if I need something other than Microsoft Office for a CSV file format or something, I will use this, but for me, it would never replace Microsoft Office.  But, I am glad it is there for those who cannot afford Microsoft’s products.

 

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 8:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

Aha..so there is. I had forgotten about that. That still doesn’t make old JFW versions read the menus, but hey…yeah, make sure that’s checked.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: December 2, 2020 11:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

You might want to check to make sure accessibility is set right in libre-ofice.  I'm not having the issues you mention about sluggishness or something strange being spoken after character movement.  There is an accessibility section under tools/options, the first checkbox probably needs checked.

 

 

On 12/2/2020 09:53, Richard Turner wrote:

Two things.

I’m pasting the link to the help documentation online so you can read through its offerings.

 

Also, it is very sluggish with both Jaws and NVDA.  There is a dealy after each character when you arrow over it or when you type.

If I had to depend on this for all my Office type needs, I think this would get frustrating.

 

Are there scripts or settings that can be changed to help this?

Here is the help link:

Start Center (libreoffice.org)

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 7:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

I went to the Libreoffice site but could not find out just what is included in this suite. I know it has word processing but what other aps are included?

Thanks, Marie

 

 

From: David Goldfield

Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 5:25 AM

Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

Hi. OpenOffice and LibreOffice are very similar and they may appear identical on the surface, especially for users of screen readers. However, OpenOffice has a very slow development cycle. LibreOffice receives many more updates and feature additions and should offer even better compatibility with more complex Office files. Therefore, I highly recommend LibreOffice over OpenOffice.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
 
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 12/2/2020 8:18 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

I would not depend on Google Docs. Open Office works fine until someone can get Word.I am not sure about the other one that has been mentioned Libre or something like that.

Richard

 

"You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young."

"Why, what did she tell you?"

"I don't know, I didn't listen."

-- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy

 

On Dec 2, 2020, at 2:02 AM, David Griffith mailto:daj.griffith@... wrote:



I have never used Google Docs precisely because of this problem but apparently checking on Google last week there are instructions for using Google docs offline. As far as I can see though this is certainly not the default and ironically you need to be online to make this setting change. So I imagine that if, for example, your Wi-Fi suddenly goes down you may indeed be locked out of all your documents.

Someone  who actually uses Google Docs may be able to comment definitely  on this though.

David G.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: 02 December 2020 09:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

Hi, Ann,

This was such a great question. I know someone who needs a different wordprocessor until they can get MS Word again.

Someone suggested Google Docs. A month or two ago, I would not have recommended it. However, this was because I never had any luck with it. I was wondering, what if someone is not always near a WI-FI connection, will Google Docs still work, or would another program work better? I'm just curious.

 

Sincerely,

Jasmine

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of ann

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 2:59 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Free word processors

 

                Hi everyone,

 

With all the latest talk about Jarte, and how it may be going away eventually due to lack of development, I was wondering what other free word processors work well with Jaws? How about Open Office or Libre Office?

 

Any other suggestions?

 

~Ann

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


moderated Re: Free word processors

Richard Turner
 

Well, with Jaws 2021 the menus read fine.

However, in case you didn’t know, the “Support assistive technology tools (program restart required) check box‑ checked‑ “  checks itself apparently when it detects a screen reader.

I tried unchecking it, applying the changes, hitting OK and restarting LibreOffice to see if it made a difference and since it made no difference, I checked again and low and behold, it was checked again without my doing anything.

 

Conclusion, my system doesn’t like LibreOffice.

It certainly isn’t unusable, and if I need something other than Microsoft Office for a CSV file format or something, I will use this, but for me, it would never replace Microsoft Office.  But, I am glad it is there for those who cannot afford Microsoft’s products.

 

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 8:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

Aha..so there is. I had forgotten about that. That still doesn’t make old JFW versions read the menus, but hey…yeah, make sure that’s checked.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: December 2, 2020 11:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

You might want to check to make sure accessibility is set right in libre-ofice.  I'm not having the issues you mention about sluggishness or something strange being spoken after character movement.  There is an accessibility section under tools/options, the first checkbox probably needs checked.

 

 

On 12/2/2020 09:53, Richard Turner wrote:

Two things.

I’m pasting the link to the help documentation online so you can read through its offerings.

 

Also, it is very sluggish with both Jaws and NVDA.  There is a dealy after each character when you arrow over it or when you type.

If I had to depend on this for all my Office type needs, I think this would get frustrating.

 

Are there scripts or settings that can be changed to help this?

Here is the help link:

Start Center (libreoffice.org)

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 7:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

I went to the Libreoffice site but could not find out just what is included in this suite. I know it has word processing but what other aps are included?

Thanks, Marie

 

 

From: David Goldfield

Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 5:25 AM

Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

Hi. OpenOffice and LibreOffice are very similar and they may appear identical on the surface, especially for users of screen readers. However, OpenOffice has a very slow development cycle. LibreOffice receives many more updates and feature additions and should offer even better compatibility with more complex Office files. Therefore, I highly recommend LibreOffice over OpenOffice.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
 
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 12/2/2020 8:18 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

I would not depend on Google Docs. Open Office works fine until someone can get Word.I am not sure about the other one that has been mentioned Libre or something like that.

Richard

 

"You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young."

"Why, what did she tell you?"

"I don't know, I didn't listen."

-- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy

 

On Dec 2, 2020, at 2:02 AM, David Griffith mailto:daj.griffith@... wrote:



I have never used Google Docs precisely because of this problem but apparently checking on Google last week there are instructions for using Google docs offline. As far as I can see though this is certainly not the default and ironically you need to be online to make this setting change. So I imagine that if, for example, your Wi-Fi suddenly goes down you may indeed be locked out of all your documents.

Someone  who actually uses Google Docs may be able to comment definitely  on this though.

David G.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: 02 December 2020 09:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

Hi, Ann,

This was such a great question. I know someone who needs a different wordprocessor until they can get MS Word again.

Someone suggested Google Docs. A month or two ago, I would not have recommended it. However, this was because I never had any luck with it. I was wondering, what if someone is not always near a WI-FI connection, will Google Docs still work, or would another program work better? I'm just curious.

 

Sincerely,

Jasmine

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of ann

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 2:59 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Free word processors

 

                Hi everyone,

 

With all the latest talk about Jarte, and how it may be going away eventually due to lack of development, I was wondering what other free word processors work well with Jaws? How about Open Office or Libre Office?

 

Any other suggestions?

 

~Ann

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


moderated Re: Free word processors

JM Casey
 

Aha..so there is. I had forgotten about that. That still doesn’t make old JFW versions read the menus, but hey…yeah, make sure that’s checked.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: December 2, 2020 11:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

You might want to check to make sure accessibility is set right in libre-ofice.  I'm not having the issues you mention about sluggishness or something strange being spoken after character movement.  There is an accessibility section under tools/options, the first checkbox probably needs checked.

 

 

On 12/2/2020 09:53, Richard Turner wrote:

Two things.

I’m pasting the link to the help documentation online so you can read through its offerings.

 

Also, it is very sluggish with both Jaws and NVDA.  There is a dealy after each character when you arrow over it or when you type.

If I had to depend on this for all my Office type needs, I think this would get frustrating.

 

Are there scripts or settings that can be changed to help this?

Here is the help link:

Start Center (libreoffice.org)

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 7:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

I went to the Libreoffice site but could not find out just what is included in this suite. I know it has word processing but what other aps are included?

Thanks, Marie

 

 

From: David Goldfield

Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 5:25 AM

Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

Hi. OpenOffice and LibreOffice are very similar and they may appear identical on the surface, especially for users of screen readers. However, OpenOffice has a very slow development cycle. LibreOffice receives many more updates and feature additions and should offer even better compatibility with more complex Office files. Therefore, I highly recommend LibreOffice over OpenOffice.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
 
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 12/2/2020 8:18 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

I would not depend on Google Docs. Open Office works fine until someone can get Word.I am not sure about the other one that has been mentioned Libre or something like that.

Richard

 

"You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young."

"Why, what did she tell you?"

"I don't know, I didn't listen."

-- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy

 

On Dec 2, 2020, at 2:02 AM, David Griffith mailto:daj.griffith@... wrote:



I have never used Google Docs precisely because of this problem but apparently checking on Google last week there are instructions for using Google docs offline. As far as I can see though this is certainly not the default and ironically you need to be online to make this setting change. So I imagine that if, for example, your Wi-Fi suddenly goes down you may indeed be locked out of all your documents.

Someone  who actually uses Google Docs may be able to comment definitely  on this though.

David G.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: 02 December 2020 09:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

Hi, Ann,

This was such a great question. I know someone who needs a different wordprocessor until they can get MS Word again.

Someone suggested Google Docs. A month or two ago, I would not have recommended it. However, this was because I never had any luck with it. I was wondering, what if someone is not always near a WI-FI connection, will Google Docs still work, or would another program work better? I'm just curious.

 

Sincerely,

Jasmine

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of ann

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 2:59 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Free word processors

 

                Hi everyone,

 

With all the latest talk about Jarte, and how it may be going away eventually due to lack of development, I was wondering what other free word processors work well with Jaws? How about Open Office or Libre Office?

 

Any other suggestions?

 

~Ann

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


moderated Re: Free word processors

JM Casey
 

I don’t know what this sluggishness might be dependent upon, but the experience you report is not mine. I do not remember modifying any settings in particular. I find Libre to be snappier than mS office, but that doesn’t really make it better as there are other factors to consider as well. Still, speed in responsiveness has never been an issue for me. To verify, I just opened up Libre Writer with first jaws and then nVDA. No complaints about speed, but using JAWS 2018 at least, the menus are not read without using the JAWS cursor, which is a pain. This is not the case with NVDA, and I *think* Freedom scientific may have fixe this in the newer/latest JFW versions most of you are using.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: December 2, 2020 10:53 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

Two things.

I’m pasting the link to the help documentation online so you can read through its offerings.

 

Also, it is very sluggish with both Jaws and NVDA.  There is a dealy after each character when you arrow over it or when you type.

If I had to depend on this for all my Office type needs, I think this would get frustrating.

 

Are there scripts or settings that can be changed to help this?

Here is the help link:

Start Center (libreoffice.org)

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 7:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

I went to the Libreoffice site but could not find out just what is included in this suite. I know it has word processing but what other aps are included?

Thanks, Marie

 

 

From: David Goldfield

Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 5:25 AM

Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

Hi. OpenOffice and LibreOffice are very similar and they may appear identical on the surface, especially for users of screen readers. However, OpenOffice has a very slow development cycle. LibreOffice receives many more updates and feature additions and should offer even better compatibility with more complex Office files. Therefore, I highly recommend LibreOffice over OpenOffice.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
 
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 12/2/2020 8:18 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

I would not depend on Google Docs. Open Office works fine until someone can get Word.I am not sure about the other one that has been mentioned Libre or something like that.

Richard

 

"You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young."

"Why, what did she tell you?"

"I don't know, I didn't listen."

-- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy

 

On Dec 2, 2020, at 2:02 AM, David Griffith mailto:daj.griffith@... wrote:



I have never used Google Docs precisely because of this problem but apparently checking on Google last week there are instructions for using Google docs offline. As far as I can see though this is certainly not the default and ironically you need to be online to make this setting change. So I imagine that if, for example, your Wi-Fi suddenly goes down you may indeed be locked out of all your documents.

Someone  who actually uses Google Docs may be able to comment definitely  on this though.

David G.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: 02 December 2020 09:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

Hi, Ann,

This was such a great question. I know someone who needs a different wordprocessor until they can get MS Word again.

Someone suggested Google Docs. A month or two ago, I would not have recommended it. However, this was because I never had any luck with it. I was wondering, what if someone is not always near a WI-FI connection, will Google Docs still work, or would another program work better? I'm just curious.

 

Sincerely,

Jasmine

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of ann

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 2:59 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Free word processors

 

                Hi everyone,

 

With all the latest talk about Jarte, and how it may be going away eventually due to lack of development, I was wondering what other free word processors work well with Jaws? How about Open Office or Libre Office?

 

Any other suggestions?

 

~Ann

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


moderated Re: Free word processors

Chris Hill
 

You might want to check to make sure accessibility is set right in libre-ofice.  I'm not having the issues you mention about sluggishness or something strange being spoken after character movement.  There is an accessibility section under tools/options, the first checkbox probably needs checked.



On 12/2/2020 09:53, Richard Turner wrote:

Two things.

I’m pasting the link to the help documentation online so you can read through its offerings.

 

Also, it is very sluggish with both Jaws and NVDA.  There is a dealy after each character when you arrow over it or when you type.

If I had to depend on this for all my Office type needs, I think this would get frustrating.

 

Are there scripts or settings that can be changed to help this?

Here is the help link:

Start Center (libreoffice.org)

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 7:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

I went to the Libreoffice site but could not find out just what is included in this suite. I know it has word processing but what other aps are included?

Thanks, Marie

 

 

From: David Goldfield

Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 5:25 AM

Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

Hi. OpenOffice and LibreOffice are very similar and they may appear identical on the surface, especially for users of screen readers. However, OpenOffice has a very slow development cycle. LibreOffice receives many more updates and feature additions and should offer even better compatibility with more complex Office files. Therefore, I highly recommend LibreOffice over OpenOffice.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
 
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 12/2/2020 8:18 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

I would not depend on Google Docs. Open Office works fine until someone can get Word.I am not sure about the other one that has been mentioned Libre or something like that.

Richard

 

"You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young."

"Why, what did she tell you?"

"I don't know, I didn't listen."

-- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy



On Dec 2, 2020, at 2:02 AM, David Griffith mailto:daj.griffith@... wrote:



I have never used Google Docs precisely because of this problem but apparently checking on Google last week there are instructions for using Google docs offline. As far as I can see though this is certainly not the default and ironically you need to be online to make this setting change. So I imagine that if, for example, your Wi-Fi suddenly goes down you may indeed be locked out of all your documents.

Someone  who actually uses Google Docs may be able to comment definitely  on this though.

David G.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: 02 December 2020 09:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

Hi, Ann,

This was such a great question. I know someone who needs a different wordprocessor until they can get MS Word again.

Someone suggested Google Docs. A month or two ago, I would not have recommended it. However, this was because I never had any luck with it. I was wondering, what if someone is not always near a WI-FI connection, will Google Docs still work, or would another program work better? I'm just curious.

 

Sincerely,

Jasmine

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of ann

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 2:59 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Free word processors

 

                Hi everyone,

 

With all the latest talk about Jarte, and how it may be going away eventually due to lack of development, I was wondering what other free word processors work well with Jaws? How about Open Office or Libre Office?

 

Any other suggestions?

 

~Ann

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


moderated Re: A thank you letter.

 

Have you checked which version of Edge you have? Seems like everybody else wh o has tried this given the bank address you provided has no problem finding the submit button.
In any case, have you tried to simply press enter after entering your password, don't exit forms mode, just put in your user Id, tab and put in your password and then press enter.
In many cases this will submit the information although not in all.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Kolesar
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 8:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: A thank you letter.

I was able to talk to a operator at the bank today.
It is looking like it is at their end.
I am working with them to fix the issue.
But for now I have a work around for accessing my account.
Again, I deeply appreciate everyone's help in this matter.
Ron who can earn a license to use a radio but for some strange reason can't be trusted to earn a license to drive a car.
Ron KR3DOG

In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best Regards and or Best Whishes,From Ron Kolesar Volunteer Certified Licensed Emergency Communications Station And Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham Radio Station With the Call Sign of KR3DOG Who's now also Ares and NIMS Certified as well


moderated Re: Free word processors

 

LibreOffice includes the following:
  1. Writer:   Word Processor
  2. Calc:  Spreadsheet
  3. Impress:  Presentations (think PowerPoint)
  4. Base:  Database Manager (think MS-Access)
  5. Draw: Diagram maker
  6. Math:  Mathematical formula editor

The Discover dropdown on the LibreOffice Main Page gets into each of these, and more, in detail
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Asking a edge with jaws question.

 

The first thing I heard Jaws saying when I opened the link for the bank was this:

Alert!
Press Alt+1 for screen-reader mode. Stop this message with Alt+0.

I recently came across another website where I got this message which, by the way, repeats every few seconds. There is also a link for an accessibility statement which is very detailed and comprehensive.

As for the Submit button I can also confirm it's there for me using Edge, I can tab to it or hear/navigate to it using tab or the button quick nav key. Interestingly enough, when you activate this so-called accessible mode, the Login link which is a link on the regular website becomes a button you can find with the button quick nav key, but in this mode pressing enter or spacebar on it did nothing, e.g. I did not get any user name or password field and I even tried clicking on it with the left mouse button with no effect. After going out of screenreader mode with Alt + 0 login became a link again and pressing enter on it made the user Id and password fields show ut. Below is Jaws speech history:I could

LOGIN ID Edit
test
Type in text.
PASSWORD password edit 
••••••••
Type in text.
Submit Button

Link Forgot Password? Link Enroll Now

When I press Alt + 1, Jaws says the following:
Screen-reader mode is on, alt+0 to cancel

Accessibility Help & Statement - that is a link where you can read their accessibility information and an email is given for questions.


moderated Re: Free word processors

Richard Turner
 

Two things.

I’m pasting the link to the help documentation online so you can read through its offerings.

 

Also, it is very sluggish with both Jaws and NVDA.  There is a dealy after each character when you arrow over it or when you type.

If I had to depend on this for all my Office type needs, I think this would get frustrating.

 

Are there scripts or settings that can be changed to help this?

Here is the help link:

Start Center (libreoffice.org)

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 7:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

I went to the Libreoffice site but could not find out just what is included in this suite. I know it has word processing but what other aps are included?

Thanks, Marie

 

 

From: David Goldfield

Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 5:25 AM

Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

Hi. OpenOffice and LibreOffice are very similar and they may appear identical on the surface, especially for users of screen readers. However, OpenOffice has a very slow development cycle. LibreOffice receives many more updates and feature additions and should offer even better compatibility with more complex Office files. Therefore, I highly recommend LibreOffice over OpenOffice.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
 
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 12/2/2020 8:18 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

I would not depend on Google Docs. Open Office works fine until someone can get Word.I am not sure about the other one that has been mentioned Libre or something like that.

Richard

 

"You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young."

"Why, what did she tell you?"

"I don't know, I didn't listen."

-- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy



On Dec 2, 2020, at 2:02 AM, David Griffith mailto:daj.griffith@... wrote:



I have never used Google Docs precisely because of this problem but apparently checking on Google last week there are instructions for using Google docs offline. As far as I can see though this is certainly not the default and ironically you need to be online to make this setting change. So I imagine that if, for example, your Wi-Fi suddenly goes down you may indeed be locked out of all your documents.

Someone  who actually uses Google Docs may be able to comment definitely  on this though.

David G.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: 02 December 2020 09:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

Hi, Ann,

This was such a great question. I know someone who needs a different wordprocessor until they can get MS Word again.

Someone suggested Google Docs. A month or two ago, I would not have recommended it. However, this was because I never had any luck with it. I was wondering, what if someone is not always near a WI-FI connection, will Google Docs still work, or would another program work better? I'm just curious.

 

Sincerely,

Jasmine

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of ann

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 2:59 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Free word processors

 

                Hi everyone,

 

With all the latest talk about Jarte, and how it may be going away eventually due to lack of development, I was wondering what other free word processors work well with Jaws? How about Open Office or Libre Office?

 

Any other suggestions?

 

~Ann

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


moderated Re: n v d a discussion list

Norma A. Boge
 

Another NVDA list

Subscribe: NVDAhelp+subscribe@groups.io

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 12:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: n v d a discussion list

 

You can get all you need at:

nvda@nvda.groups.io | Home

The subscription address and posting addrsses are all on that page.

HTH,

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of mike mcglashon
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 10:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: n v d a discussion list

 

Hi guys:

 

I apologize, but I have to ask this on this list;

 

If I recall,

There used to be a n v d a discussion paralleling this one;

Does anyone remember what the address for it is?

I have a n v d a question which I probably am not allowed to ask here;

 

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 


moderated Re: Free word processors

Marie <magpie.mn@...>
 

I went to the Libreoffice site but could not find out just what is included in this suite. I know it has word processing but what other aps are included?
Thanks, Marie
 
 

From: David Goldfield
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 5:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors
 
Hi. OpenOffice and LibreOffice are very similar and they may appear identical on the surface, especially for users of screen readers. However, OpenOffice has a very slow development cycle. LibreOffice receives many more updates and feature additions and should offer even better compatibility with more complex Office files. Therefore, I highly recommend LibreOffice over OpenOffice.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 12/2/2020 8:18 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
I would not depend on Google Docs. Open Office works fine until someone can get Word.I am not sure about the other one that has been mentioned Libre or something like that.

Richard
 
"You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young."
"Why, what did she tell you?"
"I don't know, I didn't listen."
-- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy

On Dec 2, 2020, at 2:02 AM, David Griffith mailto:daj.griffith@... wrote:



I have never used Google Docs precisely because of this problem but apparently checking on Google last week there are instructions for using Google docs offline. As far as I can see though this is certainly not the default and ironically you need to be online to make this setting change. So I imagine that if, for example, your Wi-Fi suddenly goes down you may indeed be locked out of all your documents.

Someone  who actually uses Google Docs may be able to comment definitely  on this though.

David G.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: 02 December 2020 09:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

Hi, Ann,

This was such a great question. I know someone who needs a different wordprocessor until they can get MS Word again.

Someone suggested Google Docs. A month or two ago, I would not have recommended it. However, this was because I never had any luck with it. I was wondering, what if someone is not always near a WI-FI connection, will Google Docs still work, or would another program work better? I'm just curious.

 

Sincerely,

Jasmine

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of ann

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 2:59 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Free word processors

 

                Hi everyone,

 

With all the latest talk about Jarte, and how it may be going away eventually due to lack of development, I was wondering what other free word processors work well with Jaws? How about Open Office or Libre Office?

 

Any other suggestions?

 

~Ann

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



moderated LibreOffice question

Richard Turner
 

At David’s recommendation, I install LibreOffice as an alternative when I might need a different program than the Microsoft Office.

 

Jaws seems rather sluggish after opening a word document.

I checked the Jaws scripts and got this:

IBM Lotus Symphony settings are used in the soffice.bin application.
The configuration name is Symphony.
The current Speech and Sounds Scheme is Classic.

 

Are there any scripts specifically for LibreOffice?

 

 

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 


moderated Re: Free word processors

Richard Turner
 

Thanks to David, I went and looked at the LibreOffice web site. It is the successor to Open Office, according to their site, so yes, go with LibreOffice. Here is the link:

https://www.libreoffice.org/



Richard

"You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young."
"Why, what did she tell you?"
"I don't know, I didn't listen."
-- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy

On Dec 2, 2020, at 5:26 AM, David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...> wrote:

 Hi. OpenOffice and LibreOffice are very similar and they may appear identical on the surface, especially for users of screen readers. However, OpenOffice has a very slow development cycle. LibreOffice receives many more updates and feature additions and should offer even better compatibility with more complex Office files. Therefore, I highly recommend LibreOffice over OpenOffice.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 12/2/2020 8:18 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
I would not depend on Google Docs. Open Office works fine until someone can get Word.I am not sure about the other one that has been mentioned Libre or something like that.

Richard

"You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young."
"Why, what did she tell you?"
"I don't know, I didn't listen."
-- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy

On Dec 2, 2020, at 2:02 AM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@...> wrote:



I have never used Google Docs precisely because of this problem but apparently checking on Google last week there are instructions for using Google docs offline. As far as I can see though this is certainly not the default and ironically you need to be online to make this setting change. So I imagine that if, for example, your Wi-Fi suddenly goes down you may indeed be locked out of all your documents.

Someone  who actually uses Google Docs may be able to comment definitely  on this though.

David G.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: 02 December 2020 09:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

Hi, Ann,

This was such a great question. I know someone who needs a different wordprocessor until they can get MS Word again.

Someone suggested Google Docs. A month or two ago, I would not have recommended it. However, this was because I never had any luck with it. I was wondering, what if someone is not always near a WI-FI connection, will Google Docs still work, or would another program work better? I'm just curious.

 

Sincerely,

Jasmine

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ann

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 2:59 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Free word processors

 

                Hi everyone,

 

With all the latest talk about Jarte, and how it may be going away eventually due to lack of development, I was wondering what other free word processors work well with Jaws? How about Open Office or Libre Office?

 

Any other suggestions?

 

~Ann

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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