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moderated Re: jaws and thunderbird

Don H
 

You hit it. For some reason Enhanced edit was not checked. I did not turn it off but not it is on and edit works as it should in Thunderbird. it but

On 11/28/2020 8:46 AM, David Goldfield wrote:
Two things come to mind. First, I have seen that if TB has been started before JAWS has been loaded cursor navigation commands in messages that you are composing tend not to work as expected. Cursor navigation in messages that you have opened from others are usually not affected.
Secondly, I'm wondering if enhanced editor support in Settings Center needed to be toggled?
David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 11/28/2020 9:39 AM, Don H wrote:
I posted earlier the problem I was having not being able to review what I typed when typing a email message using Jaws 2021 and thunderbird 78.5.0.  The arrow keys would not allow me to review what I had typed. I solved the issue by importing a settings backup I had made a few days ago.  Now the question I have is what setting in Jaws would cause the loss of being able to review what you had typed in thunderbird.






moderated Re: **** [SUSPECTED SPAM] ****Free word processors

David Griffith
 

To be fair the problems I had were some years ago when I was still using Office 2010. 365  and the subscription model did not even exist in those days. However it definitely screwed up my system then and I have to un-install both and reinstall Office 2010 to get proper functionality.

I now have Office subscription but once bitten twice shy and all that.

David G.

 

 

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From: JM Casey
Sent: 28 November 2020 13:11
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: **** [SUSPECTED SPAM] ****Free word processors

 

I have Libre, open and mS offices on this machine and none of them even seem to notice each other. I don’t see any reason why they should. But yeah, there’s probably nothing to lose, in this case…

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: November 28, 2020 08:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: **** [SUSPECTED SPAM] ****Free word processors

 

My own personal recommendation  in relation to Libre Office at least is to download and try  using it as a portable application if you are already running MS Office.

I may be unlucky but in the past when trying to install both on the same system they did not seem to play nice together.

Of course if you are on a machine without Office there is nothing to lose.

David G.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: JM Casey
Sent: 28 November 2020 12:45
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: **** [SUSPECTED SPAM] ****Free word processors

 

Both Libre and Open Office are certainly worth having around. Open office project doesn't seem to be doing too well, development wise, but probably still better than jarte. The writer (word processor) at least works well enough with jFW. Libre office is more of a going concern and I would probably opt for that, though my last experience shows that it works better with nVDA at least than older versions of jAWS (like 2018). However, thought I saw something about libre in a recent Jaws what's new, so maybe some work has been done on FS's end. Libre is also updating very regularly, and it's easy to find loads of keyboard commands online for everything. It can also work with more recent MS Word files.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ann

Sent: November 28, 2020 05:59 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: **** [SUSPECTED SPAM] ****Free word processors

 

                Hi everyone,

 

With all the latest talk about Jarte, and how it may be going away eventually due to lack of development, I was wondering what other free word processors work well with Jaws? How about Open Office or Libre Office?

 

Any other suggestions?

 

~Ann

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


moderated Re: jaws and thunderbird

David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
 

Two things come to mind. First, I have seen that if TB has been started before JAWS has been loaded cursor navigation commands in messages that you are composing tend not to work as expected. Cursor navigation in messages that you have opened from others are usually not affected.
Secondly, I'm wondering if enhanced editor support in Settings Center needed to be toggled?

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 11/28/2020 9:39 AM, Don H wrote:
I posted earlier the problem I was having not being able to review what I typed when typing a email message using Jaws 2021 and thunderbird 78.5.0.  The arrow keys would not allow me to review what I had typed. I solved the issue by importing a settings backup I had made a few days ago.  Now the question I have is what setting in Jaws would cause the loss of being able to review what you had typed in thunderbird.





moderated jaws and thunderbird

Don H
 

I posted earlier the problem I was having not being able to review what I typed when typing a email message using Jaws 2021 and thunderbird 78.5.0. The arrow keys would not allow me to review what I had typed. I solved the issue by importing a settings backup I had made a few days ago. Now the question I have is what setting in Jaws would cause the loss of being able to review what you had typed in thunderbird.


moderated Re: **** [SUSPECTED SPAM] ****Free word processors

Glenn / Lenny
 

I agree, Libra Office is good.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "JM Casey" <jmcasey@teksavvy.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 6:45 AM
Subject: Re: **** [SUSPECTED SPAM] ****Free word processors


Both Libre and Open Office are certainly worth having around. Open office
project doesn't seem to be doing too well, development wise, but probably
still better than jarte. The writer (word processor) at least works well
enough with jFW. Libre office is more of a going concern and I would
probably opt for that, though my last experience shows that it works better
with nVDA at least than older versions of jAWS (like 2018). However, thought
I saw something about libre in a recent Jaws what's new, so maybe some work
has been done on FS's end. Libre is also updating very regularly, and it's
easy to find loads of keyboard commands online for everything. It can also
work with more recent MS Word files.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ann
Sent: November 28, 2020 05:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: **** [SUSPECTED SPAM] ****Free word processors

Hi everyone,

With all the latest talk about Jarte, and how it may be going away
eventually due to lack of development, I was wondering what other free word
processors work well with Jaws? How about Open Office or Libre Office?

Any other suggestions?

~Ann


moderated Re: What is a not well known but great JAWS commands

David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
 

I'm actually someone who has been using Paragraph navigation on the Web for many years and I find it to be a very efficient way to read. Reading a line of text can be a bit fragmented and I tend to want to hear a bit more than reading just one whole sentence at a time, which can be done by pressing alt up arrow for previous sentence or alt down arrow to read the next sentence. Reading a paragraph is, for me, perfect as I can hear what usually amounts to a few sentences at a time, not too little but also not too overwhelming. For lists of information you'll usually hear one whole list item, although you can press I to move to the next list item, as well. I'm so used to holding down the control key and regularly pressing down arrow to read that it's become second nature for me on many Web sites containing large blocks of text.



David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 11/27/2020 3:35 PM, David Kingsbury wrote:

Hi all,

 

Actually, I have never used the JAWS skim read because it reads either the first full sentence of every paragraph or first full line. I want to read just enough of a paragraph to get a sense of it and then move on. That does not always require reading a full sentence or line. Just the first four or five words might be enough. And if speed is the objective, and it is with skim reading, I don’t need to hear any more than what I need to hear. So you can do this in a couple of very quick and easy ways. First, hold down Control and keep it held down. Then press down arrow just enough to hear what you want to hear at the beginning of a paragraph, then hit down arrow again, and so on.

 

Or you can put JAWS in Quick keys mode with Insert Z and then just press P to jump to the next paragraph, P again and so on. Much more efficient than JAWS skim read.

 

David



moderated Re: Openbook 9.0

David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
 

The following text is taken from the May 2020 edition of FSOpenLine.

VAUGHN:  Right.  And is there an update coming to OpenBook?  Or is it one of those products that it doesn’t need any of this stuff?

ERIC:  There is not an update coming for OpenBook.  I wouldn’t anticipate any changes there.  We will continue to evolve optical character recognition solutions for our other products.  But I think, as you say, you’re the type of a user that OpenBook is perfect because you are trying to read so much.  So it’s a good program for you.  So we’re glad to hear it’s still working for you. 


David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 11/27/2020 5:17 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

I was on the Openbook beta team, and since too many years ago to count, nothing has been said about Openbook even to the beta team.
It would be nice to get a definitive statement from Vispero about this, but I guess so long as they can still sell a $1000 OCR package to people, they will even though the only functionality I can find in it that isn't in other either mobile phone apps or the Jaws OCR is the ability to scan facing pages of a book and have them split into two pages automatically.




Richard
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 1:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Openbook 9.0

I believe you might be correct.  Other than a 2018 window dressing with a few languages added they seem to have abandoned the product.  I find that
even mobile scanning on my phone has about as good OCR.  I   look for the
OCR component to become a full function of JAWS.

Dan 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 12:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Openbook 9.0

FS has not updated Open book for many years and since OCR is built in to Jaws I don't think Open Book will ever be updated.
On 11/27/2020 11:36 AM, O.Addison Gethers wrote:
Hi All I have this Openbook 9.0 version  since 2010 ,Is there a new 
verson of Openbook version ? If so ,where can I get it from?

Addison




















moderated Re: Reading Status Line in Word

Phil Cox
 

Hi
 
InWord 2007  insert+ pagedown  reads the status line.
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill White
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 8:14 AM
Subject: Reading Status Line in Word

In Microsoft Word, JAWS key plus NumPad 3 reads the Status Line. Is there a laptop keyboard layout keystroke for this, or is there a way to assign another key for this in Keyboard Manager for those without a NumPad?

 

Thank you.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 


moderated Re: Reading Status Line in Word

Justin Williams
 

Try using the caps lokc key and the numpad key 3.

The caps lock key replaces the jaws key.

 

Justin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 8:14 AM
To: JFW Mailing List <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Reading Status Line in Word

 

In Microsoft Word, JAWS key plus NumPad 3 reads the Status Line. Is there a laptop keyboard layout keystroke for this, or is there a way to assign another key for this in Keyboard Manager for those without a NumPad?

 

Thank you.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 


moderated Reading Status Line in Word

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

In Microsoft Word, JAWS key plus NumPad 3 reads the Status Line. Is there a laptop keyboard layout keystroke for this, or is there a way to assign another key for this in Keyboard Manager for those without a NumPad?

 

Thank you.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 


moderated Re: **** [SUSPECTED SPAM] ****Free word processors

JM Casey
 

I have Libre, open and mS offices on this machine and none of them even seem to notice each other. I don’t see any reason why they should. But yeah, there’s probably nothing to lose, in this case…

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: November 28, 2020 08:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: **** [SUSPECTED SPAM] ****Free word processors

 

My own personal recommendation  in relation to Libre Office at least is to download and try  using it as a portable application if you are already running MS Office.

I may be unlucky but in the past when trying to install both on the same system they did not seem to play nice together.

Of course if you are on a machine without Office there is nothing to lose.

David G.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: JM Casey
Sent: 28 November 2020 12:45
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: **** [SUSPECTED SPAM] ****Free word processors

 

Both Libre and Open Office are certainly worth having around. Open office project doesn't seem to be doing too well, development wise, but probably still better than jarte. The writer (word processor) at least works well enough with jFW. Libre office is more of a going concern and I would probably opt for that, though my last experience shows that it works better with nVDA at least than older versions of jAWS (like 2018). However, thought I saw something about libre in a recent Jaws what's new, so maybe some work has been done on FS's end. Libre is also updating very regularly, and it's easy to find loads of keyboard commands online for everything. It can also work with more recent MS Word files.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ann

Sent: November 28, 2020 05:59 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: **** [SUSPECTED SPAM] ****Free word processors

 

                Hi everyone,

 

With all the latest talk about Jarte, and how it may be going away eventually due to lack of development, I was wondering what other free word processors work well with Jaws? How about Open Office or Libre Office?

 

Any other suggestions?

 

~Ann

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


moderated Re: **** [SUSPECTED SPAM] ****Free word processors

David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
 

Hi. I'm not intending to contradict the previous poster or to in any way invalidate his experiences. I'm running Windows 10, version 2004 with LibreOffice 7 and Microsoft 365 Personal installed and am experiencing no issues when running either set of applications.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 11/28/2020 8:01 AM, David Griffith wrote:

My own personal recommendation  in relation to Libre Office at least is to download and try  using it as a portable application if you are already running MS Office.

I may be unlucky but in the past when trying to install both on the same system they did not seem to play nice together.

Of course if you are on a machine without Office there is nothing to lose.

David G.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: JM Casey
Sent: 28 November 2020 12:45
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: **** [SUSPECTED SPAM] ****Free word processors

 

Both Libre and Open Office are certainly worth having around. Open office project doesn't seem to be doing too well, development wise, but probably still better than jarte. The writer (word processor) at least works well enough with jFW. Libre office is more of a going concern and I would probably opt for that, though my last experience shows that it works better with nVDA at least than older versions of jAWS (like 2018). However, thought I saw something about libre in a recent Jaws what's new, so maybe some work has been done on FS's end. Libre is also updating very regularly, and it's easy to find loads of keyboard commands online for everything. It can also work with more recent MS Word files.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ann

Sent: November 28, 2020 05:59 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: **** [SUSPECTED SPAM] ****Free word processors

 

                Hi everyone,

 

With all the latest talk about Jarte, and how it may be going away eventually due to lack of development, I was wondering what other free word processors work well with Jaws? How about Open Office or Libre Office?

 

Any other suggestions?

 

~Ann

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



moderated Re: **** [SUSPECTED SPAM] ****Free word processors

David Griffith
 

My own personal recommendation  in relation to Libre Office at least is to download and try  using it as a portable application if you are already running MS Office.

I may be unlucky but in the past when trying to install both on the same system they did not seem to play nice together.

Of course if you are on a machine without Office there is nothing to lose.

David G.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: JM Casey
Sent: 28 November 2020 12:45
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: **** [SUSPECTED SPAM] ****Free word processors

 

Both Libre and Open Office are certainly worth having around. Open office project doesn't seem to be doing too well, development wise, but probably still better than jarte. The writer (word processor) at least works well enough with jFW. Libre office is more of a going concern and I would probably opt for that, though my last experience shows that it works better with nVDA at least than older versions of jAWS (like 2018). However, thought I saw something about libre in a recent Jaws what's new, so maybe some work has been done on FS's end. Libre is also updating very regularly, and it's easy to find loads of keyboard commands online for everything. It can also work with more recent MS Word files.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ann

Sent: November 28, 2020 05:59 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: **** [SUSPECTED SPAM] ****Free word processors

 

                Hi everyone,

 

With all the latest talk about Jarte, and how it may be going away eventually due to lack of development, I was wondering what other free word processors work well with Jaws? How about Open Office or Libre Office?

 

Any other suggestions?

 

~Ann

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


moderated Re: **** [SUSPECTED SPAM] ****Free word processors

JM Casey
 

Both Libre and Open Office are certainly worth having around. Open office project doesn't seem to be doing too well, development wise, but probably still better than jarte. The writer (word processor) at least works well enough with jFW. Libre office is more of a going concern and I would probably opt for that, though my last experience shows that it works better with nVDA at least than older versions of jAWS (like 2018). However, thought I saw something about libre in a recent Jaws what's new, so maybe some work has been done on FS's end. Libre is also updating very regularly, and it's easy to find loads of keyboard commands online for everything. It can also work with more recent MS Word files.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ann
Sent: November 28, 2020 05:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: **** [SUSPECTED SPAM] ****Free word processors

Hi everyone,

With all the latest talk about Jarte, and how it may be going away eventually due to lack of development, I was wondering what other free word processors work well with Jaws? How about Open Office or Libre Office?

Any other suggestions?

~Ann


moderated Re: Free word processors

Leo
 

hi,

I didn't followed the thread about Jarte, but as a piece of advice,  if
you're going to use a word processor  on  a regular basis, let's say
college, I won't recommend  any free word processor, I plunged myself
into searching for an acceptable piece of software, but in the end, I
ended up resorting to MS Word. Of course, this really depends on the
user's needs and expectations. Every once in a while and to do the
shopping list, wordpad is a good alternative.



Leo

“Pain is inevitable. Suffering is optional.”
― haruki murakami,

On 11/28/2020 4:59 AM, ann wrote:
    Hi everyone,

With all the latest talk about Jarte, and how it may be going away
eventually due to lack of development, I was wondering what other free
word processors work well with Jaws? How about Open Office or Libre
Office?

Any other suggestions?

~Ann




moderated Re: Free word processors

Arkadiusz Świętnicki
 

Even if they work, they're no good IMHO. If you need a free WOrd
Processor, use Google Docs.


moderated Free word processors

ann
 

Hi everyone,

With all the latest talk about Jarte, and how it may be going away eventually due to lack of development, I was wondering what other free word processors work well with Jaws? How about Open Office or Libre Office?

Any other suggestions?

~Ann


moderated Re: requestin money pay pal

Leo
 

Hi, I have just recently used paypal and experienced similar problems, what I did was to switch to firefox and I tried again, I discovered that, for my particular case, the web site was more accessible using firefox. I tried it out using jaws 2020 and 2021.


Leo

“Pain is inevitable. Suffering is optional.”
― haruki murakami,
On 11/27/2020 6:51 PM, Justin Williams wrote:

When trying to request money, I was not able to put the amount in on the page after I pulled up their e-mail.

 

It was as if the edit fields weren't labeled.

 

I was using jaws 2019 and I tried 2018.

 

Has anyone had that trouble, and is their a solution?

 

Justin

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


moderated Re: does a link leave a site?

Mark
 

In FSCast 191 (mp3, transcripts at heading 2 JAWS Power Tip) this question was answered. Copy and pasted here: 

GLEN:  Time now for today’s Power Tip.  It comes from long-time JAWS scripter Dave Baker, who reminded those of us who should know better that there’s a feature already built into JAWS for knowing what the real address is of a link that you may encounter, either in email or on the web.  This is particularly important if those links point at things that, let’s say, would require you to log in.  And you wouldn’t want to click on it if it really was an imposter because the name of the link doesn’t necessarily represent what it’s really pointing at.  I’m sitting here in Microsoft Outlook now with a piece of mail open that says it’s from the U.S. Social Security Administration.

JAWS VOICE:  To view your most recent statement, please visit link www.socialsecurity.gov/reviewyourstatement.

GLEN:  Now, this link is probably legitimate.  But to make sure, once you have the virtual PC cursor focused on the link itself, press INSERT+F7.

JAWS VOICE:  Links list dialog, links list view, www.socialsecurity.gov/reviewyourstatement.  One of one.

GLEN:  Now, the only reason I said to position on the link is, if there had been more than one link in the email, the links list always positions on the link that’s associated with where you are in the virtual buffer.  So it’s just an easy way to get there quickly.  Now that I’m here, if I press INSERT+PAGE DOWN...

JAWS VOICE:  Https://www.socialsecurity.gov/reviewyourstatement.

GLEN:  So I heard the link, and I am now sure that that really points at Social Security.  But sometimes the links are much longer and much more involved, and it’s hard to make them out just hearing them as one single thing.  So you can turn on the JAWS cursor and get to the bottom of the page and read the link, word or character at a time.  So I’m going to press INSERT+NUM PAD-.  That’s going to route the JAWS cursor to the PC cursor and turn it on.

JAWS VOICE:  Route JAWS to PC.

GLEN:  Now I’ll hit PAGE DOWN.  Now I’ll do a “say word.”

JAWS VOICE:  Https:.

GLEN:  And then I can just move on by word.

JAWS VOICE:  //www.socialsecurity.gov/reviewyourstatement.

GLEN:  So an easy way to always know what a link points at and never click on the wrong thing by mistake.  I showed it to you in Outlook.  It works equally well with links on the web.


moderated JfW and Jarte Again

David Griffith
 

In view of the problem someone  experienced, as an experiment  I  went onto another machine without Jarte.

I too found the enable screenreader copied to clipboard instruction did not work.

However the following did.

  1. Install Jarte
  2. Close Jaws and start NVDA
  3. Start Jarte, Jarte will announce screen reader mode.
  4. Close NVDA and start Jaws. Restart Jarte and it sticks in screenreader mode for Jaws  also now.
  5. .Now finally  with Jarte in focus use Jaws F2 and find settings centre for Jarte and create the profile. Type edit in the search box and then tab down to uncheck enhanced edit mode.
  6. The only other thing I  think is to install the office Add in pack to improve Jarte compliance with Office Documents.

 

This all seems to work nicely to get a free Jaws accessible Word Processor for now.

 

David G.

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