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moderated problem with jaws 2021 sending email with gmail - ms edge

Jim Ruby
 

Hi, Since upgrading from jaws 2020 to jaws 2021 wen replying to email
jaws don't behave like it did in 2020.

when I finish a reply and click send jaws does not update and I still
see my message in the edit field and I can not click on any links, it
does nothing.

steps.

open gmail
use the html view
click on a message
go down to the reply edit field and enter a message and click send

At this point jaws breaks or at least is no longer responding like it
did in 2020

In jaws 2020

you would hear message sent and the reply edit field would be empty
and you could go down and click the link to return the the mail box
you were working in such as in box.

If I go back to jaws 2020 it works as expected.

Anyone else noticing this?


moderated Re: Forms mode: your preferences

Mario
 

I have forms mode set to manual. it is just as easy to type e to navigate to an edit field and see if it's the one that's needed. I don't like the automatic setting for forms mode especially when just reviewing what's on a web page. semi automatic is ok but I still prefer manual.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Mark [mailto:mweiler@alumni.sfu.ca]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Friday, November 20, 2020, 8:57 PM
Subject: Forms mode: your preferences
When it comes to forms mode, what are your preferences for settings:
manual, automatic, semi-automatic? And any particular reasons for your
preference? Mine is set to automatic but I'm now wondering if there
might be something better.  I'd like to hear others have to say, while I
experiment.


moderated Re: having trouble with links

Shirley Tracy
 

Hi Jim,

 

That’s part of my problem. I’m using Gmail through MS Mail with JAWS 2021. Someone else suggested clicking on the first or second letter of the link, and it does help in most cases. Funny, sometimes a link will work and sometimes the same link will not work. I have also learned to wait a bit after I enter the link. Apparently, it sometimes takes a while for it to work. I have often been impatient.

 

Shirley Tracy

 

From: Jim Ruby
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 5:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: having trouble with links

 

Hi, I am having the same problem on gmail. I If I type my email and just press enter on the send button the email will send, but jaws will not update so it looks like the email is not sent, but if I move the cursor to the second or third letter on the button it works. however if I continue to scroll down and try and hit the link to go back to the mail box I am working in I can never get that to work. I'm using gmail in html with ms edge with latest jaws 2021.

Thanks

 


moderated Re: having trouble with links

Glenn / Lenny
 


If it is a button, do you move to it with the letter B?
I usually use space bar on buttons before trying the enter key.
HTH.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Ruby
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 4:28 AM
Subject: Re: having trouble with links

Hi, I am having the same problem on gmail. I If I type my email and just press enter on the send button the email will send, but jaws will not update so it looks like the email is not sent, but if I move the cursor to the second or third letter on the button it works. however if I continue to scroll down and try and hit the link to go back to the mail box I am working in I can never get that to work. I'm using gmail in html with ms edge with latest jaws 2021.

Thanks


moderated Re: Office 2019 vs Office 365

Richard Turner
 

For what it is worth, I’ve subscribed to 365 for several years and have never had any accessibility issues.

I opt to download and install the stand-alone version.

If having a downloaded version ever goes away, which I doubt, then I will look at Open Office.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 7:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Office 2019 vs Office 365

 

My concern about the subscription model is that improvements sometimes mean compromises of accessibility. I waited to buy Office 2016 until it looked like obvious accessibility hitches had been fixed. It looks like Office 2019 is now also in good shape. I’ll be sorry when I have no choice but to migrate to 365.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Weiss via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 9:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Office 2019 vs Office 365

 

Office 2019 is a one time purchase, but keep in mind that at some point in time Microsoft is going to stop offering updates for that when the next version comes out. With office 365 you continue to receive all the updates, so you’re currently running the most up-to-date code.

 

On Nov 21, 2020, at 9:48 AM, Mark Arnold ABG <markarnold.abg@...> wrote:

My reason for asking was subscription versus purchasing a one time license. I would like to avoid the subscription fee for office 365. Is office 2019 available for a one time purchase price or is it a subscription as well? Thanks, Mark

 

On Nov 21, 2020, at 9:29 AM, Edward Green <ergreen1981@...> wrote:



Hi Mark,
If you
buy Office
365,
you also get access to Office
2019 for as long as you
continue
to
subscribe, so it needn’t be
an either or.

Cheers,
Ed

On 21 November 2020 13:56:06 "Mark Arnold ABG" <markarnold.abg@...> wrote:

List,

 

I am considering purchasing one of the two programs.  From a JFW accessibility position, are there any pros and cons between the 2019 and 365 programs?

 

Thanks,

Mark

 


moderated Re: OT - Are there any user groups for blind audiophiles?

Richard B. McDonald
 

Hi Mike!

 

To answer your question, an “audiophile” is someone who is interested in very high audio fidelity; typically involving very high-end, sophisticated audio equipment.

 

HTH,

Richard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of mike mcglashon
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 8:54 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: OT - Are there any user groups for blind audiophiles?

 

What is an audiophile?

 

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 11:52 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: OT - Are there any user groups for blind audiophiles?

 

Hi!

 

I am an audiophile.  I was wondering if there are any user groups or list servers for blind audiophiles?

 

Thanks,

Richard


moderated Re: Office 2019 vs Office 365

 

Office 2016 and 2019 are both under support until 2025.

When it comes the time when I cannot get a standalone version of Microsoft Office I'll finally make the leap to LibreOffice or SoftMaker Office Free.  I don't do subscription service (or at least not paid, as one can classify Windows 10 as being a subscription service) for things like Office or similar.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: OT - Are there any user groups for blind audiophiles?

Richard B. McDonald
 

Hi Randy!

 

Yes, I would like to speak with you off-list.  My direct email address is below.  Please email me there.

 

richardbmcdonald@...

 

Thanks,

Richard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 12:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: OT - Are there any user groups for blind audiophiles?

 

Well, If you think audio is only properly reproduced through specialized components and very sophisticated speakers and are willing to build them yourself or spend a lot of money for them then you are a audiophile.

There are tons of audio forums on the net and I don't know if a blind specific one would get much traffic. you can e-mail me privately and we could talk. I have build cross overs and speaker systems for years and am getting back into it again with a dual 18" sub woofer build and a single 21" sub build. Basically large subs that you wont find in any box store or most brick and mortar stereo shops. At least not for several time the cost.

On 11/20/2020 8:54 AM, mike mcglashon wrote:

What is an audiophile?

 

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 11:52 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: OT - Are there any user groups for blind audiophiles?

 

Hi!

 

I am an audiophile.  I was wondering if there are any user groups or list servers for blind audiophiles?

 

Thanks,

Richard


moderated Re: Office 2019 vs Office 365

Adrian Spratt
 

My concern about the subscription model is that improvements sometimes mean compromises of accessibility. I waited to buy Office 2016 until it looked like obvious accessibility hitches had been fixed. It looks like Office 2019 is now also in good shape. I’ll be sorry when I have no choice but to migrate to 365.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Weiss via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 9:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Office 2019 vs Office 365

 

Office 2019 is a one time purchase, but keep in mind that at some point in time Microsoft is going to stop offering updates for that when the next version comes out. With office 365 you continue to receive all the updates, so you’re currently running the most up-to-date code.



On Nov 21, 2020, at 9:48 AM, Mark Arnold ABG <markarnold.abg@...> wrote:

My reason for asking was subscription versus purchasing a one time license. I would like to avoid the subscription fee for office 365. Is office 2019 available for a one time purchase price or is it a subscription as well? Thanks, Mark



On Nov 21, 2020, at 9:29 AM, Edward Green <ergreen1981@...> wrote:



Hi Mark,
If you
buy Office
365,
you also get access to Office
2019 for as long as you
continue
to
subscribe, so it needn’t be
an either or.

Cheers,
Ed

On 21 November 2020 13:56:06 "Mark Arnold ABG" <markarnold.abg@...> wrote:

List,

 

I am considering purchasing one of the two programs.  From a JFW accessibility position, are there any pros and cons between the 2019 and 365 programs?

 

Thanks,

Mark

 


moderated Re: Office 2019 vs Office 365

Jim Weiss
 

Office 2019 is a one time purchase, but keep in mind that at some point in time Microsoft is going to stop offering updates for that when the next version comes out. With office 365 you continue to receive all the updates, so you’re currently running the most up-to-date code.


On Nov 21, 2020, at 9:48 AM, Mark Arnold ABG <markarnold.abg@...> wrote:

My reason for asking was subscription versus purchasing a one time license. I would like to avoid the subscription fee for office 365. Is office 2019 available for a one time purchase price or is it a subscription as well? Thanks, Mark


On Nov 21, 2020, at 9:29 AM, Edward Green <ergreen1981@...> wrote:



Hi Mark,
If you
buy Office
365,
you also get access to Office
2019 for as long as you
continue
to
subscribe, so it needn’t be
an either or.

Cheers,
Ed

On 21 November 2020 13:56:06 "Mark Arnold ABG" <markarnold.abg@...> wrote:

List,

 

I am considering purchasing one of the two programs.  From a JFW accessibility position, are there any pros and cons between the 2019 and 365 programs?

 

Thanks,

Mark

 


moderated Re: Office 2019 vs Office 365

Mark Arnold ABG
 

My reason for asking was subscription versus purchasing a one time license. I would like to avoid the subscription fee for office 365. Is office 2019 available for a one time purchase price or is it a subscription as well? Thanks, Mark


On Nov 21, 2020, at 9:29 AM, Edward Green <ergreen1981@...> wrote:



Hi Mark,
If you
buy Office
365,
you also get access to Office
2019 for as long as you
continue
to
subscribe, so it needn’t be
an either or.

Cheers,
Ed

On 21 November 2020 13:56:06 "Mark Arnold ABG" <markarnold.abg@...> wrote:

List,

 

I am considering purchasing one of the two programs.  From a JFW accessibility position, are there any pros and cons between the 2019 and 365 programs?

 

Thanks,

Mark

 


moderated Re: Office 2019 vs Office 365

Edward Green
 

Hi Mark,
If you
buy Office
365,
you also get access to Office
2019 for as long as you
continue
to
subscribe, so it needn’t be
an either or.

Cheers,
Ed

On 21 November 2020 13:56:06 "Mark Arnold ABG" <markarnold.abg@...> wrote:

List,

 

I am considering purchasing one of the two programs.  From a JFW accessibility position, are there any pros and cons between the 2019 and 365 programs?

 

Thanks,

Mark

 


moderated Office 2019 vs Office 365

Mark Arnold ABG
 

List,

 

I am considering purchasing one of the two programs.  From a JFW accessibility position, are there any pros and cons between the 2019 and 365 programs?

 

Thanks,

Mark

 


moderated Re: having trouble with links

Jim Ruby
 

Hi, I am having the same problem on gmail. I If I type my email and just press enter on the send button the email will send, but jaws will not update so it looks like the email is not sent, but if I move the cursor to the second or third letter on the button it works. however if I continue to scroll down and try and hit the link to go back to the mail box I am working in I can never get that to work. I'm using gmail in html with ms edge with latest jaws 2021.

Thanks


moderated Re: more on my jaws issue.

Loy <loyrg2845@...>
 


If you have a smart phone with Be My Eyes you can call the Microsoft disability desk with it and then they can help you. I had them to help me change a setting in my BIOS  using the Be My Eyes app.

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill White
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: more on my jaws issue.

Microsoft can't help him boot in safe mode. They don't have any control of his computer in safe mode.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 6:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more on my jaws issue.

 

Maybe he needs to reboot in safe mode and manually delete that empty folder?Or call Microsoft Accessibility and get help doing that.

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert



On Nov 20, 2020, at 5:45 PM, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:



Hi, Kevin. There is no longer a separate 32 and 64-bit installer for JAWS. It is all contained in one installer. Jim is getting an error which just says, "Install Failed".

 

One thing Jim neglected to tell you is that There is an entry for JAWS 21 under programs and Features with nothing in it, and it won't uninstall.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin Minor
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 5:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more on my jaws issue.

 

Hi.

 

Something to check is whether you have the 32 or 64 bit version of the installer, and make sure it matches your Windows OS.

 

Hope this helps.

Kevin and Jilly, the very empathic, flying doggie

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 8:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more on my jaws issue.

 

What error are you getting?

 

Have you tried unloading Jaws 2019 with insert+f4 and running Narrator while you install 2021?

,

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 5:01 PM
To: jfw-users@groups.io
Subject: more on my jaws issue.

 

Hi all, I cannot install jaws 2021. I am authorized to have it, but it will not install. I downloaded it to my download folder, and that's as far as it goes.

I wrote to FS, and they gave me a case number, and I haven't heard from them since. Since I am authorized to have it, why won't it installs? I know a lot of you have a lot more knowledge about this kind of thing, so if you have some ideas, I would appreciate them. I am running jaws 19 at the moment on a windows ten computer. Jim


moderated Re: Basic Windows 10 Question

Mark Arnold ABG
 

Thanks so much…  I did finally locate it…

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris via groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 12:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Basic Windows 10 Question

 

Its now called This PC type it into search to find it

 

 

From: Mark Arnold ABG
Sent: 20 November 2020 15:22
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Basic Windows 10 Question

 

List,

 

How do I see the list of drives on a Windows 10 operating system?  In Windows 7, I opened up “Computer” and found the list of drives i.e. removable drives etc.  Thanks in advance-

Mark

 

 


moderated Re: Forms mode: your preferences

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

I use automatic out of habit, but also, because usually when I enter my home page, which is Google, I want to start at the Search Box, which is a form field, and I want it to be ready to accept input without having to press ENTER on the edit field.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 5:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Forms mode: your preferences

 

When it comes to forms mode, what are your preferences for settings: manual, automatic, semi-automatic? And any particular reasons for your preference? Mine is set to automatic but I'm now wondering if there might be something better.  I'd like to hear others have to say, while I experiment.


moderated Re: more on my jaws issue.

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Microsoft can't help him boot in safe mode. They don't have any control of his computer in safe mode.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 6:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more on my jaws issue.

 

Maybe he needs to reboot in safe mode and manually delete that empty folder?Or call Microsoft Accessibility and get help doing that.

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert



On Nov 20, 2020, at 5:45 PM, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:



Hi, Kevin. There is no longer a separate 32 and 64-bit installer for JAWS. It is all contained in one installer. Jim is getting an error which just says, "Install Failed".

 

One thing Jim neglected to tell you is that There is an entry for JAWS 21 under programs and Features with nothing in it, and it won't uninstall.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin Minor
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 5:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more on my jaws issue.

 

Hi.

 

Something to check is whether you have the 32 or 64 bit version of the installer, and make sure it matches your Windows OS.

 

Hope this helps.

Kevin and Jilly, the very empathic, flying doggie

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 8:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more on my jaws issue.

 

What error are you getting?

 

Have you tried unloading Jaws 2019 with insert+f4 and running Narrator while you install 2021?

,

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 5:01 PM
To: jfw-users@groups.io
Subject: more on my jaws issue.

 

Hi all, I cannot install jaws 2021. I am authorized to have it, but it will not install. I downloaded it to my download folder, and that's as far as it goes.

I wrote to FS, and they gave me a case number, and I haven't heard from them since. Since I am authorized to have it, why won't it installs? I know a lot of you have a lot more knowledge about this kind of thing, so if you have some ideas, I would appreciate them. I am running jaws 19 at the moment on a windows ten computer. Jim


moderated Re: more on my jaws issue.

Richard Turner
 

Maybe he needs to reboot in safe mode and manually delete that empty folder?Or call Microsoft Accessibility and get help doing that.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Nov 20, 2020, at 5:45 PM, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:



Hi, Kevin. There is no longer a separate 32 and 64-bit installer for JAWS. It is all contained in one installer. Jim is getting an error which just says, "Install Failed".

 

One thing Jim neglected to tell you is that There is an entry for JAWS 21 under programs and Features with nothing in it, and it won't uninstall.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin Minor
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 5:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more on my jaws issue.

 

Hi.

 

Something to check is whether you have the 32 or 64 bit version of the installer, and make sure it matches your Windows OS.

 

Hope this helps.

Kevin and Jilly, the very empathic, flying doggie

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 8:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more on my jaws issue.

 

What error are you getting?

 

Have you tried unloading Jaws 2019 with insert+f4 and running Narrator while you install 2021?

,

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 5:01 PM
To: jfw-users@groups.io
Subject: more on my jaws issue.

 

Hi all, I cannot install jaws 2021. I am authorized to have it, but it will not install. I downloaded it to my download folder, and that's as far as it goes.

I wrote to FS, and they gave me a case number, and I haven't heard from them since. Since I am authorized to have it, why won't it installs? I know a lot of you have a lot more knowledge about this kind of thing, so if you have some ideas, I would appreciate them. I am running jaws 19 at the moment on a windows ten computer. Jim


moderated Re: Forms mode: your preferences

Jaffar Sidek
 

Automatic for me because I am too darn lazy to do more than what is already being provided, unless I have too of course.  Cheers!

On 21/11/2020 9:57 am, Mark wrote:
When it comes to forms mode, what are your preferences for settings: manual, automatic, semi-automatic? And any particular reasons for your preference? Mine is set to automatic but I'm now wondering if there might be something better.  I'd like to hear others have to say, while I experiment.

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