Hi, Addison. When ALT plus F4 doesn't close a browser, in most cases, try CONTROL plus W.

Hi Bill  OK if it suppose to say close in all  then when I was on google chrome  with m.facebook.com  on profile page  when I come back to coputer 20 minute later  then I press f5 to fresh the page it will not fresh the page so I press alt  - f4 to try to close out google chrome  profile  on m.facebook.com  so the page is stucked up and won’t close out the page  so I went to task manager  page then arrow down to google chrome close then press tab key 2 time to task button press enter  and press alt –f4 to close out task manager  after task manager page close out google chrome profile on m.facebook.com still open then I press alt –f4 again it will not close out google chrome profile m.facebook.com  so I had to restart the computer . Why is that?

Addison

Hi, Addison. Yes, it is supposed to say closed. To open the category in Task Manager, press the Right Arrow, and you may find several tasks under this one category. It says "Closed" in the same manner as when you are exploring the Files and Folders tree under Windows Explorer. It is not saying that the program is closed, it is saying that the entry for that item is closed and must be expanded with the Right Arrow.

Hi All I have jaws2020  and desktop computer Window10  !! When I press ctrl + shift + esc  to task manager   when task manager window page opens then I arrow down through the items  when I hear it’s say application for jaws  closed ,google chrome  closed ,firefox closed,microsoft edge closed and microsoft outlook closed  and others closed  !! Does task manager supposed to have all the items saying closed ? Because  when I was using google chrome  with  m.facebook.com  have the page opens for about 15 or 30 minute  later when I come back on computer  I was on google chrome  page with m.facebook.com I press F5 to fresh the page somehow  it won’t fresh the page so I press alt  F4 to close out the page  it won’t close out the google chrome  m.facebook.com  so it got stuck  so I went to task manager  then I arrow down to google chrome closed  then I press tab key it say detail  then press tab key again it say task  button I press enter  then I press alt –F4 to close out task manager  then it was on google chrome m.facebook.com profile  I press alt – F4 to close out the page but it won’t close out google chrome  !! Does anyone have any idea what I can do to task manager to say google chrome  without saying close ? Do anyone of you went you go to task manager  ,does all of your items say close ?

Addison

Hi Bill  OK if it suppose to say close in all  then when I was on google chrome  with m.facebook.com  on profile page  when I come back to coputer 20 minute later  then I press f5 to fresh the page it will not fresh the page so I press alt  - f4 to try to close out google chrome  profile  on m.facebook.com  so the page is stucked up and won’t close out the page  so I went to task manager  page then arrow down to google chrome close then press tab key 2 time to task button press enter  and press alt –f4 to close out task manager  after task manager page close out google chrome profile on m.facebook.com still open then I press alt –f4 again it will not close out google chrome profile m.facebook.com  so I had to restart the computer . Why is that?

Addison

Hi, Addison. Yes, it is supposed to say closed. To open the category in Task Manager, press the Right Arrow, and you may find several tasks under this one category. It says "Closed" in the same manner as when you are exploring the Files and Folders tree under Windows Explorer. It is not saying that the program is closed, it is saying that the entry for that item is closed and must be expanded with the Right Arrow.

Hi All I have jaws2020  and desktop computer Window10  !! When I press ctrl + shift + esc  to task manager   when task manager window page opens then I arrow down through the items  when I hear it’s say application for jaws  closed ,google chrome  closed ,firefox closed,microsoft edge closed and microsoft outlook closed  and others closed  !! Does task manager supposed to have all the items saying closed ? Because  when I was using google chrome  with  m.facebook.com  have the page opens for about 15 or 30 minute  later when I come back on computer  I was on google chrome  page with m.facebook.com I press F5 to fresh the page somehow  it won’t fresh the page so I press alt  F4 to close out the page  it won’t close out the google chrome  m.facebook.com  so it got stuck  so I went to task manager  then I arrow down to google chrome closed  then I press tab key it say detail  then press tab key again it say task  button I press enter  then I press alt –F4 to close out task manager  then it was on google chrome m.facebook.com profile  I press alt – F4 to close out the page but it won’t close out google chrome  !! Does anyone have any idea what I can do to task manager to say google chrome  without saying close ? Do anyone of you went you go to task manager  ,does all of your items say close ?

Addison

Hi Bill  OK if it suppose to say close in all  then when I was on google chrome  with m.facebook.com  on profile page  when I come back to coputer 20 minute later  then I press f5 to fresh the page it will not fresh the page so I press alt  - f4 to try to close out google chrome  profile  on m.facebook.com  so the page is stucked up and won’t close out the page  so I went to task manager  page then arrow down to google chrome close then press tab key 2 time to task button press enter  and press alt –f4 to close out task manager  after task manager page close out google chrome profile on m.facebook.com still open then I press alt –f4 again it will not close out google chrome profile m.facebook.com  so I had to restart the computer . Why is that?

Addison

Hi, Addison. Yes, it is supposed to say closed. To open the category in Task Manager, press the Right Arrow, and you may find several tasks under this one category. It says "Closed" in the same manner as when you are exploring the Files and Folders tree under Windows Explorer. It is not saying that the program is closed, it is saying that the entry for that item is closed and must be expanded with the Right Arrow.

Hi All I have jaws2020  and desktop computer Window10  !! When I press ctrl + shift + esc  to task manager   when task manager window page opens then I arrow down through the items  when I hear it’s say application for jaws  closed ,google chrome  closed ,firefox closed,microsoft edge closed and microsoft outlook closed  and others closed  !! Does task manager supposed to have all the items saying closed ? Because  when I was using google chrome  with  m.facebook.com  have the page opens for about 15 or 30 minute  later when I come back on computer  I was on google chrome  page with m.facebook.com I press F5 to fresh the page somehow  it won’t fresh the page so I press alt  F4 to close out the page  it won’t close out the google chrome  m.facebook.com  so it got stuck  so I went to task manager  then I arrow down to google chrome closed  then I press tab key it say detail  then press tab key again it say task  button I press enter  then I press alt –F4 to close out task manager  then it was on google chrome m.facebook.com profile  I press alt – F4 to close out the page but it won’t close out google chrome  !! Does anyone have any idea what I can do to task manager to say google chrome  without saying close ? Do anyone of you went you go to task manager  ,does all of your items say close ?

Addison

What is an audiophile?

 

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

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Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 11:52 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: OT - Are there any user groups for blind audiophiles?

 

Hi!

 

I am an audiophile.  I was wondering if there are any user groups or list servers for blind audiophiles?

 

Thanks,

Richard

Hi, Addison. Yes, it is supposed to say closed. To open the category in Task Manager, press the Right Arrow, and you may find several tasks under this one category. It says "Closed" in the same manner as when you are exploring the Files and Folders tree under Windows Explorer. It is not saying that the program is closed, it is saying that the entry for that item is closed and must be expanded with the Right Arrow.

Hi All I have jaws2020  and desktop computer Window10  !! When I press ctrl + shift + esc  to task manager   when task manager window page opens then I arrow down through the items  when I hear it’s say application for jaws  closed ,google chrome  closed ,firefox closed,microsoft edge closed and microsoft outlook closed  and others closed  !! Does task manager supposed to have all the items saying closed ? Because  when I was using google chrome  with  m.facebook.com  have the page opens for about 15 or 30 minute  later when I come back on computer  I was on google chrome  page with m.facebook.com I press F5 to fresh the page somehow  it won’t fresh the page so I press alt  F4 to close out the page  it won’t close out the google chrome  m.facebook.com  so it got stuck  so I went to task manager  then I arrow down to google chrome closed  then I press tab key it say detail  then press tab key again it say task  button I press enter  then I press alt –F4 to close out task manager  then it was on google chrome m.facebook.com profile  I press alt – F4 to close out the page but it won’t close out google chrome  !! Does anyone have any idea what I can do to task manager to say google chrome  without saying close ? Do anyone of you went you go to task manager  ,does all of your items say close ?

Addison

Am I to understand that chrome is different at rendering than chromium edge, even though they're the same engine? That's confusing? How many browsers should we have installed on devices, for the best experience?

I feel like I’m losing my mind – maybe because I’m hitting my head on the wall.  On my work computer, my primary browser s Chrome.  I just got an upgrade to the chromium Edge, so I’ll try that soon, but assume it’s similar to Chrome.  I also still have IE 11.  I’ve noticed with two different web applications that JAWS voices the same page quite differently in when I use Chrome versus IE.  I feel stuck on doing what I need to do.  Here are a couple examples.  I’d really like to understand from some of you web developer/accessibility people what is going on.

 

Running Windows 10, JAWS 2020 (soon to be 2021). 

 

Our time keeping system is not great with JAWS.  The company says it works with NVDA & Firefox, neither of which I have on this laptop and if you use what they call listview instead of the more intuitive table view that  my colleagues use.  If I use IE 11, I can arrow down through this  listview and it reads a button for each date in my pay period, followed by a button where I can code whether I took a vacation day or such.  This format makes some sense.  If I click the button for pay code, it seems to open a small dialog  associated to the corresponding date where is shows each type of code an the number of hours, such as 8 hours of vacation. 

Because I’m having some issues with the menu to pick a code type, I thought I’d go try it in Chrome.  In Chrome, the same page reads very differently.  Arrowing down through the page only has one option for each day of the pay period and JAWS says its’ a menu.  I have yet to figure out how to access this menu, as all my normal tricks aren’t working.  I’ll likely call AIRA for visual help as a temporary work around.

 

On SharePoint sites we use internally, There are tabs at the top that bring up different ribbons of buttons for editing and working with pages.  In IE, these tabs JAWS sees as Links and will bring up in the links list, then I can use B to move to each button.  In Chrome, these tab labels do not come up as links and I have to find them in other ways that are more clunky and seems to trigger Forms mode. 

 

Is this expected?  I’m surprised that the same elements on a page would be rendered so differently in different browsers.  I’m really trying to embrace Chrome, but find some web coding more clunky and in the case of my time keeping system, not seemingly accessible.  Would Firefox really render this another way that could potentially work better with JAWS?  I’ll have to ask for an exception to get Firefox installed and not even sure if it will be an improvement. 

 

Thoughts?

 

Robin Van Lant, Sr. Program Manager - Sales Enablement

Key Equipment Finance & Key Institutional Bank

720-304-1060

 

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Robin,

            The only broad insight I can offer is that Internet Explorer has not been being maintained, beyond security updates, for a very long time now.  It has not been keeping up with web coding changes, and there have been very many, since it went into what I call "walking dead" stage.  What you get when using IE can, in many instances, be significantly different than what you get in any currently maintained browser, and there are occasions where what you get may be "easier to use" and others where it's an absolute mess.  You really should not be using IE, ever, when security is important, e.g., online banking.  Here I'll insert my usual list of articles on why you should dump IE, immediately if not sooner, a number written by experts on IE:

Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer | Daniel Miessler        (Dec 2019)

The perils of using Internet Explorer as your default browser ...            (March 2019 – straight from the proverbial horse’s mouth)

Microsoft cybersecurity expert: Please, stop using Internet ...  (Feb 2019)

Microsoft security chief: IE is not a browser, so stop using ...     (Feb 2019)

Microsoft wants you to stop using Internet Explorer                    (Feb 2019)

12 reasons not to use Internet Explorer, ever | Computerworld  (June 2011 – Even more valid now)

And if you web search on “Why you should not use Internet Explorer” the list of returned results is long, and virtually unanimous in the expert (and non-expert) opinion that you should not.

Using any one of many currently supported browsers, Chrome, Firefox, Brave, Edge, Vivaldi, Waterfox, and the list goes on and on will also provide occasions where one "plays with" a given website better than another, or possibly multiple others, do.  I recently submitted a bug report to the folks at NVDA because I was getting wildly different behaviors between Firefox and Chrome, and one of the things I learned during the back and forth on this issue is that any screen reader often has to make guesses and decisions, the former if certain information is absent, and the latter if it's present, but could be ignored or processed in different ways.  'Tis the nature of the beasts, and the exact behaviors can vary depending on the specific beasts involved.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss

Mark:

I have an icon for “this PC” on my computer, and once there, I arrow down to my list of drives which is at the bottom of the listview.  Once there, I right arrow to the drive I want to access.

I have instructions here somewhere for putting the “this PC” icon on the desktop if you want them.  They are not self evident from the start.

Tom Behler

List,

How do I see the list of drives on a Windows 10 operating system?  In Windows 7, I opened up “Computer” and found the list of drives i.e. removable drives etc.  Thanks in advance-

Mark

Hi!

I am an audiophile.  I was wondering if there are any user groups or list servers for blind audiophiles?

Thanks,

Richard

I feel like I’m losing my mind – maybe because I’m hitting my head on the wall.  On my work computer, my primary browser s Chrome.  I just got an upgrade to the chromium Edge, so I’ll try that soon, but assume it’s similar to Chrome.  I also still have IE 11.  I’ve noticed with two different web applications that JAWS voices the same page quite differently in when I use Chrome versus IE.  I feel stuck on doing what I need to do.  Here are a couple examples.  I’d really like to understand from some of you web developer/accessibility people what is going on.

Running Windows 10, JAWS 2020 (soon to be 2021). 

Our time keeping system is not great with JAWS.  The company says it works with NVDA & Firefox, neither of which I have on this laptop and if you use what they call listview instead of the more intuitive table view that  my colleagues use.  If I use IE 11, I can arrow down through this  listview and it reads a button for each date in my pay period, followed by a button where I can code whether I took a vacation day or such.  This format makes some sense.  If I click the button for pay code, it seems to open a small dialog  associated to the corresponding date where is shows each type of code an the number of hours, such as 8 hours of vacation. 

Because I’m having some issues with the menu to pick a code type, I thought I’d go try it in Chrome.  In Chrome, the same page reads very differently.  Arrowing down through the page only has one option for each day of the pay period and JAWS says its’ a menu.  I have yet to figure out how to access this menu, as all my normal tricks aren’t working.  I’ll likely call AIRA for visual help as a temporary work around.

On SharePoint sites we use internally, There are tabs at the top that bring up different ribbons of buttons for editing and working with pages.  In IE, these tabs JAWS sees as Links and will bring up in the links list, then I can use B to move to each button.  In Chrome, these tab labels do not come up as links and I have to find them in other ways that are more clunky and seems to trigger Forms mode. 

Is this expected?  I’m surprised that the same elements on a page would be rendered so differently in different browsers.  I’m really trying to embrace Chrome, but find some web coding more clunky and in the case of my time keeping system, not seemingly accessible.  Would Firefox really render this another way that could potentially work better with JAWS?  I’ll have to ask for an exception to get Firefox installed and not even sure if it will be an improvement. 

Thoughts?

Robin Van Lant, Sr. Program Manager - Sales Enablement

Key Equipment Finance & Key Institutional Bank

720-304-1060

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Hi All,

I was contacted by a professor about a new course I am beginning using Zoom. He wants me to be able to access google slides and be able to edit within the slides.

I do have a gmail account.

I have found some information on google documents but not google slides.

If anyone has any suggestions of resources to help me learn this, that would be great as I have never used the google suite and have my gmail set up to use in outlook.

I am a person who is totally blind, using JAWS 2020 and Windows 10.

I plan to have Zoom open on one device and resources such as google slides and the workbook and texts on a separate laptop with earbud for that computer tucked in my headset and microphone that is connected to the laptop I am using for Zoom.

Thank-you for any advice.

Respectfully yours,

Sharon Ballantyne

Sharon.ballantyne@...

I feel like I’m losing my mind – maybe because I’m hitting my head on the wall.  On my work computer, my primary browser s Chrome.  I just got an upgrade to the chromium Edge, so I’ll try that soon, but assume it’s similar to Chrome.  I also still have IE 11.  I’ve noticed with two different web applications that JAWS voices the same page quite differently in when I use Chrome versus IE.  I feel stuck on doing what I need to do.  Here are a couple examples.  I’d really like to understand from some of you web developer/accessibility people what is going on.

 

Running Windows 10, JAWS 2020 (soon to be 2021). 

 

Our time keeping system is not great with JAWS.  The company says it works with NVDA & Firefox, neither of which I have on this laptop and if you use what they call listview instead of the more intuitive table view that  my colleagues use.  If I use IE 11, I can arrow down through this  listview and it reads a button for each date in my pay period, followed by a button where I can code whether I took a vacation day or such.  This format makes some sense.  If I click the button for pay code, it seems to open a small dialog  associated to the corresponding date where is shows each type of code an the number of hours, such as 8 hours of vacation. 

Because I’m having some issues with the menu to pick a code type, I thought I’d go try it in Chrome.  In Chrome, the same page reads very differently.  Arrowing down through the page only has one option for each day of the pay period and JAWS says its’ a menu.  I have yet to figure out how to access this menu, as all my normal tricks aren’t working.  I’ll likely call AIRA for visual help as a temporary work around.

 

On SharePoint sites we use internally, There are tabs at the top that bring up different ribbons of buttons for editing and working with pages.  In IE, these tabs JAWS sees as Links and will bring up in the links list, then I can use B to move to each button.  In Chrome, these tab labels do not come up as links and I have to find them in other ways that are more clunky and seems to trigger Forms mode. 

 

Is this expected?  I’m surprised that the same elements on a page would be rendered so differently in different browsers.  I’m really trying to embrace Chrome, but find some web coding more clunky and in the case of my time keeping system, not seemingly accessible.  Would Firefox really render this another way that could potentially work better with JAWS?  I’ll have to ask for an exception to get Firefox installed and not even sure if it will be an improvement. 

 

Thoughts?

 

Robin Van Lant, Sr. Program Manager - Sales Enablement

Key Equipment Finance & Key Institutional Bank

720-304-1060

 

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