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Re: switching to running programs
NFB Lab 4
Are you holding down the alt key while you press tab, or are you letting up each time?
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 1:37 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: switching to running programs
Hi, Tom. Have you tried exiting JAWS, running Narrator, and trying to ALT TAB between three or more programs? Does it work, or are you still restricted to switching between only the last two programs? If you are restricted using Narrator, it is a Windows problem, not a JAWS 2021 problem. If, indeed, JAWS is what is restricting your view of the programs with ALT TAB, I don't know what to tell you. I am using JAWS 2021, and I am not having this problem.
One thing you might try is to use the command,
JAWS key plus SPACE, followed by Z
to put you into Alternate User Directory mode. This will cause all JAWS configurations to become temporarily inactive until you perform the same command,
JAWS key plus SPACE, followed by Z
again. This will help you to determine if it is something in your JAWS user settings that is causing this restriction in switching between programs.
Bill White
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of T. Civitello
I have a slight problem. If I have more than 2 programs running and I try to switch to the 3rd or 4th program with alt, tab I can only switch to the first 2 programs that are running. Using insert F10 I can see all 4 running programs and switch to the one I want to use. Makes it difficult when I am paying bills and have running the bank, Jaws and my bills paid document. Every time I switch to see what and how much the net bill is I have tuse insert F10 to switch to the bills paid document. Never was this way till Jaws 2021. How do I get back to where I can alt tab to all the open programs. Thanks Tom
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Access to network licence via VPN
Jacob
Hi!
In the job we use network licences for JAWS and ZoomText. It works fine but if a client leave the building the licence is ofcourse lost. Does any one know if it's possible to get access to a licence if I install a VPN server on the PC that host the licence server? Then the clients can connect via VPN when they're out of range on our wifi to grab a licence. Also one more important question. If it's possible will it be legal then? The meaning is ofcourse only to give access to the licences for our own PC's. OZ0TE Jacob
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Re: switching to running programs
Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
Hi, Tom. Have you tried exiting JAWS, running Narrator, and trying to ALT TAB between three or more programs? Does it work, or are you still restricted to switching between only the last two programs? If you are restricted using Narrator, it is a Windows problem, not a JAWS 2021 problem. If, indeed, JAWS is what is restricting your view of the programs with ALT TAB, I don't know what to tell you. I am using JAWS 2021, and I am not having this problem.
One thing you might try is to use the command,
JAWS key plus SPACE, followed by Z
to put you into Alternate User Directory mode. This will cause all JAWS configurations to become temporarily inactive until you perform the same command,
JAWS key plus SPACE, followed by Z
again. This will help you to determine if it is something in your JAWS user settings that is causing this restriction in switching between programs.
Bill White billwhite92701@...
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of T. Civitello
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 10:06 PM To: jfw@groups.io Subject: switching to running programs
I have a slight problem. If I have more than 2 programs running and I try to switch to the 3rd or 4th program with alt, tab I can only switch to the first 2 programs that are running. Using insert F10 I can see all 4 running programs and switch to the one I want to use. Makes it difficult when I am paying bills and have running the bank, Jaws and my bills paid document. Every time I switch to see what and how much the net bill is I have tuse insert F10 to switch to the bills paid document. Never was this way till Jaws 2021. How do I get back to where I can alt tab to all the open programs. Thanks Tom
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switching to running programs
T. Civitello
I have a slight problem. If I have more than 2 programs running and I try
to switch to the 3rd or 4th program with alt, tab I can only switch to the first
2 programs that are running. Using insert F10 I can see all 4
running programs and switch to the one I want to use. Makes it difficult when I
am paying bills and have running the bank, Jaws and my bills paid document.
Every time I switch to see what and how much the net bill is I have tuse
insert F10 to switch to the bills paid document. Never was this way till Jaws
2021. How do I get back to where I can alt tab to all the open programs.
Thanks Tom
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Re: JAWS 2021
Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
Simply a bit of reduction in verbage, most of us know which version of Jaws they have so I quite like it that all it says is "Jaws", if you don't know which version you have you can go to Jaws > About as was suggested.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Pastor Gilbert Pries
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 2:00 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: JAWS 2021
Yes, I've noticed this. However, when you go to the about jaws, it says home edition. Pastor Gilbert
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Andrew Summers via groups.io
Hi, Has anyone noticed with JAWS 2021, when you boot your computer, or you unload and reload JAWS, it says the word JAWS. JAWS 2020 says JAWS home edition. If you alt tab to the JAWS window, then it will say JAWS home edition.
Andrew
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Re: Excel 2007
Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
The problem with going back to Jaws 18 or Jaws 2018 is that if he has a relatively new version of Windows 10 there could be other issues. The advice to upgrade Office is really the best here, Office 2010 has been long unsupported let alone Office 2007.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Cohn, Jonathan via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 3:20 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Excel 2007
The other option is to try JAWS 18, or JAWS 19 as these versions of JAWS were written more closely to the date of the version of Excel you want to use. There have been significant changes to Outlook products to improve security and prevent rogue scripts from effecting your system, however this means that JAWS had to completely revanp their way they talk to Outlook products in the last few years.
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Typing in grade 2 problem fixed
Hi folks,
I have no idea how it happened. I don't know what I changed that fixed things, but I am now able to type in grade 2 braille using JFW and Thunderbird. Since I'm not sure what fixed things, I hope it doesn't revert on me. ~Ann
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How Can I Copy a Link inside Zoom Chat with JAWS?
Rick Miller
Dear Listers:
Every Sunday during an online Zoom meeting with people from church, the host puts a list of questions for us to consider when in breakout rooms. The questions are in Googledocs, and the link to the questions is always inside Zoom chat. I don’t know if there is a way that this list of questions in Googledocs can be copied from within the chat list and then opened up afterwards. Have any of you ever been faced with this problem, and what did you do about it?
Rick Miller
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Re: smart word reading
Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
Hi, Don. Here is what the option on Smart Reading says:
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Select this check box to have JAWS read the entire text unit, such as a compound word, telephone number, date, time, or math equation, when using the Say Word command. Note: Cursor movement is controlled by the application. So, if Microsoft Word's cursor normally navigates the entire text unit as one word or number, then the text is read in the same way. Likewise, if an application, such as WordPad, navigates through each component of the text unit, then JAWS will read it the same way. This check box is selected by default. Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 5:02 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: smart word reading Can't find any info in the jaws help files regarding smart word reading. What does this setting do?
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Re: Jaws and web tables
Ann Byrne
Alt-ctrl_5 reads the current cell, not the table.
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Ctrl-Windows-comma reads the column. Ctrl-windows-period reads the row. Alt-ctrl and the arrow keys move from cell to cell--right, left, up, and down. Alt-ctrl-end reads the last cell. Alt-ctrl-home reads the first cell. Alt-end reads the last cell in the row. Alt-home reads the first cell in the row.
At 02:08 PM 11/19/2020, you wrote:
OK I have a web page that has a table I am trying to read. It says in the Jaws documentation that control alt numpad 5 is supposed to read the table info. I find it does not. All I want is to be read the entire table of info using Jaws 2021 on a Win 10 20h2 system with either Google chrome or Edge.
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Re: magic and jaws reading a certain website
Stan Holdeman
Thank you, Bill. I eagerly await my morning paper to check it out.
Stan
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Bill White
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 6:15 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: magic and jaws reading a certain website
Hi, Stan. The JAWS feature for which you are searching is Mouse Echo. This is accomplished in the following way,
1. Press JAWS key plus SPACE, followed by the letter E.
Then perform one of the following commands.
The following commands are available in the Mouse Echo layer.
Bill White
From:
main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Stan Holdeman
Richard: I should of focused my question better.
With J2020 and Magic running, as I pulled the mouse pointer over the text in a story panel, Jaws read the contents of that story panel. What enabled Jaws to read that text? There must be a way to enable Jaws to read the text with or without Magic.
Stan
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Richard Turner
I do not have an answer about the newspaper panels, but it sounds like Vispero has reached the point of requiring folks to use Fusion which is Jaws plus ZoomText, rather than continuing Magic support. Of course, you will have to ask Vispero to be sure.
Richard "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert
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smart word reading
Don H
Can't find any info in the jaws help files regarding smart word reading. What does this setting do?
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Re: Outlook Braille - was APH Mantis not displaying Braile in Outlook
Shai
Hello John,
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I am using the Outlook app Office365 version installed on my computer with JAWS2021 and it is working just fine using Focus40 braille display fifth generation. I also tried it on my work computer and same result. At this point, I think that there may be an issue with your locally installed copy of JAWS. Another way to test this is by first exiting Outlook pressing insert space followed by z this will place you in the JAWS default directory similar to how JAWS came from the factory. See if Outlook is still causing an issue with your braille display once you place JAWS in this mode this is a toggle so pressing insert space z will take you back to how JAWS had been configured before.
On 11/19/20, John Gurd via groups.io <j.gurd=ntlworld.com@groups.io> wrote:
Actually it's working in the other apps I've tried including word - just --
Shai Wolman Wolman technologies (619)894-6587 Providing training to children and adults that empowers them to be productive and successful with their assistive technology/computing tasks. atvistech@gmail.com
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Re: Excel 2007
Cohn, Jonathan
The other option is to try JAWS 18, or JAWS 19 as these versions of JAWS were written more closely to the date of the version of Excel you want to use. There have been significant changes to Outlook products to improve security and prevent rogue scripts from effecting your system, however this means that JAWS had to completely revanp their way they talk to Outlook products in the last few years.
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Re: Jaws and web tables
Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
Hi, Don. The way I get JAWS to read an entire table is with JAWS key plus Down Arrow, which is "Say All".
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Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 12:08 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Jaws and web tables OK I have a web page that has a table I am trying to read. It says in the Jaws documentation that control alt numpad 5 is supposed to read the table info. I find it does not. All I want is to be read the entire table of info using Jaws 2021 on a Win 10 20h2 system with either Google chrome or Edge.
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Re: magic and jaws reading a certain website
Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
Hi, Stan. The JAWS feature for which you are searching is Mouse Echo. This is accomplished in the following way,
1. Press JAWS key plus SPACE, followed by the letter E.
Then perform one of the following commands.
The following commands are available in the Mouse Echo layer.
Bill White billwhite92701@...
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Stan Holdeman
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 11:11 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: magic and jaws reading a certain website
Richard: I should of focused my question better.
With J2020 and Magic running, as I pulled the mouse pointer over the text in a story panel, Jaws read the contents of that story panel. What enabled Jaws to read that text? There must be a way to enable Jaws to read the text with or without Magic.
Stan
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
I do not have an answer about the newspaper panels, but it sounds like Vispero has reached the point of requiring folks to use Fusion which is Jaws plus ZoomText, rather than continuing Magic support. Of course, you will have to ask Vispero to be sure.
Richard "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert
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Re: Jaws and web tables
Cohn, Jonathan
Hello,
Are you attempting to get all information about a table in one shot? Perhaps you can give an example of a site you often visit that is public, and what you would like to review. JAWS has smart table navigation and a dedicated table navigation mode along with features to change the table header information, from what is defined in the table. So JAWS can be very powerful with tables especially if you use a braille display. Jonathan
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Re: Outlook Braille - was APH Mantis not displaying Braile in Outlook
John Gurd
Actually it’s working in the other apps I’ve tried including word – just not Outlook. And in fact it’s not just my Mantis, it’s my Focus 40. So it appears it might be something to do with settings. I’ve checked Structured mode is on and Braille Sleep is not enabled. It’s the same in Bluetooth and in the USB connection. I’ve loaded the Outlook specific settings with Insert 6 and all looks okay as far as I can tell.
John
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Mote
Sent: 19 November 2020 22:31 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: APH Mantis not displaying Braile in Outlook
Hi all. Just an observation. Have you verified that your Mantice is being seen by the PC. Usually, when you install a braille display, you can see the info in your device manager. Have you checked there? Also, I’m wondering if the Narrator braille is blocking your access to braille. If braille is installed there, it may be interfering with JAWS and any other screen reader for that matter.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Gurd via groups.io
Thanks Debbie, I’ve checked, and I am in Structured Mode. I merged my settings from earlier and I’ve checked. I’m using the USB connection. I’ll try Bluetooth on the off-chance, although I doubt it will make a difference. This really is very strange.
John
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Hi John,
Did you export your settings from JAWS 2020 to JAWS 2021? If not then it could still be the structured mode issue. The reason I say this is because I am typing this on my Mantis by using a Bluetooth connection to my pc, JAWS 2021, and Outlook 2016 and all is working just fine.
Good luck!
Debby
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Gurd via groups.io
Actually, I just tried my Focus 40, 4th gen, and it’s doing the same thing. I’m using Office 365. But when I load JFW 2020 it works perfectly. So it is an issue connected with JFW 2021. I’ve just made certain the Braille Sleep mode is not enabled for Outlook, and it is not.
John
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Hi John,
This sounds very strange. Just a couple of questions. How are you connected to the PC, via usb or Bluetooth? Which version of office are you using? In outlook do you have JAWS speech? What happens on the Mantis display in Outlook—do you see the cursor blinking?
I just had a thought, are you in JAWS braille structured mode for Outlook? That’s one setting that I have missed in the past when setting up a braille display. Outlook doesn’t work well without it.
Good Luck! Take care and stay safe!
Debby From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Gurd via groups.io
I’ve just connected an APH Mantis to my PC and it seems to work fine, except when in Outlook where thee Braille display stops working. It works fine in Word and Windows. I’m running JFW 2021 on Windows 10 version 2004.
There’s no Braille as I write this and none anywhere else in Outlook. If I Alt-Tab into Edge it starts working. Does anyone have a possible explanation or are any other Mantis users experiencing this?
John
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More on JAWS 2021 and virus software
Ken Chernack
Hi. I just realized that I had not changed the subject line in my email.
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Sorry if it caused some confusion I am talking about Jaws 2021 and virus software. Thanks. Ken
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ken Chernack via groups.io Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 11:57 AM To: Jfw main <main@jfw.groups.io> Subject: More on JAWS 2020 and virus software Hi again. I have talked to Microsoft Accessibility, Norton Help and 2 levels of Freedom Scientific/Jaws Support and I was told by ALL of them that there has been no reported issues/problems with Jaws2021 and many anti-virus (Norton, McAfee...) working together. Will the original writer of the post that said there were issues please reply to the list with more facts. At this time, I can only come to the conclusion that we could be dealing with another hoax (albeit technical). Thank you for your anticipated cooperation. Ken -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ken Chernack via groups.io Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 7:09 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: JAWS 2020 and virus software Will you please explain a little more about your comments? I use Norton Security for security, password management and more. I just can't forget about Norton and install Defender. I have a lifetime of work at stake. Is anyone at The Sparrow engaged with Norton to correct this bug? Please lower my blood pressure! Your, and others, help is appreciated. Ken p.s. If there is any truth to your statements, I am very happy that I have been ignoring the upgrade message I am a SMA subscriber. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Sohl Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 11:50 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: JAWS 2020 and virus software Hi for people who are having issues with JAWS 2021 and virus software such as Norton and Mcaffee, there is a solution to this problem! Apparently, from what I'm reading in the thread, the virus programs are treating JAWS like it's a Trojan ,malware or a virus. The software removes JAWS. Once they are removed, enable Windows defender and this should solve the issue. Hope this helps. -- Sent from my Windows 10 HP
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Re: APH Mantis not displaying Braile in Outlook
Michael Mote
Hi all. Just an observation. Have you verified that your Mantice is being seen by the PC. Usually, when you install a braille display, you can see the info in your device manager. Have you checked there? Also, I’m wondering if the Narrator braille is blocking your access to braille. If braille is installed there, it may be interfering with JAWS and any other screen reader for that matter.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Gurd via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 5:21 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: APH Mantis not displaying Braile in Outlook
Thanks Debbie, I’ve checked, and I am in Structured Mode. I merged my settings from earlier and I’ve checked. I’m using the USB connection. I’ll try Bluetooth on the off-chance, although I doubt it will make a difference. This really is very strange.
John
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Hi John,
Did you export your settings from JAWS 2020 to JAWS 2021? If not then it could still be the structured mode issue. The reason I say this is because I am typing this on my Mantis by using a Bluetooth connection to my pc, JAWS 2021, and Outlook 2016 and all is working just fine.
Good luck!
Debby
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Gurd via groups.io
Actually, I just tried my Focus 40, 4th gen, and it’s doing the same thing. I’m using Office 365. But when I load JFW 2020 it works perfectly. So it is an issue connected with JFW 2021. I’ve just made certain the Braille Sleep mode is not enabled for Outlook, and it is not.
John
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Hi John,
This sounds very strange. Just a couple of questions. How are you connected to the PC, via usb or Bluetooth? Which version of office are you using? In outlook do you have JAWS speech? What happens on the Mantis display in Outlook—do you see the cursor blinking?
I just had a thought, are you in JAWS braille structured mode for Outlook? That’s one setting that I have missed in the past when setting up a braille display. Outlook doesn’t work well without it.
Good Luck! Take care and stay safe!
Debby From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Gurd via groups.io
I’ve just connected an APH Mantis to my PC and it seems to work fine, except when in Outlook where thee Braille display stops working. It works fine in Word and Windows. I’m running JFW 2021 on Windows 10 version 2004.
There’s no Braille as I write this and none anywhere else in Outlook. If I Alt-Tab into Edge it starts working. Does anyone have a possible explanation or are any other Mantis users experiencing this?
John
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