On Nov 18, 2020, at 10:10 AM, Van Lant, Robin via groups.io <Robin_Van_Lant=Key.com@groups.io> wrote:

Joseph,
Those of us using JAWS at a company cannot use the annual home license anyway. We have to use the Professional version.

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 11:22 PM
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Subject: Re: Issues with Jaws ndwindows 10,

Milton, what I was suggesting below, was him speaking with his employer about getting the $90 subscription. Whether it had to be done through an administrator or himself.

On Nov 15, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Milton Ota <mota1252@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello Listers,

RE: tele1974@gmail.com

He has been responded to and his situation will not be able to be solved by this list or tech support at Freedom Scientific. The individual works for a Federal Government Agency and the individual does not have Admin Rights so he cannot update the computer no matter if he was able to purchase a one year license to get the latest copy of JAWS and install it. The individual has to speak with his Supervisor and the IT Department to unlock the computer so that he has Admin Rights or get the IT Admin to work with him to resolve the problem he is having.

There is no need to respond to him or the list at this time.




-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph
Hudson
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 5:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Issues with Jaws ndwindows 10,

Or ask your employer if you can purchase the $90 home subscription for this computer you are medically get the new versions once they are released.

On Nov 13, 2020, at 7:29 PM, Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@gmail.com> wrote:

If you are running windows 10 especially the latest versions of windows 10 jaws 18 isn’t going to play well with it. You need to ask your employer for the latest version of Jaws.

Randy Barnett

On Nov 13, 2020, at 3:07 PM, tele1974@gmail.com wrote:


Hello, I’m hoping someone has some help, I just received a windows 10 laptop through work, and we are running jaws 18. The issues I’m having are:
1, when hitting alt plus other keys, IE alt+a to go to my explorer favorites, or other similar commands, the command works maybe 25 percent of the time. Sometimes I have to repeatedly hit the command, and sometimes it just doesn’t work at all. I’ve not found this with previous versions of windows running jaws 18.

2, the other issue I have is that when I am typing into an edit field, such as a search field on a search engine, or in any other explorer based program, many of the characters I type are not entering into the box. It’s almost as if there is a lag of some kind. I will have to go back and add about half the characters I’ve typed back in, as only fragments of words show up in the box.
I’m hoping this makes sense and that someone may have some suggestions.
Thanks,
Kurt

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Insert space bar did not help.

On 11/18/2020 4:45 PM, Ann Byrne wrote:

the other thing to try is the layered keystroke, insert+spacebar, then t. You can use the arrow keys to move around the table in this mode, but pressing tab, ctrl, or alt will take you out of the layered mode.
At 04:38 PM 11/18/2020, you wrote:

Thanks that works. A little more complicated than what I am used to using NVDA.

On 11/18/2020 4:33 PM, Van Lant, Robin via groups.io wrote:

Does it work if you use Control alt and the arrow keys to move between sells?

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OK I have decided that since I am paying for the Jaws SMA's I will finally start learning how to use Jaws. I have Jaws version 2021 and Win 10 20h2 and am using microsoft edge.
There is a table on the ups web site to track a shipment that shows current status. When I use NVDA I can arrow down through this table and it reads me the information. With Jaws it just tells me the info of the table rows and colums but does not read the contents of the bable. What am I doing wrong with jaws to read the info?
Thanks



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the other thing to try is the layered keystroke, insert+spacebar, then t.  You can use the arrow keys to move around the table in this mode, but pressing tab, ctrl, or alt will take you out of the layered mode.
At 04:38 PM 11/18/2020, you wrote:

Thanks that works.  A little more complicated than what I am used to using NVDA.

On 11/18/2020 4:33 PM, Van Lant, Robin via groups.io wrote:

Does it work if you use Control alt and the arrow keys to move between sells?

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OK I have decided that since I am paying for the Jaws SMA's I will finally start learning how to use Jaws.  I have Jaws version 2021 and Win 10 20h2 and am using microsoft edge.
There is a table on the ups web site to track a shipment that shows current status.  When I use NVDA I can arrow down through this table and it reads me the information.  With Jaws it just tells me the info of the table rows and colums but does not read the contents of the bable.  What am I doing wrong with jaws to read the info?
Thanks



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Thanks that works. A little more complicated than what I am used to using NVDA.

On 11/18/2020 4:33 PM, Van Lant, Robin via groups.io wrote:

Does it work if you use Control alt and the arrow keys to move between sells?

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OK I have decided that since I am paying for the Jaws SMA's I will finally start learning how to use Jaws. I have Jaws version 2021 and Win 10 20h2 and am using microsoft edge.
There is a table on the ups web site to track a shipment that shows current status. When I use NVDA I can arrow down through this table and it reads me the information. With Jaws it just tells me the info of the table rows and colums but does not read the contents of the bable. What am I doing wrong with jaws to read the info?
Thanks



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Does it work if you use Control alt and the arrow keys to move between sells?
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OK I have decided that since I am paying for the Jaws SMA's I will finally start learning how to use Jaws. I have Jaws version 2021 and Win 10 20h2 and am using microsoft edge.
There is a table on the ups web site to track a shipment that shows current status. When I use NVDA I can arrow down through this table and it reads me the information. With Jaws it just tells me the info of the table rows and colums but does not read the contents of the bable. What am I doing wrong with jaws to read the info?
Thanks
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On Nov 18, 2020, at 2:44 PM, Gerald Levy via groups.io <bwaylimited@...> wrote:



That's now.  But starting in January, an SMA will jump from $150 to $210, so a two-year license at $180 would be cheaper.

Gerald

On 11/18/2020 2:34 PM, NFB Lab 4 wrote:

If you have an SM a, the best thing to do is keep it up-to-date. If you ever let it lapse, or go to the home annual license, you will end up spending more money. $90 times two is 180. Where as the SMA for two years is currently $150.
If you switch to the home annual license and decide not to renew it, you will then be downgraded to the demo 40 minute version.

On Nov 18, 2020, at 2:22 PM, Richard Turner <richardturner42@...> wrote:

If memory serves, and that could be a big if, let's say you have a SMA through 2023.
You decide to skip 2024 and want to get a full license for 2025 and 26, you have to still pay for 2024.
I still like the SMA approach, but at some point, I may decide to switch if the annual purchase stays at $90 per year because by 2024, that will be more cost effective.
But, not even the Shadow knows if that price will stay the same ....



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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 11:19 AM
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Subject: Re: Jaws annual subscription

If you switch to the subscription license of JAWS, that is a non-perpetual license that must be purchased and renewed every year. You can still purchase a full license with an SMA and get a perpetual license for that version of JAWS and use it for as long as you like. It won't expire whether you choose to keep purchasing an SMA or not. As Windows continues to be updated and your various programs such as Office 365 continue to be updated, how effective the older version of JAWS will remain might be an issue.

Alan Lemly

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Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 12:28 PM
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Subject: Re: Jaws annual subscription

The same is true if your SMA runs out, according to a rep at Vispero.  I had the 20 version, if I did not renew my SMA because it had run out, I could still use JAWS 20.  The kicker is though, from what I can remember, if in a few years 20 was out of date as in not working properly because of the upgrades in technology, I'd have to pay for each succeeding upgrade.  Others can refute that if they want.  I don't know everything and don't mind being corrected.  Providing of course the person has factual info, not their own idea.  "You should ... it could ..." Yes, I did renew my SMA at $165 and do have the 21.   

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Sent: November 18, 2020 9:53 AM
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Subject: Re: Jaws annual subscription

When your subscription runs out you no longer have access for that version of  JAWS. If you have the SMA you keep those version as long as you wish to use  them.
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Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 12:32 PM
Subject: Jaws annual subscription


OK I have a full licensed copy of Jaws home edition and have been keeping it  up to date with a SMA.  Lets say I don't purchase another SMA but go for the  annual $90 subscription.  What happens at the end of that subscription if I  don't purchase another subscription?  Do I lose the use of what was a full  license copy?

If you have an SM a, the best thing to do is keep it up-to-date. If you ever let it lapse, or go to the home annual license, you will end up spending more money. $90 times two is 180. Where as the SMA for two years is currently $150.
If you switch to the home annual license and decide not to renew it, you will then be downgraded to the demo 40 minute version.

On Nov 18, 2020, at 2:22 PM, Richard Turner <richardturner42@...> wrote:

If memory serves, and that could be a big if, let's say you have a SMA through 2023.
You decide to skip 2024 and want to get a full license for 2025 and 26, you have to still pay for 2024.
I still like the SMA approach, but at some point, I may decide to switch if the annual purchase stays at $90 per year because by 2024, that will be more cost effective.
But, not even the Shadow knows if that price will stay the same ....



Richard
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There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
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Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

*I’m not the card shark

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 11:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws annual subscription

If you switch to the subscription license of JAWS, that is a non-perpetual license that must be purchased and renewed every year. You can still purchase a full license with an SMA and get a perpetual license for that version of JAWS and use it for as long as you like. It won't expire whether you choose to keep purchasing an SMA or not. As Windows continues to be updated and your various programs such as Office 365 continue to be updated, how effective the older version of JAWS will remain might be an issue.

Alan Lemly

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 12:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws annual subscription

The same is true if your SMA runs out, according to a rep at Vispero.  I had the 20 version, if I did not renew my SMA because it had run out, I could still use JAWS 20.  The kicker is though, from what I can remember, if in a few years 20 was out of date as in not working properly because of the upgrades in technology, I'd have to pay for each succeeding upgrade.  Others can refute that if they want.  I don't know everything and don't mind being corrected.  Providing of course the person has factual info, not their own idea.  "You should ... it could ..." Yes, I did renew my SMA at $165 and do have the 21.   

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: November 18, 2020 9:53 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws annual subscription

When your subscription runs out you no longer have access for that version of  JAWS. If you have the SMA you keep those version as long as you wish to use  them.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don H" <lmddh50@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 12:32 PM
Subject: Jaws annual subscription


OK I have a full licensed copy of Jaws home edition and have been keeping it  up to date with a SMA.  Lets say I don't purchase another SMA but go for the  annual $90 subscription.  What happens at the end of that subscription if I  don't purchase another subscription?  Do I lose the use of what was a full  license copy?