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moderated Re: questions about jaws versions

Deb and the girls
 

I will.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 8:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: questions about jaws versions

 

While you may hear a listing twice, you cannot have two versions of the same jaws version unless something got corrupted.Did you look at the folders on your c drive in the Program Data folder?

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert



On Nov 16, 2020, at 6:24 AM, Deb and the girls <debsoundandscent@...> wrote:

In the list of default programs.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 12:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: questions about jaws versions

Why do you think you have 2 versions of Jaws 2020, where do you see this?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Deb and the girls
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 10:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: questions about jaws versions

       I seem to have two jaws 20 versions loaded on my laptop.  I
just deleted jaws 18 and 19 from my laptop successfully.  If I deleted the
earlier version of jaws 20, would the other one disappear as well?  Please
respond asap!
debsoundandscent@...
Thanks
Deb Ver Steeg

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 12:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws command question

Actually, you have to be on speech on demand and then press Jaws Key +
Spacebar followed by Shift + S and you then hear "Speech off set to speech
mute".
At that point Jaws is completely muted and Jaws Key + Spacebar followed by S
will restore ful lspeech.
I was almost certain earlier when I tried this Jaws Key + Spacebar followed
by Shift + S worked directly, but now I am also getting the message "not
available in full speech mode" and I have to first go to speech on demand
before I can use the layered keystroke with Shift + S to fully mute Jaws.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 9:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws command question

I tried this out:
When I press jaws and space bar and then shift s I get not available in full
speech mode.
Why?
Sharon

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 12:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws command question

Just a bit more about Full speech, speech on demand and speech muted:
As Jasmine pointed out, pressing Jaws Key + Spacebar followed by S invokes
Speech on Demand which limits what Jaws will speak and it is something
braille display users often use because they want less speech, but still
some speech.
If you want to mute Jaws entirely, you can do this by pressing Jaws Key +
Spacebar followed by Shift + S As soon as you press this key combination
Jaws will be totally muted until you again press Jaws Key + Spacebar
followed by S which restores full speech.

As for the keyboard shortcut which didn't work to bring up Jaws, you should
first go to your Jaws shortcut on the desktop, press Alt + Enter to bring up
the properties and tab twice to check if somehow the keyboard shortcut you
set was removed. If you hear the following:
Shortcut key: Hot key‑
Control + Alt + J
To define the hotkey Type the keystroke combination.
Then your keyboard shortcut is set, if so not sure why it didn't work, but
as Brian suggested, maybe delete it and reassign it. Personally I prefer
Control + Shift + J, somehow I find it easier to press that key combination
than Control + Alt + J, but that is very subjective.
Also keep in mind that reloading Jaws is not instant, when I just tried it
it took about 7 or 8 seconds before Jaws started speaking after I pressed
the keyboard shortcut.

One alternative to bring up Jaws was already given, press Windows + R and
type Jaws2021 (or whatever your version is), make sure you don't insert a
space between Jaws and the version number, it has to be all without spaces.
You can also press Windows Key + M, I often do it twice just to be sure,
this minimizes all programs and takes me to the desktop. As long as Jaws is
the only shortcut you have which starts with J you can then just press J and
enter and Jaws should also start.
Lastly, if you are using Windows 10, you should be able to simply press the
Windows key to bring up the search box and type "JFW" which is the name of
the program file, jfw.exe. Don't include the .exe, just type JFW and press
enter, for me this also starts Jaws. This would, however, potentially be a
problem on a machine with 2 or more Jaws versions since the application
files are all called JFW.exe. I assume it would still work, but which
version of Jaws you get is probably anybody's guess. But if as you say you
only have 1 Jaws version on your computer this should also work and strictly
by how many keys you have to press it is easier than Windows Key + R and
typing Jaws2021 or Jaws2020.

Best regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 4:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws command question

Insert+ , then s is a toggle between speak on command or full speech.
While watching a video, use insert+space then s and jaws will be silent
unless you press a reading command like insert+up arrow.
When the video is done, press insert+space then s again and Jaws will say
full speech and you'll be back in business.

There was something odd going on with Jaws 2019 and 2020 on my system where
none of the hotkeys on my desktop worked.
So far with Jaws 2021 they are working again.
Otherwise, the Windows+r then JawsXXXX where the x's are replaced with your
jaws version works quite well.



Richard
"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of
flying.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in
learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

Check out my web site at: https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cfe27b5d0e38e438e1e9008d88a3b44cf%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637411334448933116%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=a4GiJx3Iv3MJXC5HoAMUb%2B2vhcU9wDced6kWO3zu1Ws%3D&amp;reserved=0

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 4:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws command question

No Jasmin, I only have the one version. Does this command (insert space s)
just mute Jaws, or would it mute the speech in the video that I'm watching
as well?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: November 14, 2020 6:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws command question

Hi, Madison,
To help you better, I have a couple of questions for you. First, do you have
any other versions of JAWS on your computer? If so, it may be that the
shortcut is only set for the previous version. Another thing is that if you
want to mute speech, you can press Insert+Space, then the letter S. Hope
this helps!

Sincerely,
Jasmine

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 4:03 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws command question

Hi all,
Today I was watching a Youtube video, and Jaws kept talking so I couldn't
hear the people in the video very well. So I turned Jaws using insert f4.
Well after the video was finished I tried to turn Jaws on using control alt
j, but it didn't work, my Dad had to click on Jaws. Now I know I have the
command set, so I'm not sure why it doesn't work. Any ideas? Is there any
other way I can turn Jaws on myself? If Jaws isn't working then my Braille
display doesn't work either (not sure if this is normal or not) so I don't
even know where I am.
I hardly ever turn Jaws off, but I'd still like to know why the command to
turn it on doesn't work. Running Jaws 2018. Look forward to any suggestions
anyone can provide!! Thanks Madison





















































moderated Re: getting Jaws on the desktop

Dave Durber
 

Chris:

The short cut keystroke to open the properties for any file or folder is ALT+ENTER.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Hill" <hillco@earthlink.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: getting Jaws on the desktop


If it isn't on the desktop, the shortcut key likely won't work. To create the shortcut do the following.

hit windows+r and type shell:appsfolder and press enter


Now, find your version of jaws, hit the applications key and choose create shortcut. windows will complain and ask if you would like to put the shortcut on the desktop instead. Do that and you're done. You can right click on your new shortcut and choose properties, in there you will find where to put the shortcut key. When you're in the edit box, hit the key combination you want and then tab to okay.


Hope this helps.


CH



On 11/15/2020 12:54, Madison Martin wrote:
Hi all,
I went to my desktop and the Jaws shortcut doesn't seem to be on there. I went
into the search box and found Jaws, but when I pressed shift f10 to create a
shortcut I got 5 options:
Run as administrator
Open file location
Unpin from taskbar
Pin to start
Uninstall

Can someone please tell me, what other way (s) can I create a shortcut for Jaws
on my desktop? Even though you've all provided me with other ways to start Jaws,
I'd still like to check and see if my shortcut key is still set or not. Thanks
Madison







moderated Re: questions about jaws versions

Richard Turner
 

While you may hear a listing twice, you cannot have two versions of the same jaws version unless something got corrupted.Did you look at the folders on your c drive in the Program Data folder?



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Nov 16, 2020, at 6:24 AM, Deb and the girls <debsoundandscent@...> wrote:

In the list of default programs.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 12:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: questions about jaws versions

Why do you think you have 2 versions of Jaws 2020, where do you see this?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Deb and the girls
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 10:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: questions about jaws versions

       I seem to have two jaws 20 versions loaded on my laptop.  I
just deleted jaws 18 and 19 from my laptop successfully.  If I deleted the
earlier version of jaws 20, would the other one disappear as well?  Please
respond asap!
debsoundandscent@...
Thanks
Deb Ver Steeg

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 12:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws command question

Actually, you have to be on speech on demand and then press Jaws Key +
Spacebar followed by Shift + S and you then hear "Speech off set to speech
mute".
At that point Jaws is completely muted and Jaws Key + Spacebar followed by S
will restore ful lspeech.
I was almost certain earlier when I tried this Jaws Key + Spacebar followed
by Shift + S worked directly, but now I am also getting the message "not
available in full speech mode" and I have to first go to speech on demand
before I can use the layered keystroke with Shift + S to fully mute Jaws.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 9:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws command question

I tried this out:
When I press jaws and space bar and then shift s I get not available in full
speech mode.
Why?
Sharon

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 12:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws command question

Just a bit more about Full speech, speech on demand and speech muted:
As Jasmine pointed out, pressing Jaws Key + Spacebar followed by S invokes
Speech on Demand which limits what Jaws will speak and it is something
braille display users often use because they want less speech, but still
some speech.
If you want to mute Jaws entirely, you can do this by pressing Jaws Key +
Spacebar followed by Shift + S As soon as you press this key combination
Jaws will be totally muted until you again press Jaws Key + Spacebar
followed by S which restores full speech.

As for the keyboard shortcut which didn't work to bring up Jaws, you should
first go to your Jaws shortcut on the desktop, press Alt + Enter to bring up
the properties and tab twice to check if somehow the keyboard shortcut you
set was removed. If you hear the following:
Shortcut key: Hot key
Control + Alt + J
To define the hotkey Type the keystroke combination.
Then your keyboard shortcut is set, if so not sure why it didn't work, but
as Brian suggested, maybe delete it and reassign it. Personally I prefer
Control + Shift + J, somehow I find it easier to press that key combination
than Control + Alt + J, but that is very subjective.
Also keep in mind that reloading Jaws is not instant, when I just tried it
it took about 7 or 8 seconds before Jaws started speaking after I pressed
the keyboard shortcut.

One alternative to bring up Jaws was already given, press Windows + R and
type Jaws2021 (or whatever your version is), make sure you don't insert a
space between Jaws and the version number, it has to be all without spaces.
You can also press Windows Key + M, I often do it twice just to be sure,
this minimizes all programs and takes me to the desktop. As long as Jaws is
the only shortcut you have which starts with J you can then just press J and
enter and Jaws should also start.
Lastly, if you are using Windows 10, you should be able to simply press the
Windows key to bring up the search box and type "JFW" which is the name of
the program file, jfw.exe. Don't include the .exe, just type JFW and press
enter, for me this also starts Jaws. This would, however, potentially be a
problem on a machine with 2 or more Jaws versions since the application
files are all called JFW.exe. I assume it would still work, but which
version of Jaws you get is probably anybody's guess. But if as you say you
only have 1 Jaws version on your computer this should also work and strictly
by how many keys you have to press it is easier than Windows Key + R and
typing Jaws2021 or Jaws2020.

Best regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 4:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws command question

Insert+ , then s is a toggle between speak on command or full speech.
While watching a video, use insert+space then s and jaws will be silent
unless you press a reading command like insert+up arrow.
When the video is done, press insert+space then s again and Jaws will say
full speech and you'll be back in business.

There was something odd going on with Jaws 2019 and 2020 on my system where
none of the hotkeys on my desktop worked.
So far with Jaws 2021 they are working again.
Otherwise, the Windows+r then JawsXXXX where the x's are replaced with your
jaws version works quite well.



Richard
"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of
flying.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in
learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

Check out my web site at: https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cfe27b5d0e38e438e1e9008d88a3b44cf%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637411334448933116%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=a4GiJx3Iv3MJXC5HoAMUb%2B2vhcU9wDced6kWO3zu1Ws%3D&amp;reserved=0

*I'm not the card shark

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 4:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws command question

No Jasmin, I only have the one version. Does this command (insert space s)
just mute Jaws, or would it mute the speech in the video that I'm watching
as well?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: November 14, 2020 6:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws command question

Hi, Madison,
To help you better, I have a couple of questions for you. First, do you have
any other versions of JAWS on your computer? If so, it may be that the
shortcut is only set for the previous version. Another thing is that if you
want to mute speech, you can press Insert+Space, then the letter S. Hope
this helps!

Sincerely,
Jasmine

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 4:03 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws command question

Hi all,
Today I was watching a Youtube video, and Jaws kept talking so I couldn't
hear the people in the video very well. So I turned Jaws using insert f4.
Well after the video was finished I tried to turn Jaws on using control alt
j, but it didn't work, my Dad had to click on Jaws. Now I know I have the
command set, so I'm not sure why it doesn't work. Any ideas? Is there any
other way I can turn Jaws on myself? If Jaws isn't working then my Braille
display doesn't work either (not sure if this is normal or not) so I don't
even know where I am.
I hardly ever turn Jaws off, but I'd still like to know why the command to
turn it on doesn't work. Running Jaws 2018. Look forward to any suggestions
anyone can provide!! Thanks Madison






















































moderated Re: questions about jaws versions

Deb and the girls
 

In the list of default programs.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 12:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: questions about jaws versions

Why do you think you have 2 versions of Jaws 2020, where do you see this?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Deb and the girls
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 10:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: questions about jaws versions

I seem to have two jaws 20 versions loaded on my laptop. I
just deleted jaws 18 and 19 from my laptop successfully. If I deleted the
earlier version of jaws 20, would the other one disappear as well? Please
respond asap!
debsoundandscent@earthlink.net
Thanks
Deb Ver Steeg

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 12:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws command question

Actually, you have to be on speech on demand and then press Jaws Key +
Spacebar followed by Shift + S and you then hear "Speech off set to speech
mute".
At that point Jaws is completely muted and Jaws Key + Spacebar followed by S
will restore ful lspeech.
I was almost certain earlier when I tried this Jaws Key + Spacebar followed
by Shift + S worked directly, but now I am also getting the message "not
available in full speech mode" and I have to first go to speech on demand
before I can use the layered keystroke with Shift + S to fully mute Jaws.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 9:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws command question

I tried this out:
When I press jaws and space bar and then shift s I get not available in full
speech mode.
Why?
Sharon

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 12:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws command question

Just a bit more about Full speech, speech on demand and speech muted:
As Jasmine pointed out, pressing Jaws Key + Spacebar followed by S invokes
Speech on Demand which limits what Jaws will speak and it is something
braille display users often use because they want less speech, but still
some speech.
If you want to mute Jaws entirely, you can do this by pressing Jaws Key +
Spacebar followed by Shift + S As soon as you press this key combination
Jaws will be totally muted until you again press Jaws Key + Spacebar
followed by S which restores full speech.

As for the keyboard shortcut which didn't work to bring up Jaws, you should
first go to your Jaws shortcut on the desktop, press Alt + Enter to bring up
the properties and tab twice to check if somehow the keyboard shortcut you
set was removed. If you hear the following:
Shortcut key: Hot key
Control + Alt + J
To define the hotkey Type the keystroke combination.
Then your keyboard shortcut is set, if so not sure why it didn't work, but
as Brian suggested, maybe delete it and reassign it. Personally I prefer
Control + Shift + J, somehow I find it easier to press that key combination
than Control + Alt + J, but that is very subjective.
Also keep in mind that reloading Jaws is not instant, when I just tried it
it took about 7 or 8 seconds before Jaws started speaking after I pressed
the keyboard shortcut.

One alternative to bring up Jaws was already given, press Windows + R and
type Jaws2021 (or whatever your version is), make sure you don't insert a
space between Jaws and the version number, it has to be all without spaces.
You can also press Windows Key + M, I often do it twice just to be sure,
this minimizes all programs and takes me to the desktop. As long as Jaws is
the only shortcut you have which starts with J you can then just press J and
enter and Jaws should also start.
Lastly, if you are using Windows 10, you should be able to simply press the
Windows key to bring up the search box and type "JFW" which is the name of
the program file, jfw.exe. Don't include the .exe, just type JFW and press
enter, for me this also starts Jaws. This would, however, potentially be a
problem on a machine with 2 or more Jaws versions since the application
files are all called JFW.exe. I assume it would still work, but which
version of Jaws you get is probably anybody's guess. But if as you say you
only have 1 Jaws version on your computer this should also work and strictly
by how many keys you have to press it is easier than Windows Key + R and
typing Jaws2021 or Jaws2020.

Best regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 4:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws command question

Insert+ , then s is a toggle between speak on command or full speech.
While watching a video, use insert+space then s and jaws will be silent
unless you press a reading command like insert+up arrow.
When the video is done, press insert+space then s again and Jaws will say
full speech and you'll be back in business.

There was something odd going on with Jaws 2019 and 2020 on my system where
none of the hotkeys on my desktop worked.
So far with Jaws 2021 they are working again.
Otherwise, the Windows+r then JawsXXXX where the x's are replaced with your
jaws version works quite well.



Richard
"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of
flying.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in
learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

*I'm not the card shark

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 4:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws command question

No Jasmin, I only have the one version. Does this command (insert space s)
just mute Jaws, or would it mute the speech in the video that I'm watching
as well?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: November 14, 2020 6:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws command question

Hi, Madison,
To help you better, I have a couple of questions for you. First, do you have
any other versions of JAWS on your computer? If so, it may be that the
shortcut is only set for the previous version. Another thing is that if you
want to mute speech, you can press Insert+Space, then the letter S. Hope
this helps!

Sincerely,
Jasmine

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 4:03 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws command question

Hi all,
Today I was watching a Youtube video, and Jaws kept talking so I couldn't
hear the people in the video very well. So I turned Jaws using insert f4.
Well after the video was finished I tried to turn Jaws on using control alt
j, but it didn't work, my Dad had to click on Jaws. Now I know I have the
command set, so I'm not sure why it doesn't work. Any ideas? Is there any
other way I can turn Jaws on myself? If Jaws isn't working then my Braille
display doesn't work either (not sure if this is normal or not) so I don't
even know where I am.
I hardly ever turn Jaws off, but I'd still like to know why the command to
turn it on doesn't work. Running Jaws 2018. Look forward to any suggestions
anyone can provide!! Thanks Madison


moderated Re: reading footnotes in a word document

Panagiotis Antonopoulos
 

Hi Justin,

I am outside word now, but while in word after hitting insert-v I simply type ui on the search box and I get it. Have not explored the actual category, but let me know if you are having difficulty, and will have a look.

                                                            Take care,

                                                            Takis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 9:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading footnotes in a word document

 

What category is it under?

 

Justin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Panagiotis Antonopoulos
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 2:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading footnotes in a word document

 

Hi Richard/all,

Kevin may have had an option called “ui” something checked, which is located in the word options of jaws. I think it’s related to office use only, but I am not sure. I found that, while that was checked, footnote numbers did not show up in text, though speech might well have read them, I usually work with a braille display, so it was absolutely essential for me to have the footnote numbers showing. Once I unchecked that box, note numbers came back as usual.

                                                            Hope this helps,

                                                            Takis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 11:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading footnotes in a word document

 

He meant just jawsKey plus v.

The main thing is looking at the footnote options to have it read.

I'm not at my computer right now to check the exact wording.

 

Richard

 

 

Software means never having to say you're finished 

 

 

On Nov 15, 2020, at 1:54 PM, kevin meyers <kman2020@...> wrote:



I pressed the jaws key, 0 and then v. That doesn’t do anything. I then pressed jaws key o and v. That didn’t do anything. When Jaws reads your text below it says jaws key zero volt. Is that some special key?

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Panagiotis Antonopoulos
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 2:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading footnotes in a word document

 

Hi Kevin-all,

The trick is, while in word, to invoke the word specific jaws settings with jawskey0v and search for “ui” this is uig or something and relates to a Microsoft setting. Uncheck the box, and make sure footnotes are set to be read in place. Then I think you will be ok.

                                                            Hope this helps,

                                                            Takis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 3:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: reading footnotes in a word document

 

Hi, I’m using the most recent version of Jaws2020 and word 2016. When just reading a word document is it possible to setup Jaws so footnotes are visable without pressing the windows key plus ;? I know when I move through the document someone else has created, I wouldn’t know there were footnotes unless I was told. I guess I could always look using the windows plus ; keys. Yet if someone is just reading a book on a recreational basis will they know there are footnotes? What about Kindle? Thanks, Kevin

 


moderated Re: reading footnotes in a word document

Panagiotis Antonopoulos
 

Have you unchecked the "uig" I think checkbox within word jaws settings?
Kindest regards, Takis

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 12:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading footnotes in a word document

I have trouble getting JAWS to read footnotes. I think they read best in
draft view.
At 03:54 PM 11/15/2020, you wrote:

I pressed the jaws key, 0 and then v. That doesn't do anything. I then
pressed jaws key o and v. That didn't do anything. When Jaws reads your
text below it says jaws key zero volt. Is that some special key?

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Panagiotis
Antonopoulos
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 2:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading footnotes in a word document



Hi Kevin-all,

The trick is, while in word, to invoke the word specific jaws settings
with jawskey0v and search for "ui" this is uig or something and relates
to a Microsoft setting. Uncheck the box, and make sure footnotes are
set to be read in place. Then I think you will be ok.

Hope this
helps,

Takis



From: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
<<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin
meyers
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 3:25 AM
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: reading footnotes in a word document



Hi, I'm using the most recent version of Jaws2020 and word 2016.
When just reading a word document is it possible to setup Jaws so
footnotes are visable without pressing the windows key plus ;? I know
when I move through the document someone else has created, I wouldn't
know there were footnotes unless I was told. I guess I could always
look using the windows plus ; keys. Yet if someone is just reading a
book on a recreational basis will they know there are footnotes? What
about Kindle? Thanks, Kevin




moderated Re: reading footnotes in a word document

Justin Williams
 

What category is it under?

 

Justin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Panagiotis Antonopoulos
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 2:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading footnotes in a word document

 

Hi Richard/all,

Kevin may have had an option called “ui” something checked, which is located in the word options of jaws. I think it’s related to office use only, but I am not sure. I found that, while that was checked, footnote numbers did not show up in text, though speech might well have read them, I usually work with a braille display, so it was absolutely essential for me to have the footnote numbers showing. Once I unchecked that box, note numbers came back as usual.

                                                            Hope this helps,

                                                            Takis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 11:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading footnotes in a word document

 

He meant just jawsKey plus v.

The main thing is looking at the footnote options to have it read.

I'm not at my computer right now to check the exact wording.

 

Richard

 

 

Software means never having to say you're finished 

 

 

On Nov 15, 2020, at 1:54 PM, kevin meyers <kman2020@...> wrote:



I pressed the jaws key, 0 and then v. That doesn’t do anything. I then pressed jaws key o and v. That didn’t do anything. When Jaws reads your text below it says jaws key zero volt. Is that some special key?

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Panagiotis Antonopoulos
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 2:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading footnotes in a word document

 

Hi Kevin-all,

The trick is, while in word, to invoke the word specific jaws settings with jawskey0v and search for “ui” this is uig or something and relates to a Microsoft setting. Uncheck the box, and make sure footnotes are set to be read in place. Then I think you will be ok.

                                                            Hope this helps,

                                                            Takis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 3:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: reading footnotes in a word document

 

Hi, I’m using the most recent version of Jaws2020 and word 2016. When just reading a word document is it possible to setup Jaws so footnotes are visable without pressing the windows key plus ;? I know when I move through the document someone else has created, I wouldn’t know there were footnotes unless I was told. I guess I could always look using the windows plus ; keys. Yet if someone is just reading a book on a recreational basis will they know there are footnotes? What about Kindle? Thanks, Kevin

 


moderated Re: reading footnotes in a word document

Panagiotis Antonopoulos
 

Hi Richard/all,

Kevin may have had an option called “ui” something checked, which is located in the word options of jaws. I think it’s related to office use only, but I am not sure. I found that, while that was checked, footnote numbers did not show up in text, though speech might well have read them, I usually work with a braille display, so it was absolutely essential for me to have the footnote numbers showing. Once I unchecked that box, note numbers came back as usual.

                                                            Hope this helps,

                                                            Takis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 11:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading footnotes in a word document

 

He meant just jawsKey plus v.

The main thing is looking at the footnote options to have it read.

I'm not at my computer right now to check the exact wording.

 

Richard

 

 

Software means never having to say you're finished 

 



On Nov 15, 2020, at 1:54 PM, kevin meyers <kman2020@...> wrote:



I pressed the jaws key, 0 and then v. That doesn’t do anything. I then pressed jaws key o and v. That didn’t do anything. When Jaws reads your text below it says jaws key zero volt. Is that some special key?

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Panagiotis Antonopoulos
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 2:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading footnotes in a word document

 

Hi Kevin-all,

The trick is, while in word, to invoke the word specific jaws settings with jawskey0v and search for “ui” this is uig or something and relates to a Microsoft setting. Uncheck the box, and make sure footnotes are set to be read in place. Then I think you will be ok.

                                                            Hope this helps,

                                                            Takis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 3:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: reading footnotes in a word document

 

Hi, I’m using the most recent version of Jaws2020 and word 2016. When just reading a word document is it possible to setup Jaws so footnotes are visable without pressing the windows key plus ;? I know when I move through the document someone else has created, I wouldn’t know there were footnotes unless I was told. I guess I could always look using the windows plus ; keys. Yet if someone is just reading a book on a recreational basis will they know there are footnotes? What about Kindle? Thanks, Kevin

 


moderated Re: reading footnotes in a word document

Panagiotis Antonopoulos
 

No Kevin, press jawskey-v while in word, then type “ui”, it’s a third letter I do not know, I think it’s a g, but ui is for sure. Uncheck that box if checked. Then go back to the search box and type “footnotes” and make sure you select the option for jaws to read their text, not just report the reference. The 0 character must have come inadvertently in my message, and I suspect I was in a non-us keyboard by accident. Sorry. Please do let me know how you are progressing with this.

                                                            Hope it helps,

                                                            Greetings from Greece,

                                                            Takis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 11:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading footnotes in a word document

 

I pressed the jaws key, 0 and then v. That doesn’t do anything. I then pressed jaws key o and v. That didn’t do anything. When Jaws reads your text below it says jaws key zero volt. Is that some special key?

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Panagiotis Antonopoulos
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 2:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading footnotes in a word document

 

Hi Kevin-all,

The trick is, while in word, to invoke the word specific jaws settings with jawskey0v and search for “ui” this is uig or something and relates to a Microsoft setting. Uncheck the box, and make sure footnotes are set to be read in place. Then I think you will be ok.

                                                            Hope this helps,

                                                            Takis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 3:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: reading footnotes in a word document

 

Hi, I’m using the most recent version of Jaws2020 and word 2016. When just reading a word document is it possible to setup Jaws so footnotes are visable without pressing the windows key plus ;? I know when I move through the document someone else has created, I wouldn’t know there were footnotes unless I was told. I guess I could always look using the windows plus ; keys. Yet if someone is just reading a book on a recreational basis will they know there are footnotes? What about Kindle? Thanks, Kevin

 


moderated Re: getting Jaws on the desktop

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Sieghard. Even if Madison is using Windows 10, one thing he/she may not
know is that in the Apps Folder (accessed through shell:AppsFolder), one
does not use the up and down arrows to navigate through the files. The files
are laid out horizontally, and navigation is accomplished by using the left
and right arrows. Because of this, the JAWS application could have been
missed, if the up and down arrows were being used as the method of
navigation in the Apps Folder.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 11:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: getting Jaws on the desktop

No offense, but maybe you are not doing something the way it is explained.
If you have Jaws installed on your computer and are using Windows 10 the
Shell:AppsFolder command will definitely show you a list which contains
Jaws.
Are you using Windows 10 or Windows 7? Don't think you said and I don't
recall if anybody asked.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 2:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: getting Jaws on the desktop

The issue with that is that Jaws isn't on that list.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Zolo
Sent: November 15, 2020 1:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: getting Jaws on the desktop

Hey there, Madison, BZ here again, grin! There's another way to do this in
windows ten. 1. Hit windows key plus r which will bring up the run dialog.
2. Type shell:appsfolder and then press enter. This will bring up a list
of all your applications. Down arrow until you hear jaws and then hit your
applications key and go down until you hear create shortcut and then press
enter. You'll get a message that will say something like do you want
windows to create a shortcut anyway and then press enter. I'm doing the
message off the top of my head so that's not the verbatim message you'll
hear but this method will create the jaws item on your desktop. If you're
not comfortable doing this and you need assistance, just let me know and
I'll be happy to help you. BZ!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Madison
Martin
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 1:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: getting Jaws on the desktop

Hi all,
I went to my desktop and the Jaws shortcut doesn't seem to be on there. I
went into the search box and found Jaws, but when I pressed shift f10 to
create a shortcut I got 5 options:
Run as administrator
Open file location
Unpin from taskbar
Pin to start
Uninstall

Can someone please tell me, what other way (s) can I create a shortcut for
Jaws on my desktop? Even though you've all provided me with other ways to
start Jaws, I'd still like to check and see if my shortcut key is still set
or not. Thanks
Madison








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moderated Re: getting Jaws on the desktop

 

No offense, but maybe you are not doing something the way it is explained. If you have Jaws installed on your computer and are using Windows 10 the Shell:AppsFolder command will definitely show you a list which contains Jaws.
Are you using Windows 10 or Windows 7? Don't think you said and I don't recall if anybody asked.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 2:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: getting Jaws on the desktop

The issue with that is that Jaws isn't on that list.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Zolo
Sent: November 15, 2020 1:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: getting Jaws on the desktop

Hey there, Madison, BZ here again, grin! There's another way to do this in windows ten. 1. Hit windows key plus r which will bring up the run dialog.
2. Type shell:appsfolder and then press enter. This will bring up a list of all your applications. Down arrow until you hear jaws and then hit your applications key and go down until you hear create shortcut and then press enter. You'll get a message that will say something like do you want windows to create a shortcut anyway and then press enter. I'm doing the message off the top of my head so that's not the verbatim message you'll hear but this method will create the jaws item on your desktop. If you're not comfortable doing this and you need assistance, just let me know and
I'll be happy to help you. BZ!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 1:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: getting Jaws on the desktop

Hi all,
I went to my desktop and the Jaws shortcut doesn't seem to be on there. I went into the search box and found Jaws, but when I pressed shift f10 to create a shortcut I got 5 options:
Run as administrator
Open file location
Unpin from taskbar
Pin to start
Uninstall

Can someone please tell me, what other way (s) can I create a shortcut for Jaws on my desktop? Even though you've all provided me with other ways to start Jaws, I'd still like to check and see if my shortcut key is still set or not. Thanks
Madison








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moderated Re: getting Jaws on the desktop

 

If I go to the Windows 10 search box and start typing "Jaws", Jaws 2021 pops up, going to that file location does not take me to the executable file for Jaws, but to the Jaws 2021 shortcut in the start menu and one could very well copy this and paste it on the desktop.

The executable for Jaws (any version) is called JFW.exe.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 11:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: getting Jaws on the desktop

 

On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 02:32 PM, Madison Martin wrote:

That didn't work.

-
And it will not work.  That's not creating a shortcut, and copying your executable out of its folder and pasting it on the desktop, even if you did it, would result in a non-functional JAWS.
 
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moderated Re: questions about jaws versions

 

Why do you think you have 2 versions of Jaws 2020, where do you see this?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Deb and the girls
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 10:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: questions about jaws versions

I seem to have two jaws 20 versions loaded on my laptop. I just deleted jaws 18 and 19 from my laptop successfully. If I deleted the earlier version of jaws 20, would the other one disappear as well? Please respond asap!
debsoundandscent@earthlink.net
Thanks
Deb Ver Steeg

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 12:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws command question

Actually, you have to be on speech on demand and then press Jaws Key + Spacebar followed by Shift + S and you then hear "Speech off set to speech mute".
At that point Jaws is completely muted and Jaws Key + Spacebar followed by S will restore ful lspeech.
I was almost certain earlier when I tried this Jaws Key + Spacebar followed by Shift + S worked directly, but now I am also getting the message "not available in full speech mode" and I have to first go to speech on demand before I can use the layered keystroke with Shift + S to fully mute Jaws.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 9:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws command question

I tried this out:
When I press jaws and space bar and then shift s I get not available in full speech mode.
Why?
Sharon

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 12:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws command question

Just a bit more about Full speech, speech on demand and speech muted:
As Jasmine pointed out, pressing Jaws Key + Spacebar followed by S invokes Speech on Demand which limits what Jaws will speak and it is something braille display users often use because they want less speech, but still some speech.
If you want to mute Jaws entirely, you can do this by pressing Jaws Key + Spacebar followed by Shift + S As soon as you press this key combination Jaws will be totally muted until you again press Jaws Key + Spacebar followed by S which restores full speech.

As for the keyboard shortcut which didn't work to bring up Jaws, you should first go to your Jaws shortcut on the desktop, press Alt + Enter to bring up the properties and tab twice to check if somehow the keyboard shortcut you set was removed. If you hear the following:
Shortcut key: Hot key
Control + Alt + J
To define the hotkey Type the keystroke combination.
Then your keyboard shortcut is set, if so not sure why it didn't work, but as Brian suggested, maybe delete it and reassign it. Personally I prefer Control + Shift + J, somehow I find it easier to press that key combination than Control + Alt + J, but that is very subjective.
Also keep in mind that reloading Jaws is not instant, when I just tried it it took about 7 or 8 seconds before Jaws started speaking after I pressed the keyboard shortcut.

One alternative to bring up Jaws was already given, press Windows + R and type Jaws2021 (or whatever your version is), make sure you don't insert a space between Jaws and the version number, it has to be all without spaces.
You can also press Windows Key + M, I often do it twice just to be sure, this minimizes all programs and takes me to the desktop. As long as Jaws is the only shortcut you have which starts with J you can then just press J and enter and Jaws should also start.
Lastly, if you are using Windows 10, you should be able to simply press the Windows key to bring up the search box and type "JFW" which is the name of the program file, jfw.exe. Don't include the .exe, just type JFW and press enter, for me this also starts Jaws. This would, however, potentially be a problem on a machine with 2 or more Jaws versions since the application files are all called JFW.exe. I assume it would still work, but which version of Jaws you get is probably anybody's guess. But if as you say you only have 1 Jaws version on your computer this should also work and strictly by how many keys you have to press it is easier than Windows Key + R and typing Jaws2021 or Jaws2020.

Best regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 4:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws command question

Insert+ , then s is a toggle between speak on command or full speech.
While watching a video, use insert+space then s and jaws will be silent unless you press a reading command like insert+up arrow.
When the video is done, press insert+space then s again and Jaws will say full speech and you'll be back in business.

There was something odd going on with Jaws 2019 and 2020 on my system where none of the hotkeys on my desktop worked.
So far with Jaws 2021 they are working again.
Otherwise, the Windows+r then JawsXXXX where the x's are replaced with your jaws version works quite well.



Richard
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 4:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws command question

No Jasmin, I only have the one version. Does this command (insert space s) just mute Jaws, or would it mute the speech in the video that I'm watching as well?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: November 14, 2020 6:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws command question

Hi, Madison,
To help you better, I have a couple of questions for you. First, do you have any other versions of JAWS on your computer? If so, it may be that the shortcut is only set for the previous version. Another thing is that if you want to mute speech, you can press Insert+Space, then the letter S. Hope this helps!

Sincerely,
Jasmine

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 4:03 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws command question

Hi all,
Today I was watching a Youtube video, and Jaws kept talking so I couldn't hear the people in the video very well. So I turned Jaws using insert f4.
Well after the video was finished I tried to turn Jaws on using control alt j, but it didn't work, my Dad had to click on Jaws. Now I know I have the command set, so I'm not sure why it doesn't work. Any ideas? Is there any other way I can turn Jaws on myself? If Jaws isn't working then my Braille display doesn't work either (not sure if this is normal or not) so I don't even know where I am.
I hardly ever turn Jaws off, but I'd still like to know why the command to turn it on doesn't work. Running Jaws 2018. Look forward to any suggestions anyone can provide!! Thanks Madison


moderated Re: Issues with Jaws ndwindows 10,

Adrian Spratt
 

This post sounds ominous. A third party is telling a JAWS user what he can and cannot do to get adequate accessibility in his job, all the while referring to him as "the individual"? Deeply disturbing.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Milton Ota
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 9:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Issues with Jaws ndwindows 10,

Hello Listers,

RE: tele1974@gmail.com

He has been responded to and his situation will not be able to be solved by this list or tech support at Freedom Scientific. The individual works for a Federal Government Agency and the individual does not have Admin Rights so he cannot update the computer no matter if he was able to purchase a one year license to get the latest copy of JAWS and install it. The individual has to speak with his Supervisor and the IT Department to unlock the computer so that he has Admin Rights or get the IT Admin to work with him to resolve the problem he is having.

There is no need to respond to him or the list at this time.




-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 5:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Issues with Jaws ndwindows 10,

Or ask your employer if you can purchase the $90 home subscription for this computer you are medically get the new versions once they are released.
On Nov 13, 2020, at 7:29 PM, Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@gmail.com> wrote:

If you are running windows 10 especially the latest versions of windows 10 jaws 18 isn’t going to play well with it. You need to ask your employer for the latest version of Jaws.

Randy Barnett

On Nov 13, 2020, at 3:07 PM, tele1974@gmail.com wrote:


Hello, I’m hoping someone has some help, I just received a windows 10 laptop through work, and we are running jaws 18. The issues I’m having are:
1, when hitting alt plus other keys, IE alt+a to go to my explorer favorites, or other similar commands, the command works maybe 25 percent of the time. Sometimes I have to repeatedly hit the command, and sometimes it just doesn’t work at all. I’ve not found this with previous versions of windows running jaws 18.

2, the other issue I have is that when I am typing into an edit field, such as a search field on a search engine, or in any other explorer based program, many of the characters I type are not entering into the box. It’s almost as if there is a lag of some kind. I will have to go back and add about half the characters I’ve typed back in, as only fragments of words show up in the box.
I’m hoping this makes sense and that someone may have some suggestions.
Thanks,
Kurt


moderated Re: Use of Headings, or Rather Lack Thereof, in Groups.IO Discussion Lists

Alex Kenny
 

While headings would be ideal, it is possible to quickly jump to the next or previous message in a topic using the  quick navigation keys for separators (Hyphen and Shift+hyphen).


moderated Re: Compatibility of Thunderbird with Jaws2020

Randy Barnett
 

Thunderbird is perfectly useable with jaws.  and I have been using it for years with no major problems. We have a group  send a message to Thunderbird +subscribe@groups.io if you want to join. Yeah if you want to join it.

Randy Barnett

On Nov 14, 2020, at 7:52 AM, Rohan <rohan.fighter@...> wrote:



Hi all,

 

I have configured my Gmail account in Windows 10 Mail client. It seems that there is no way to add rules or create filters in this app. Can someone please share the compatibility of Thunderbird with Jaws2020?

 

Response awaited. Thanks much!

 

 

Best Regards,

Rohan


moderated Re: Issues with Jaws ndwindows 10,

Milton Ota
 

Hello Listers,

RE: tele1974@gmail.com

He has been responded to and his situation will not be able to be solved by this list or tech support at Freedom Scientific. The individual works for a Federal Government Agency and the individual does not have Admin Rights so he cannot update the computer no matter if he was able to purchase a one year license to get the latest copy of JAWS and install it. The individual has to speak with his Supervisor and the IT Department to unlock the computer so that he has Admin Rights or get the IT Admin to work with him to resolve the problem he is having.

There is no need to respond to him or the list at this time.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 5:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Issues with Jaws ndwindows 10,

Or ask your employer if you can purchase the $90 home subscription for this computer you are medically get the new versions once they are released.
On Nov 13, 2020, at 7:29 PM, Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@gmail.com> wrote:

If you are running windows 10 especially the latest versions of windows 10 jaws 18 isn’t going to play well with it. You need to ask your employer for the latest version of Jaws.

Randy Barnett

On Nov 13, 2020, at 3:07 PM, tele1974@gmail.com wrote:


Hello, I’m hoping someone has some help, I just received a windows 10 laptop through work, and we are running jaws 18. The issues I’m having are:
1, when hitting alt plus other keys, IE alt+a to go to my explorer favorites, or other similar commands, the command works maybe 25 percent of the time. Sometimes I have to repeatedly hit the command, and sometimes it just doesn’t work at all. I’ve not found this with previous versions of windows running jaws 18.

2, the other issue I have is that when I am typing into an edit field, such as a search field on a search engine, or in any other explorer based program, many of the characters I type are not entering into the box. It’s almost as if there is a lag of some kind. I will have to go back and add about half the characters I’ve typed back in, as only fragments of words show up in the box.
I’m hoping this makes sense and that someone may have some suggestions.
Thanks,
Kurt


moderated Re: Use of Headings, or Rather Lack Thereof, in Groups.IO Discussion Lists

 

David,

 

I suggest you write Mark Fletcher who I believe started Groups.io at markf@corp.groups.io and express your accessibility concerns re headings, etc. He has replied to me at least one prior time when I wrote him privately with a question.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Kingsbury
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 3:57 PM
To: 'JAWS Discussion List'
Subject: Use of Headings, or Rather Lack Thereof, in Groups.IO Discussion Lists

 

Hi all,

 

I have come to really value the various Groups.IO lists related to accessibility, including this one. However, one thing that has always irked me is how clunky and inefficient navigation is on the web pages where you access discussion strings on individual topics. Other than a single level 4 heading just above the initial question, there is no use of headings for replies. Appropriate use of headings here would significantly enable more efficient navigation by screen reader users.

 

Previously, I had a few workarounds on web pages for reading through discussions. If using Edge, I could put it in immersive reader view and that helped. But with the newest version of Windows 10, immersive reader seems to have disappeared for some pages and remained for others. I even figured out that I could search for the number sign with Control F and then F3 to get to the top of each response because each one used to start with a message number, but no longer. So now, I am stuck endlessly down arrowing through the discussions. This is a very inefficient way to navigate web pages.

 

I emailed the Groups. IO tech support people with this concern several months ago and they never responded. Because I had figured out some personal workarounds, and this is a free service, so I suppose you get what you pay for, I never made a second attempt to contact them. But my workarounds no longer work, and navigation is very tedious.

 

I am sure that those who run Groups.IO are people of goodwill. I imagine too that they are unaware that well-placed insertion of headings greatly facilitates navigation by screen reader users.

 

So, a couple of questions. Should list administrators contact the Groups.IO developers with this concern to ask that they make better use of headings on the web pages? Or if others on this list agree that better use of headings would greatly improve our ability to use Groups.IO more efficiently, is there a way we can advocate as a group, versus sending the occasional solitary email complaint that ultimately goes unanswered?

 

Ideally, on the web pages, each original question and the responses would be tagged with a heading. On the daily digest, “New topics” and “new replies” would both have headings. However, adding headings to the web pages is the biggest priority.

 

I want to emphasize that I wouldn’t expend time on this if I didn’t value the service. It is an excellent resource. But that doesn’t mean there is no room for improvement.

 

Thanks to all who support asking that they do something about this. Also, sorry in advance for any inconvenience to you because I am sending this message to several lists, so you may see some repetition.

 

Regards,

David


moderated Re: Issues with Jaws ndwindows 10,

Joseph Hudson
 

Or ask your employer if you can purchase the $90 home subscription for this computer you are medically get the new versions once they are released.

On Nov 13, 2020, at 7:29 PM, Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@gmail.com> wrote:

If you are running windows 10 especially the latest versions of windows 10 jaws 18 isn’t going to play well with it. You need to ask your employer for the latest version of Jaws.

Randy Barnett

On Nov 13, 2020, at 3:07 PM, tele1974@gmail.com wrote:


Hello, I’m hoping someone has some help, I just received a windows 10 laptop through work, and we are running jaws 18. The issues I’m having are:
1, when hitting alt plus other keys, IE alt+a to go to my explorer favorites, or other similar commands, the command works maybe 25 percent of the time. Sometimes I have to repeatedly hit the command, and sometimes it just doesn’t work at all. I’ve not found this with previous versions of windows running jaws 18.

2, the other issue I have is that when I am typing into an edit field, such as a search field on a search engine, or in any other explorer based program, many of the characters I type are not entering into the box. It’s almost as if there is a lag of some kind. I will have to go back and add about half the characters I’ve typed back in, as only fragments of words show up in the box.
I’m hoping this makes sense and that someone may have some suggestions.
Thanks,
Kurt


moderated Re: Issues with Jaws ndwindows 10,

Lori Lynn
 

I’m a former Federal employee, so understand what you are talking about. They have much testing and tweaking to make sure their other software works with the version of JAWS you are getting.

 

I’m assuming you are working on a laptop rather than a desktop. I ran into something similar to what you are talking about a few years ago when our agency switched to laptops for teleworking. I had to change the keyboard setting to standard or something similar. I honestly don’t remember if it was a JAWS setting or a Windows setting. Perhaps someone else will know how to change the keyboard and can share. Good luck.

 

Lori Lynn

 

 

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tFrom: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of tele1974@...
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 11:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Issues with Jaws ndwindows 10,

 

 I am a federal government employee, so downloading newer versions of jaws unfortunately isn’t an option for me. Are there any possible workaround or is this just something I’m going to have to deal with?   Honestly the worst of the two issues is the alt plus other keystrokes not working. Does anyone know why this would be? 

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