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moderated Re: reading footnotes in a word document

Panagiotis Antonopoulos
 

Have you unchecked the "uig" I think checkbox within word jaws settings?
Kindest regards, Takis

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 12:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading footnotes in a word document

I have trouble getting JAWS to read footnotes. I think they read best in
draft view.
At 03:54 PM 11/15/2020, you wrote:

I pressed the jaws key, 0 and then v. That doesn't do anything. I then
pressed jaws key o and v. That didn't do anything. When Jaws reads your
text below it says jaws key zero volt. Is that some special key?

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Panagiotis
Antonopoulos
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 2:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading footnotes in a word document



Hi Kevin-all,

The trick is, while in word, to invoke the word specific jaws settings
with jawskey0v and search for "ui" this is uig or something and relates
to a Microsoft setting. Uncheck the box, and make sure footnotes are
set to be read in place. Then I think you will be ok.

Hope this
helps,

Takis



From: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
<<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin
meyers
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 3:25 AM
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: reading footnotes in a word document



Hi, I'm using the most recent version of Jaws2020 and word 2016.
When just reading a word document is it possible to setup Jaws so
footnotes are visable without pressing the windows key plus ;? I know
when I move through the document someone else has created, I wouldn't
know there were footnotes unless I was told. I guess I could always
look using the windows plus ; keys. Yet if someone is just reading a
book on a recreational basis will they know there are footnotes? What
about Kindle? Thanks, Kevin




moderated Re: reading footnotes in a word document

Justin Williams
 

What category is it under?

 

Justin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Panagiotis Antonopoulos
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 2:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading footnotes in a word document

 

Hi Richard/all,

Kevin may have had an option called “ui” something checked, which is located in the word options of jaws. I think it’s related to office use only, but I am not sure. I found that, while that was checked, footnote numbers did not show up in text, though speech might well have read them, I usually work with a braille display, so it was absolutely essential for me to have the footnote numbers showing. Once I unchecked that box, note numbers came back as usual.

                                                            Hope this helps,

                                                            Takis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 11:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading footnotes in a word document

 

He meant just jawsKey plus v.

The main thing is looking at the footnote options to have it read.

I'm not at my computer right now to check the exact wording.

 

Richard

 

 

Software means never having to say you're finished 

 

 

On Nov 15, 2020, at 1:54 PM, kevin meyers <kman2020@...> wrote:



I pressed the jaws key, 0 and then v. That doesn’t do anything. I then pressed jaws key o and v. That didn’t do anything. When Jaws reads your text below it says jaws key zero volt. Is that some special key?

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Panagiotis Antonopoulos
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 2:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading footnotes in a word document

 

Hi Kevin-all,

The trick is, while in word, to invoke the word specific jaws settings with jawskey0v and search for “ui” this is uig or something and relates to a Microsoft setting. Uncheck the box, and make sure footnotes are set to be read in place. Then I think you will be ok.

                                                            Hope this helps,

                                                            Takis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 3:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: reading footnotes in a word document

 

Hi, I’m using the most recent version of Jaws2020 and word 2016. When just reading a word document is it possible to setup Jaws so footnotes are visable without pressing the windows key plus ;? I know when I move through the document someone else has created, I wouldn’t know there were footnotes unless I was told. I guess I could always look using the windows plus ; keys. Yet if someone is just reading a book on a recreational basis will they know there are footnotes? What about Kindle? Thanks, Kevin

 


moderated Re: reading footnotes in a word document

Panagiotis Antonopoulos
 

Hi Richard/all,

Kevin may have had an option called “ui” something checked, which is located in the word options of jaws. I think it’s related to office use only, but I am not sure. I found that, while that was checked, footnote numbers did not show up in text, though speech might well have read them, I usually work with a braille display, so it was absolutely essential for me to have the footnote numbers showing. Once I unchecked that box, note numbers came back as usual.

                                                            Hope this helps,

                                                            Takis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 11:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading footnotes in a word document

 

He meant just jawsKey plus v.

The main thing is looking at the footnote options to have it read.

I'm not at my computer right now to check the exact wording.

 

Richard

 

 

Software means never having to say you're finished 

 



On Nov 15, 2020, at 1:54 PM, kevin meyers <kman2020@...> wrote:



I pressed the jaws key, 0 and then v. That doesn’t do anything. I then pressed jaws key o and v. That didn’t do anything. When Jaws reads your text below it says jaws key zero volt. Is that some special key?

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Panagiotis Antonopoulos
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 2:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading footnotes in a word document

 

Hi Kevin-all,

The trick is, while in word, to invoke the word specific jaws settings with jawskey0v and search for “ui” this is uig or something and relates to a Microsoft setting. Uncheck the box, and make sure footnotes are set to be read in place. Then I think you will be ok.

                                                            Hope this helps,

                                                            Takis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 3:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: reading footnotes in a word document

 

Hi, I’m using the most recent version of Jaws2020 and word 2016. When just reading a word document is it possible to setup Jaws so footnotes are visable without pressing the windows key plus ;? I know when I move through the document someone else has created, I wouldn’t know there were footnotes unless I was told. I guess I could always look using the windows plus ; keys. Yet if someone is just reading a book on a recreational basis will they know there are footnotes? What about Kindle? Thanks, Kevin

 


moderated Re: reading footnotes in a word document

Panagiotis Antonopoulos
 

No Kevin, press jawskey-v while in word, then type “ui”, it’s a third letter I do not know, I think it’s a g, but ui is for sure. Uncheck that box if checked. Then go back to the search box and type “footnotes” and make sure you select the option for jaws to read their text, not just report the reference. The 0 character must have come inadvertently in my message, and I suspect I was in a non-us keyboard by accident. Sorry. Please do let me know how you are progressing with this.

                                                            Hope it helps,

                                                            Greetings from Greece,

                                                            Takis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 11:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading footnotes in a word document

 

I pressed the jaws key, 0 and then v. That doesn’t do anything. I then pressed jaws key o and v. That didn’t do anything. When Jaws reads your text below it says jaws key zero volt. Is that some special key?

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Panagiotis Antonopoulos
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 2:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading footnotes in a word document

 

Hi Kevin-all,

The trick is, while in word, to invoke the word specific jaws settings with jawskey0v and search for “ui” this is uig or something and relates to a Microsoft setting. Uncheck the box, and make sure footnotes are set to be read in place. Then I think you will be ok.

                                                            Hope this helps,

                                                            Takis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 3:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: reading footnotes in a word document

 

Hi, I’m using the most recent version of Jaws2020 and word 2016. When just reading a word document is it possible to setup Jaws so footnotes are visable without pressing the windows key plus ;? I know when I move through the document someone else has created, I wouldn’t know there were footnotes unless I was told. I guess I could always look using the windows plus ; keys. Yet if someone is just reading a book on a recreational basis will they know there are footnotes? What about Kindle? Thanks, Kevin

 


moderated Re: getting Jaws on the desktop

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Sieghard. Even if Madison is using Windows 10, one thing he/she may not
know is that in the Apps Folder (accessed through shell:AppsFolder), one
does not use the up and down arrows to navigate through the files. The files
are laid out horizontally, and navigation is accomplished by using the left
and right arrows. Because of this, the JAWS application could have been
missed, if the up and down arrows were being used as the method of
navigation in the Apps Folder.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 11:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: getting Jaws on the desktop

No offense, but maybe you are not doing something the way it is explained.
If you have Jaws installed on your computer and are using Windows 10 the
Shell:AppsFolder command will definitely show you a list which contains
Jaws.
Are you using Windows 10 or Windows 7? Don't think you said and I don't
recall if anybody asked.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 2:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: getting Jaws on the desktop

The issue with that is that Jaws isn't on that list.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Zolo
Sent: November 15, 2020 1:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: getting Jaws on the desktop

Hey there, Madison, BZ here again, grin! There's another way to do this in
windows ten. 1. Hit windows key plus r which will bring up the run dialog.
2. Type shell:appsfolder and then press enter. This will bring up a list
of all your applications. Down arrow until you hear jaws and then hit your
applications key and go down until you hear create shortcut and then press
enter. You'll get a message that will say something like do you want
windows to create a shortcut anyway and then press enter. I'm doing the
message off the top of my head so that's not the verbatim message you'll
hear but this method will create the jaws item on your desktop. If you're
not comfortable doing this and you need assistance, just let me know and
I'll be happy to help you. BZ!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Madison
Martin
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 1:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: getting Jaws on the desktop

Hi all,
I went to my desktop and the Jaws shortcut doesn't seem to be on there. I
went into the search box and found Jaws, but when I pressed shift f10 to
create a shortcut I got 5 options:
Run as administrator
Open file location
Unpin from taskbar
Pin to start
Uninstall

Can someone please tell me, what other way (s) can I create a shortcut for
Jaws on my desktop? Even though you've all provided me with other ways to
start Jaws, I'd still like to check and see if my shortcut key is still set
or not. Thanks
Madison








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moderated Re: getting Jaws on the desktop

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

No offense, but maybe you are not doing something the way it is explained. If you have Jaws installed on your computer and are using Windows 10 the Shell:AppsFolder command will definitely show you a list which contains Jaws.
Are you using Windows 10 or Windows 7? Don't think you said and I don't recall if anybody asked.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 2:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: getting Jaws on the desktop

The issue with that is that Jaws isn't on that list.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Zolo
Sent: November 15, 2020 1:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: getting Jaws on the desktop

Hey there, Madison, BZ here again, grin! There's another way to do this in windows ten. 1. Hit windows key plus r which will bring up the run dialog.
2. Type shell:appsfolder and then press enter. This will bring up a list of all your applications. Down arrow until you hear jaws and then hit your applications key and go down until you hear create shortcut and then press enter. You'll get a message that will say something like do you want windows to create a shortcut anyway and then press enter. I'm doing the message off the top of my head so that's not the verbatim message you'll hear but this method will create the jaws item on your desktop. If you're not comfortable doing this and you need assistance, just let me know and
I'll be happy to help you. BZ!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 1:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: getting Jaws on the desktop

Hi all,
I went to my desktop and the Jaws shortcut doesn't seem to be on there. I went into the search box and found Jaws, but when I pressed shift f10 to create a shortcut I got 5 options:
Run as administrator
Open file location
Unpin from taskbar
Pin to start
Uninstall

Can someone please tell me, what other way (s) can I create a shortcut for Jaws on my desktop? Even though you've all provided me with other ways to start Jaws, I'd still like to check and see if my shortcut key is still set or not. Thanks
Madison








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moderated Re: getting Jaws on the desktop

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

If I go to the Windows 10 search box and start typing "Jaws", Jaws 2021 pops up, going to that file location does not take me to the executable file for Jaws, but to the Jaws 2021 shortcut in the start menu and one could very well copy this and paste it on the desktop.

The executable for Jaws (any version) is called JFW.exe.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 11:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: getting Jaws on the desktop

 

On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 02:32 PM, Madison Martin wrote:

That didn't work.

-
And it will not work.  That's not creating a shortcut, and copying your executable out of its folder and pasting it on the desktop, even if you did it, would result in a non-functional JAWS.
 
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       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: questions about jaws versions

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

Why do you think you have 2 versions of Jaws 2020, where do you see this?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Deb and the girls
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 10:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: questions about jaws versions

I seem to have two jaws 20 versions loaded on my laptop. I just deleted jaws 18 and 19 from my laptop successfully. If I deleted the earlier version of jaws 20, would the other one disappear as well? Please respond asap!
debsoundandscent@earthlink.net
Thanks
Deb Ver Steeg

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 12:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws command question

Actually, you have to be on speech on demand and then press Jaws Key + Spacebar followed by Shift + S and you then hear "Speech off set to speech mute".
At that point Jaws is completely muted and Jaws Key + Spacebar followed by S will restore ful lspeech.
I was almost certain earlier when I tried this Jaws Key + Spacebar followed by Shift + S worked directly, but now I am also getting the message "not available in full speech mode" and I have to first go to speech on demand before I can use the layered keystroke with Shift + S to fully mute Jaws.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 9:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws command question

I tried this out:
When I press jaws and space bar and then shift s I get not available in full speech mode.
Why?
Sharon

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 12:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws command question

Just a bit more about Full speech, speech on demand and speech muted:
As Jasmine pointed out, pressing Jaws Key + Spacebar followed by S invokes Speech on Demand which limits what Jaws will speak and it is something braille display users often use because they want less speech, but still some speech.
If you want to mute Jaws entirely, you can do this by pressing Jaws Key + Spacebar followed by Shift + S As soon as you press this key combination Jaws will be totally muted until you again press Jaws Key + Spacebar followed by S which restores full speech.

As for the keyboard shortcut which didn't work to bring up Jaws, you should first go to your Jaws shortcut on the desktop, press Alt + Enter to bring up the properties and tab twice to check if somehow the keyboard shortcut you set was removed. If you hear the following:
Shortcut key: Hot key
Control + Alt + J
To define the hotkey Type the keystroke combination.
Then your keyboard shortcut is set, if so not sure why it didn't work, but as Brian suggested, maybe delete it and reassign it. Personally I prefer Control + Shift + J, somehow I find it easier to press that key combination than Control + Alt + J, but that is very subjective.
Also keep in mind that reloading Jaws is not instant, when I just tried it it took about 7 or 8 seconds before Jaws started speaking after I pressed the keyboard shortcut.

One alternative to bring up Jaws was already given, press Windows + R and type Jaws2021 (or whatever your version is), make sure you don't insert a space between Jaws and the version number, it has to be all without spaces.
You can also press Windows Key + M, I often do it twice just to be sure, this minimizes all programs and takes me to the desktop. As long as Jaws is the only shortcut you have which starts with J you can then just press J and enter and Jaws should also start.
Lastly, if you are using Windows 10, you should be able to simply press the Windows key to bring up the search box and type "JFW" which is the name of the program file, jfw.exe. Don't include the .exe, just type JFW and press enter, for me this also starts Jaws. This would, however, potentially be a problem on a machine with 2 or more Jaws versions since the application files are all called JFW.exe. I assume it would still work, but which version of Jaws you get is probably anybody's guess. But if as you say you only have 1 Jaws version on your computer this should also work and strictly by how many keys you have to press it is easier than Windows Key + R and typing Jaws2021 or Jaws2020.

Best regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 4:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws command question

Insert+ , then s is a toggle between speak on command or full speech.
While watching a video, use insert+space then s and jaws will be silent unless you press a reading command like insert+up arrow.
When the video is done, press insert+space then s again and Jaws will say full speech and you'll be back in business.

There was something odd going on with Jaws 2019 and 2020 on my system where none of the hotkeys on my desktop worked.
So far with Jaws 2021 they are working again.
Otherwise, the Windows+r then JawsXXXX where the x's are replaced with your jaws version works quite well.



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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 4:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws command question

No Jasmin, I only have the one version. Does this command (insert space s) just mute Jaws, or would it mute the speech in the video that I'm watching as well?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: November 14, 2020 6:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws command question

Hi, Madison,
To help you better, I have a couple of questions for you. First, do you have any other versions of JAWS on your computer? If so, it may be that the shortcut is only set for the previous version. Another thing is that if you want to mute speech, you can press Insert+Space, then the letter S. Hope this helps!

Sincerely,
Jasmine

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 4:03 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws command question

Hi all,
Today I was watching a Youtube video, and Jaws kept talking so I couldn't hear the people in the video very well. So I turned Jaws using insert f4.
Well after the video was finished I tried to turn Jaws on using control alt j, but it didn't work, my Dad had to click on Jaws. Now I know I have the command set, so I'm not sure why it doesn't work. Any ideas? Is there any other way I can turn Jaws on myself? If Jaws isn't working then my Braille display doesn't work either (not sure if this is normal or not) so I don't even know where I am.
I hardly ever turn Jaws off, but I'd still like to know why the command to turn it on doesn't work. Running Jaws 2018. Look forward to any suggestions anyone can provide!! Thanks Madison


moderated Re: Issues with Jaws ndwindows 10,

Adrian Spratt
 

This post sounds ominous. A third party is telling a JAWS user what he can and cannot do to get adequate accessibility in his job, all the while referring to him as "the individual"? Deeply disturbing.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Milton Ota
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 9:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Issues with Jaws ndwindows 10,

Hello Listers,

RE: tele1974@gmail.com

He has been responded to and his situation will not be able to be solved by this list or tech support at Freedom Scientific. The individual works for a Federal Government Agency and the individual does not have Admin Rights so he cannot update the computer no matter if he was able to purchase a one year license to get the latest copy of JAWS and install it. The individual has to speak with his Supervisor and the IT Department to unlock the computer so that he has Admin Rights or get the IT Admin to work with him to resolve the problem he is having.

There is no need to respond to him or the list at this time.




-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 5:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Issues with Jaws ndwindows 10,

Or ask your employer if you can purchase the $90 home subscription for this computer you are medically get the new versions once they are released.
On Nov 13, 2020, at 7:29 PM, Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@gmail.com> wrote:

If you are running windows 10 especially the latest versions of windows 10 jaws 18 isn’t going to play well with it. You need to ask your employer for the latest version of Jaws.

Randy Barnett

On Nov 13, 2020, at 3:07 PM, tele1974@gmail.com wrote:


Hello, I’m hoping someone has some help, I just received a windows 10 laptop through work, and we are running jaws 18. The issues I’m having are:
1, when hitting alt plus other keys, IE alt+a to go to my explorer favorites, or other similar commands, the command works maybe 25 percent of the time. Sometimes I have to repeatedly hit the command, and sometimes it just doesn’t work at all. I’ve not found this with previous versions of windows running jaws 18.

2, the other issue I have is that when I am typing into an edit field, such as a search field on a search engine, or in any other explorer based program, many of the characters I type are not entering into the box. It’s almost as if there is a lag of some kind. I will have to go back and add about half the characters I’ve typed back in, as only fragments of words show up in the box.
I’m hoping this makes sense and that someone may have some suggestions.
Thanks,
Kurt


moderated Re: Use of Headings, or Rather Lack Thereof, in Groups.IO Discussion Lists

Alex Kenny
 

While headings would be ideal, it is possible to quickly jump to the next or previous message in a topic using the  quick navigation keys for separators (Hyphen and Shift+hyphen).


moderated Re: Compatibility of Thunderbird with Jaws2020

Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@...>
 

Thunderbird is perfectly useable with jaws.  and I have been using it for years with no major problems. We have a group  send a message to Thunderbird +subscribe@groups.io if you want to join. Yeah if you want to join it.

Randy Barnett

On Nov 14, 2020, at 7:52 AM, Rohan <rohan.fighter@...> wrote:



Hi all,

 

I have configured my Gmail account in Windows 10 Mail client. It seems that there is no way to add rules or create filters in this app. Can someone please share the compatibility of Thunderbird with Jaws2020?

 

Response awaited. Thanks much!

 

 

Best Regards,

Rohan


moderated Re: Issues with Jaws ndwindows 10,

Milton Ota
 

Hello Listers,

RE: tele1974@gmail.com

He has been responded to and his situation will not be able to be solved by this list or tech support at Freedom Scientific. The individual works for a Federal Government Agency and the individual does not have Admin Rights so he cannot update the computer no matter if he was able to purchase a one year license to get the latest copy of JAWS and install it. The individual has to speak with his Supervisor and the IT Department to unlock the computer so that he has Admin Rights or get the IT Admin to work with him to resolve the problem he is having.

There is no need to respond to him or the list at this time.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 5:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Issues with Jaws ndwindows 10,

Or ask your employer if you can purchase the $90 home subscription for this computer you are medically get the new versions once they are released.
On Nov 13, 2020, at 7:29 PM, Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@gmail.com> wrote:

If you are running windows 10 especially the latest versions of windows 10 jaws 18 isn’t going to play well with it. You need to ask your employer for the latest version of Jaws.

Randy Barnett

On Nov 13, 2020, at 3:07 PM, tele1974@gmail.com wrote:


Hello, I’m hoping someone has some help, I just received a windows 10 laptop through work, and we are running jaws 18. The issues I’m having are:
1, when hitting alt plus other keys, IE alt+a to go to my explorer favorites, or other similar commands, the command works maybe 25 percent of the time. Sometimes I have to repeatedly hit the command, and sometimes it just doesn’t work at all. I’ve not found this with previous versions of windows running jaws 18.

2, the other issue I have is that when I am typing into an edit field, such as a search field on a search engine, or in any other explorer based program, many of the characters I type are not entering into the box. It’s almost as if there is a lag of some kind. I will have to go back and add about half the characters I’ve typed back in, as only fragments of words show up in the box.
I’m hoping this makes sense and that someone may have some suggestions.
Thanks,
Kurt


moderated Re: Use of Headings, or Rather Lack Thereof, in Groups.IO Discussion Lists

 

David,

 

I suggest you write Mark Fletcher who I believe started Groups.io at markf@corp.groups.io and express your accessibility concerns re headings, etc. He has replied to me at least one prior time when I wrote him privately with a question.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Kingsbury
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 3:57 PM
To: 'JAWS Discussion List'
Subject: Use of Headings, or Rather Lack Thereof, in Groups.IO Discussion Lists

 

Hi all,

 

I have come to really value the various Groups.IO lists related to accessibility, including this one. However, one thing that has always irked me is how clunky and inefficient navigation is on the web pages where you access discussion strings on individual topics. Other than a single level 4 heading just above the initial question, there is no use of headings for replies. Appropriate use of headings here would significantly enable more efficient navigation by screen reader users.

 

Previously, I had a few workarounds on web pages for reading through discussions. If using Edge, I could put it in immersive reader view and that helped. But with the newest version of Windows 10, immersive reader seems to have disappeared for some pages and remained for others. I even figured out that I could search for the number sign with Control F and then F3 to get to the top of each response because each one used to start with a message number, but no longer. So now, I am stuck endlessly down arrowing through the discussions. This is a very inefficient way to navigate web pages.

 

I emailed the Groups. IO tech support people with this concern several months ago and they never responded. Because I had figured out some personal workarounds, and this is a free service, so I suppose you get what you pay for, I never made a second attempt to contact them. But my workarounds no longer work, and navigation is very tedious.

 

I am sure that those who run Groups.IO are people of goodwill. I imagine too that they are unaware that well-placed insertion of headings greatly facilitates navigation by screen reader users.

 

So, a couple of questions. Should list administrators contact the Groups.IO developers with this concern to ask that they make better use of headings on the web pages? Or if others on this list agree that better use of headings would greatly improve our ability to use Groups.IO more efficiently, is there a way we can advocate as a group, versus sending the occasional solitary email complaint that ultimately goes unanswered?

 

Ideally, on the web pages, each original question and the responses would be tagged with a heading. On the daily digest, “New topics” and “new replies” would both have headings. However, adding headings to the web pages is the biggest priority.

 

I want to emphasize that I wouldn’t expend time on this if I didn’t value the service. It is an excellent resource. But that doesn’t mean there is no room for improvement.

 

Thanks to all who support asking that they do something about this. Also, sorry in advance for any inconvenience to you because I am sending this message to several lists, so you may see some repetition.

 

Regards,

David


moderated Re: Issues with Jaws ndwindows 10,

Joseph Hudson
 

Or ask your employer if you can purchase the $90 home subscription for this computer you are medically get the new versions once they are released.

On Nov 13, 2020, at 7:29 PM, Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@gmail.com> wrote:

If you are running windows 10 especially the latest versions of windows 10 jaws 18 isn’t going to play well with it. You need to ask your employer for the latest version of Jaws.

Randy Barnett

On Nov 13, 2020, at 3:07 PM, tele1974@gmail.com wrote:


Hello, I’m hoping someone has some help, I just received a windows 10 laptop through work, and we are running jaws 18. The issues I’m having are:
1, when hitting alt plus other keys, IE alt+a to go to my explorer favorites, or other similar commands, the command works maybe 25 percent of the time. Sometimes I have to repeatedly hit the command, and sometimes it just doesn’t work at all. I’ve not found this with previous versions of windows running jaws 18.

2, the other issue I have is that when I am typing into an edit field, such as a search field on a search engine, or in any other explorer based program, many of the characters I type are not entering into the box. It’s almost as if there is a lag of some kind. I will have to go back and add about half the characters I’ve typed back in, as only fragments of words show up in the box.
I’m hoping this makes sense and that someone may have some suggestions.
Thanks,
Kurt


moderated Re: Issues with Jaws ndwindows 10,

Lori Lynn
 

I’m a former Federal employee, so understand what you are talking about. They have much testing and tweaking to make sure their other software works with the version of JAWS you are getting.

 

I’m assuming you are working on a laptop rather than a desktop. I ran into something similar to what you are talking about a few years ago when our agency switched to laptops for teleworking. I had to change the keyboard setting to standard or something similar. I honestly don’t remember if it was a JAWS setting or a Windows setting. Perhaps someone else will know how to change the keyboard and can share. Good luck.

 

Lori Lynn

 

 

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tFrom: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of tele1974@...
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 11:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Issues with Jaws ndwindows 10,

 

 I am a federal government employee, so downloading newer versions of jaws unfortunately isn’t an option for me. Are there any possible workaround or is this just something I’m going to have to deal with?   Honestly the worst of the two issues is the alt plus other keystrokes not working. Does anyone know why this would be? 


moderated Braille output

romance's prince
 


hello dears
 
I want to test Braille with jaws some like Braille viewer but I'm blind! & don't have Braille display now.
is anyway / script let me get copy of Braille output which sent to Braille display as a Unicode or Ascii Braille as jaws encoding it?
is it possible to find  a script which coppy braille characters from braille viewer?
 many thanks for your help.
 


moderated Re: Laptop mouse question

Tom Behler
 

Anne:

This is what I do as well when using my laptop at home.

However, when traveling, carrying around an extra keyboard can be
inconvenient, although I have been known to do that as well.

Covering over the touch-pad may be another easy alternative which I will try
next when needed.

Tom Behler

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 5:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Laptop mouse question

I use an external keyboard with my lap top. that way I don't inadvertently
hit the touchPad. Some computers you can turn it off and on easily, but
some you can't.
At 04:17 PM 11/15/2020, you wrote:
On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 03:51 PM, Mark Arnold ABG wrote:
Often times I inadvertently touch the mouse area and JAWS loses focus.Â
Do most users turn off the mouse and connect an external mouse if
sighted users want to utilize a mouse? Any input would be
appreciated…

-Mark,      My recommendation of over a decade not to every
one of the clients I've tutored is NOT to disable the mousepad, because
having real left and right click hard buttons is just so useful, but to
mask off the "thumbpad"
area that causes the mouse pointer to move. I have most commonly done
this using a piece of cardboard of the thickness you typically find on
the back of a notepad, cut to the necessary size, taped down on the
left like that side is a book spine and on the right with a smaller
tape tab, that can be easily lifted if desired to expose the "thumbpad"
area for sighted assistants.      It is just so handy to
have real left and right click rather than using screen reader
emulation to achieve same, and you can get that while easily preventing
the issue you describe by masking off the area responsible for pointer
movement. --

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 Â

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome
it. Â Â Â Â Â Â ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Laptop mouse question

Tom Behler
 

Thanks, Dan. …  Will take a look.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 4:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Laptop mouse question

 

Yes, the issue is very annoying. After Dell does an update, a Dell update and not a Windows update, the mouse touch pad gets re activated. Go into control panel and under mouse you will find a setting to turn off the touch pad. 

On my dell the setting is only available under the mouse tab in control panel.  On some Dell’s it may be easier to find.  The setting is not easy to locate with JAWS so if sighted assistance is available this will save time.  JAWS does read the items in the mouse area so perhaps with a little extra work with JAWS you should be able to control the function.  It is a check box.

 

Dan

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 3:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Laptop mouse question

 

Mark:

 

I have been using Dell laptops lately, and always try to turn off the mouse pad for the same reasons you suggest.

 

However, I notice that sometimes the mouse pad gets turned back on probably from Dell updates, so I’m gradually learning to live with the mouse bening enabled.

 

If someone has instructions for turning the mouse pad off on a Dell computer, and keeping it off, I’d appreciate them.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark Arnold ABG
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 3:52 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Laptop mouse question

 

List,

 

I have had numerous laptops over the years and the “mouse” area always causes problems…  Often times I inadvertently touch the mouse area and JAWS loses focus.  Do most users turn off the mouse and connect an external mouse if sighted users want to utilize a mouse?  Any input would be appreciated…

 

Thanks in advance,

Mark

 

Mark D. Arnold

Co-Director

American Blind Golf

Phone: (330) 419-1710

www.AmericanBlindGolf.com

www.OhioBlindGolf.com

 

Motivate, Inspire & Serve

 


moderated Re: Issues with Jaws ndwindows 10,

Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@...>
 

Did you ask them to upgrade? I’d be really surprised if they won’t give you the new version of jaws. Especially if it’s interfering with your job.

Randy Barnett

On Nov 15, 2020, at 9:16 AM, tele1974@... wrote:

 I am a federal government employee, so downloading newer versions of jaws unfortunately isn’t an option for me. Are there any possible workaround or is this just something I’m going to have to deal with?   Honestly the worst of the two issues is the alt plus other keystrokes not working. Does anyone know why this would be? 


moderated Re: canvas accesssibility

Shai
 

Hello Paul,
Yes Canvas itself is accessible with JAWS2020. I have not tried it
with JAWS2021 yet so I can't comment there.

On 11/15/20, Paul Faucheux <pf112781@gmail.com> wrote:
hi this is paul faucheux. is canvas accessible with jaws 2020 or 2021. i am
going to be taking information communications technology courses at north
shore technical community college. i previously went there from january 3
2008 to march 21 2011. during that time they used blackboard for course
materials and accessing assignments as well as submitting assignments
please let me know if it is accessible and if not what should i do or say
to instructors and people at at the school. i will be taking the classes at
there hammond louisiana campus. please email me at pf112781@gmail.com or
call me at 985-370-2072.





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