Date   

moderated Re: Silencio, Correct 1, Download Link

Richard Turner
 

I have no need for this as my sound card in my Del laptop is working fine.

However, I noticed that the download from Sourceforge was spelled with a z not a c.  the one with the z is some Italian software that hasn’t been updated since 2013.

The one Mike is posting is spelled with a c and is likely what folks are looking for.

Spelling counts.

 

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 10:36 AM
To: JList <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Silencio, Correct 1, Download Link

 

Hi All,

 

Here's a direct download link for the correct Silencio.  I'm running this 1 myself.

 


 

 

Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Rams!
Main's Law:  For every action there is an equal and opposite government program.


moderated Silencio, Correct 1, Download Link

Mike B.
 

Hi All,
 
Here's a direct download link for the correct Silencio.  I'm running this 1 myself.
 

 
 
Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Rams!
Main's Law:  For every action there is an equal and opposite government program.


moderated Re: Possible Warning About JAWS 2021 and Speech

Don Mauck
 

Not sure what you mean, sorry, my brain is on overload.


Regards:

Don Mauck | Senior Accessibility Evangelist | Accessibility Program Office | (APO)

303.334.4184
Don.mauck@oracle.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill White <billwhite92701@dslextreme.com>
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 11:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Possible Warning About JAWS 2021 and Speech

Hi, Tom. This is the wrong Silenzio.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Lange
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 8:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Possible Warning About JAWS 2021 and Speech

Hi,
I found it at Sourceforge. It’s a relatively small zip file at 7.5 megs. You can get it at:

https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://sourceforge.net/projects/silenzio/__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!KOC-SpEoZvURmAHAkJQPCblF2oPNwScBEqU4Rb0oefaKp0jDcS9lJihjZC3LHUU$

Tom

On Nov 13, 2020, at 8:36 AM, Don Mauck <don.mauck@oracle.com> wrote:

I have it, however, every time I try to run it, my Virus program removes it and states it is a trojan.


Regards:

Don Mauck | Senior Accessibility Evangelist | Accessibility Program
Office | (APO)

303.334.4184
Don.mauck@oracle.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Jessica D <jldail13@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 9:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Possible Warning About JAWS 2021 and Speech

Hi,
I’ll try it too.
Can you please send me the link as well?
Thanks,
Jessica
On Nov 13, 2020, at 11:17 AM, Tom Lange <lange85@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Chris,
I looked for Silenzio yesterday and couldn’t find it. Do have a link to it, or is it small enough to send it to me?
Thanks,
Tom


On Nov 13, 2020, at 4:56 AM, Chris Hill <hillco@earthlink.net> wrote:
Better yet, install silenzio, then you can still use audio ducking.



On 11/12/2020 18:58, Tom Lange wrote:
Hi all,

Immediately after installing JAWS 2021 this morning, I noticed that
speech at the beginning of words was being cut off when moving
around in dialog boxes, list views, et cetera. As you can well
imagine, the situation was intolerable and crazy-making . If this
happens to you after installing Fusion or JAWS 2021, you need to do
the following to solve the problem.

Step 1, press Insert+6 on the number row to get into Settings Center.
Step 2, press ctrl+shift+D to switch to the default settings.
Step 3, in the search box, type the word cut. Wait a few seconds
for the search results list to populate. You should see only one result.
It’s an unchecked checkbox with a label that reads as follows.

Avoid speech cutoff when using Bluetooth headphones or some sound cards.

If you tab away from that checkbox to read the explanatory text,
you should see some text that says

“Many modern Bluetooth headphones and speakers shut down after a
while of not receiving sound to conserve battery. If this check box
is selected, JAWS will keep them awake by constantly playing
silence. You will not hear anything, but your device will remain
active, resulting in more consistent speech.
Note that the battery of your headphones/speakers could drain
faster if you turn this on.
This check box is cleared by default.”

End of explanatory text.

Checking that checkbox will eliminate the speech cutoff. However,
the side effect is that some events will trigger a reduction in
speech volume, which can be troublesome if you’re only using a
laptop’s speakers. I compensated for this dip in volume by using
powered, wired external speakers.

Step 4, tab to the Apply button and press Enter or the space bar.
Step 5, tab to OK and press Enter to close Settings Center.

Note: The checkbox referenced in step 3 above is unchecked by
default in JAWS 2020 and Fusion 2020, and there is no speech cutoff.
So this is a bug which was apparently introduced in 2021 which
needs to be reported to Freedom Scientific.

I hope this helps you. Let me know if you have any questions.

Tom


















moderated Re: Key echo and the backspace key of JAWS 2021

Richard Turner
 

I have not experienced this as yet.

 

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ashleigh Piccinino
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 10:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Key echo and the backspace key of JAWS 2021

 

Hello,

Do any of you notice this behavior when using JAWS 2021? I’m writing a document, and sometimes, when I need to backspace, JAWS doesn’t repeat the character that’s been deleted through that method—the backspace key. It’s happened about three times now, and I have my key echo set to words. However, I don’t think this should have any problem, as for now in the currently typed message, the backspace works fine/as usual. This is the only bug I’ve found so far with the new JAWS.

Thank you,

Ashleigh Piccinino

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


moderated Key echo and the backspace key of JAWS 2021

Ashleigh Piccinino
 

Hello,

Do any of you notice this behavior when using JAWS 2021? I’m writing a document, and sometimes, when I need to backspace, JAWS doesn’t repeat the character that’s been deleted through that method—the backspace key. It’s happened about three times now, and I have my key echo set to words. However, I don’t think this should have any problem, as for now in the currently typed message, the backspace works fine/as usual. This is the only bug I’ve found so far with the new JAWS.

Thank you,

Ashleigh Piccinino

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


moderated Re: Possible Warning About JAWS 2021 and Speech

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Tom. This is the wrong Silenzio.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Lange
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 8:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Possible Warning About JAWS 2021 and Speech

Hi,
I found it at Sourceforge. It’s a relatively small zip file at 7.5 megs. You can get it at:

https://sourceforge.net/projects/silenzio/

Tom

On Nov 13, 2020, at 8:36 AM, Don Mauck <don.mauck@oracle.com> wrote:

I have it, however, every time I try to run it, my Virus program removes it and states it is a trojan.


Regards:

Don Mauck | Senior Accessibility Evangelist | Accessibility Program Office | (APO)

303.334.4184
Don.mauck@oracle.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Jessica D <jldail13@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 9:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Possible Warning About JAWS 2021 and Speech

Hi,
I’ll try it too.
Can you please send me the link as well?
Thanks,
Jessica
On Nov 13, 2020, at 11:17 AM, Tom Lange <lange85@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Chris,
I looked for Silenzio yesterday and couldn’t find it. Do have a link to it, or is it small enough to send it to me?
Thanks,
Tom


On Nov 13, 2020, at 4:56 AM, Chris Hill <hillco@earthlink.net> wrote:
Better yet, install silenzio, then you can still use audio ducking.



On 11/12/2020 18:58, Tom Lange wrote:
Hi all,

Immediately after installing JAWS 2021 this morning, I noticed that
speech at the beginning of words was being cut off when moving
around in dialog boxes, list views, et cetera. As you can well
imagine, the situation was intolerable and crazy-making . If this
happens to you after installing Fusion or JAWS 2021, you need to do
the following to solve the problem.

Step 1, press Insert+6 on the number row to get into Settings Center.
Step 2, press ctrl+shift+D to switch to the default settings.
Step 3, in the search box, type the word cut. Wait a few seconds
for the search results list to populate. You should see only one result.
It’s an unchecked checkbox with a label that reads as follows.

Avoid speech cutoff when using Bluetooth headphones or some sound cards.

If you tab away from that checkbox to read the explanatory text, you
should see some text that says

“Many modern Bluetooth headphones and speakers shut down after a
while of not receiving sound to conserve battery. If this check box
is selected, JAWS will keep them awake by constantly playing
silence. You will not hear anything, but your device will remain
active, resulting in more consistent speech.
Note that the battery of your headphones/speakers could drain faster
if you turn this on.
This check box is cleared by default.”

End of explanatory text.

Checking that checkbox will eliminate the speech cutoff. However,
the side effect is that some events will trigger a reduction in
speech volume, which can be troublesome if you’re only using a
laptop’s speakers. I compensated for this dip in volume by using
powered, wired external speakers.

Step 4, tab to the Apply button and press Enter or the space bar.
Step 5, tab to OK and press Enter to close Settings Center.

Note: The checkbox referenced in step 3 above is unchecked by
default in JAWS 2020 and Fusion 2020, and there is no speech cutoff.
So this is a bug which was apparently introduced in 2021 which needs
to be reported to Freedom Scientific.

I hope this helps you. Let me know if you have any questions.

Tom


















moderated Re: Possible Warning About JAWS 2021 and Speech

Chris Hill
 

It isn't easy to find.  I found one link that looks like it.  If this doesn't work, drop me an email directly and I'll figure something out.


http://www.stefankiss.sk/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=112

On 11/13/2020 11:55, Tom Lange wrote:
Hi,
I took a look at the silenzio.zip file that I got from sourceforge and it contains some sort of Italian avatar. OOPS! Sorry about that. Disregard my previous message. Chris, if you can post a link to the Silenzio program that would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Tom


On Nov 13, 2020, at 8:48 AM, Tom Lange via groups.io <lange85=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi,
I found it at Sourceforge. It’s a relatively small zip file at 7.5 megs. You can get it at:

https://sourceforge.net/projects/silenzio/

Tom

On Nov 13, 2020, at 8:36 AM, Don Mauck <don.mauck@oracle.com> wrote:

I have it, however, every time I try to run it, my Virus program removes it and states it is a trojan.


Regards:

Don Mauck | Senior Accessibility Evangelist | Accessibility Program Office | (APO)

303.334.4184
Don.mauck@oracle.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Jessica D <jldail13@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 9:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Possible Warning About JAWS 2021 and Speech

Hi,
I’ll try it too.
Can you please send me the link as well?
Thanks,
Jessica
On Nov 13, 2020, at 11:17 AM, Tom Lange <lange85@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Chris,
I looked for Silenzio yesterday and couldn’t find it. Do have a link to it, or is it small enough to send it to me?
Thanks,
Tom


On Nov 13, 2020, at 4:56 AM, Chris Hill <hillco@earthlink.net> wrote:
Better yet, install silenzio, then you can still use audio ducking.



On 11/12/2020 18:58, Tom Lange wrote:
Hi all,

Immediately after installing JAWS 2021 this morning, I noticed that
speech at the beginning of words was being cut off when moving
around in dialog boxes, list views, et cetera. As you can well
imagine, the situation was intolerable and crazy-making . If this
happens to you after installing Fusion or JAWS 2021, you need to do
the following to solve the problem.

Step 1, press Insert+6 on the number row to get into Settings Center.
Step 2, press ctrl+shift+D to switch to the default settings.
Step 3, in the search box, type the word cut. Wait a few seconds
for the search results list to populate. You should see only one result.
It’s an unchecked checkbox with a label that reads as follows.

Avoid speech cutoff when using Bluetooth headphones or some sound cards.

If you tab away from that checkbox to read the explanatory text, you
should see some text that says

“Many modern Bluetooth headphones and speakers shut down after a
while of not receiving sound to conserve battery. If this check box
is selected, JAWS will keep them awake by constantly playing
silence. You will not hear anything, but your device will remain
active, resulting in more consistent speech.
Note that the battery of your headphones/speakers could drain faster
if you turn this on.
This check box is cleared by default.”

End of explanatory text.

Checking that checkbox will eliminate the speech cutoff. However,
the side effect is that some events will trigger a reduction in
speech volume, which can be troublesome if you’re only using a
laptop’s speakers. I compensated for this dip in volume by using
powered, wired external speakers.

Step 4, tab to the Apply button and press Enter or the space bar.
Step 5, tab to OK and press Enter to close Settings Center.

Note: The checkbox referenced in step 3 above is unchecked by
default in JAWS 2020 and Fusion 2020, and there is no speech cutoff.
So this is a bug which was apparently introduced in 2021 which needs
to be reported to Freedom Scientific.

I hope this helps you. Let me know if you have any questions.

Tom


















moderated Re: Possible Warning About JAWS 2021 and Speech

Tom Lange
 

Hi,
I took a look at the silenzio.zip file that I got from sourceforge and it contains some sort of Italian avatar. OOPS! Sorry about that. Disregard my previous message. Chris, if you can post a link to the Silenzio program that would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Tom

On Nov 13, 2020, at 8:48 AM, Tom Lange via groups.io <lange85=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi,
I found it at Sourceforge. It’s a relatively small zip file at 7.5 megs. You can get it at:

https://sourceforge.net/projects/silenzio/

Tom

On Nov 13, 2020, at 8:36 AM, Don Mauck <don.mauck@oracle.com> wrote:

I have it, however, every time I try to run it, my Virus program removes it and states it is a trojan.


Regards:

Don Mauck | Senior Accessibility Evangelist | Accessibility Program Office | (APO)

303.334.4184
Don.mauck@oracle.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Jessica D <jldail13@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 9:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Possible Warning About JAWS 2021 and Speech

Hi,
I’ll try it too.
Can you please send me the link as well?
Thanks,
Jessica
On Nov 13, 2020, at 11:17 AM, Tom Lange <lange85@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Chris,
I looked for Silenzio yesterday and couldn’t find it. Do have a link to it, or is it small enough to send it to me?
Thanks,
Tom


On Nov 13, 2020, at 4:56 AM, Chris Hill <hillco@earthlink.net> wrote:
Better yet, install silenzio, then you can still use audio ducking.



On 11/12/2020 18:58, Tom Lange wrote:
Hi all,

Immediately after installing JAWS 2021 this morning, I noticed that
speech at the beginning of words was being cut off when moving
around in dialog boxes, list views, et cetera. As you can well
imagine, the situation was intolerable and crazy-making . If this
happens to you after installing Fusion or JAWS 2021, you need to do
the following to solve the problem.

Step 1, press Insert+6 on the number row to get into Settings Center.
Step 2, press ctrl+shift+D to switch to the default settings.
Step 3, in the search box, type the word cut. Wait a few seconds
for the search results list to populate. You should see only one result.
It’s an unchecked checkbox with a label that reads as follows.

Avoid speech cutoff when using Bluetooth headphones or some sound cards.

If you tab away from that checkbox to read the explanatory text, you
should see some text that says

“Many modern Bluetooth headphones and speakers shut down after a
while of not receiving sound to conserve battery. If this check box
is selected, JAWS will keep them awake by constantly playing
silence. You will not hear anything, but your device will remain
active, resulting in more consistent speech.
Note that the battery of your headphones/speakers could drain faster
if you turn this on.
This check box is cleared by default.”

End of explanatory text.

Checking that checkbox will eliminate the speech cutoff. However,
the side effect is that some events will trigger a reduction in
speech volume, which can be troublesome if you’re only using a
laptop’s speakers. I compensated for this dip in volume by using
powered, wired external speakers.

Step 4, tab to the Apply button and press Enter or the space bar.
Step 5, tab to OK and press Enter to close Settings Center.

Note: The checkbox referenced in step 3 above is unchecked by
default in JAWS 2020 and Fusion 2020, and there is no speech cutoff.
So this is a bug which was apparently introduced in 2021 which needs
to be reported to Freedom Scientific.

I hope this helps you. Let me know if you have any questions.

Tom





















moderated JAWS 2020 and virus software

Tony Sohl
 

Hi for people who are having issues with JAWS 2021 and virus software such as Norton and Mcaffee, there is a solution to this problem!

Apparently, from what I'm reading in the thread, the virus programs are treating JAWS like it's a Trojan ,malware or a virus. The software removes JAWS.

Once they are removed, enable Windows defender and this should solve the issue.

Hope this helps.

--
Sent from my Windows 10 HP


moderated Re: Jaws 2021

 

A new major version of Jaws is always a "clean install" because it does not upgrade your existing version but installs in addition to your existing version.

If you have Jaws 2020 on your system and install Jaws 2021 it does not matter whether you do so from a prompt to update given by Jaws 2020 or whether you go to the Jaws website and download the installer and then install it, afterwards you will have both Jaws 2020 and Jaws 2021 on your system.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pastor Gilbert Pries
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2020 8:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 2021

 

No,

I like to do a clean install.

 

Pastor Gilbert

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andrew Summers via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2020 7:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 2021

 

Thanks, but I thought if you had JAWS 2020, and you check for updates it would tell you there is a new version for 2021.

Mine did not so I went to the website.

Is that a bug?

 

Andrew

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pastor Gilbert Pries
Sent: 12 November 2020 14:54
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws 2021

 

Jaws 2021 is out.

I just downloaded and installed it.

 

Pastor Gilbert


moderated Re: Is anyone having the following jaws issue?

 

If you have an SMA left or are on the Jaws subscription plan you can just go to www.FreedomScientific.com and download Jaws 2021. Mike also provided the links as always.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Kolesar
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2020 7:57 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is anyone having the following jaws issue?

I was using my bank's web site which is fully accessible.
The web site is as follows:
www.northwest.bank
Also, I'm still running JAWS 2020.
I went to upgrade today and went through the help to check if there were any upgrades to jump to 2021, and I was informed that I was up to date.
So, will have to keep a eye out for the notification to jump to 20201.
Ron KR3DOG
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2020 13:56
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is anyone having the following jaws issue?

Which version of Jaws?
Any example web sites?



Richard
"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Kolesar
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2020 10:41 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Is anyone having the following jaws issue?

Hello to my fellow JAWS users.
I've noticed when attempting to fill out information when one plugs in one's password and what not and goes to abuse the spacebar or enter key, it leaves the web page and you need to alt tab back to the page you were trying to log into.
Just was curious to know if anyone else was or is having the same issue.
Ron KR3DOG

In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best Regards and or Best Whishes,From Ron Kolesar Volunteer Certified Licensed Emergency Communications Station And Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham Radio Station With the Call Sign of KR3DOG Who's now also Ares and NIMS Certified as well


moderated Re: Jaws 2021

Joseph Hudson
 

Mine told me I had updates tonight I haven't installed them yet but I will tomorrow.
joseph hudson

Email FaceTime and iMessage
jhud7789@twc.com


Office phone/what's up messenger

254-300-7667

Emergency sell

254-813-2461

https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404

https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

On Nov 12, 2020, at 9:33 AM, Andrew Summers via groups.io <asummers112=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Thanks, but I thought if you had JAWS 2020, and you check for updates it would tell you there is a new version for 2021.
Mine did not so I went to the website.
Is that a bug?

Andrew
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pastor Gilbert Pries
Sent: 12 November 2020 14:54
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws 2021

Jaws 2021 is out.
I just downloaded and installed it.

Pastor Gilbert


moderated Re: JAWS 2021

Joseph Hudson
 

Hi Mike, I was rushing through email as I told Michael. And I meant to say the middle of November. And I did see that it was released. I will be downloading it later. Does anybody know, whether I have to log into my subscription to download it?
joseph hudson

Email FaceTime and iMessage
jhud7789@twc.com


Office phone/what's up messenger

254-300-7667

Emergency sell

254-813-2461

https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404

https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

On Nov 12, 2020, at 10:37 PM, Mike B <mb69mach1@fastmail.com> wrote:

It was released today, and today is in November! LOL

I posted the download link and what's new earlier today to the list.

Take care and stay safe. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go Rams!
Main's Law: For every action there is an equal and opposite government program.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Hudson
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2020 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS 2021

If it's not gonna be out till November, why was there links posted as if it was out today very confusing.
On Nov 11, 2020, at 11:31 AM, Andrew Summers via groups.io<asummers112=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Thanks.

Andrew

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Vaughn Brown
Sent: 11 November 2020 16:59
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 2021

According to the Podcast it will be out by mid November. They are still working out some bugs.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andrew Summers via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 8:52 AM
To: JAWS <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: JAWS 2021

Hi All,
When are we going to get JAWS 2021?
I thought it would be out by now.

Andrew





moderated Re: jaws2021 back to jaws2020

 

If you have a license to run Jaws 2021 I would highly recommend you start using it. In today's fast-changing world of Windows updates and changes to the internet and so on there are always improvements to Jaws which are, if not essential, useful.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2020 8:52 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: jaws2021 back to jaws2020

 

Hi All  I didn’t realized  when jaws was asking me if I want to installed the jaws update  this morning in desktop and laptop computer  I thought I was updated the jaws2020 version latest  but didn’t know it was installed jaws2021  where it have already installed but I’m not ready to use jaws2021  right now and want to stop jaws2021  to go back to jaws2020  !! How can I stop jaws2021  to go back to jaws2020 ?

Addison


moderated Re: Microsoft 365 Word losing pages or at least hiding them

Richard Turner
 

Yes, but I would just use the ribbon to select what I want, thanks.

I have it on Print view now and that works fine.

Sometimes, it will decide it likes to show more than one page and I have to go and set that as well.

I wish software companies would stop thinking they know what we want.

 

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Mauck
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 8:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Microsoft 365 Word losing pages or at least hiding them

 

If you have NVDA installed, you’d have to change the startup keystroke for NVDA.

 

 

Regards:

 

Don Mauck | Senior Accessibility Evangelist | Accessibility Program Office |  (APO)

 

303.334.4184

Don.mauck@...

 

From: Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 8:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Microsoft 365 Word losing pages or at least hiding them

 

I’m not that Richard Turner.

Was that the card shark?

I did not hear the podcast.

 

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Robbins
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 7:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Microsoft 365 Word losing pages or at least hiding them

 

Richard,

 

I’ve had the same problem in the past. Problem was Word was in page view rather than draft mode. Switch to draft mode(ctrl, alt N) and you should be fine.

BTW, if you are the same Richard Turner featured on the past week’s POD cast, Eyes on Success, nice job!

 

Alan

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 10:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Microsoft 365 Word losing pages or at least hiding them

 

I have a truly crazy thing happening.

This happened in Jaws 2020 as well as 2021.

 

I have about a 9 page document with a simple list of the books we’ve read in our book group since 2008.

Each month’s book is on a separate line.

I just added the list from 2020.

When I then went back to review by arrowing up and down, it suddenly jumped from 2017 to the middle of a list I have at the end of other books that had been suggested.

 

But, if I select all, and copy into a text editor like Notetab Pro, everything is there as it should be.

 

Another odd thing is sometimes when arrowing up or down, when I hit a page break that is a “soft page break” meaning I did not put in a hard page break, I get the Windows error sounds and cannot arrow beyond that line into the next page.

I have to left arrow from the beginning of the line, or right arrow from the end of the line to get beyond that point.

I have the line spacing set to 1, I use Times New Roman 12 point font.

I’m not doing any fancy headings or font changes.

The window is maximized.

 

Any ideas what kind of Gremlin I have?

 

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 


moderated Re: Possible Warning About JAWS 2021 and Speech

Tom Lange
 

Hi,
I found it at Sourceforge. It’s a relatively small zip file at 7.5 megs. You can get it at:

https://sourceforge.net/projects/silenzio/

Tom

On Nov 13, 2020, at 8:36 AM, Don Mauck <don.mauck@oracle.com> wrote:

I have it, however, every time I try to run it, my Virus program removes it and states it is a trojan.


Regards:

Don Mauck | Senior Accessibility Evangelist | Accessibility Program Office | (APO)

303.334.4184
Don.mauck@oracle.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Jessica D <jldail13@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 9:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Possible Warning About JAWS 2021 and Speech

Hi,
I’ll try it too.
Can you please send me the link as well?
Thanks,
Jessica
On Nov 13, 2020, at 11:17 AM, Tom Lange <lange85@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Chris,
I looked for Silenzio yesterday and couldn’t find it. Do have a link to it, or is it small enough to send it to me?
Thanks,
Tom


On Nov 13, 2020, at 4:56 AM, Chris Hill <hillco@earthlink.net> wrote:
Better yet, install silenzio, then you can still use audio ducking.



On 11/12/2020 18:58, Tom Lange wrote:
Hi all,

Immediately after installing JAWS 2021 this morning, I noticed that
speech at the beginning of words was being cut off when moving
around in dialog boxes, list views, et cetera. As you can well
imagine, the situation was intolerable and crazy-making . If this
happens to you after installing Fusion or JAWS 2021, you need to do
the following to solve the problem.

Step 1, press Insert+6 on the number row to get into Settings Center.
Step 2, press ctrl+shift+D to switch to the default settings.
Step 3, in the search box, type the word cut. Wait a few seconds
for the search results list to populate. You should see only one result.
It’s an unchecked checkbox with a label that reads as follows.

Avoid speech cutoff when using Bluetooth headphones or some sound cards.

If you tab away from that checkbox to read the explanatory text, you
should see some text that says

“Many modern Bluetooth headphones and speakers shut down after a
while of not receiving sound to conserve battery. If this check box
is selected, JAWS will keep them awake by constantly playing
silence. You will not hear anything, but your device will remain
active, resulting in more consistent speech.
Note that the battery of your headphones/speakers could drain faster
if you turn this on.
This check box is cleared by default.”

End of explanatory text.

Checking that checkbox will eliminate the speech cutoff. However,
the side effect is that some events will trigger a reduction in
speech volume, which can be troublesome if you’re only using a
laptop’s speakers. I compensated for this dip in volume by using
powered, wired external speakers.

Step 4, tab to the Apply button and press Enter or the space bar.
Step 5, tab to OK and press Enter to close Settings Center.

Note: The checkbox referenced in step 3 above is unchecked by
default in JAWS 2020 and Fusion 2020, and there is no speech cutoff.
So this is a bug which was apparently introduced in 2021 which needs
to be reported to Freedom Scientific.

I hope this helps you. Let me know if you have any questions.

Tom


















moderated Re: Microsoft 365 Word losing pages or at least hiding them

Don Mauck
 

If you have NVDA installed, you’d have to change the startup keystroke for NVDA.

 

 

Regards:

 

Don Mauck | Senior Accessibility Evangelist | Accessibility Program Office |  (APO)

 

303.334.4184

Don.mauck@...

 

From: Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 8:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Microsoft 365 Word losing pages or at least hiding them

 

I’m not that Richard Turner.

Was that the card shark?

I did not hear the podcast.

 

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Robbins
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 7:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Microsoft 365 Word losing pages or at least hiding them

 

Richard,

 

I’ve had the same problem in the past. Problem was Word was in page view rather than draft mode. Switch to draft mode(ctrl, alt N) and you should be fine.

BTW, if you are the same Richard Turner featured on the past week’s POD cast, Eyes on Success, nice job!

 

Alan

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 10:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Microsoft 365 Word losing pages or at least hiding them

 

I have a truly crazy thing happening.

This happened in Jaws 2020 as well as 2021.

 

I have about a 9 page document with a simple list of the books we’ve read in our book group since 2008.

Each month’s book is on a separate line.

I just added the list from 2020.

When I then went back to review by arrowing up and down, it suddenly jumped from 2017 to the middle of a list I have at the end of other books that had been suggested.

 

But, if I select all, and copy into a text editor like Notetab Pro, everything is there as it should be.

 

Another odd thing is sometimes when arrowing up or down, when I hit a page break that is a “soft page break” meaning I did not put in a hard page break, I get the Windows error sounds and cannot arrow beyond that line into the next page.

I have to left arrow from the beginning of the line, or right arrow from the end of the line to get beyond that point.

I have the line spacing set to 1, I use Times New Roman 12 point font.

I’m not doing any fancy headings or font changes.

The window is maximized.

 

Any ideas what kind of Gremlin I have?

 

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 


moderated Re: Possible Warning About JAWS 2021 and Speech

Don Mauck
 

I have it, however, every time I try to run it, my Virus program removes it and states it is a trojan.


Regards:

Don Mauck | Senior Accessibility Evangelist | Accessibility Program Office | (APO)

303.334.4184
Don.mauck@oracle.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Jessica D <jldail13@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 9:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Possible Warning About JAWS 2021 and Speech

Hi,
I’ll try it too.
Can you please send me the link as well?
Thanks,
Jessica
On Nov 13, 2020, at 11:17 AM, Tom Lange <lange85@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Chris,
I looked for Silenzio yesterday and couldn’t find it. Do have a link to it, or is it small enough to send it to me?
Thanks,
Tom


On Nov 13, 2020, at 4:56 AM, Chris Hill <hillco@earthlink.net> wrote:

Better yet, install silenzio, then you can still use audio ducking.



On 11/12/2020 18:58, Tom Lange wrote:
Hi all,

Immediately after installing JAWS 2021 this morning, I noticed that
speech at the beginning of words was being cut off when moving
around in dialog boxes, list views, et cetera. As you can well
imagine, the situation was intolerable and crazy-making . If this
happens to you after installing Fusion or JAWS 2021, you need to do
the following to solve the problem.

Step 1, press Insert+6 on the number row to get into Settings Center.
Step 2, press ctrl+shift+D to switch to the default settings.
Step 3, in the search box, type the word cut. Wait a few seconds
for the search results list to populate. You should see only one result.
It’s an unchecked checkbox with a label that reads as follows.

Avoid speech cutoff when using Bluetooth headphones or some sound cards.

If you tab away from that checkbox to read the explanatory text, you
should see some text that says

“Many modern Bluetooth headphones and speakers shut down after a
while of not receiving sound to conserve battery. If this check box
is selected, JAWS will keep them awake by constantly playing
silence. You will not hear anything, but your device will remain
active, resulting in more consistent speech.
Note that the battery of your headphones/speakers could drain faster
if you turn this on.
This check box is cleared by default.”

End of explanatory text.

Checking that checkbox will eliminate the speech cutoff. However,
the side effect is that some events will trigger a reduction in
speech volume, which can be troublesome if you’re only using a
laptop’s speakers. I compensated for this dip in volume by using
powered, wired external speakers.

Step 4, tab to the Apply button and press Enter or the space bar.
Step 5, tab to OK and press Enter to close Settings Center.

Note: The checkbox referenced in step 3 above is unchecked by
default in JAWS 2020 and Fusion 2020, and there is no speech cutoff.
So this is a bug which was apparently introduced in 2021 which needs
to be reported to Freedom Scientific.

I hope this helps you. Let me know if you have any questions.

Tom










moderated Re: Possible Warning About JAWS 2021 and Speech

Jessica D <jldail13@...>
 

Hi,
I’ll try it too.
Can you please send me the link as well?
Thanks,
Jessica

On Nov 13, 2020, at 11:17 AM, Tom Lange <lange85@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Chris,
I looked for Silenzio yesterday and couldn’t find it. Do have a link to it, or is it small enough to send it to me?
Thanks,
Tom


On Nov 13, 2020, at 4:56 AM, Chris Hill <hillco@earthlink.net> wrote:

Better yet, install silenzio, then you can still use audio ducking.



On 11/12/2020 18:58, Tom Lange wrote:
Hi all,

Immediately after installing JAWS 2021 this morning, I noticed that
speech at the beginning of words was being cut off when moving around
in dialog boxes, list views, et cetera. As you can well imagine, the
situation was intolerable and crazy-making . If this happens to you
after installing Fusion or JAWS 2021, you need to do the following to
solve the problem.

Step 1, press Insert+6 on the number row to get into Settings Center.
Step 2, press ctrl+shift+D to switch to the default settings.
Step 3, in the search box, type the word cut. Wait a few seconds for
the search results list to populate. You should see only one result.
It’s an unchecked checkbox with a label that reads as follows.

Avoid speech cutoff when using Bluetooth headphones or some sound cards.

If you tab away from that checkbox to read the explanatory text, you
should see some text that says

“Many modern Bluetooth headphones and speakers shut down after a while
of not receiving sound to conserve battery. If this check box is
selected, JAWS
will keep them awake by constantly playing silence. You will not hear
anything, but your device will remain active, resulting in more
consistent speech.
Note that the battery of your headphones/speakers could drain faster
if you turn this on.
This check box is cleared by default.”

End of explanatory text.

Checking that checkbox will eliminate the speech cutoff. However, the
side effect is that some events will trigger a reduction in speech
volume, which can be troublesome if you’re only using a laptop’s
speakers. I compensated for this dip in volume by using powered, wired
external speakers.

Step 4, tab to the Apply button and press Enter or the space bar.
Step 5, tab to OK and press Enter to close Settings Center.

Note: The checkbox referenced in step 3 above is unchecked by default
in JAWS 2020 and Fusion 2020, and there is no speech cutoff. So this
is a bug which was apparently introduced in 2021 which needs to be
reported to Freedom Scientific.

I hope this helps you. Let me know if you have any questions.

Tom










moderated Re: Possible Warning About JAWS 2021 and Speech

Tom Lange
 

Hi Chris,
I looked for Silenzio yesterday and couldn’t find it. Do have a link to it, or is it small enough to send it to me?
Thanks,
Tom

On Nov 13, 2020, at 4:56 AM, Chris Hill <hillco@earthlink.net> wrote:

Better yet, install silenzio, then you can still use audio ducking.



On 11/12/2020 18:58, Tom Lange wrote:
Hi all,

Immediately after installing JAWS 2021 this morning, I noticed that
speech at the beginning of words was being cut off when moving around
in dialog boxes, list views, et cetera. As you can well imagine, the
situation was intolerable and crazy-making . If this happens to you
after installing Fusion or JAWS 2021, you need to do the following to
solve the problem.

Step 1, press Insert+6 on the number row to get into Settings Center.
Step 2, press ctrl+shift+D to switch to the default settings.
Step 3, in the search box, type the word cut. Wait a few seconds for
the search results list to populate. You should see only one result.
It’s an unchecked checkbox with a label that reads as follows.

Avoid speech cutoff when using Bluetooth headphones or some sound cards.

If you tab away from that checkbox to read the explanatory text, you
should see some text that says

“Many modern Bluetooth headphones and speakers shut down after a while
of not receiving sound to conserve battery. If this check box is
selected, JAWS
will keep them awake by constantly playing silence. You will not hear
anything, but your device will remain active, resulting in more
consistent speech.
Note that the battery of your headphones/speakers could drain faster
if you turn this on.
This check box is cleared by default.”

End of explanatory text.

Checking that checkbox will eliminate the speech cutoff. However, the
side effect is that some events will trigger a reduction in speech
volume, which can be troublesome if you’re only using a laptop’s
speakers. I compensated for this dip in volume by using powered, wired
external speakers.

Step 4, tab to the Apply button and press Enter or the space bar.
Step 5, tab to OK and press Enter to close Settings Center.

Note: The checkbox referenced in step 3 above is unchecked by default
in JAWS 2020 and Fusion 2020, and there is no speech cutoff. So this
is a bug which was apparently introduced in 2021 which needs to be
reported to Freedom Scientific.

I hope this helps you. Let me know if you have any questions.

Tom






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