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Re: Getting embedded links to work again in Outlook Express

Mike & Barbara In Arcadia <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi Tom,

1 other thought. If you are getting messages in plain text, having HTML
checked in the Read tab of Toolls / Options won't change the format in which
you receive them. If I'm wrong someone please correct me. Take care.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: tom behler
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: Getting embedded links to work again in Outlook Express


Adrian:

I tried your suggestion, but still no luck.

I am wondering if some setting in Outlook Express is incorrect, but can't
figure out what that might be.

Will keep trying here, and I appreciate everyone's tolerance of this
thread.

Hopefully, others who may be having the same problem will benefit from
whatever solutions arise.

Tom Behler

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 8:50 PM
Subject: RE: Getting embedded links to work again in Outlook Express


Hi, Tom.

In addition to the suggestions Mike passed along, I find with Outlook (I
realize you're using OE) that moving the focus to the right of the "h" in
an http" link enables my XP system to click the link. Until a friend made
the suggestion off-list, I'd been unable to make email links work in
Outlook. Maybe it will also work in OE now.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of tom behler
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 7:42 PM
To: Jaws users e-mail list
Subject: Getting embedded links to work again in Outlook Express

Hello, everyone.

I am not sure if this is a Jaws issue, or something else, so I hope this
won't be considered to be too "off topic" for the list.

I currently use Outlook Express as my e-mail program on this Windows XP
laptop.

I used to be able to directly access embedded links in an e-mail, but seem
to have lost that capability recently.

I have gone into the Options under Outlook Express, and made sure the box
that says "read only in plain text" was un-checked.

This has not solved my problem.

Can anyone else tell me what to try either in Outlook Express, or maybe
even

in Jaws to get embedded links to work again?

Thanks very much.

Tom Behler from Michigan



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Re: Getting embedded links to work again in Outlook Express

Stan Holdeman
 

Hi: I thought it has something to do with the set-up in the machine that
created the email. Links in my daughter's email never work. Most of the time
links in other emails work as they should.

Stan

----- Original Message -----
From: "tom behler" <tombehler@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: Getting embedded links to work again in Outlook Express


Adrian:

I tried your suggestion, but still no luck.

I am wondering if some setting in Outlook Express is incorrect, but can't
figure out what that might be.

Will keep trying here, and I appreciate everyone's tolerance of this thread.

Hopefully, others who may be having the same problem will benefit from
whatever solutions arise.

Tom Behler

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 8:50 PM
Subject: RE: Getting embedded links to work again in Outlook Express


Hi, Tom.

In addition to the suggestions Mike passed along, I find with Outlook (I
realize you're using OE) that moving the focus to the right of the "h" in
an http" link enables my XP system to click the link. Until a friend made
the suggestion off-list, I'd been unable to make email links work in
Outlook. Maybe it will also work in OE now.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of tom behler
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 7:42 PM
To: Jaws users e-mail list
Subject: Getting embedded links to work again in Outlook Express

Hello, everyone.

I am not sure if this is a Jaws issue, or something else, so I hope this
won't be considered to be too "off topic" for the list.

I currently use Outlook Express as my e-mail program on this Windows XP
laptop.

I used to be able to directly access embedded links in an e-mail, but seem
to have lost that capability recently.

I have gone into the Options under Outlook Express, and made sure the box
that says "read only in plain text" was un-checked.

This has not solved my problem.

Can anyone else tell me what to try either in Outlook Express, or maybe even

in Jaws to get embedded links to work again?

Thanks very much.

Tom Behler from Michigan



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Re: VPN and tokens

Dave...
 

Yes, I use this all the time for work. SoftToken is a program that generates
a token based on two factors:

1. It is running on the computer it is expecting to find (such as my
laptop), and
2. I input a 4-digit pin to create the token.

Then I copy the token, shut down SoftToken and paste into the VPN password
field.

Simple and elegant.

Your company should have no issues, as it's just as secure as one of those
token cards.

Here's the Help/About screen from my copy:

About SofToken II
SofToken II (Version 2.1.1)
Product Info: SofToken Info:
File Version: 2.1.1 Serial Num: xxxxxx
Copyright © 2002 Secure Computing API Version: 2.1
Secure Computing Corporation Type: DES Silver
Mode: Asynchronous
Phone: (Main) 1.800.692.5625
(Sales) 1.800.379.4944
(Support) 1.800.700.8328
(Intl. Support) 1.651.628.1500
Fax: 1.408.918.6101
Email: support@securecomputing.com
sales@securecomputing.com
Web: http://www.securecomputing.com
OK
Dave Carlson
Written with grammatical care, punctuation, and capitalization because I
empathize with readers of my mail. From my Dell Latitude 630 in the general
vicinity of my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara Anne Bolin" <barbaraanne1@mac.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 17:41
Subject: VPN and tokens


Hello List Friends,

My company is being directed by the government entity for which we
have a long term contract to use VPN with tokens. With my last employer, we
used a VPN SoftId solution. SoftId uses VPN without a token by displaying a
graphical set of numbers on the computer screen. A coworker then wrote a
macro/script to cut and paste the graphic into the Pass code. Then the
verification was performed with no problems.
My company in their infinite wisdom will not even investigate this solution.
Before I raise this to a legal level, can any of you provide any
information? I cannot imagine the government requiring a solution that is
not able to be 508 Compliant.
If you have any experience with using VPN, in an environment that uses
tokens, will you please contact me off list at BarbaraAnne1@Mac.com?
Always,
Barbara Anne




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Re: How Fast do People use JAWS to read?

ptusing <ptusing@...>
 

Hi,
I tried to use 3 Real Speak voices at only 230 words per minute on a computer which was very fastand had more memory than my present computer.

At 230 words per minute, a word ending in a consonant like a d
would blend into the following word beginning with a vowel likethe word
"incentive".
Also softer consonants were not pronounced clearly like the letter f or s enbedded inside a word at 230 words per minute.

At really slower speeds, the speech is clear; but who works at slower speeds?

I simply do not have time to work slowly and need 230 words per minute or better.

Besides Eloquence which is satisfactory forsome uses, , are there alternatives which do not
corrupt the understanding at productive reading speeds at 230 and higher speeds like the Real Speak voices?

Thanks.

----- Original Message -----
From: <ckrugman@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support mailing list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 2:47 AM
Subject: Re: How Fast do People use JAWS to read?


as I stated previously JAWS used to show the actual rate and I recall thatat rate 95 ]\= 50% and when it actually showed the word count it was at 350 WPM. If you have any earlier versions of JAWS you might go back to them and experiment with the settings under voices in the options menu to find out more about word rates.
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Virgil Cook" <vcook@vt.edu>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support mailing list'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 9:03 AM
Subject: RE: How Fast do People use JAWS to read?


How do you determine the WPM, since the rate is shown in percentages?

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of ckrugman@sbcglobal.net
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 11:09 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
Subject: Re: How Fast do People use JAWS to read?

I use it at about 350wpm and sometimes a bit higher.
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Dicey" <adicey@bellsouth.net>
To: "JAWS Information List" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 6:52 AM
Subject: How Fast do People use JAWS to read?


Dear elf,
Oh my, you mean you can read JAWS at 500 words per minute?

I know the 300 Words Per Minute I am currently using was not as fast as I
could use JAWS and comprehend pretty well, Perhaps I might go 400 Words
per minute and with Practice be able to comprehend pretty well, but 500
words per minute?
Never!

And yes, I was sighted and I do not think I ever read at 400 words a
minute with eyesight.

Just for my information, which I will gratefully appreciate, how fast do
most of you fine folks use JAWS?
At Home?
At Work?

Thanks for any input!

With Best Regards,
Alan
Miami, Florida
Alan Dicey, President
United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA
"Yes, Blind and Visually Impaired People, Can, and Do, Play Chess!"
United States Braille Chess Association Home Page:
http://AmericanBlindChess.org



----- Original Message -----
From: "inthane" <inthaneelf@roadrunner.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support mailing list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 1:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] what is this?


having been fully sighted I can answer this, the sighted world doesn't
know how to handle multiple inputs! simple and to the point...

for the main part everything in the "normal" world is based on the
written word, it doesn't matter for the main part that not everyone
learns well from the written word, that's the way its done.

so much so that I wasn't hearing half of what was going on around me
sound wise when I had my site, and had to relearn how to focus on sound
in order to get past the noise filters I had developed in my mind.
luckily the human body will assist you with that when its deprived of its
main sensory input.

and I was a mechanic, so was used to "using my ears" in assistance to
diagnosing problems with gas and diesel engines

not well done, but its how it's done out there

so they have no motivation, nor the trained in capacity to use the
"additional" input presented by programs like jaws and such, absolutely
none, another bad point is at the rate of reading I had, which was about
500 words a minute, I would not have been able to make much sense out of
what would have been coming out of the speakers if the speech program was
trying to keep up with my visual reading speed

elf
. Moderator, Blind Access Help.
. Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
"own the might and majesty of an alacorn"
www.alacorncomputer.com
. proprietor: Inthane's Grab Bag
for blind computer users and Programmers!
http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brandon Keith (Biggs)" <brandonboy13@comcast.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support mailing list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] what is this?


Yeah, because Jaws doesn't even write by itself...
If Jaws can't complete it, it's because your fingers are unable to move
over the keys to complete it...
And anyone on this list should be able to identify the difference
between "Text to speech" and "Speech to text." JFW is the first one! :)
I'm wondering why can't or don't sighted people use JFW regularly? It's
so much faster using Jaws to read than it is to use your eyes. I'd think
using both your eyes and your ears would make for extraordinary speeds
on the computer...
Also when reading books, I can get through one and a half 400 page book
in a day if I just read on my travel time, so why couldn't products for
the blind get legalized for sighted people and mainstreamed?
Just a random question that I've never been able to comprehend never
being sighted...
Thanks,

Brandon Keith Biggs

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From: "Kerri" <shalom75@shaw.ca>
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 3:10 PM
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support mailing list'"
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: [Bulk] what is this?

I think he's using jaw bridge or that voice recognition programs and
jfw
simultaneously.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Dave Scrimenti
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 8:13 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
Subject: Re: [Bulk] what is this?

Perhaps it's one of those great universal puzzles that we're just not
suppose to ever comprehend.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Soronel Haetir" <soronel.haetir@gmail.com>
To: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>; "The Jaws for Windows
support mailing list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 10:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] what is this?


That's a lot more polite than what I was thinking about that
particular message.

On 5/28/11, Farfar Carlson <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
And we are supposed to understand what you wrote? Are you writing in
a language that is even terrestrial? Get a grip and try again to
write something intelligent.

Dave
Composed on a Dell Latitude 630 in the general vicinity of my Audio
Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area.
----- Original Message -----
From: "rbl.gulftel.com" <rbl@gulftel.com>
To: <Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 12:48
Subject: [Bulk] what is this?


really confusing, jaws does not give me a chance a chance cannot even
comp;lete this because jaws can't understand me

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Re: Getting embedded links to work again in Outlook Express

Mike & Barbara In Arcadia <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi Tom,

Have you tried copying the link & pasting into your browser? I know you
shouldn't have to do this but, about 10% of the links I get in emails, that
is what I have to do. 1 other thing to check is, on the Security Page in
Tools / Options, tab to, Block images and other external content in HTML
e-mail, if this box is check, uncheck it & see if that helps. Take care.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: tom behler
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: Getting embedded links to work again in Outlook Express


Mike:

Believe it or not, I tried all three of the suggestions you sent, and the
problem still persists.

Interestingly, when I do the two options involving the Jaws key plus f7,
and
I'm in the body of the e-mail with my cursor positioned on the embedded
link, Jaws says "no links".

Tom Behler

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike & Barbara In Arcadia" <mb69mach1@charter.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: Getting embedded links to work again in Outlook Express


Hi Tom,

Below are a few different notes I have saved regarding your issue.
From: "Alan Dicey" <adicey@bellsouth.net>
Hello Ron, and others,
The way I have always opened links is to position my curser on them.
Then do a JAWS Key F7
Tab once .
This "Moves to Link"
Tab again
This "activates" the link
then hit Enter
I have opened links like this since JAWS 3.3
Alan

From: "Justin Williams" <justin.williams2@gmail.com>

also, if you just do an insert f7, and press enter on the link, then itd
would also work.

From: "Victor" <victor.gouveia@rogers.com>

Hi Lenny and everyone else experiencing this problem.

Press insert+Z. Do it several times until Jaws states on for all
applications.

I don't know why this happens, but suffice it to say, this seems to happen
to me quite frequently.

Will have to write Jaws tech support about it.

Victor


From: "Rick Justice" <ricjustice@jaws-users.com>

Hi Victor,
It would be helpful to folks if you told what the keystroke does.
Jaws key + Z, toggles the virtual cursor on and off.
Rick Justice


From: "Lenny McHugh" <lmchugh@verizon.net>

Hi Rick,
That was also a question that I was going to ask. I don't know what it
does
in the background but it does correct the problem. I just opened an email
with several links and none were identified as links. I used insert z
three
times and the links in the email were identified. What an interesting
work-around.
Lenny

Hope at least 1 of these helped you. Take care.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: tom behler
To: Jaws users e-mail list
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 4:42 PM
Subject: Getting embedded links to work again in Outlook Express


Hello, everyone.

I am not sure if this is a Jaws issue, or something else, so I hope this
won't be considered to be too "off topic" for the list.

I currently use Outlook Express as my e-mail program on this Windows XP
laptop.

I used to be able to directly access embedded links in an e-mail, but
seem
to have lost that capability recently.

I have gone into the Options under Outlook Express, and made sure the
box
that says "read only in plain text" was un-checked.

This has not solved my problem.

Can anyone else tell me what to try either in Outlook Express, or maybe
even
in Jaws to get embedded links to work again?

Thanks very much.

Tom Behler from Michigan



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Re: Getting embedded links to work again in Outlook Express

Tom Behler
 

Adrian:

I tried your suggestion, but still no luck.

I am wondering if some setting in Outlook Express is incorrect, but can't
figure out what that might be.

Will keep trying here, and I appreciate everyone's tolerance of this thread.

Hopefully, others who may be having the same problem will benefit from
whatever solutions arise.

Tom Behler

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 8:50 PM
Subject: RE: Getting embedded links to work again in Outlook Express


Hi, Tom.

In addition to the suggestions Mike passed along, I find with Outlook (I
realize you're using OE) that moving the focus to the right of the "h" in
an http" link enables my XP system to click the link. Until a friend made
the suggestion off-list, I'd been unable to make email links work in
Outlook. Maybe it will also work in OE now.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of tom behler
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 7:42 PM
To: Jaws users e-mail list
Subject: Getting embedded links to work again in Outlook Express

Hello, everyone.

I am not sure if this is a Jaws issue, or something else, so I hope this
won't be considered to be too "off topic" for the list.

I currently use Outlook Express as my e-mail program on this Windows XP
laptop.

I used to be able to directly access embedded links in an e-mail, but seem
to have lost that capability recently.

I have gone into the Options under Outlook Express, and made sure the box
that says "read only in plain text" was un-checked.

This has not solved my problem.

Can anyone else tell me what to try either in Outlook Express, or maybe even

in Jaws to get embedded links to work again?

Thanks very much.

Tom Behler from Michigan



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Re: Getting embedded links to work again in Outlook Express

Adrian Spratt
 

Hi, Tom.

In addition to the suggestions Mike passed along, I find with Outlook (I
realize you're using OE) that moving the focus to the right of the "h" in
an http" link enables my XP system to click the link. Until a friend made
the suggestion off-list, I'd been unable to make email links work in
Outlook. Maybe it will also work in OE now.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of tom behler
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 7:42 PM
To: Jaws users e-mail list
Subject: Getting embedded links to work again in Outlook Express

Hello, everyone.

I am not sure if this is a Jaws issue, or something else, so I hope this
won't be considered to be too "off topic" for the list.

I currently use Outlook Express as my e-mail program on this Windows XP
laptop.

I used to be able to directly access embedded links in an e-mail, but seem
to have lost that capability recently.

I have gone into the Options under Outlook Express, and made sure the box
that says "read only in plain text" was un-checked.

This has not solved my problem.

Can anyone else tell me what to try either in Outlook Express, or maybe even

in Jaws to get embedded links to work again?

Thanks very much.

Tom Behler from Michigan



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Re: Getting embedded links to work again in Outlook Express

Tom Behler
 

Mike:

Believe it or not, I tried all three of the suggestions you sent, and the
problem still persists.

Interestingly, when I do the two options involving the Jaws key plus f7, and
I'm in the body of the e-mail with my cursor positioned on the embedded
link, Jaws says "no links".

Tom Behler

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike & Barbara In Arcadia" <mb69mach1@charter.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: Getting embedded links to work again in Outlook Express


Hi Tom,

Below are a few different notes I have saved regarding your issue.
From: "Alan Dicey" <adicey@bellsouth.net>
Hello Ron, and others,
The way I have always opened links is to position my curser on them.
Then do a JAWS Key F7
Tab once .
This "Moves to Link"
Tab again
This "activates" the link
then hit Enter
I have opened links like this since JAWS 3.3
Alan

From: "Justin Williams" <justin.williams2@gmail.com>

also, if you just do an insert f7, and press enter on the link, then itd
would also work.

From: "Victor" <victor.gouveia@rogers.com>

Hi Lenny and everyone else experiencing this problem.

Press insert+Z. Do it several times until Jaws states on for all
applications.

I don't know why this happens, but suffice it to say, this seems to happen
to me quite frequently.

Will have to write Jaws tech support about it.

Victor


From: "Rick Justice" <ricjustice@jaws-users.com>

Hi Victor,
It would be helpful to folks if you told what the keystroke does.
Jaws key + Z, toggles the virtual cursor on and off.
Rick Justice


From: "Lenny McHugh" <lmchugh@verizon.net>

Hi Rick,
That was also a question that I was going to ask. I don't know what it does
in the background but it does correct the problem. I just opened an email
with several links and none were identified as links. I used insert z three
times and the links in the email were identified. What an interesting
work-around.
Lenny

Hope at least 1 of these helped you. Take care.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: tom behler
To: Jaws users e-mail list
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 4:42 PM
Subject: Getting embedded links to work again in Outlook Express


Hello, everyone.

I am not sure if this is a Jaws issue, or something else, so I hope this
won't be considered to be too "off topic" for the list.

I currently use Outlook Express as my e-mail program on this Windows XP
laptop.

I used to be able to directly access embedded links in an e-mail, but seem
to have lost that capability recently.

I have gone into the Options under Outlook Express, and made sure the box
that says "read only in plain text" was un-checked.

This has not solved my problem.

Can anyone else tell me what to try either in Outlook Express, or maybe
even
in Jaws to get embedded links to work again?

Thanks very much.

Tom Behler from Michigan



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VPN and tokens

Barbara Anne Bolin <barbaraanne1@...>
 

Hello List Friends,

My company is being directed by the government entity for which we
have a long term contract to use VPN with tokens. With my last employer, we
used a VPN SoftId solution. SoftId uses VPN without a token by displaying a
graphical set of numbers on the computer screen. A coworker then wrote a
macro/script to cut and paste the graphic into the Pass code. Then the
verification was performed with no problems.
My company in their infinite wisdom will not even investigate this solution.
Before I raise this to a legal level, can any of you provide any
information? I cannot imagine the government requiring a solution that is
not able to be 508 Compliant.
If you have any experience with using VPN, in an environment that uses
tokens, will you please contact me off list at BarbaraAnne1@Mac.com?
Always,
Barbara Anne


Re: Getting embedded links to work again in Outlook Express

Mike & Barbara In Arcadia <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi Tom,

Below are a few different notes I have saved regarding your issue.
From: "Alan Dicey" <adicey@bellsouth.net>
Hello Ron, and others,
The way I have always opened links is to position my curser on them.
Then do a JAWS Key F7
Tab once .
This "Moves to Link"
Tab again
This "activates" the link
then hit Enter
I have opened links like this since JAWS 3.3
Alan

From: "Justin Williams" <justin.williams2@gmail.com>

also, if you just do an insert f7, and press enter on the link, then itd
would also work.

From: "Victor" <victor.gouveia@rogers.com>

Hi Lenny and everyone else experiencing this problem.

Press insert+Z. Do it several times until Jaws states on for all
applications.

I don't know why this happens, but suffice it to say, this seems to happen
to me quite frequently.

Will have to write Jaws tech support about it.

Victor


From: "Rick Justice" <ricjustice@jaws-users.com>

Hi Victor,
It would be helpful to folks if you told what the keystroke does.
Jaws key + Z, toggles the virtual cursor on and off.
Rick Justice


From: "Lenny McHugh" <lmchugh@verizon.net>

Hi Rick,
That was also a question that I was going to ask. I don't know what it does
in the background but it does correct the problem. I just opened an email
with several links and none were identified as links. I used insert z three
times and the links in the email were identified. What an interesting
work-around.
Lenny

Hope at least 1 of these helped you. Take care.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: tom behler
To: Jaws users e-mail list
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 4:42 PM
Subject: Getting embedded links to work again in Outlook Express


Hello, everyone.

I am not sure if this is a Jaws issue, or something else, so I hope this
won't be considered to be too "off topic" for the list.

I currently use Outlook Express as my e-mail program on this Windows XP
laptop.

I used to be able to directly access embedded links in an e-mail, but seem
to have lost that capability recently.

I have gone into the Options under Outlook Express, and made sure the box
that says "read only in plain text" was un-checked.

This has not solved my problem.

Can anyone else tell me what to try either in Outlook Express, or maybe
even
in Jaws to get embedded links to work again?

Thanks very much.

Tom Behler from Michigan



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Getting embedded links to work again in Outlook Express

Tom Behler
 

Hello, everyone.

I am not sure if this is a Jaws issue, or something else, so I hope this
won't be considered to be too "off topic" for the list.

I currently use Outlook Express as my e-mail program on this Windows XP
laptop.

I used to be able to directly access embedded links in an e-mail, but seem
to have lost that capability recently.

I have gone into the Options under Outlook Express, and made sure the box
that says "read only in plain text" was un-checked.

This has not solved my problem.

Can anyone else tell me what to try either in Outlook Express, or maybe even
in Jaws to get embedded links to work again?

Thanks very much.

Tom Behler from Michigan


Re: unsubscribe

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Re: How to determine the Reading Speed you have your JAWS set to

Sugar <sugarsyl71@...>
 

very cool
thanks
I think mine is set up at 75 or something
thanks
sugar

'Real tears are not those that fall from your eyes and cover your face,
but that fall from your heart and cover your soul.'
~Be Blessed, Sugar

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Dicey" <adicey@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 6:59 AM
Subject: How to determine the Reading Speed you have your JAWS set to


Dear Friends,

This message will tell you how you can compute the Reading Speed you have your JAWS set at.

It also has a small Chart, with the percentages that show up in the JAWS settings and the equivalent reading speeds, but since most computers will not run as fast as others, the best way is to follow the instructions and get a better closer rate of speed.



With Best Regards,
Alan
Miami, Florida
Alan Dicey, President
United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA
"Yes, Blind and Visually Impaired People, Can, and Do, Play Chess!"
United States Braille Chess Association Home Page: http://AmericanBlindChess.org



Known factors which influence speed outcomes:

1. By default, the screen reader pauses for a fraction of a second at sentence punctuation marks, such as commas and periods, in order to give a better reading experience. This would tend to give a slightly slower average speed for each percentage.

2. In calculating the number of characters, punctuation of all kinds, including quotation marks, dashes, and sentence punctuation and other printable characters were included (spaces were excluded). This would tend to give a higher character count, and therefore, a higher average speed. Though this has not been tested, the assumption is that the two variables tend to cancel out one another.

3. Different versions of the Eloquence synthesizer have yielded different results. Both Window-Eyes and JAWS have included a proprietary version of Eloquence within their screen reader in recent releases. These versions have yielded higher rates from the nonproprietary versions.

4. Probably related to the previous point, we found that current versions of these two screen readers produced markedly different reading rates at the same percentages.

The test was performed for Window-Eyes 7 and JAWS 11 with their own proprietary version of Eloquence.

Comparison Tables

Percent
Window-Eyes 7
JAWS 11

60%
346.3
524.7

50%
251.6
437.4

40%
196.5
344.5

30%
135.3
284.1

20%
107.8
224





Percent




- - - - -

In order to determine an approximate words-per-minute test for a screen reader, we used this process:

1. The screen reader's speed was set to a chosen percentage.

2. A long document was selected of sufficient length for the "Read All" command to be invoked without running out of text in a two-minute reading session.

3. A timer was set for two minutes.

4. The timer and the "Read All" command were invoked at the same time.

5. The "Read All" command was stopped when the timer expired.

6. The rest of the document was selected and deleted.

7. The Microsoft Word "Word Count" command was invoked.

8. The number of characters without spaces were found.

9. This number was placed into Windows Calculator.

10. The number was divided by 5 to obtain an approximate average length of five characters. (Five characters is the average word length in American English.)

11. The result of this was divided by two to obtain average words per minute.

12. The deleted text was restored and the process repeated for another speed rate.

s

----- Original Message -----
From: <ckrugman@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support mailing list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 2:47 AM
Subject: Re: How Fast do People use JAWS to read?


as I stated previously JAWS used to show the actual rate and I recall thatat rate 95 ]\= 50% and when it actually showed the word count it was at 350 WPM. If you have any earlier versions of JAWS you might go back to them and experiment with the settings under voices in the options menu to find out more about word rates.
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Virgil Cook" <vcook@vt.edu>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support mailing list'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 9:03 AM
Subject: RE: How Fast do People use JAWS to read?


How do you determine the WPM, since the rate is shown in percentages?

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of ckrugman@sbcglobal.net
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 11:09 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
Subject: Re: How Fast do People use JAWS to read?

I use it at about 350wpm and sometimes a bit higher.
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Dicey" <adicey@bellsouth.net>
To: "JAWS Information List" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 6:52 AM
Subject: How Fast do People use JAWS to read?


Dear elf,
Oh my, you mean you can read JAWS at 500 words per minute?

I know the 300 Words Per Minute I am currently using was not as fast as I
could use JAWS and comprehend pretty well, Perhaps I might go 400 Words
per minute and with Practice be able to comprehend pretty well, but 500
words per minute?
Never!

And yes, I was sighted and I do not think I ever read at 400 words a
minute with eyesight.

Just for my information, which I will gratefully appreciate, how fast do
most of you fine folks use JAWS?
At Home?
At Work?

Thanks for any input!

With Best Regards,
Alan
Miami, Florida
Alan Dicey, President
United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA
"Yes, Blind and Visually Impaired People, Can, and Do, Play Chess!"
United States Braille Chess Association Home Page:
http://AmericanBlindChess.org



----- Original Message -----
From: "inthane" <inthaneelf@roadrunner.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support mailing list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 1:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] what is this?


having been fully sighted I can answer this, the sighted world doesn't
know how to handle multiple inputs! simple and to the point...

for the main part everything in the "normal" world is based on the
written word, it doesn't matter for the main part that not everyone
learns well from the written word, that's the way its done.

so much so that I wasn't hearing half of what was going on around me
sound wise when I had my site, and had to relearn how to focus on sound
in order to get past the noise filters I had developed in my mind.
luckily the human body will assist you with that when its deprived of its
main sensory input.

and I was a mechanic, so was used to "using my ears" in assistance to
diagnosing problems with gas and diesel engines

not well done, but its how it's done out there

so they have no motivation, nor the trained in capacity to use the
"additional" input presented by programs like jaws and such, absolutely
none, another bad point is at the rate of reading I had, which was about
500 words a minute, I would not have been able to make much sense out of
what would have been coming out of the speakers if the speech program was
trying to keep up with my visual reading speed

elf
. Moderator, Blind Access Help.
. Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
"own the might and majesty of an alacorn"
www.alacorncomputer.com
. proprietor: Inthane's Grab Bag
for blind computer users and Programmers!
http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brandon Keith (Biggs)" <brandonboy13@comcast.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support mailing list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] what is this?


Yeah, because Jaws doesn't even write by itself...
If Jaws can't complete it, it's because your fingers are unable to move
over the keys to complete it...
And anyone on this list should be able to identify the difference
between "Text to speech" and "Speech to text." JFW is the first one! :)
I'm wondering why can't or don't sighted people use JFW regularly? It's
so much faster using Jaws to read than it is to use your eyes. I'd think
using both your eyes and your ears would make for extraordinary speeds
on the computer...
Also when reading books, I can get through one and a half 400 page book
in a day if I just read on my travel time, so why couldn't products for
the blind get legalized for sighted people and mainstreamed?
Just a random question that I've never been able to comprehend never
being sighted...
Thanks,

Brandon Keith Biggs

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Also add me on facebook!
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--------------------------------------------------
From: "Kerri" <shalom75@shaw.ca>
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 3:10 PM
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support mailing list'"
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: [Bulk] what is this?

I think he's using jaw bridge or that voice recognition programs and
jfw
simultaneously.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Dave Scrimenti
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 8:13 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
Subject: Re: [Bulk] what is this?

Perhaps it's one of those great universal puzzles that we're just not
suppose to ever comprehend.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Soronel Haetir" <soronel.haetir@gmail.com>
To: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>; "The Jaws for Windows
support mailing list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 10:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] what is this?


That's a lot more polite than what I was thinking about that
particular message.

On 5/28/11, Farfar Carlson <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
And we are supposed to understand what you wrote? Are you writing in
a language that is even terrestrial? Get a grip and try again to
write something intelligent.

Dave
Composed on a Dell Latitude 630 in the general vicinity of my Audio
Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area.
----- Original Message -----
From: "rbl.gulftel.com" <rbl@gulftel.com>
To: <Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 12:48
Subject: [Bulk] what is this?


really confusing, jaws does not give me a chance a chance cannot even
comp;lete this because jaws can't understand me

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Re: Experience with accessible webinterfaces on NAS's

Anders Boholdt-Petersen
 

Hi everyone,

See on the following link for a describtion about what a NAS is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network-attached_storage
.

I hope that my question now is better to understand?

Thanks for your answer.

Regards,
Anders
"Farfar on Laptop" wrote:
Then it may be one aspect of "cloud" computing?

Dave Carlson


How to determine the Reading Speed you have your JAWS set to

Alan Dicey <adicey@...>
 

Dear Friends,

This message will tell you how you can compute the Reading Speed you have your JAWS set at.

It also has a small Chart, with the percentages that show up in the JAWS settings and the equivalent reading speeds, but since most computers will not run as fast as others, the best way is to follow the instructions and get a better closer rate of speed.



With Best Regards,
Alan
Miami, Florida
Alan Dicey, President
United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA
"Yes, Blind and Visually Impaired People, Can, and Do, Play Chess!"
United States Braille Chess Association Home Page: http://AmericanBlindChess.org



Known factors which influence speed outcomes:

1. By default, the screen reader pauses for a fraction of a second at sentence punctuation marks, such as commas and periods, in order to give a better reading experience. This would tend to give a slightly slower average speed for each percentage.

2. In calculating the number of characters, punctuation of all kinds, including quotation marks, dashes, and sentence punctuation and other printable characters were included (spaces were excluded). This would tend to give a higher character count, and therefore, a higher average speed. Though this has not been tested, the assumption is that the two variables tend to cancel out one another.

3. Different versions of the Eloquence synthesizer have yielded different results. Both Window-Eyes and JAWS have included a proprietary version of Eloquence within their screen reader in recent releases. These versions have yielded higher rates from the nonproprietary versions.

4. Probably related to the previous point, we found that current versions of these two screen readers produced markedly different reading rates at the same percentages.

The test was performed for Window-Eyes 7 and JAWS 11 with their own proprietary version of Eloquence.

Comparison Tables

Percent
Window-Eyes 7
JAWS 11

60%
346.3
524.7

50%
251.6
437.4

40%
196.5
344.5

30%
135.3
284.1

20%
107.8
224





Percent




- - - - -

In order to determine an approximate words-per-minute test for a screen reader, we used this process:

1. The screen reader's speed was set to a chosen percentage.

2. A long document was selected of sufficient length for the "Read All" command to be invoked without running out of text in a two-minute reading session.

3. A timer was set for two minutes.

4. The timer and the "Read All" command were invoked at the same time.

5. The "Read All" command was stopped when the timer expired.

6. The rest of the document was selected and deleted.

7. The Microsoft Word "Word Count" command was invoked.

8. The number of characters without spaces were found.

9. This number was placed into Windows Calculator.

10. The number was divided by 5 to obtain an approximate average length of five characters. (Five characters is the average word length in American English.)

11. The result of this was divided by two to obtain average words per minute.

12. The deleted text was restored and the process repeated for another speed rate.

s

----- Original Message -----
From: <ckrugman@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support mailing list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 2:47 AM
Subject: Re: How Fast do People use JAWS to read?


as I stated previously JAWS used to show the actual rate and I recall thatat rate 95 ]\= 50% and when it actually showed the word count it was at 350 WPM. If you have any earlier versions of JAWS you might go back to them and experiment with the settings under voices in the options menu to find out more about word rates.
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Virgil Cook" <vcook@vt.edu>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support mailing list'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 9:03 AM
Subject: RE: How Fast do People use JAWS to read?


How do you determine the WPM, since the rate is shown in percentages?

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of ckrugman@sbcglobal.net
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 11:09 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
Subject: Re: How Fast do People use JAWS to read?

I use it at about 350wpm and sometimes a bit higher.
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Dicey" <adicey@bellsouth.net>
To: "JAWS Information List" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 6:52 AM
Subject: How Fast do People use JAWS to read?


Dear elf,
Oh my, you mean you can read JAWS at 500 words per minute?

I know the 300 Words Per Minute I am currently using was not as fast as I
could use JAWS and comprehend pretty well, Perhaps I might go 400 Words
per minute and with Practice be able to comprehend pretty well, but 500
words per minute?
Never!

And yes, I was sighted and I do not think I ever read at 400 words a
minute with eyesight.

Just for my information, which I will gratefully appreciate, how fast do
most of you fine folks use JAWS?
At Home?
At Work?

Thanks for any input!

With Best Regards,
Alan
Miami, Florida
Alan Dicey, President
United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA
"Yes, Blind and Visually Impaired People, Can, and Do, Play Chess!"
United States Braille Chess Association Home Page:
http://AmericanBlindChess.org



----- Original Message -----
From: "inthane" <inthaneelf@roadrunner.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support mailing list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 1:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] what is this?


having been fully sighted I can answer this, the sighted world doesn't
know how to handle multiple inputs! simple and to the point...

for the main part everything in the "normal" world is based on the
written word, it doesn't matter for the main part that not everyone
learns well from the written word, that's the way its done.

so much so that I wasn't hearing half of what was going on around me
sound wise when I had my site, and had to relearn how to focus on sound
in order to get past the noise filters I had developed in my mind.
luckily the human body will assist you with that when its deprived of its
main sensory input.

and I was a mechanic, so was used to "using my ears" in assistance to
diagnosing problems with gas and diesel engines

not well done, but its how it's done out there

so they have no motivation, nor the trained in capacity to use the
"additional" input presented by programs like jaws and such, absolutely
none, another bad point is at the rate of reading I had, which was about
500 words a minute, I would not have been able to make much sense out of
what would have been coming out of the speakers if the speech program was
trying to keep up with my visual reading speed

elf
. Moderator, Blind Access Help.
. Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
"own the might and majesty of an alacorn"
www.alacorncomputer.com
. proprietor: Inthane's Grab Bag
for blind computer users and Programmers!
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brandon Keith (Biggs)" <brandonboy13@comcast.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support mailing list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] what is this?


Yeah, because Jaws doesn't even write by itself...
If Jaws can't complete it, it's because your fingers are unable to move
over the keys to complete it...
And anyone on this list should be able to identify the difference
between "Text to speech" and "Speech to text." JFW is the first one! :)
I'm wondering why can't or don't sighted people use JFW regularly? It's
so much faster using Jaws to read than it is to use your eyes. I'd think
using both your eyes and your ears would make for extraordinary speeds
on the computer...
Also when reading books, I can get through one and a half 400 page book
in a day if I just read on my travel time, so why couldn't products for
the blind get legalized for sighted people and mainstreamed?
Just a random question that I've never been able to comprehend never
being sighted...
Thanks,

Brandon Keith Biggs

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From: "Kerri" <shalom75@shaw.ca>
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 3:10 PM
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support mailing list'"
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: [Bulk] what is this?

I think he's using jaw bridge or that voice recognition programs and
jfw
simultaneously.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
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On Behalf Of Dave Scrimenti
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 8:13 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
Subject: Re: [Bulk] what is this?

Perhaps it's one of those great universal puzzles that we're just not
suppose to ever comprehend.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Soronel Haetir" <soronel.haetir@gmail.com>
To: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>; "The Jaws for Windows
support mailing list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 10:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] what is this?


That's a lot more polite than what I was thinking about that
particular message.

On 5/28/11, Farfar Carlson <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
And we are supposed to understand what you wrote? Are you writing in
a language that is even terrestrial? Get a grip and try again to
write something intelligent.

Dave
Composed on a Dell Latitude 630 in the general vicinity of my Audio
Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area.
----- Original Message -----
From: "rbl.gulftel.com" <rbl@gulftel.com>
To: <Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 12:48
Subject: [Bulk] what is this?


really confusing, jaws does not give me a chance a chance cannot even
comp;lete this because jaws can't understand me

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Re: [Bulk] JAWS not reading message in windows live mail

Jimmy Jones
 

Thanks for the advice.

Jimmy

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From: "inthane" <inthaneelf@roadrunner.com>
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 6:50 PM
To: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>; "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: [Bulk] JAWS not reading message in windows live mail

this is a common happening (the announcement of "outlook express") and comes from the code used to create windows mail and... windows live mail, it was a talked about item when folks just started using windows 7 and WLM.

so the problem lies else where, make sure she has all windows maximized, and that the preview pain is turned off (there are notes on doing all of this in the information package for windows 7 and the one for WLM on my grabbag site, see address/link under my name)

take care and good luck,
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] JAWS not reading message in windows live mail


Jimmy,

Sounds like having Outlook Express on that machine is confusing things. It
needs to be removed, since it does not run on Windows 7 (or so I've been
told).

Dave Carlson
Written with grammatical care, punctuation, and capitalization because I
care about readers of my mail. From my Dell Latitude 630 in the general
vicinity of my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jimmy Jones" <jawsstudent@verizon.net>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 11:22
Subject: [Bulk] JAWS not reading message in windows live mail


Good afternoon,



I am trying to help someone with WLM. She has been reading her mail with
JAWS 12 but today although WLM shows the message list it doesn't read the
message when it is opened.



I noticed that when she opens WLM JAWS says something about outlook Express.
She tells me she had programs from her old computer transferred to her new
window seven, but that was some time ago.



Thanks for any help you can provide.



Jimmy



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Re: How Fast do People use JAWS to read?

Mike & Barbara In Arcadia <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi Chuck & Virgil,

Below is an article that talks about screen reader reading speeds.
***

Listening Speeds Approximation with Window-Eyes and JAWS Screen Reader
Practice Text Documents


Listening Speeds Approximation with Window-Eyes and JAWS

Methodology

In order to determine an approximate words-per-minute test for a screen
reader, we used this process:

1. The screen reader's speed was set to a chosen percentage.

2. A long document was selected of sufficient length for the "Read All"

command to be invoked without running out of text in a two-minute reading
session.

3. A timer was set for two minutes.

4. The timer and the "Read All" command were invoked at the same time.

5. The "Read All" command was stopped when the timer expired.

6. The rest of the document was selected and deleted.

7. The Microsoft Word "Word Count" command was invoked.

8. The number of characters without spaces were found.

9. This number was placed into Windows Calculator.

10. The number was divided by 5 to obtain an approximate average length of
five characters. (Five characters is the average word length in American
English.)

11. The result of this was divided by two to obtain average words per
minute.

12. The deleted text was restored and the process repeated for another
speed
rate.

Known factors which influence speed outcomes:

1. By default, the screen reader pauses for a fraction of a second at
sentence punctuation marks, such as commas and periods, in order to give a
better reading experience. This would tend to give a slightly slower average
speed for each percentage.

2. In calculating the number of characters, punctuation of all kinds,
including quotation marks, dashes, and sentence punctuation and other
printable characters were included (spaces were excluded). This would tend
to give a higher character count, and therefore, a higher average speed.
Though this has not been tested, the assumption is that the two variables
tend to cancel out one another.

3. Different versions of the Eloquence synthesizer have yielded different
results. Both Window-Eyes and JAWS have included a proprietary version of
Eloquence within their screen reader in recent releases. These versions have
yielded higher rates from the nonproprietary versions.

4. Probably related to the previous point, we found that current versions
of these two screen readers produced markedly different reading rates at the
same percentages.

The test was performed for Window-Eyes 7 and JAWS 11 with their own
proprietary version of Eloquence.

Comparison Tables

Percent

Window-Eyes 7

JAWS 11

60%

346.3

524.7

50%

251.6

437.4

40%

196.5

344.5

30%

135.3

284.1

20%

107.8

224


Percent

NVDA

95%

400

58%

300

27%

200

NVDA: Non-Visual Desktop Access

Hope this helps. Take care.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: ckrugman@sbcglobal.net
To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 11:47 PM
Subject: Re: How Fast do People use JAWS to read?


as I stated previously JAWS used to show the actual rate and I recall
thatat
rate 95 ]\= 50% and when it actually showed the word count it was at 350
WPM. If you have any earlier versions of JAWS you might go back to them
and
experiment with the settings under voices in the options menu to find out
more about word rates.
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Virgil Cook" <vcook@vt.edu>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support mailing list'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 9:03 AM
Subject: RE: How Fast do People use JAWS to read?


> How do you determine the WPM, since the rate is shown in percentages?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
> On Behalf Of ckrugman@sbcglobal.net
> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 11:09 PM
> To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
> Subject: Re: How Fast do People use JAWS to read?
>
> I use it at about 350wpm and sometimes a bit higher.
> Chuck
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alan Dicey" <adicey@bellsouth.net>
> To: "JAWS Information List" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 6:52 AM
> Subject: How Fast do People use JAWS to read?
>
>
>> Dear elf,
>> Oh my, you mean you can read JAWS at 500 words per minute?
>>
>> I know the 300 Words Per Minute I am currently using was not as fast as
I
>> could use JAWS and comprehend pretty well, Perhaps I might go 400 Words
>> per minute and with Practice be able to comprehend pretty well, but 500
>> words per minute?
>> Never!
>>
>> And yes, I was sighted and I do not think I ever read at 400 words a
>> minute with eyesight.
>>
>> Just for my information, which I will gratefully appreciate, how fast
do
>> most of you fine folks use JAWS?
>> At Home?
>> At Work?
>>
>> Thanks for any input!
>>
>> With Best Regards,
>> Alan
>> Miami, Florida
>> Alan Dicey, President
>> United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA
>> "Yes, Blind and Visually Impaired People, Can, and Do, Play Chess!"
>> United States Braille Chess Association Home Page:
>> http://AmericanBlindChess.org
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "inthane" <inthaneelf@roadrunner.com>
>> To: "The Jaws for Windows support mailing list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 1:38 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Bulk] what is this?
>>
>>
>>> having been fully sighted I can answer this, the sighted world doesn't
>>> know how to handle multiple inputs! simple and to the point...
>>>
>>> for the main part everything in the "normal" world is based on the
>>> written word, it doesn't matter for the main part that not everyone
>>> learns well from the written word, that's the way its done.
>>>
>>> so much so that I wasn't hearing half of what was going on around me
>>> sound wise when I had my site, and had to relearn how to focus on
sound
>>> in order to get past the noise filters I had developed in my mind.
>>> luckily the human body will assist you with that when its deprived of
>>> its
>
>>> main sensory input.
>>>
>>> and I was a mechanic, so was used to "using my ears" in assistance to
>>> diagnosing problems with gas and diesel engines
>>>
>>> not well done, but its how it's done out there
>>>
>>> so they have no motivation, nor the trained in capacity to use the
>>> "additional" input presented by programs like jaws and such,
absolutely
>>> none, another bad point is at the rate of reading I had, which was
about
>>> 500 words a minute, I would not have been able to make much sense out
of
>>> what would have been coming out of the speakers if the speech program
>>> was
>
>>> trying to keep up with my visual reading speed
>>>
>>> elf
>>> . Moderator, Blind Access Help.
>>> . Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
>>> "own the might and majesty of an alacorn"
>>> www.alacorncomputer.com
>>> . proprietor: Inthane's Grab Bag
>>> for blind computer users and Programmers!
>>> http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Brandon Keith (Biggs)" <brandonboy13@comcast.net>
>>> To: "The Jaws for Windows support mailing list"
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 9:46 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Bulk] what is this?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Yeah, because Jaws doesn't even write by itself...
>>>> If Jaws can't complete it, it's because your fingers are unable to
move
>>>> over the keys to complete it...
>>>> And anyone on this list should be able to identify the difference
>>>> between "Text to speech" and "Speech to text." JFW is the first one!
:)
>>>> I'm wondering why can't or don't sighted people use JFW regularly?
It's
>>>> so much faster using Jaws to read than it is to use your eyes. I'd
>>>> think
>
>>>> using both your eyes and your ears would make for extraordinary
speeds
>>>> on the computer...
>>>> Also when reading books, I can get through one and a half 400 page
book
>>>> in a day if I just read on my travel time, so why couldn't products
for
>>>> the blind get legalized for sighted people and mainstreamed?
>>>> Just a random question that I've never been able to comprehend never
>>>> being sighted...
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>>>>
>>>> Check out
>>>> MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/brandonkeithbiggs
>>>> Also add me on facebook!
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>>>> http://www.sfcasting.com/brandonkeith
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "Kerri" <shalom75@shaw.ca>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 3:10 PM
>>>> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support mailing list'"
>>>> <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
>>>> Subject: RE: [Bulk] what is this?
>>>>
>>>>> I think he's using jaw bridge or that voice recognition programs and
>>>>> jfw
>>>>> simultaneously.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
>>>>> [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
>>>>> On Behalf Of Dave Scrimenti
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 8:13 PM
>>>>> To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Bulk] what is this?
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps it's one of those great universal puzzles that we're just
not
>>>>> suppose to ever comprehend.
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Soronel Haetir" <soronel.haetir@gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>; "The Jaws for
Windows
>>>>> support mailing list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 10:58 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Bulk] what is this?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> That's a lot more polite than what I was thinking about that
>>>>>> particular message.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/28/11, Farfar Carlson <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> And we are supposed to understand what you wrote? Are you writing
in
>>>>>>> a language that is even terrestrial? Get a grip and try again to
>>>>>>> write something intelligent.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>> Composed on a Dell Latitude 630 in the general vicinity of my
Audio
>>>>>>> Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area.
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "rbl.gulftel.com" <rbl@gulftel.com>
>>>>>>> To: <Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 12:48
>>>>>>> Subject: [Bulk] what is this?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> really confusing, jaws does not give me a chance a chance cannot
>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>> comp;lete this because jaws can't understand me
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
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Re: clarification please. a friend in uk said the international list wasonce in australia, well I know we have had a couple of moves but I have been assuming weare nicely settled in Usa, if I am wrong do please let me know

inthane <inthaneelf@...>
 

the site seems to be in Canada, so the "list" can be said to be in Canada

of course my site is off a canadian server as well so my sites could be said to be in canada!

elf
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----- Original Message -----
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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 5:03 PM
Subject: clarification please. a friend in uk said the international list wasonce in australia,well I know we have had a couple of moves but I have been assuming weare nicely settled in Usa, if I am wrong do please let me know





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Re: tried to install WebvisumRe: Fw: Webvisum-discuss Digest, Vol 4, Issue 4

inthane <inthaneelf@...>
 

there is a link for FF4.0 download on my grab bag site (address/link under my name) that I just put up yesterday.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Douglas Richard Dexheimer" <drichardd@earthlink.net>
To: "Soronel Haetir" <soronel.haetir@gmail.com>
Cc: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: tried to install WebvisumRe: Fw: Webvisum-discuss Digest, Vol 4,Issue 4


I tried downloading FF5.0 from my Downloads folder and got the notification that Webvisum was disabled; also I found the Tools\Options\Manage Addons less accessible and had trouble finding the addon I wanted to modify. Then I downloaded FF3.6.19 from a message sent by another lister, went to Webvisum and tried downloading the plugin, but still the plugin wasn't activated.
If you have a link to Firefox 4 please send it, but last spring I got this message regarding some of its drawbacks:
Gone are the layers of tool bars, status bars, the bookmark bar. Instead there is a row of tabs-much like Chrome. Interestingly, Mozilla is sticking to the more traditional address box on the left and search box on the right like IE and Safari. Chrome has combined the search box and address box into one.
Have these issues been resolved yet? Thanks again for your feedback.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
773-409-6163
cell 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net
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From: "Soronel Haetir" <soronel.haetir@gmail.com>
To: "Douglas Richard Dexheimer" <drichardd@earthlink.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: tried to install WebvisumRe: Fw: Webvisum-discuss Digest, Vol 4, Issue 4


If you have FF3 installed why not just do the normal install? That
should still work fine as far as I know. I was only having problems
because I did upgrade to FF5 when it was offered, not realizing that
the upgrade would kill webvisum. It was working fine even with FF4.

On 7/16/11, Douglas Richard Dexheimer <drichardd@earthlink.net> wrote:
I hit Install, restarted Firefox and checked one of the notification/alert
options but find no sign of the plugin working--no clicking sound or login
alert upon opening Firefox. Perhaps I should try installing Firefox 5, but
I might risk losing 3. Thanks anyway.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
773-409-6163
cell 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Soronel Haetir" <soronel.haetir@gmail.com>
To: "Douglas Richard Dexheimer" <drichardd@earthlink.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: tried to install WebvisumRe: Fw: Webvisum-discuss Digest, Vol
4, Issue 4


You don't need a new invitation. I have no idea whether it will work
with FF3.6. And yes, I got the same warning and just sucked it up and
installed anyway.

On 7/16/11, Douglas Richard Dexheimer <drichardd@earthlink.net> wrote:
I tried to install from the link you sent but got the following warning:
Software Installation
Install add-ons only from authors whom you trust.
Malicious software can damage your computer or violate your privacy.
You have asked to install the following item:
webvisum-0.8-fx6.xpi (Author not verified)
http://fux.zuhage.de/ext/exchange/webvisum-0.8-fx6.xpi
Install Now Cancel
Also after I opened the link I heard Jaws say "install 4
unavailable"--not
sure it was 4 or for? I'm still using FF3.6; will this version of the
plugin only work on 5.0 or later? Do I need a new invitation or new
account
with Webvisum? Thanks.
Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
773-409-6163
cell 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Soronel Haetir" <soronel.haetir@gmail.com>
To: "Douglas Richard Dexheimer" <drichardd@earthlink.net>; "The Jaws for
Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Webvisum-discuss Digest, Vol 4, Issue 4


Okay, I downloaded and installed the XPI from that page (not the
easiest thing to find due to the page being in German and eloquence
continually switching to German pronunciation). It actually works
better than indicated for me (win7 pro 64bit, jaws 12), I even get the
speech notices when a challenge has been submitted and solved (the
only operation I use webvisum for). Thanks

The direct URL is:
http://fux.zuhage.de/ext/exchange/webvisum-0.8-fx6.xpi

On 7/16/11, Soronel Haetir <soronel.haetir@gmail.com> wrote:
On 7/8/11, Douglas Richard Dexheimer <drichardd@earthlink.net> wrote:
Got the following from a Webvisum list member; not sure it will work
for
those (including me) who don't use Linux, or if it's worth the trouble
if
there's no captcha solution notification. Thanks for your feedback.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
773-409-6163
cell 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2011 16:34:15 +0200
From: Jakob Herrmann <jhlists@infosprinter.com>
To: webvisum-discuss@webvisum.com
Subject: Re: [Webvisum-discuss] Webvisum and Firefox 5
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Hi,

look here:
http://www.camp-firefox.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=91070
and try to install Webvisum from the xpi linked there.
* Works without trouble with FF5 (at least under Linux) and is
supposed
to work with 6 either.
* You obviously won't get any notifications from Webvisum (e.g. when
a
captcha is solved), at least I cannot see any, might be a
screenreader
issue.
* Just mail me if the link is down; in this case I would provide an
alternative.

Cu Jakob
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