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moderated Re: Setting Place Marker in Word not Workingq

David Kingsbury
 

Hi all,

 

Temporary placemarkers are used in Word for extended text selection. Press Control Windows K at the start of a selection and press Insert Spacebar together and then M at the end of the selection to highlight the extended text. It is very useful for highlighting large chunks of text and serves a different function than bookmarks, and as others said, you can only do a single temporary placemarker in Word while you can make them permanent on the web.

 

I am having the same problem. For some reason, doing the extended text selection works for me in some documents and not others. In those where it does not work, Alt tabbing away from and back to it does not help. I notice this with both JAWS 2020 and the 2021 beta.

 

David


moderated Re: Screen Shade Will Not Turn Off

Dan Longmore
 

Try running a repair, sounds like something got corrupted, because you were doing everything else right.


On Oct 30, 2020, at 9:40 AM, Callum Stoneman via groups.io <callum.stoneman@...> wrote:



Hi all,

 

I regularly use the screen shade while working to save battery on my laptop. However, occasionally I need to have a sighted person look at my screen either face to face or via a screen share on Teams (yes, the screen shade causes the screen to appear blank when sharing it as well).

 

Sometimes, when I go to turn my screen shade off, it just will not turn off at all and the screen remains black. It doesn’t matter whether I turn it off via the keyboard shortcut, the three finger triple-tap, the quick settings menu, nothing works. Even quitting JAWS entirely stops every other function of JAWS, apart from the screen shade. JAWS continues to announce, “Screen Shade off” or “Screen Shade on”, there are no errors. The only way I can get my screen back is to reboot the computer.

 

Anyone else experienced this and know of a way to avoid it happening?

 

I’ve checked my brightness and even turning this to 100% did not change anything, so I know it isn’t that my brightness is too low for anyone to see or anything like that.

 

 

I’m using Windows 10, the latest version of JAWS Professional 2020 and a Surface Pro 3 laptop I believe.

Thanks,

Callum


moderated Voice assist on a laptop

Don Mauck
 

Should my laptop microphone work with voice assist? Currently I get no response when I say “sharky,” even with the setting set to use that command. When I use the command as a single command, I‘m told “nothing was herd”.

 

 

Regards:

 

Don Mauck | Senior Accessibility Evangelist | Accessibility Program Office |  (APO)

 

303.334.4184

Don.mauck@...

 


moderated Screen Shade Will Not Turn Off

Callum Stoneman
 

Hi all,

 

I regularly use the screen shade while working to save battery on my laptop. However, occasionally I need to have a sighted person look at my screen either face to face or via a screen share on Teams (yes, the screen shade causes the screen to appear blank when sharing it as well).

 

Sometimes, when I go to turn my screen shade off, it just will not turn off at all and the screen remains black. It doesn’t matter whether I turn it off via the keyboard shortcut, the three finger triple-tap, the quick settings menu, nothing works. Even quitting JAWS entirely stops every other function of JAWS, apart from the screen shade. JAWS continues to announce, “Screen Shade off” or “Screen Shade on”, there are no errors. The only way I can get my screen back is to reboot the computer.

 

Anyone else experienced this and know of a way to avoid it happening?

 

I’ve checked my brightness and even turning this to 100% did not change anything, so I know it isn’t that my brightness is too low for anyone to see or anything like that.

 

 

I’m using Windows 10, the latest version of JAWS Professional 2020 and a Surface Pro 3 laptop I believe.

Thanks,

Callum


moderated Outlook Rules

Larry McMillan
 

I have Outlook 2016, Windows 10 and Jaws 2020 and I know how to create and manage rules.  The problem is that I created a Jaws Group folder, but the only time the e-mails move over is when I create the rule at that moment.  Any new group e-mails that come in remain in my bulk mail folder.  I have called the Microsoft disability desk and they have no solution.  Does anyone have any suggestions?

Thanks

Larry   


moderated Re: How to interact with the tree view of OneDrive Choose Folders dialog box

David Bailes
 

Hi Delaunay,
Unfortunately, screen readers are not reading the names of the items which you navigate the tree using the standard keystrokes.
You can work around this problem using Jaws' touch cursor, which is the equivalent of NVDA's object navigation. You can use the touch cursor to move the focus to the desired item in the tree, return to the PC cursor, and then use the normal keystrokes to open/close the item or check or uncheck it.
To switch to the touch cursor, press shift + numpad plus, or SHIFT+CAPS LOCK+SEMICOLON if using the laptop keyboard layout. You can then navigate the tree using right/left arrow. Move to the item you want to have focus, and press Enter or Spacebar so that the item becomes the focus. Press numpad plus twice to return to using the PC cursor. You can then open/close the item or change whether it is checked. If you want to move the focus to another item, and interact with it, just go round this loop again.

David.


On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 11:13 AM, Delaunay Christophe wrote:

Hi all,

 

Some time ago, when I right-clicked on the OneDrive For Business icon in the systray of my windows 10 computer, I could open the Settings dialog box, then hit the “Choose folders” button. In the Choose folders dialog box, I could select/deselect the folders I wanted to synchronize on my local disk.

 

The folders were presented to me as a tree view. However, I don’t know how long ago this tree view is not rendered anymore by Jaws 2020.

 

I tried to work around this problem with an alternate screen reader. This other screen reader also renders the tree view as apparently empty. With this alternate screen reader, another navigation mode they call “object navigation” I can see the top folders of my OneDrive For Business space but it is quite uneasy to select/deselect them. In addition, I cannot figure out how to expand one element of the tree view, in other words, a folder in which I’d like to sync subfolders only, even though the screen reader says it is “collapsed”.

 

Does anyone know of another accessible way to synchronize some parts only of a OneDrive For Business space please?

 

Many thanks in advance. Have a nice day. Chris D


moderated Re: Guide to the taskbar on Windows 10, May 2020 update

Ann Byrne
 

At 03:59 AM 10/30/2020, you wrote:
How can I get a copy of that guide?

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Nelson
Sent: Oct 29, 2020 6:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Guide to the taskbar on Windows 10, May 2020 update

Thank you very much, David! This is a very comprehensive and well-written guide!


moderated Re: Guide to the taskbar on Windows 10, May 2020 update

David Bailes
 

Hi David,
if you want to download the guide, when you are on a link to the guide, open its context menu, and choose either save link as or save target as, depending on which web browser you are using.

David.


On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 08:59 AM, David Ingram wrote:
How can I get a copy of that guide?

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Nelson <twnelson07@...>
Sent: Oct 29, 2020 6:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Guide to the taskbar on Windows 10, May 2020 update

Thank you very much, David! This is a very comprehensive and well-written guide! </twnelson07@...>


moderated How to interact with the tree view of OneDrive Choose Folders dialog box

Delaunay Christophe
 

Hi all,

 

Some time ago, when I right-clicked on the OneDrive For Business icon in the systray of my windows 10 computer, I could open the Settings dialog box, then hit the “Choose folders” button. In the Choose folders dialog box, I could select/deselect the folders I wanted to synchronize on my local disk.

 

The folders were presented to me as a tree view. However, I don’t know how long ago this tree view is not rendered anymore by Jaws 2020.

 

I tried to work around this problem with an alternate screen reader. This other screen reader also renders the tree view as apparently empty. With this alternate screen reader, another navigation mode they call “object navigation” I can see the top folders of my OneDrive For Business space but it is quite uneasy to select/deselect them. In addition, I cannot figure out how to expand one element of the tree view, in other words, a folder in which I’d like to sync subfolders only, even though the screen reader says it is “collapsed”.

 

Does anyone know of another accessible way to synchronize some parts only of a OneDrive For Business space please?

 

Many thanks in advance. Have a nice day. Chris D


moderated Re: Guide to the taskbar on Windows 10, May 2020 update

David Ingram
 

How can I get a copy of that guide?

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Nelson
Sent: Oct 29, 2020 6:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Guide to the taskbar on Windows 10, May 2020 update

Thank you very much, David! This is a very comprehensive and well-written guide!


moderated Re: Guide to the taskbar on Windows 10, May 2020 update

Tom Nelson
 

Thank you very much, David! This is a very comprehensive and well-written guide!


moderated Re: Setting Place Marker in Word not Workingq

Adrian Spratt
 

Thank you, Ann. I'll work with this.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2020 12:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Setting Place Marker in Word not Workingq

I didn't know you could do that.

You can set actual bookmarks, though. Alt-n, then k is the Word command. Name the bookmark. When you want to move to it, use ctrl-g, go to, which places the cursor on the page number item of a list. move to the bookmark item, which will display (guess what!) the bookmarks by name, and whack enter on the one you want. It is Word, not JAWS, and beautifully reliable.
At 10:53 PM 10/29/2020, you wrote:
Ann, I use a placemarker all the time in Word.
The limitation I've found is that I can't set it at the end of a
selection and work backwards, which I can on webpages. Also, I use only
temporary placemarkers in Word. It sounds like permanent ones won't
work, but it's never even occurred to me to use them in Word. I have
permanent ones all over the Internet!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2020 9:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Setting Place Marker in Word not Workingq

You need to use bookmarks in Word. Placemarkers only work on the internet.
At 06:11 PM 10/29/2020, you wrote:

Hello,



I am conducting a research paper thus reading extended literature.
When I hit
control+windows+k to mark a spot within the
document I get “setting place marker in beginning of documement is
not validâ€&#65533;. But I am on page 72 therrefore I am nowhere
near the beginning of the document. I even placed the cursor at the
beginning of the sentence to mark.



JFW 2020, Win. 10, MS Word from Office 365.



Suggestions?



Thank you,



Vaughn



Sent from
<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>Mail for Windows 10








moderated Re: Setting Place Marker in Word not Workingq

Ann Byrne
 

I didn't know you could do that.

You can set actual bookmarks, though. Alt-n, then k is the Word command. Name the bookmark. When you want to move to it, use ctrl-g, go to, which places the cursor on the page number item of a list. move to the bookmark item, which will display (guess what!) the bookmarks by name, and whack enter on the one you want. It is Word, not JAWS, and beautifully reliable.

At 10:53 PM 10/29/2020, you wrote:
Ann, I use a placemarker all the time in Word. The limitation I've found is that I can't set it at the end of a selection and work backwards, which I can on webpages. Also, I use only temporary placemarkers in Word. It sounds like permanent ones won't work, but it's never even occurred to me to use them in Word. I have permanent ones all over the Internet!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2020 9:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Setting Place Marker in Word not Workingq

You need to use bookmarks in Word. Placemarkers only work on the internet.
At 06:11 PM 10/29/2020, you wrote:

Hello,



I am conducting a research paper thus reading extended literature. When
I hit
control+windows+k to mark a spot within the
document I get “setting place marker in beginning of documement is not
validâ€&#65533;. But I am on page 72 therrefore I am nowhere near the
beginning of the document. I even placed the cursor at the beginning of
the sentence to mark.



JFW 2020, Win. 10, MS Word from Office 365.



Suggestions?



Thank you,



Vaughn



Sent from
<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>Mail for Windows 10








moderated Re: Setting Place Marker in Word not Workingq

Adrian Spratt
 

Ann, I use a placemarker all the time in Word. The limitation I've found is that I can't set it at the end of a selection and work backwards, which I can on webpages. Also, I use only temporary placemarkers in Word. It sounds like permanent ones won't work, but it's never even occurred to me to use them in Word. I have permanent ones all over the Internet!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2020 9:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Setting Place Marker in Word not Workingq

You need to use bookmarks in Word. Placemarkers only work on the internet.
At 06:11 PM 10/29/2020, you wrote:

Hello,



I am conducting a research paper thus reading extended literature. When
I hit
control+windows+k to mark a spot within the
document I get “setting place marker in beginning of document is not
validâ€&#65533;. But I am on page 72 therefore I am nowhere near the
beginning of the document. I even placed the cursor at the beginning of
the sentence to mark.



JFW 2020, Win. 10, MS Word from Office 365.



Suggestions?



Thank you,



Vaughn



Sent from <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>Mail for Windows 10



moderated Re: Setting Place Marker in Word not Workingq

mike mcglashon
 

You do get one temporary placemarker though;
In word;


Please advise as you like.

Mike M.

Mike mcglashon
Email: Michael.mcglashon@comcast.net
Ph: 618 783 9331

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2020 9:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Setting Place Marker in Word not Workingq

You need to use bookmarks in Word. Placemarkers only work on the internet.
At 06:11 PM 10/29/2020, you wrote:

Hello,



I am conducting a research paper thus reading extended literature. When
I hit
control+windows+k to mark a spot within the
document I get “setting place marker in beginning of document is not
validâ€&#65533;. But I am on page 72 therefore I am nowhere near the
beginning of the document. I even placed the cursor at the beginning of
the sentence to mark.



JFW 2020, Win. 10, MS Word from Office 365.



Suggestions?



Thank you,



Vaughn



Sent from <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>Mail for Windows 10



moderated Re: when hopefully JAWS2021 official release will be available

Joyce Feinberg
 

In an interview Wednesday evening, Eric Damery said that jaws 2021 along with fusion and Zoom text 2021 will be released around mid November. There will be a public beta in the next couple of days but if you changes will occur from feedback of that public beta at the release. There will be additional updates in mid December and another one at the end of January. Updates will continue through 2021 around every six weeks. With each of these updates, there may be additional features at it Along with bug fixes.


On Oct 29, 2020, at 10:38 AM, David Diamond <Daviddiamond2019@...> wrote:



In Canada we cannot get the monthly SMA as a subscription.  We have to pay the $165 for the home version up front.  Yes, it is $165, I just renewed my SMA. Still cheap.  As one of my dog clients said, “It really depends on one’s priorities.” The comment had nothing to do with the SMA, it was pertaining to having the dogs ready when I came to pick them up, leash, knowing where the dog is etc.  You’d be surprised, some don’t know where the leash is and if they forget I’m coming, they could spend time just looking for the leash.      

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: October 28, 2020 11:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: when hopefully JAWS2021 official release will be available

 

In my opinion it's always sworthwhile to keep up-to-date with Jaws unless of course you are using NVDA. The fact is that eventually you have to get caught up because Windows 10 changes so quickly and even with Office features change and are added all the time especially if you use Office 365 and there is simply no good reason to not always run the latest version.

Jaws is not quite as it used to be where a new version meant possibly major new features, nowadays sometimes these features are added half way through the year and in any case, if you don't upgrade on a regular bases or, if you live in the US, use Jaws via the subscription based model, you eventually have to pay hundreds of Dollars to get caught up, you might as well pay the $7 or $8 a month or whatever the subscription costs or if you use th eolder 2-year license model by the new SMA right after you use your last one. For the Home version I believe it's $120 every 2 years which is $5 a months, quite a few people spend this on coffee every day, if you divide it by the number of days it's like 16.66 Cents a day and having the use of Jaws is certainly worth a couple of quarters every 3 days to me.

.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 3:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: when hopefully JAWS2021 official release will be available

 

Here is the link to the page that explains the changes/improvements in Jaws 2021 beta:

http://support.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS/JAWSPublicBeta

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

On Oct 27, 2020, at 3:50 PM, Richard Turner <richardturner42@...> wrote:

 To add to what Dan said, the beta is free to try out and install and it works fine to have it installed plus your regular version, then you can experience the changes and see if it is worth it.

The reality is that let's say you decide it isn't worth it.

Next year, when you might decide that 2022 is worth it, you will end up paying for both as I understand it.

I'd be happy to be wrong.

This is where buying the SMA can save money in the long run.

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

On Oct 27, 2020, at 3:37 PM, Dan Longmore <danlongmore44@...> wrote:



Hi,

Real improvements can be subjective.

Depends on how you use the program and with what different types of software.

For me I stay updated for the following reasons:

  OS systems and programs are changing rapidly and with hnumerous updates.  Falling behind with JAWS can risk problems with the software interacting with the latest updates of apps and even the OS itself.

Each version of JAWS seems to get a bit snappier and responsive although , to be sure, problems remain and always will with any piece of software.

New features are constantly added and modified.  Each new version offers more accessibility with one or more programs.

   I am not advocating that one must keep JAWS always with the latest version , cost and other issues prevent this, but I have found it helpful to do so.

As I said updates can be subjective because we all use the program in different ways and with diverse pieces of software.  JAWS 2021 does a better job with Outlook than past versions however if I don’t use Outlook I may say not much difference. 

 

Does this make all clear as mud.  😊

 

Dan

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 6:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: when hopefully JAWS2021 official release will be available

 

Are there any real improvements in Jaws 2021 that will be worth the cost of updating?

On 10/27/2020 5:15 PM, Dan Longmore wrote:

Public beta 2 has been out now for about 3 weeks.  Either beta 3 or the final version should be within days.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 3:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: when hopefully JAWS2021 official release will be available

 

Hi,

I’m running one of the jaws 2021 Vedas, and I’m not sure which one. I keep being told that my software is up-to-date. Have there been any new releases?

Thanks,

Jessica

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Larry Gassman <larrygassman@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 3:13:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: when hopefully JAWS2021 official release will be available

 

That is what I am hearing as well.

I would guess in very early November.

Beta three is in private beta now and will be released publicly very soon.

Find out more on Wednesday evening on Main Menu Live as we have Eric Damery with us in hour 1 to talk about JAWS and its release.

Brian Hartgen will be with us in Hour 2 to talk about the many things available to us from Leasey.

Larry Gassman

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hank William Merchant
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 12:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: when hopefully JAWS2021 official release will be available

 

 

Hello,

   

I gave them at Fredom Scientific a call yesterday to see if maybe I could find out and a sales person said that sometime in the 1st or 2nd week of next month November, we will be able to download the oficial release copy of Jaws2021. Hopefully this is when we will be able to at the latest!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Kindest regards,

 

jaws18 user Hank

 

 

From: Richard Turner

Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 2:31 PM

Subject: Re: JAWS2021

 

Yes, the exact minute FS announces it.

Sadly, these kinds of questions cannot be answered until the mother company says something.

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

Live long and prosper 🖖

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andrew Summers via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 10:24 AM
To: JAWS <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: JAWS2021

 

Hi All,

Does anyone know when JAWS2021 is going to be released?

 

Andrew


moderated Re: Setting Place Marker in Word not Workingq

Ann Byrne
 

You need to use bookmarks in Word. Placemarkers only work on the internet.

At 06:11 PM 10/29/2020, you wrote:

Hello,



I am conducting a research paper thus reading extended literature. When I hit control+windows+k to mark a spot within the document I get “setting place marker in beginning of document is not validâ€&#65533;. But I am on page 72 therefore I am nowhere near the beginning of the document. I even placed the cursor at the beginning of the sentence to mark.



JFW 2020, Win. 10, MS Word from Office 365.



Suggestions?



Thank you,



Vaughn



Sent from <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>Mail for Windows 10



moderated Re: Setting Place Marker in Word not Workingq

Adrian Spratt
 

I’ve encountered this phenomenon in the same repeated, very specific situation. I open a protected file and unprotect it. then I start reading and decide to set a placemarker at a certain point. I get that verbalization you quote. The solution for me is to alt-tab to another window, typically Outlook, and alt-tab back into the document. Then all is well.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Vaughn Brown
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2020 7:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Setting Place Marker in Word not Workingq

 

Hello,

 

I am conducting a research paper thus reading extended literature. When I hit control+windows+k to mark a spot within the document I get “setting place marker in beginning of document is not valid”. But I am on page 72 therefore I am nowhere near the beginning of the document. I even placed the cursor at the beginning of the sentence to mark.

 

JFW 2020, Win. 10, MS Word from Office 365.

 

Suggestions?

 

Thank you,

 

Vaughn

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


moderated Re: Setting Place Marker in Word not Workingq

Chris Hill
 

Hmmm, just this file or everywhere.  I have a file with a couple hundred pages in it, and I just tried the experiment.  I'm also running word from office 365 and the place mark and return both worked fine.


CH



On 10/29/2020 18:11, Vaughn Brown wrote:

Hello,

 

I am conducting a research paper thus reading extended literature. When I hit control+windows+k to mark a spot within the document I get “setting place marker in beginning of document is not valid”. But I am on page 72 therefore I am nowhere near the beginning of the document. I even placed the cursor at the beginning of the sentence to mark.

 

JFW 2020, Win. 10, MS Word from Office 365.

 

Suggestions?

 

Thank you,

 

Vaughn

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


moderated Setting Place Marker in Word not Workingq

Vaughn Brown
 

Hello,

 

I am conducting a research paper thus reading extended literature. When I hit control+windows+k to mark a spot within the document I get “setting place marker in beginning of document is not valid”. But I am on page 72 therefore I am nowhere near the beginning of the document. I even placed the cursor at the beginning of the sentence to mark.

 

JFW 2020, Win. 10, MS Word from Office 365.

 

Suggestions?

 

Thank you,

 

Vaughn

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

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