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moderated Re: Protected View issue

Brian Vogel
 

On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 09:58 PM, Dean Webb wrote:
When I open an Attachment in Protected View I get no response from any key stroke/s I make.  Alt-F etc does not respond at all.
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Which is exactly what protected mode is supposed to do.  You have to unprotect the document before you can touch it.

If you're someone who only opens attachments from known sources they trust, you can consider following these instructions (MS-Word format) for, Adjusting Protected View Settings in MS-Office Programs.
 
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moderated Protected View issue

Dean Webb
 

Hi List

 

When I open an Attachment in Protected View I get no response from any key stroke/s I make.  Alt-F etc does not respond at all.

 

Regards

 

Dean

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moderated Re: Outlook Address book

Brian Vogel
 

On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 07:55 PM, Sherri wrote:
I find Outlook 2016 very confusing. 
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But the core functions of Outlook, including how contacts/address book/auto-complete work has not changed in a very long time.

I can understand anyone having confusion about Outlook in general, and particularly about parts they may not use routinely.  But most of the "core functions" of Outlook really haven't changed much, if at all, in a very long time.

But the purpose of this group is asking questions about any Office suite program and issues you're having with accessing what you need or want to.  So definitely feel free to ask 'em.
 
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The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
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moderated are there any mailchimp users on this list, would like advice for using with JAWS, free email portion

Sharon Ballantyne
 

Hi all,

 

I am wondering if anyone on this list is using mailchimp successfully with JAWS.

 

If you have any strategies that would be great.

 

I am interest in figuring out how to successfully navigate toad subscribers from my current email distribution list in Outlook giving people options to subscribe and unsubscribe.

 

I attended a webinar today but the screen was not being explained sufficiently for me to figure it out.

 

I would also appreciate any formatting suggestions as I will have a similar format for a daily email communication that will include text, a YouTube link and an image.

 

Thank-you.

 

Respectfully yours,

Sharon Ballantyne

Sharon.ballantyne@...

moderated Suggestions of how to use Google slides using JAWS 2020 and Windows 10 needed please

Sharon Ballantyne
 

Hi All,

 

I was contacted by a professor about a new course I am beginning using Zoom. He wants me to be able to access google slides and be able to edit within the slides.

 

I do have a gmail account.

 

I have found some information on google documents but not google slides.

 

If anyone has any suggestions of resources to help me learn this, that would be great as I have never used the google suite and have my gmail set up to use in outlook.

I am a person who is totally blind, using JAWS 2020 and Windows 10.

 

I plan to have Zoom open on one device and resources such as google slides and the workbook and texts on a separate laptop with earbud for that computer tucked in my headset and microphone that is connected to the laptop I am using for Zoom.

Thank-you for any advice.

Respectfully yours,

Sharon Ballantyne

Sharon.ballantyne@...

 
moderated database

Marvin Hunkin
 

Hi. I have used Microsoft access with jaws and 2020 works fine with that. Also have used Microsoft sql server management studio. And does work with jaws. Maybe you could tell me what you want to do and what to create.

And with sql server management studio f 6 gets you to the properties of each control.

Hope that helps.

Thanks.
moderated Re: Firefox with JAWS

JM Casey
 

Works fine with Jaws 2018 as well. It's pre-2018 versions that have issues with any working version of Firefox (you shouldn't be using pre-quantum firefox at all).

Unless other, very specific reasons are given, you should always just get the latest version of any web browser. Just go to the mozilla site and download it. We're at v.81, now.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: October 26, 2020 11:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox with JAWS

Latest version seems fine with 2021. I assume no major problems with
2020 either, haven't been any in years.



On 10/26/2020 10:20, Ann Byrne wrote:
Is Firefox working nicely with JAWS2020 and/or 2021? Which version of
the program do I need?

thanks,

Ann
moderated Re: Database creation

HH. Smith Jr.
 

Yeah, following my textbook, I am getting what I need done. It works even better, if you write the statements in notepad and paste them into the console window.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 7:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Database creation

 

On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 07:17 PM, HH. Smith Jr. wrote:

I have been able to install MariaDB 10.5.6 and it is accessible from a command line.

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HH, and that's a very important proviso.   I had not even thought about "accessible" in terms of "from the command line only."

I couldn't have helped there, either, but I do think it's important for anyone who doesn't need access via a GUI to mention it, as that opens up all sorts of options that might not otherwise be considered.

As a general statement, I know of few users these days who have any proficiency with command line interfaces (CLIs).  If you (any you) do, that really changes the scope of what could be considered for a number of things.  And if you do, knowing which CLI or CLIs your proficient with would be good to know, too.
 
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The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss
moderated Re: Outlook Address book

Sherri
 

I find Outlook 2016 very confusing.  I really very much appreciate this explanation. 

 

Just fyi, my outlook crashed last week.  I wasn’t receiving e-mails and it only sent every so often.  I got the Microsoft folks to help, and they just made the problem worse.  But miraculously, it seems to have fixed itself.  The only thing I am missing is the contact list that was in my previous version.  I’m afraid to import it, because I don’t want anything to happen, so I’m sort of adding contacts one at a time.  Again, I really appreciate your thorough explanation.

 

Sherri

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 6:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook Address book

 

Vaughn,

            Let me try to describe what I see happening under Outlook 2016.  There appears to be some interaction between "who I've sent or received an e-mail to/from before" and the Address Book when you type a name rather than all or just a distinctive part of an e-mail address.  Why this is, or how to change it, I cannot explain.

            I have never used Outlook to send a message to my partner, Jim.  However I have previously sent messages to another Jim and a Jill, too.  When I type the two characters Ji (note the capital J) I instantly get a dropdown list appearing with the other Jim and Jill, from which I can select either of the two, but my partners address does not appear.  

            Contrast that with what I get when I type the single character j (lower case).  What shows up is the two previously noted Jim and Jill, plus several additional e-mail addresses I've sent to before, all of which contain the letter j somewhere in them, but my partner's name and e-mail address is still not among the things shown.

             Now, I've gone and sent my partner a message using only his e-mail address, but not fetching anything from the Address book.  When I next go to create a new message and type j into the To field the first item in the list is now his e-mail address, followed by all the others, so most recently sent, and exactly what was used in the sending, is at the top of the list of options.

              Since doing all those tests, I opened Options when I was in the compose window, and activated the Empty Auto-Complete List.  After doing that, no e-mail addresses or names show up when I type a part or all of a name in the To field.  I can enter multiple names separated by semicolon.  If I hit Send, Outlook will begin asking me which address I want if there exists more than one for a given typed name, or just plugging in what's associated with it if there's one.

               So, after all of that, I can say I don't get anything in the auto-complete dropdown list that acts like what it appears you and I were used to in the past.  When I need to select names from my address book I activate the button for the To/CC/BCC fields and use search and select in the dialog that comes up, as I know a number of the addresses I want to use, and would think should pre-populate in that autocomplete list, are not doing so.

                The best explanation of how autocomplete works comes straight from the horse mouth:

Information about the Outlook AutoComplete list 

Note well in the statement, "The list contains SMTP addresses, LegacyExchangeDN entries, and display names for people to whom you have sent mail previously."  (emphasis mine).  

                 So, if you have just set up a new instance of Outlook, the building of the AutoComplete List starts from scratch (if you haven't imported a pre-existing one) so until you send messages to someone for the first time, they're not going to show up.

                  I find it odd that there isn't a use of the Address Book in generating the auto-complete list.  The article also goes into how you can import existing autocomplete lists from other Outlook instances, which I've never done.

                  Sorry for the length of this, but clearly autocomplete isn't what many of us think it should be.
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The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss
moderated Re: Database creation

Brian Vogel
 

On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 07:17 PM, HH. Smith Jr. wrote:
I have been able to install MariaDB 10.5.6 and it is accessible from a command line.
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HH, and that's a very important proviso.   I had not even thought about "accessible" in terms of "from the command line only."

I couldn't have helped there, either, but I do think it's important for anyone who doesn't need access via a GUI to mention it, as that opens up all sorts of options that might not otherwise be considered.

As a general statement, I know of few users these days who have any proficiency with command line interfaces (CLIs).  If you (any you) do, that really changes the scope of what could be considered for a number of things.  And if you do, knowing which CLI or CLIs your proficient with would be good to know, too.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss
moderated Re: Outlook Address book

Vaughn Brown
 

Brian,

 

This was a fantastic read and explanation! I admire and appreciate the effort you put into this issue.

 

I will continue to experiment and if there is an clearer answer I will certainly share it. It is remarkable how companies may change a function in a product that ends up

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 3:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook Address book

 

Vaughn,

            Let me try to describe what I see happening under Outlook 2016.  There appears to be some interaction between "who I've sent or received an e-mail to/from before" and the Address Book when you type a name rather than all or just a distinctive part of an e-mail address.  Why this is, or how to change it, I cannot explain.

            I have never used Outlook to send a message to my partner, Jim.  However I have previously sent messages to another Jim and a Jill, too.  When I type the two characters Ji (note the capital J) I instantly get a dropdown list appearing with the other Jim and Jill, from which I can select either of the two, but my partners address does not appear.  

            Contrast that with what I get when I type the single character j (lower case).  What shows up is the two previously noted Jim and Jill, plus several additional e-mail addresses I've sent to before, all of which contain the letter j somewhere in them, but my partner's name and e-mail address is still not among the things shown.

             Now, I've gone and sent my partner a message using only his e-mail address, but not fetching anything from the Address book.  When I next go to create a new message and type j into the To field the first item in the list is now his e-mail address, followed by all the others, so most recently sent, and exactly what was used in the sending, is at the top of the list of options.

              Since doing all those tests, I opened Options when I was in the compose window, and activated the Empty Auto-Complete List.  After doing that, no e-mail addresses or names show up when I type a part or all of a name in the To field.  I can enter multiple names separated by semicolon.  If I hit Send, Outlook will begin asking me which address I want if there exists more than one for a given typed name, or just plugging in what's associated with it if there's one.

               So, after all of that, I can say I don't get anything in the auto-complete dropdown list that acts like what it appears you and I were used to in the past.  When I need to select names from my address book I activate the button for the To/CC/BCC fields and use search and select in the dialog that comes up, as I know a number of the addresses I want to use, and would think should pre-populate in that autocomplete list, are not doing so.

                The best explanation of how autocomplete works comes straight from the horse mouth:

Information about the Outlook AutoComplete list 

Note well in the statement, "The list contains SMTP addresses, LegacyExchangeDN entries, and display names for people to whom you have sent mail previously."  (emphasis mine).  

                 So, if you have just set up a new instance of Outlook, the building of the AutoComplete List starts from scratch (if you haven't imported a pre-existing one) so until you send messages to someone for the first time, they're not going to show up.

                  I find it odd that there isn't a use of the Address Book in generating the auto-complete list.  The article also goes into how you can import existing autocomplete lists from other Outlook instances, which I've never done.

                  Sorry for the length of this, but clearly autocomplete isn't what many of us think it should be.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss
moderated Re: Database creation

HH. Smith Jr.
 

Thanks, I’ll go take a look.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 7:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Database creation

 

Hi.  try this:

www.guru99.com › database-normalization

Good luck for your course, and let me know if i can help.  Cheers!

On 27/10/2020 7:16 am, HH. Smith Jr. wrote:

I am in a college  course working with databases. In the span of time since this thread has started, I have been able to install MariaDB 10.5.6 and it is accessible from a command line. So, I guess, I am good to go. However, a little off topic, but still in the ballpark, do you know a good tutorial on database normalization.

 

Thx

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 7:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Database creation

 

Hi.  Most RDBMS are accessible through the windows Command prompt.  What do you actually hope to achieve?  If your aim is more clearly stated, it would be easier for me to help.  Cheers!

On 27/10/2020 6:42 am, Brian Vogel wrote:

Depending on what you mean, precisely, by "database software," Excel can be used to create accessible files that are used as databases and can be used in other Office suite programs for doing things such as creating mailing labels.

If you're talking about an accessible full relational database manager (RDBMS), I have no idea.  I have heard it said, repeatedly, that MS-Access is inaccessible, or at very best not accessible anywhere near to the degree needed to use it effectively.  And I have no recommendations regarding any RDBMS that is accessible.

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The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss
moderated Re: Database creation

Jaffar Sidek
 

Hi.  try this:

www.guru99.com › database-normalization

Good luck for your course, and let me know if i can help.  Cheers!

On 27/10/2020 7:16 am, HH. Smith Jr. wrote:

I am in a college  course working with databases. In the span of time since this thread has started, I have been able to install MariaDB 10.5.6 and it is accessible from a command line. So, I guess, I am good to go. However, a little off topic, but still in the ballpark, do you know a good tutorial on database normalization.

 

Thx

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 7:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Database creation

 

Hi.  Most RDBMS are accessible through the windows Command prompt.  What do you actually hope to achieve?  If your aim is more clearly stated, it would be easier for me to help.  Cheers!

On 27/10/2020 6:42 am, Brian Vogel wrote:

Depending on what you mean, precisely, by "database software," Excel can be used to create accessible files that are used as databases and can be used in other Office suite programs for doing things such as creating mailing labels.

If you're talking about an accessible full relational database manager (RDBMS), I have no idea.  I have heard it said, repeatedly, that MS-Access is inaccessible, or at very best not accessible anywhere near to the degree needed to use it effectively.  And I have no recommendations regarding any RDBMS that is accessible.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss
moderated Re: Database creation

Jaffar Sidek
 

Are you wanting to create your own local database or a database for web content?  You could try Sqlite for your own local database.  It is light weight and you can create your database with windows notepad.  go to www.sqlite.org for reference and details.  If you want to create a database for web content, then try Laragon, www.laragon.org.  It is what is known as a WAMP application, a combination of the Apache web server, the MYSQL RDBMS and php for use on windows.  Cheers.

On 27/10/2020 6:47 am, HH. Smith Jr. wrote:

I am looking for a full RDMs.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 6:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Database creation

 

Depending on what you mean, precisely, by "database software," Excel can be used to create accessible files that are used as databases and can be used in other Office suite programs for doing things such as creating mailing labels.

If you're talking about an accessible full relational database manager (RDBMS), I have no idea.  I have heard it said, repeatedly, that MS-Access is inaccessible, or at very best not accessible anywhere near to the degree needed to use it effectively.  And I have no recommendations regarding any RDBMS that is accessible.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss
moderated Re: Database creation

HH. Smith Jr.
 

I am in a college  course working with databases. In the span of time since this thread has started, I have been able to install MariaDB 10.5.6 and it is accessible from a command line. So, I guess, I am good to go. However, a little off topic, but still in the ballpark, do you know a good tutorial on database normalization.

 

Thx

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 7:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Database creation

 

Hi.  Most RDBMS are accessible through the windows Command prompt.  What do you actually hope to achieve?  If your aim is more clearly stated, it would be easier for me to help.  Cheers!

On 27/10/2020 6:42 am, Brian Vogel wrote:

Depending on what you mean, precisely, by "database software," Excel can be used to create accessible files that are used as databases and can be used in other Office suite programs for doing things such as creating mailing labels.

If you're talking about an accessible full relational database manager (RDBMS), I have no idea.  I have heard it said, repeatedly, that MS-Access is inaccessible, or at very best not accessible anywhere near to the degree needed to use it effectively.  And I have no recommendations regarding any RDBMS that is accessible.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss
moderated Re: Database creation

Jaffar Sidek
 

Hi.  Most RDBMS are accessible through the windows Command prompt.  What do you actually hope to achieve?  If your aim is more clearly stated, it would be easier for me to help.  Cheers!

On 27/10/2020 6:42 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
Depending on what you mean, precisely, by "database software," Excel can be used to create accessible files that are used as databases and can be used in other Office suite programs for doing things such as creating mailing labels.

If you're talking about an accessible full relational database manager (RDBMS), I have no idea.  I have heard it said, repeatedly, that MS-Access is inaccessible, or at very best not accessible anywhere near to the degree needed to use it effectively.  And I have no recommendations regarding any RDBMS that is accessible.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss
moderated Re: Database creation

HH. Smith Jr.
 

I was informed that MariaDB is accessible, the latest version 10.5xx.

 

Thx,

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 6:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Database creation

 

I have been meaning to ask about this elsewhere, and just did on the NVDA Chat Subgroup (since this is not NVDA related).

If you want to follow whether anyone knows of a 100% accessible or very largely accessible RDBMS keep an eye on:  Accessible Relational Database Management Software (RDBMS) - Anyone know of one?
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss
moderated Re: Database creation

Glenn / Lenny
 

Would Libra Office meet your needs?
It's free and accessible.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 5:24 PM
Subject: Database creation

Hi,

 

Does anyone know of an accessible database software.

 

thx
moderated Re: Database creation

Brian Vogel
 

I have been meaning to ask about this elsewhere, and just did on the NVDA Chat Subgroup (since this is not NVDA related).

If you want to follow whether anyone knows of a 100% accessible or very largely accessible RDBMS keep an eye on:  Accessible Relational Database Management Software (RDBMS) - Anyone know of one?
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss
moderated accessible database

Marvin Hunkin
 

Hi. Well Microsoft access is accessible with jaws and also sql server.

Thanks.
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