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Re: does a link leave a site?
Also, if a link does shift you out of the site you were in, all it takes is a click of the Back button in your browser to go straight back to the page you just left, provided you haven't browsed around to multiple pages in the site you were taken to. Back only works one page at a time, but if you do it immediately after a site shift you go right back to where you were.
-- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
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Re: does a link leave a site?
On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 01:35 PM, Mark wrote:
I just want to know if a link is going to take me to an entirely new site.Then look at the link. If you're in the site xxx.com, and the link itself shows a domain that's anything other than xxx.com, then you will leave the site. There is no other way to know this, regardless of whether you do it via screen reader checking or the sighted way by looking at the status bar on hover over on a link (since naked links are almost never used anymore - click-through text that tells you what the link is about showing you long ago supplanted naked URLs). -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
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Re: does a link leave a site?
On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 01:11 PM, Mike B wrote:
Are you suggesting that it might be better for those of us that have no vision or low vision to use a mouse for invoking the right mouse click if we have a mouse available verses using the keystroke?- Not exactly. I have not encountered any real difference with right mouse click versus using the Context Menu/Applications Key or SHIFT+F10. But, I have encountered problem after problem with emulated left mouse click. As I noted, on a laptop one shields the mousepad portion that controls mouse movement, or on a desktop one masks the laser on the underside of the mouse itself (or removes the ball, if you have a really ancient mouse), to avoid unintentional mouse movement. Then, if you have focus (sometimes requiring routing of screen reader to PC, but not always) you can simply left click instead of going through the gyrations with emulated left click, which I often find does not work. Having been in "the accessibility business" for a very long time now I do not understand why mouse use with a mouse suitably modified to prevent accidents is not encouraged more often. I understand why one would not ever want to use an unmodified mouse/mouse pad, as movement of the pointer can and often does blow what you're attempting to do out of the water. But if you make things such that the mouse no longer controls the pointer, it gives you the two, real, hard mouse keys for use when you need them. The modifications are simple and result in another arrow in the accessibility quiver. And an arrow one need only use if one so chooses when it makes life easier. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
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Re: does a link leave a site?
Mark
I just want to know if a link is going to take me to an entirely new site. Sometimes I prefer to stay on the same site because I'm already familiar with it.
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Re: does a link leave a site?
Glenn / Lenny
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Mike,
The mouse gives no more options than does the
context menu key.
The problem with an actual mouse is that we may
move it off the item while moving to it.
Some use the right button on a touch pad, but I
typically disable this in control panel or with the function key if possible, so
I don't accidentally touch the touch pad.
So for most, the context key is best.
BTW, I don't understand why anyone would prefer the
right touch pad button over an applications key, but if your computer has no
applications key, it may be better than doing shift + F10.
Glenn
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From: Mike B
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2020 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: does a link leave a site? Brian,
Are you suggesting that it might be better for
those of us that have no vision or low vision to use a mouse for invoking the
right mouse click if we have a mouse available verses using the keystroke?
I always keep a mouse connected to my KVM switch just for general purposes, but
I've never knew or thought to compare a right mouse clicks results to the
pressing of the context menu keystrokes.
Take care and stay safe. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers & Rams! Main's Law: For every action there is an equal and opposite government program. ----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2020 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: does a link leave a site? The right mouse click has benefits over the key strokes- Amen to that, and for anyone when a laptop is in use. It is so much more convenient to use a hard right click (or left click), avoiding emulation of any kind, and it's simple to do in laptop settings and even desktop settings if you have an optical mouse and tape over the laser port on the bottom that is responsible for actual mouse movement. I have all my clients who are laptop users simply cover the mousepad area with a thin piece of cardboard so they can't activate it, but that can also be flipped open on those occasions where a sighted assistant is called in to help since most of them cannot function without a mouse or mouse pad. When that's been done you still have full use of the left and right click buttons when needed, and within reach of your thumbs. I have yet to find a screen reader that reliably, in all cases, has its left click emulation in particular work. I have nothing against SHIFT+F10 or the Applications Key (very commonly called the menu or context menu key) when it's available. But there are very distinct advantages to actual left and right click on many occasions. And that's whether you're blind or sighted or somewhere in between. -- Brian - Windows
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Re: does a link leave a site?
Mike B.
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Brian,
Are you suggesting that it might be better for
those of us that have no vision or low vision to use a mouse for invoking the
right mouse click if we have a mouse available verses using the keystroke?
I always keep a mouse connected to my KVM switch just for general purposes, but
I've never knew or thought to compare a right mouse clicks results to the
pressing of the context menu keystrokes.
Take care and stay safe. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers & Rams! Main's Law: For every action there is an equal and opposite government program.
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2020 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: does a link leave a site? The right mouse click has benefits over the key strokes- Amen to that, and for anyone when a laptop is in use. It is so much more convenient to use a hard right click (or left click), avoiding emulation of any kind, and it's simple to do in laptop settings and even desktop settings if you have an optical mouse and tape over the laser port on the bottom that is responsible for actual mouse movement. I have all my clients who are laptop users simply cover the mousepad area with a thin piece of cardboard so they can't activate it, but that can also be flipped open on those occasions where a sighted assistant is called in to help since most of them cannot function without a mouse or mouse pad. When that's been done you still have full use of the left and right click buttons when needed, and within reach of your thumbs. I have yet to find a screen reader that reliably, in all cases, has its left click emulation in particular work. I have nothing against SHIFT+F10 or the Applications Key (very commonly called the menu or context menu key) when it's available. But there are very distinct advantages to actual left and right click on many occasions. And that's whether you're blind or sighted or somewhere in between. -- Brian - Windows
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Re: does a link leave a site?
On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 11:45 AM, Dan Longmore wrote:
The right mouse click has benefits over the key strokes- Amen to that, and for anyone when a laptop is in use. It is so much more convenient to use a hard right click (or left click), avoiding emulation of any kind, and it's simple to do in laptop settings and even desktop settings if you have an optical mouse and tape over the laser port on the bottom that is responsible for actual mouse movement. I have all my clients who are laptop users simply cover the mousepad area with a thin piece of cardboard so they can't activate it, but that can also be flipped open on those occasions where a sighted assistant is called in to help since most of them cannot function without a mouse or mouse pad. When that's been done you still have full use of the left and right click buttons when needed, and within reach of your thumbs. I have yet to find a screen reader that reliably, in all cases, has its left click emulation in particular work. I have nothing against SHIFT+F10 or the Applications Key (very commonly called the menu or context menu key) when it's available. But there are very distinct advantages to actual left and right click on many occasions. And that's whether you're blind or sighted or somewhere in between. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
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Re: does a link leave a site?
Dan Longmore
Hi,
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The right mouse click has benefits over the key strokes especially for those who are sighted. It is slightly faster than a key stroke and does not require that your finger leave the mouse for a key stroke. As a blind individual I still find myself using the right click with a keystroke instead of the application key . Force of habit and what is "used to". I am glad that the application key and F10 keys are a good alternative but I don't know that one is better than another. Dan
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2020 11:03 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: does a link leave a site? Mark and everyone else on the list, Haven't you ever wondered why sighted folk use a right mouse button? Why would they right click on anything? Why is it even there? That is why we have an applications key, or for computers without one, you can do shift + F10. Every file type and item on the computer gives you options to it that are relative to the object that you right click on, whether it is a picture file, audio file, or web page or eMail link. Try going to a web link and doing applications or shift + F10 and see what your options are. You can copy the link, from one of the options, and you can paste that into notepad or a blank message for inspection, and you'll have your answer. I wonder if folks even use the applications key or shift + F10 sometimes. It has so many implications that will save users a lot of unneeded steps. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mario" <mrb620@hotmail.com> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2020 9:14 AM Subject: Re: does a link leave a site? Adrian, could you explain how to tell what these clues are? -------- Original Message -------- From: Adrian Spratt [mailto:adrian@adrianspratt.com] To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> Date: Saturday, October 24, 2020, 8:06 AM Subject: does a link leave a site? Copy the link and paste it into the Google search field. The results are likely to give you clues. *From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Mark *Sent:* Saturday, October 24, 2020 6:13 AM *To:* main@jfw.groups.io *Subject:* does a link leave a site? is it possible to get information about a link, like to know if takes you to a different site?
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Re: does a link leave a site?
Glenn / Lenny
Mark and everyone else on the list,
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Haven't you ever wondered why sighted folk use a right mouse button? Why would they right click on anything? Why is it even there? That is why we have an applications key, or for computers without one, you can do shift + F10. Every file type and item on the computer gives you options to it that are relative to the object that you right click on, whether it is a picture file, audio file, or web page or eMail link. Try going to a web link and doing applications or shift + F10 and see what your options are. You can copy the link, from one of the options, and you can paste that into notepad or a blank message for inspection, and you'll have your answer. I wonder if folks even use the applications key or shift + F10 sometimes. It has so many implications that will save users a lot of unneeded steps. Glenn
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From: "Mario" <mrb620@hotmail.com> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2020 9:14 AM Subject: Re: does a link leave a site? Adrian, could you explain how to tell what these clues are? -------- Original Message -------- From: Adrian Spratt [mailto:adrian@adrianspratt.com] To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> Date: Saturday, October 24, 2020, 8:06 AM Subject: does a link leave a site? Copy the link and paste it into the Google search field. The results are likely to give you clues. *From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Mark *Sent:* Saturday, October 24, 2020 6:13 AM *To:* main@jfw.groups.io *Subject:* does a link leave a site? is it possible to get information about a link, like to know if takes you to a different site?
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Re: does a link leave a site?
If you're really suspicious about a link then submit it for analysis on virustotal.com.
As to whether it takes you out of a give site or not, there's nothing necessarily suspicious about a link if it does. It's very common, in many circumstances, to give links that direct one to references not on the same site as the content being read. Newspaper and periodical articles are rife with such links. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
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Re: does a link leave a site?
Mario
maybe I don't understand the question, but if Mark types in an address like for example altavista.com and presses enter, it will eventually redirect to https://search.yahoo.com/?fr=altavista.
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I interpret Marks's question as, is there a way to know when an address to a website will be redirected, before it actually is redirected?
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From: Adrian Spratt [mailto:adrian@adrianspratt.com] To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> Date: Saturday, October 24, 2020, 10:20 AM Subject: does a link leave a site? Hi, Mario. One clue could be search results suggesting something suspicious about the email address or the domain reflected in that address. If you plug a phone number into a Google search, you might get results showing that it is associated with robocalls or worse. Similarly, an email address might be associated with spam or phishing, and people will have reported it. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2020 10:14 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: does a link leave a site? Adrian, could you explain how to tell what these clues are? -------- Original Message -------- From: Adrian Spratt [mailto:adrian@adrianspratt.com] To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> Date: Saturday, October 24, 2020, 8:06 AM Subject: does a link leave a site? Copy the link and paste it into the Google search field. The results are likely to give you clues. *From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Mark *Sent:* Saturday, October 24, 2020 6:13 AM *To:* main@jfw.groups.io *Subject:* does a link leave a site? is it possible to get information about a link, like to know if takes you to a different site?
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Re: Pivot tables anyone?
Hi Kandace,
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An Excel pivot table is a database function where Excel takes rows of detailed data and presents it in a summarized format based on your specification. I'm not sure how accessible the summarized table is. I haven't done anything with pivot tables in many years and I still had sight when I last used them. The below website seems to have a good discussion of pivot tables with many examples and I hope you find it useful: https://blog.hubspot.com/marketing/how-to-create-pivot-table-tutorial-ht Alan Lemly
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kandace via groups.io Sent: Friday, October 23, 2020 9:21 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Pivot tables anyone? Hi all, Please help, I need to learn pivot tables. Where do I start? Are there any videos, tutorials, tutors or tip for me? Kandace Haney
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Re: does a link leave a site?
Adrian Spratt
Hi, Mario.
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One clue could be search results suggesting something suspicious about the email address or the domain reflected in that address. If you plug a phone number into a Google search, you might get results showing that it is associated with robocalls or worse. Similarly, an email address might be associated with spam or phishing, and people will have reported it.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2020 10:14 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: does a link leave a site? Adrian, could you explain how to tell what these clues are? -------- Original Message -------- From: Adrian Spratt [mailto:adrian@adrianspratt.com] To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> Date: Saturday, October 24, 2020, 8:06 AM Subject: does a link leave a site? Copy the link and paste it into the Google search field. The results are likely to give you clues. *From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Mark *Sent:* Saturday, October 24, 2020 6:13 AM *To:* main@jfw.groups.io *Subject:* does a link leave a site? is it possible to get information about a link, like to know if takes you to a different site?
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Re: does a link leave a site?
Mario
Adrian, could you explain how to tell what these clues are?
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From: Adrian Spratt [mailto:adrian@adrianspratt.com] To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> Date: Saturday, October 24, 2020, 8:06 AM Subject: does a link leave a site? Copy the link and paste it into the Google search field. The results are likely to give you clues. *From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Mark *Sent:* Saturday, October 24, 2020 6:13 AM *To:* main@jfw.groups.io *Subject:* does a link leave a site? is it possible to get information about a link, like to know if takes you to a different site?
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Re: does a link leave a site?
Adrian Spratt
Copy the link and paste it into the Google search field. The results are likely to give you clues.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Mark
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2020 6:13 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: does a link leave a site?
is it possible to get information about a link, like to know if takes you to a different site?
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Pivot tables anyone?
Kandace <kandace2@...>
Hi all,
Please help, I need to learn pivot tables. Where do I start? Are there any videos, tutorials, tutors or tip for me? Kandace Haney
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does a link leave a site?
Mark
is it possible to get information about a link, like to know if takes you to a different site?
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Re: A website question which may involve Jaws focus
Greg Daniel
Adrian,
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You are entirely correct that the issues I was experiencing had nothing to do with focus; I was confused about maintaining focus with ribbons, and thought that that might help me out. The issue is within the calendar section of the scheduling program which I am using, and it is a strange one. I switched to the Brave browser and now the program works correctly for the week of November 8-14, but not for the previous week--as I mentioned, very strange. Thank you to you and to all others who helped with suggestions. Greg
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt Sent: Friday, October 23, 2020 3:17 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: A website question which may involve Jaws focus Mario, I don't believe Greg is losing focus from the program, but rather from within the program. I only mean to suggest that this line of thinking probably won't lead to a solution. Limited help, I know. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario Sent: Friday, October 23, 2020 3:10 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: A website question which may involve Jaws focus in which case, the only way to regain focus is to either hold down alt and press tab until the program is spoken, and release the alt and tab keys, or press insert+f10, arrow to the program in question and press enter. the former is sort of a toggle, cycling thru what's running. -------- Original Message -------- From: Adrian Spratt [mailto:adrian@adrianspratt.com] To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> Date: Friday, October 23, 2020, 2:38 PM Subject: A website question which may involve Jaws focus Greg, The lost focus setting determines whether JAWS announces that focus has been lost. It doesn't fix the problem. *From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Greg Daniel *Sent:* Friday, October 23, 2020 8:56 AM *To:* main@jfw.groups.io *Subject:* Re: A website question which may involve Jaws focus Mike, I vaguely remember some unnamed keystroke that one could use if Jaws has lost focus; that keystroke rotored through various settings. As the result of another reply, I have tried using Firefox, but unless I can modify settings, Firefox was painfully slow in responding. I haven't tried Edge yet, and Chrome is the browser which is having difficulties with the website. Greg *From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Mike B *Sent:* Friday, October 23, 2020 8:09 AM *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject:* Re: A website question which may involve Jaws focus I'm not sure what you mean about Rotor keystrokes. The only rotor navigation I'm aware of is on an iPhone. Have you tried using the Touch cursor? Take care and stay safe. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers & Rams! Main's Law: For every action there is an equal and opposite government program. ----- Original Message ----- *From:*Greg Daniel <mailto:gdaniel0488@gmail.com> *To:*main_Jaws_users_list <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Sent:*Friday, October 23, 2020 1:42 AM *Subject:*A website question which may involve Jaws focus 4:20 AM 10/23/2020 Hi everyone, I have a website-based question; I am using Windows 10 and Jaws 2020. I am the primary admin for a Eucharistic adoration ministry in my parish, and that ministry uses a web-based application called We Adore Him to control adorer scheduling. I have successfully used the software since August 2018 and, after being shut down by COVID-19 since mid-March, we are preparing to open the chapel again. As a result, I have been assisting adorers to choose an hour in the weekly calendar. All went well until Wednesday, October 21, when the weekly calendar suddenly would not display when I arrowed to it; it now displays the hour at midnight, tells me that one slot is available, and when I arrow down in order to go to a particular hour of the day, I am at the bottom of the screen. I am using the Jaws cursor which appears for all websites, and I have checked to be sure that my screen is maximized and in full-screen mode in Chrome. A sighted tech-savvy friend has assisted me via Zoom and screen-share, and she tells me that the full schedule, showing adorers signed up for this or that hour--is showing on the screen. I have contacted On Fire Media to ask them if they have been testing and that might be the reason for my issue, but they have not. They are aware of Jaws and have a demo copy to use. I can navigate the screen in My Dashboard if I want to update the settings in my account, but whenever I choose "Schedule", choose the particular week, I only see the first entry. I honestly don't know if this is a Jaws focus issue or something entirely different. Can you please remind me of the keystrokes for the rotor which a user can look at in the case of a focus issue? Or, alternatively, do you have other suggestions? I have tried everything I can think of. Thank you for any ideas or suggestions, Greg Daniel Columbus, Ohio
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Re: Windows 10 October Update May Not Work With JAWS 2019
Orlando Enrique Fiol
At 02:47 PM 10/23/2020, Joseph Lee wrote:
I suspect it has to do with Chromium Edge, and if yes, I urge VisperoFirst of all, a Microsoft Disability answer Desk technician's assertions that the latest Windows release doesn't work with JAWS 2019 may be rumor or misinformation, since most of those folks have never actually tested any Windows releases with any screen readers. Second, I see no real reason why JAWS 2019 must keep getting developed and updated in order to work with new Windows releases, when that version is already two versions behind the impending 2021. This is not a case of Microsoft steaming ahead without consulting the blind; it's a case of the blind not wanting to fork over cash for the most expensive screen reader on the market just to experience accessibility with current Windows releases. Orlando Enrique Fiol Charlotte, North Carolina Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist and Pedagogue Ph.D. in Music theory University of Pennsylvania: November, 2018
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Re: A website question which may involve Jaws focus
Greg Daniel
Hi CathyAnne,
After scrounging around in my note taker notes, I realized that I was confusing my question to you with the keystroke which controls focusing on the ribbons.
I have tried the Brave browser and FireFox with better success than with Chrome. I haven’t yet tried using NVDA; sometimes a different screen reader helps with accessing a difficult screen.
Thank you for getting back to me.
Greg Daniel
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of CathyAnne Murtha
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2020 5:56 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: A website question which may involve Jaws focus
You can refresh the JAWS view with JAWS KEY-ESCAPE but I don’t know of any rotor.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Greg Daniel
4:20 AM 10/23/2020
Hi everyone,
I have a website-based question; I am using Windows 10 and Jaws 2020.
I am the primary admin for a Eucharistic adoration ministry in my parish, and that ministry uses a web-based application called We Adore Him to control adorer scheduling. I have successfully used the software since August 2018 and, after being shut down by COVID-19 since mid-March, we are preparing to open the chapel again. As a result, I have been assisting adorers to choose an hour in the weekly calendar. All went well until Wednesday, October 21, when the weekly calendar suddenly would not display when I arrowed to it; it now displays the hour at midnight, tells me that one slot is available, and when I arrow down in order to go to a particular hour of the day, I am at the bottom of the screen.
I am using the Jaws cursor which appears for all websites, and I have checked to be sure that my screen is maximized and in full-screen mode in Chrome. A sighted tech-savvy friend has assisted me via Zoom and screen-share, and she tells me that the full schedule, showing adorers signed up for this or that hour--is showing on the screen. I have contacted On Fire Media to ask them if they have been testing and that might be the reason for my issue, but they have not. They are aware of Jaws and have a demo copy to use. I can navigate the screen in My Dashboard if I want to update the settings in my account, but whenever I choose "Schedule", choose the particular week, I only see the first entry.
I honestly don't know if this is a Jaws focus issue or something entirely different. Can you please remind me of the keystrokes for the rotor which a user can look at in the case of a focus issue? Or, alternatively, do you have other suggestions?
I have tried everything I can think of.
Thank you for any ideas or suggestions,
Greg Daniel
Columbus, Ohio
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