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Re: [External] Accessing jaws menu in laptop layout
Dave Durber
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The correct keystroke is, CTRL+SHIFT+CAPS LOCK+J, to open the JAWS menue. HTH Dave
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From: "Cook, Steve" <Steve.Cook@sccb.sc.gov> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 2:20 PM Subject: Re: [External] Accessing jaws menu in laptop layout Press control shift and caps lock key HTH
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Free accessible typing test?
Ann Byrne
I am resending this with Outlook because Eudora seems to have swallowed it. If it arrives twice, sorry about that.
Can anyone please recommend a free typing test that is accessible with JAWS
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Free accessible typing test?
Ann Byrne
Can anyone recommend a free accessible typing test?
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Accessible typing test?
Ann Byrne
Can anyone please suggest a typing speed test that can be used with JAWS?
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Re: Excel and JAWS Question
Van Lant, Robin
This may be a case for using AIRA or asking the person who sent the file for a basic overview. For example, my manager’s main file she uses for tracking each year’s group of interns has a list of all interns and multiple columns of data across the bottom, but the top of the worksheet has small tables where she is calculating various things like metrics on of hires by gender and school. It took me a while to navigate around and try to determine each section of information.
Also note I have found certain JAWS commands do not work if freeze panes is turned on. Many sighted users use this feature to keep the left column visible as they navigate through the various columns to the right. Similarly, they might turn this on to keep column headers visible. JAWS wasn’t able to show me all cell comments while freze panes was on. There must be a technical reason for this, as JAWS actually told me to unfreeze panes to make it work. I need to email Vispero and ask why this is.
Robin
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Greg Daniel
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 11:29 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Excel and JAWS Question
Mike,
Spreadsheets can be written in formats from the sublime to the ridiculous. As a totally blind user, I try to write down the headings and so get an idea of the organization of the spreadsheet. However, since your co-worker is looking at a full screen and you are accessing the spreadsheet cell by cell, what you can learn depends entirely on the complexity of the spreadsheet itself. No matter how you choose to learn about the functions of the spreadsheet, it’s going to take you longer than it would take a sighted person. For complicated financial spreadsheets, even looking at the screen can be a daunting experience.
Greg
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On Behalf Of Walker, Michael E
Hi,
What is the fastest way to get familiar with a large spreadsheet for the first time using JAWS, if you have no idea what is in it? My co-worker told me that as soon as she opens a spreadsheet, she can immediately see everything she needs to know on screen. I am trying to learn if there is a way to use a computer as fast as someone who can see in every situation. I am totally blind.
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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Excel and JAWS Question
Walker, Michael E
Thank you all for your responses. This makes sense about trying different keyboard shortcuts, to figure out what is best.
Mike
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of NFB Lab 4
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 5:39 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Excel and JAWS Question
Try moving down column A. Then using insert up arrow to read each line. Some of the smaller spreadsheets make it easier to understand that way.
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Re: synthesizer versus voice
On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 11:20 PM, JM Casey wrote:
and this "uncanny valley" aspect is probably already nonexistent for some people.- I'd be one of those people, at least for certain voices under certain synthesizers. It also really depends on just precisely what is being said. There are voices that, to me, are "virtual perfection" in mimicking human speech until you get to one specific word that's seldom used or an inflection. But even then, what sounds "normal" to me may very well sound "weird" to someone else. One experiences that sensation quite often when listening to different human speakers. (And I'm ignoring "as a second language" issues and regional accents for that sensation.) -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
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Re: Accessing jaws menu in laptop layout
Van Lant, Robin
Dave, I don't see the conflict as a JAWS issue to fix. Because laptop layout assumes you do not have a numpad and uses the Caps lock key to allow your right hand on the QWERTY keys to act like a numpad for JAWS navigation, you would eliminate some of that functionality by repurposing the CAPS lock and J keys to open the JAWS menu. I ten to open the JAWS menu by going to the JAWS icon in the system tray and then using the application key to open the context menu. Now that I know of caps lock, shift control option suggested in earlier messages, I think that will become my new norm.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Debby Hill Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 6:46 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Accessing jaws menu in laptop layout Hi Daniel, This is one I learned from this list just a couple of days ago. The keystroke is Control + shift + caps lock to get to the menus from the JAWS laptop layout. I also have a JAWS shortcut on my desktop, and if you just press enter on that you get into the menus. I also put JAWS in the tray, so I know this works. I hope this helps. Take care and stay safe! Debby -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Daniel Wolak Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 6:25 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Accessing jaws menu in laptop layout Hi all, I have occasion to use the laptop layout with Jaws 2020. However, I'm unable to access the jaws menu as I prefer to run it from the system tray. When I use the keyboard shortcut of jaws key (capslock in this case)+j, the only thing that's announced is blank. Interestingly, when I plug in a keyboard that has an insert key and use that instead of capslock it works perfectly. Does anyone know if the key to access the jaws menu from system tray is different in laptop layout? Jaws help doesn't seem to have the answer. Thanks, Daniel This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost as a result of any transmission errors. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication is for informational purposes only, is not an offer, solicitation, recommendation or commitment for any transaction or to buy or sell any security or other financial product, and is not intended as investment advice or as a confirmation of any transaction. Any market price, indicative value, estimate, view, opinion, data or other information herein is not warranted as to completeness or accuracy, is subject to change without notice, and KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. accepts no liability for its use or to update or keep it current. Any views or opinions are those of the individual sender, not necessarily of KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. The sender of this communication is a licensed securities representative employed by or associated with KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. Member FINRA/SIPC and may also represent KeyBank National Association (“KeyBank N.A.”). Securities products and services are offered by KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. Banking products and services are offered by KeyBank N.A. 127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114 If you prefer not to receive future e-mail offers for products or services from Key send an e-mail to DNERequests@key.com with 'No Promotional E-mails' in the SUBJECT line.
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Re: [External] Re: Accessing jaws menu in laptop layout
Cook, Steve
In laptop mode, caps lock key reads previous word. That's why it can't be used.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber via groups.io Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 5:01 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: [External] Re: Accessing jaws menu in laptop layout Debbie: I realize that CTRL+SHIFT+CAPS LOCK+J, will open the JAWS menue, when you have JAWS set to use the laptop keyboard layout but, why make it so complicated, when CAPS LOCK+J, would be so much simplar. I am not aware of any situation, where CAPS LOCK+J, is used to perform any function for Windows or any third-party software package. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debby Hill" <dm-hill@comcast.net> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 1:45 PM Subject: Re: Accessing jaws menu in laptop layout Hi Daniel, This is one I learned from this list just a couple of days ago. The keystroke is Control + shift + caps lock to get to the menus from the JAWS laptop layout. I also have a JAWS shortcut on my desktop, and if you just press enter on that you get into the menus. I also put JAWS in the tray, so I know this works. I hope this helps. Take care and stay safe! Debby -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Daniel Wolak Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 6:25 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Accessing jaws menu in laptop layout Hi all, I have occasion to use the laptop layout with Jaws 2020. However, I'm unable to access the jaws menu as I prefer to run it from the system tray. When I use the keyboard shortcut of jaws key (capslock in this case)+j, the only thing that's announced is blank. Interestingly, when I plug in a keyboard that has an insert key and use that instead of capslock it works perfectly. Does anyone know if the key to access the jaws menu from system tray is different in laptop layout? Jaws help doesn't seem to have the answer. Thanks, Daniel
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Re: [External] Accessing jaws menu in laptop layout
Cook, Steve
Press control shift and caps lock key HTH
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Thank You, Steve Cook, CPM Assistive Technology Consultant Newsline Administrator SC Commission for the Blind 1430 Confederate avenue Columbia, SC 29201 Office: (803) 898-8788 Cell: (803) 908-3856 1-888-335-5951 www.sccb.state.sc.us
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Daniel Wolak via groups.io Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 6:25 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: [External] Accessing jaws menu in laptop layout Hi all, I have occasion to use the laptop layout with Jaws 2020. However, I'm unable to access the jaws menu as I prefer to run it from the system tray. When I use the keyboard shortcut of jaws key (capslock in this case)+j, the only thing that's announced is blank. Interestingly, when I plug in a keyboard that has an insert key and use that instead of capslock it works perfectly. Does anyone know if the key to access the jaws menu from system tray is different in laptop layout? Jaws help doesn't seem to have the answer. Thanks, Daniel
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Re: Accessing jaws menu in laptop layout
Dave Durber
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David:
If some of the INSERT+key keystrokes cannot be used
by CAPS LOCK+key keystrokes, it would be nice to know why the CAPS LOCK cannot
be substituted for the INSERT key. I would be curious as to why these
substitutions cannot be made.
Dave
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Re: Accessing jaws menu in laptop layout
Dave Durber
Debbie:
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I realize that CTRL+SHIFT+CAPS LOCK+J, will open the JAWS menue, when you have JAWS set to use the laptop keyboard layout but, why make it so complicated, when CAPS LOCK+J, would be so much simplar. I am not aware of any situation, where CAPS LOCK+J, is used to perform any function for Windows or any third-party software package. Dave
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From: "Debby Hill" <dm-hill@comcast.net> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 1:45 PM Subject: Re: Accessing jaws menu in laptop layout Hi Daniel, This is one I learned from this list just a couple of days ago. The keystroke is Control + shift + caps lock to get to the menus from the JAWS laptop layout. I also have a JAWS shortcut on my desktop, and if you just press enter on that you get into the menus. I also put JAWS in the tray, so I know this works. I hope this helps. Take care and stay safe! Debby -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Daniel Wolak Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 6:25 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Accessing jaws menu in laptop layout Hi all, I have occasion to use the laptop layout with Jaws 2020. However, I'm unable to access the jaws menu as I prefer to run it from the system tray. When I use the keyboard shortcut of jaws key (capslock in this case)+j, the only thing that's announced is blank. Interestingly, when I plug in a keyboard that has an insert key and use that instead of capslock it works perfectly. Does anyone know if the key to access the jaws menu from system tray is different in laptop layout? Jaws help doesn't seem to have the answer. Thanks, Daniel
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Re: Accessing jaws menu in laptop layout
Dave Durber
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Not being able to access the JAWS menue with the CAPS LOCK+J key combination, has never been addressed by the programmers of JAWS, with the result that it has never been fixed. I do not know about other users of JAWS but, I have suggested they fix the problem several times over the years. Seemingly, they think there is not enough cudos and self-praise for them, in fixing such a small problem. Dave
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From: "Daniel Wolak" <danielwolak97@hotmail.com> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 11:24 AM Subject: Accessing jaws menu in laptop layout Hi all,
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Re: synthesizer versus voice
David Diamond
Funny because some prefer eloquence over real speak from JAWS. The person who did the Australian voice for JAWS said she had a huge manuscript the size of a phone book to record. Also the Texas version of U S English had slight variations. For me, the word motor sounded like murder. It could have been my hearing disability though.
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Re: looking for the keystrokes to insert a heading on a website using JAWS 2020
HH. Smith Jr.
Hi,
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If you are editing the HTML code directly. The syntax is as follows: <hx> the information you want displayed </hx> the "x" denotes a number from 1 to 6 depending on what level the heading is on. The highest level is 1. HTH
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dacia Cole Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 12:47 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: looking for the keystrokes to insert a heading on a website using JAWS 2020 Hi, I am having to edit a website I'm one of the administrators on and I am fairly new to this. I am wanting to create headings for various parts of the website. I know I have to type what I want the heading to say first then how do I go about making it a heading using the keyboard? What keystrokes do I use to make this happen? I'm using a Lenovo laptop with Windows 8.1 and JAWS 2020. Does it matter which browser I'm using to edit the website? Are the keystrokes the same no matter which browser I use? thanks, Dacia
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Re: synthesizer versus voice
JM Casey
Cool writeup/analysis. I've no doubt we will get there, but I don't think
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we're there yet -- I've heard a few top-of-the-lie commercial voice synthesisers and to me they still haven't quite grasped the inflection and intonations of the human voice. But they're getting eerily close. So ..in time. And of course, all our ears are different, too, and this "uncanny valley" aspect is probably already nonexistent for some people.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Orlando Enrique Fiol via groups.io Sent: September 20, 2020 11:10 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice At 09:00 PM 9/20/2020, Mark asked: >what's the difference between a synthesizer and a voice? A synthesizer uses electronic processes to fashion complex timbres from acoustic or electronic sound sources. For example, a triangle wave may be combined with clarinet samples to produce a "synthesized" clarinet. However, I suspect your question pertains to our text-to-speech engines. There, the distinction between speech synthesizer and voice operates on two levels. The synthesizer is the speech engine as a whole, while individual voices (such as male, female, child, etc.) can be chosen. On a deeper level, though, the difference between synthesizer and voice rests in the sources for phonemes used by a text-to-speech engine. With purely synthesized speech, human speech is electronically modeled, just as digital FM synthesizers such as the Yamaha DX7 attempted to create acoustic-sounding timbres using electronic sources rather than actual samples. There's a vital difference between trying to make an electronic keyboard sound like a violin or banjo, and actually recording single notes on violin or banjo in order to spread them out across the keyboard. The old-fashioned speech synthesizer uses no human speech samples, while most text-to-speech engines today do indeed use exclusively human speech samples. That's why today's voices sound more realistic and human; they're fashioned from recordings of human beings speaking different words or parts of words, from which the speech engine constructs its vocabulary libraries. As a sidenote, this human speech sampling and modeling technology is at the point where one can theoretically make a speech engine from anyone's voice, which has produced some unintended byproducts. It is now possible to create convincing audio recordings of people allegedly saying things they never actually said. This is done by sampling enough of their recorded speech to formulate a lexicon not only of vocabulary, but more important, of their vocal inflections, the rises, falls, breaths and pauses in their speech. With this modeling technology, we soon will not know for certain whether people have actually said what we've heard them say on audio recordings or videos. So, there you have it: a little primer on synthesis and sampled sound. Orlando Enrique Fiol Ph.D. in Music theory University of Pennsylvania: November, 2018 Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist and Pedagogue Charlotte, North Carolina
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Re: synthesizer versus voice
Orlando Enrique Fiol
At 09:00 PM 9/20/2020, Mark asked:
what's the difference between a synthesizer and a voice?A synthesizer uses electronic processes to fashion complex timbres from acoustic or electronic sound sources. For example, a triangle wave may be combined with clarinet samples to produce a "synthesized" clarinet. However, I suspect your question pertains to our text-to-speech engines. There, the distinction between speech synthesizer and voice operates on two levels. The synthesizer is the speech engine as a whole, while individual voices (such as male, female, child, etc.) can be chosen. On a deeper level, though, the difference between synthesizer and voice rests in the sources for phonemes used by a text-to-speech engine. With purely synthesized speech, human speech is electronically modeled, just as digital FM synthesizers such as the Yamaha DX7 attempted to create acoustic-sounding timbres using electronic sources rather than actual samples. There's a vital difference between trying to make an electronic keyboard sound like a violin or banjo, and actually recording single notes on violin or banjo in order to spread them out across the keyboard. The old-fashioned speech synthesizer uses no human speech samples, while most text-to-speech engines today do indeed use exclusively human speech samples. That's why today's voices sound more realistic and human; they're fashioned from recordings of human beings speaking different words or parts of words, from which the speech engine constructs its vocabulary libraries. As a sidenote, this human speech sampling and modeling technology is at the point where one can theoretically make a speech engine from anyone's voice, which has produced some unintended byproducts. It is now possible to create convincing audio recordings of people allegedly saying things they never actually said. This is done by sampling enough of their recorded speech to formulate a lexicon not only of vocabulary, but more important, of their vocal inflections, the rises, falls, breaths and pauses in their speech. With this modeling technology, we soon will not know for certain whether people have actually said what we've heard them say on audio recordings or videos. So, there you have it: a little primer on synthesis and sampled sound. Orlando Enrique Fiol Ph.D. in Music theory University of Pennsylvania: November, 2018 Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist and Pedagogue Charlotte, North Carolina
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Re: synthesizer versus voice
Glenn / Lenny
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A synthesizer is the software or hardware device,
like Eloquence or Dectalk, and a voice is the variances, like Eloquence has Reed
and Glenn and Dectalk has Harry and other names I cannot remember.
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synthesizer versus voice
Mark
what's the difference between a synthesizer and a voice?
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using spyware blaster
Mario
is anyone using version 6.0 of the mentioned program? I would like to know if it is accessible with JAWS 2020 (or NVDA), and is it a good program to have
and use? I don't remember if he is on this list, but I remember Brian Vogel turned me on to using this program again a few years ago.
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