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moderated Re: Excel and JAWS Question

NFB Lab 4
 

Try moving down column A. Then using insert up arrow to read each line. Some of the smaller spreadsheets make it easier to understand that way.


On Sep 19, 2020, at 1:12 AM, Bob Kennedy <intheshop@...> wrote:



As far as being able to compete with a sighted user, the quick answer is no. You can get close if you have a fantastic memory and can remember all of the Jaws commands for reading. Don't mean to be discouraging, I'm being honest, which a lot of people don't like.
On Friday, September 18, 2020, 12:42:14 PM EDT, Walker, Michael E <michael.e.walker3@...> wrote:


Hi,

 

What is the fastest way to get familiar with a large spreadsheet for the first time using JAWS, if you have no idea what is in it? My co-worker told me that as soon as she opens a spreadsheet, she can immediately see everything she needs to know on screen. I am trying to learn if there is a way to use a computer as fast as someone who can see in every situation. I am totally blind.

 

Thanks,

Mike


moderated Accessing jaws menu in laptop layout

Daniel Wolak
 

Hi all,

I have occasion to use the laptop layout with Jaws 2020.

However, I'm unable to access the jaws menu as I prefer to run it from the system tray.

When I use the keyboard shortcut of jaws key (capslock in this case)+j, the only thing that's announced is blank.

Interestingly, when I plug in a keyboard that has an insert key and use that instead of capslock it works perfectly.

Does anyone know if the key to access the jaws menu from system tray is different in laptop layout?

Jaws help doesn't seem to have the answer.

Thanks,


Daniel


moderated Re: Getting the PC cursor to repeat what it just said

Mark
 

Oops, I should have wrote CAPS + I improved things.


moderated Not able to edit cells with latest Jaws and Excel 2016

Bob Kennedy
 

Hopefully someone has run into this as well. When I open a cell with F2, unless it is a small number or maybe 2 words in a cell, I can't read by characters. When I use the arrow keys Jaws says blank unless I am on the line with text and it will read the whole cell at once. But I can't navigate to the text.

I copied the workbook and opened it on my work computer and I'm fine. I opened settings for Jaws and both computers have the same settings checked.

I've had a couple people from FS tandem in and they couldn't find anything that would fix the problem.

Thanks for any help


moderated Re: Excel and JAWS Question

Bob Kennedy
 


As far as being able to compete with a sighted user, the quick answer is no. You can get close if you have a fantastic memory and can remember all of the Jaws commands for reading. Don't mean to be discouraging, I'm being honest, which a lot of people don't like.

On Friday, September 18, 2020, 12:42:14 PM EDT, Walker, Michael E <michael.e.walker3@...> wrote:


Hi,

 

What is the fastest way to get familiar with a large spreadsheet for the first time using JAWS, if you have no idea what is in it? My co-worker told me that as soon as she opens a spreadsheet, she can immediately see everything she needs to know on screen. I am trying to learn if there is a way to use a computer as fast as someone who can see in every situation. I am totally blind.

 

Thanks,

Mike


moderated Re: Excel and JAWS Question

Glenn / Lenny
 

I've never appreciated sighted people thinking that tasks need to be done at the speed of light.
I find it annoying when sighted people think I need help if it takes me 10 seconds longer to find a door for example.
Likewise, what is so important about being able to see what a file is about half a minute faster than a Blind person's technique.
some sighted people speed-read, and I believe that they don't absorb the information as well as a typical reader.
And some Blind folks can read Braille or synthetic speech faster than sighted people can read print.
Glenn
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: Excel and JAWS Question

Mike,

 

Spreadsheets can be written in formats from the sublime to the ridiculous.  As a totally blind user, I try to write down the headings and so get an idea of the organization of the spreadsheet.  However, since your co-worker is looking at a full screen and you are accessing the spreadsheet cell by cell, what you can learn depends entirely on the complexity of the spreadsheet itself.  No matter how you choose to learn about the functions of the spreadsheet, it’s going to take you longer than it would take a sighted person.  For complicated financial spreadsheets, even looking at the screen can be a daunting experience.

 

Greg

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Walker, Michael E
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 12:42 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Excel and JAWS Question

 

Hi,

 

What is the fastest way to get familiar with a large spreadsheet for the first time using JAWS, if you have no idea what is in it? My co-worker told me that as soon as she opens a spreadsheet, she can immediately see everything she needs to know on screen. I am trying to learn if there is a way to use a computer as fast as someone who can see in every situation. I am totally blind.

 

Thanks,

Mike


moderated Re: Excel and JAWS Question

Greg Daniel
 

Mike,

 

Spreadsheets can be written in formats from the sublime to the ridiculous.  As a totally blind user, I try to write down the headings and so get an idea of the organization of the spreadsheet.  However, since your co-worker is looking at a full screen and you are accessing the spreadsheet cell by cell, what you can learn depends entirely on the complexity of the spreadsheet itself.  No matter how you choose to learn about the functions of the spreadsheet, it’s going to take you longer than it would take a sighted person.  For complicated financial spreadsheets, even looking at the screen can be a daunting experience.

 

Greg

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Walker, Michael E
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 12:42 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Excel and JAWS Question

 

Hi,

 

What is the fastest way to get familiar with a large spreadsheet for the first time using JAWS, if you have no idea what is in it? My co-worker told me that as soon as she opens a spreadsheet, she can immediately see everything she needs to know on screen. I am trying to learn if there is a way to use a computer as fast as someone who can see in every situation. I am totally blind.

 

Thanks,

Mike


moderated Re: Excel and JAWS Question

Scott Pearl
 

Whether the below way is as fast as a sighted person, Idon’t know. There may be other ways to figure out quickly the content of a spreadsheet you’re not familiar with but the below way is how I like to do it.

Typically, I will just start pressing control with the arrow keys to start navigating regions. I’m looking for how big this spreadsheet actually is. If it only goes out for a few regions, this method will be extremely quick. But if there are dozens or hundreds of regions, then after awhile I will use the go to key to go to the edge of the spreadsheet and then control left arrow or control up arrow to get to the last populated cell. There are key combinations that JAWS has to tell you which cells are populated but they don’t help me as I think very spatially and to see what’s at the far right of a spreadsheet, it’s more difficult for me to conceptualize it when I had to press down arrow to get there.

I’ve gotten fairly quick at the above steps and I can typicaly pick up how big a large spreadsheet is in about 10-15 seconds. It’s probably not as fast as a sighted person can get that information by just looking at the screen but it works for me.

Once I’ve gotten my boundaries I begin looking at how they have it laid out. Where are column and row headers, formulas, inserted data and so on.

Again, there are other methods and keystrokes that JAWS has of getting this information but if you’re one who needs to think spatially by pressing the arrow keys with control, this method has worked for me.    

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Walker, Michael E
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 10:42 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Excel and JAWS Question

 

Hi,

 

What is the fastest way to get familiar with a large spreadsheet for the first time using JAWS, if you have no idea what is in it? My co-worker told me that as soon as she opens a spreadsheet, she can immediately see everything she needs to know on screen. I am trying to learn if there is a way to use a computer as fast as someone who can see in every situation. I am totally blind.

 

Thanks,

Mike


moderated Scripts for Zoom?

Ann Byrne
 

when in Zoom, insert+q says default settings, z-chatUI.dll. Are these Zoom settings, I hope?

Thx


moderated Re: Getting the PC cursor to repeat what it just said

Mark
 

Hi Glenn and Bill,

Caps + L did improve things. Thank you. However, I don't think it's repeating the Tutor and Message Voice, which is sometimes helpful to hear a second or third time. Does JAWS have a reputation for having a reasonable logic amidst its apparent inconsistencies? 

Sincerely,

Mark


moderated Re: Switching voice profiles according to your mood

Mark
 

Hello David. Yes, I can install Voice Profiles.  I've made a new one called Evening Reading. Thank you. I'll also set up a new Speech and Sound scheme.
I don't really have a good grasp of the synthesizers or how they are different from the Voices that we can download. Can you tell me about that?


moderated Re: Excel and JAWS Question

Mark Fisher
 



Hi

When you first enter the workbook, you can use JAWS Key+F1 to provide some basic information about what is in each tab such as the amount of cells with data, size of the data ranges and any JAWS customising that has been done on the spreadsheet. You can move between the tabs and execute this command in each tab. Whilst not ideal, it gives you a starting point.

A good practice to get into and to advise others to do is to create a Notes tab at the front of the workbook to describe what's in the workbook and each tab especially if its a complicated workbook. This also helps when others are trying to follow the steps of what people have done to create the workbook. I use this to describe briefly what's in each tab and also where the data came from. It may take a few minutes longer when setting up the workbook but makes everything easier for people coming into the workbook for the first time whether they can see or not.

Mark Fisher
Principal - HR Systems
Water Corporation


moderated Re: Beta

Mike B
 

Hi Pastor Gil,
 
After you...
 
Down arrow to, Medium..., press the spacebar to open.  Note, don't press enter here, only use the spacebar.
 
Now use first letter navigation, press the letter, T, 2 or 3 times and you should land on the Table grid checkbox.
 
Now tab to, Okay, press the spacebar, then tab to, apply, press the spacebar, and tab to, okay, press enter to save / close.
 
Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 10:44 AM
Subject: Beta

Hi Mike,

I couldn''t find table grid check box.

 

Pastor Gil


moderated Re: Dropbox Password Manager

 

I haven't tried the Dropbox password manager which is available to those with Dropbox Plus accounts. I'd recommend you try KeePass and KeePass Touch for iOS which you can have for a combined investment of 99 cents. I'm sure you can import your 1Password entries into KeePass.

Alan Lemly 

with Outlook for iOS


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Phillip Gross <phillip_gross@...>
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 10:17:32 AM
To: jfw@groups.io <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Dropbox Password Manager
 
Has anyone tried the new password manager from Dropbox yet and if so is it accessible with JAWS? If it has worked well with JAWS do you know how well it works with Voiceover on an IOS device? I realize my second question is off topic but right now I’m paying for both Dropbox Plus and the 1Password password manager and I wouldn’t mind dropping 1Password.


moderated Beta

Pastor Gilbert Pries
 

Hi Mike,

I couldn''t find table grid check box.

 

Pastor Gil


moderated Re: Excel and JAWS Question

Jim Fettgather
 

I would use the jaws command
Control shift D to place all the cells  with data in a list.

Sent from my jPhone

On Sep 18, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Walker, Michael E <michael.e.walker3@...> wrote:



Hi,

 

What is the fastest way to get familiar with a large spreadsheet for the first time using JAWS, if you have no idea what is in it? My co-worker told me that as soon as she opens a spreadsheet, she can immediately see everything she needs to know on screen. I am trying to learn if there is a way to use a computer as fast as someone who can see in every situation. I am totally blind.

 

Thanks,

Mike


moderated Excel and JAWS Question

Walker, Michael E
 

Hi,

 

What is the fastest way to get familiar with a large spreadsheet for the first time using JAWS, if you have no idea what is in it? My co-worker told me that as soon as she opens a spreadsheet, she can immediately see everything she needs to know on screen. I am trying to learn if there is a way to use a computer as fast as someone who can see in every situation. I am totally blind.

 

Thanks,

Mike


moderated Re: Switching voice profiles according to your mood

David Griffith
 

Yes this is easily done as long as you have set up the Profiles.

Simply press Jaws Keys plus control and S for speech profile and you can cursor down the list of available profiles and press enter on the one you want.

 

Shout back if you need help setting up the Profiles. In my view Jaws should do this automatically for each voice installed but  will not do so. You will get the option to change to each main synthetiser group automatically but you will have to save a profile for say each Vocaliser Expressive voice in Jaws separately if you want it to appear in the list with this keystroke. This is tedious to set up but pretty straightforward when you know how.

 

David G.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Mark
Sent: 18 September 2020 10:17
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Switching voice profiles according to your mood

 

Does anyone have experiences with changing JAWS voices or voice profile according to your mood? For example, reading in the evening it might be nicer to have an evening voice profile with softer tones and slower speed. I imagine the same could apply between switching things up to read a poem versus a work email. Perhaps it also requires having a custom Speech and Sound Scheme for each mood too.  I'm not sure how best to approach that, or even if others have been down this same road. It would be ideal to switch things for moods with only a couple of keyboard commands.

 


moderated Beta

Pastor Gilbert Pries
 

Thanks Mike.

 

Pastor Gil


moderated Re: Beta

Maria Campbell
 

You could merge your settings from one version to another.  That way you could keep your previous settings in the next version. 


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke
On 9/18/2020 1:31 AM, Mike B wrote:

Hi Pastor Gil,
 
I don't run Outlook, but this is something to try that has worked for others.
 
 Open the Settings Center while in the application or open the default all applications Settings Center if you want to do this for all applications.  Insert + 6, on the number row for Settings Center and press, Control, Shift + D, for Settings Center default all applications.
 
 Down arrow to, Web / HTML / PDFs closed, right arrow toopen.
 
 
Down arrow to, Reading, right arrow to open.
 
 
Down arrow to, Configure Web Verbosity Levels closed, right arrow to open.
 
 
Down arrow to, Medium..., press the spacebar to open.  Note, don't press enter here, only use the spacebar.
 
 
Down arrow many times to, Table grid checked, or use first letter navigation, and uncheck this.
 
Now, Okay, then apply, and okay.

Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: Beta

Well, in Outlook if there is a group of messages, JAWS starts at the bottom of the list instead of at the top.

When I am on the desk top, jaws says selected and then unselected over and over.

Also in Outlook when I am in my inbox Jaws says table view.  It never did that before.

Pastor Gil

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Robbins
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 4:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Beta

 

Can you share with the group why?

 

Alan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pastor Gil Pries
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 5:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Beta

 

I have gone back to Jaws 2020 until the next beta comes out.

 

Pastor Gil

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