1. main@jfw.groups.io
   Date   
moderated Re: Video Editor that Works with JAWS

Marty Hutchings
 

I am also looking for a video editor. I want to take the audio from a video and replace it with audio that was recorded and mastered to a different location or DAW at the same time that the video was recorded. As long as the video or the mastered audio track starts at the same time and neither has been sped up or slowed down, they should sync up.
Is there an ap for that?


Love in Christ
Marty
If we view this present life as our primary goal, we will agree with William Shakespeare who said: “Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.” From TODAY IN THE WORD June 1, 2020

-----Original Message-----
From: Vic Beckley
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 4:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Video Editor that Works with JAWS

How do you set the beginning point and end point of the trim? Where are the controls you speak of? All I could find were sliders that didn't want to move very quickly.

Vic


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Swati Sinha
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2020 1:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Video Editor that Works with JAWS

Hi,
Yes, you can do.
After keeping the long video in story board navigate to controls like
"start trim and end trim. If you want to trim the beginning portion or
end portion you can use these controls. for trimming the video in
between you will have to explore as I haven't done this therefore I am
not aware of it.
After trimming
the video you can check by activating the play button and once done,
activate "finish button" Inside the window, activate "export button"
and choose a location to save the file.
Your trimmed video will be ready and your original file will be
available in the collection tab of the photo app.
Hope this is helpful.

Regards,
Swati Sinha

On 8/6/20, JOHN RIEHL via groups.io <REALMAN02=VERIZON.NET@groups.io> wrote:
Hi, Swati. This is really good info. I have a question. Is it possible,
using this program, to mark a particular portion of a long video and create
a new video file using what the part you extracted?
Thanks!
John Riehl

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Swati Sinha
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 7:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Video Editor that Works with JAWS

Hello,
You may try Microsoft Photo app.
I am not clearly sure about the accessibility with Jaws but I tried with
Narrator and it is working quite good.
If Narrator is accessible then of course Jaws will be.
Steps:
1. Open Photo app from start menu.
2. Navigate to new video menu and select blank video and hit enter.
3. Give a name to your video and hit ok button.
4. In the next window activate add button > from this PC and select the file
you want to upload.
(Note: You will have to upload the files one by one).
5. After adding all the files in the window select the files in the order
you want to keep . Remember, the last file that you uploaded is selected by
default therefore you will have to unselect it so as to manage the correct
order of your video.
6. Now navigate to "place in story board" and hit enter. Now all the files
are placed in story board in the order in which you have selected.
7. You can choose play button to listen to your merged video . You can also
explore the options like background music, 3D effects and so on if you
want.

8. If you want you also try the trim option to trim your video in case you
need.
9. Now go to finish button and hit enter.
10. In the window, select export . Choose file dialog box will appear select
the location where you want to save the file. Your exporting will begin and
once done the created video will play automatically.
With Regards,
Swati Sinha

On 8/6/20, Debbie April Yuille <debbiey1982@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
Hi All



Does anyone know of a video editor that will let me merge videos
seamlessly together that works with JAWS.



Thanks

Debbie





--
when things don't seem to be going your way, always know that God has a plan
for you. If you place your trust in Him, He will give you great gifts. We
don't always know what God's plans are for us. We just know that His ways
are not our ways, but His ways are always best.







--
when things don't seem to be going your way, always know that God has
a plan for you. If you place your trust in Him, He will give you great
gifts. We don't always know what God's plans are for us. We just know
that His ways are not our ways, but His ways are always best.
moderated Question about headphones

Jasmine Kotsay
 

Hello everyone,
I have a question for whoever can answer. What I am looking for is a type of headphones that can be used with both an iPhone and laptop, both wireless and with a wire, that are noise canceling and light weight, foldable, and low priced. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
moderated Re: Bluetooth headphones

David Diamond
 

Have you tried pairing them with your laptop?  I know I got a nice pair of earbuds from amazon with a built in microphone.  Although paired with my XR, I’ve not tested them with my laptop as, frankly I never saw the need.   I use my XR when out in the backyard with the dogs and on a call.  The XR sits in the holder for my iPhone in the lawn chair while I am walking around the yard checking up on the dogs. With the built in microphone I hear the person and they can hear my response to their comment. Whether there is Bluetooth headphones that can be paired to more then one device, I don’t know.  Thus your enquiry.    
moderated Re: Bluetooth headphones

Richard Turner
 

Check around for the h800 at Best Buy, Target, Amazon, etc.
I paid $62 at Best Buy.
Good headphones using the wireless USB with the laptop and the bluetooth with my iPhone.




Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Aug 11, 2020, at 2:59 PM, Milton Ota <mota1252@...> wrote:

I can recommend to you the H800 Logitech. I bought this headset from the Harboltcompany.com I think he still has some left.

I looking on the Logitech website and it seems like this model has been discontinue.

It is a blutooth/wireless and comes with a USB dongle.

If you want you can find a whole slue of prices, models, makes and brands on Amazon.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralph Supernaw via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 4:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Bluetooth headphones

Are there any Bluetooth headphones that are responsive enough to use with my laptop?  It would be a bonus if the same ones worked well with my iPhone XR.

Thanks.
moderated Re: Bluetooth headphones

Milton Ota
 

I can recommend to you the H800 Logitech. I bought this headset from the Harboltcompany.com I think he still has some left.

I looking on the Logitech website and it seems like this model has been discontinue.

It is a blutooth/wireless and comes with a USB dongle.

If you want you can find a whole slue of prices, models, makes and brands on Amazon.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralph Supernaw via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 4:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Bluetooth headphones

Are there any Bluetooth headphones that are responsive enough to use with my laptop? It would be a bonus if the same ones worked well with my iPhone XR.

Thanks.
moderated Bluetooth headphones

Ralph Supernaw
 

Are there any Bluetooth headphones that are responsive enough to use with my laptop? It would be a bonus if the same ones worked well with my iPhone XR.

Thanks.
moderated Re: Video Editor that Works with JAWS

Vic Beckley
 

How do you set the beginning point and end point of the trim? Where are the controls you speak of? All I could find were sliders that didn't want to move very quickly.

Vic

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Swati Sinha
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2020 1:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Video Editor that Works with JAWS

Hi,
Yes, you can do.
After keeping the long video in story board navigate to controls like
"start trim and end trim. If you want to trim the beginning portion or
end portion you can use these controls. for trimming the video in
between you will have to explore as I haven't done this therefore I am
not aware of it.
After trimming
the video you can check by activating the play button and once done,
activate "finish button" Inside the window, activate "export button"
and choose a location to save the file.
Your trimmed video will be ready and your original file will be
available in the collection tab of the photo app.
Hope this is helpful.

Regards,
Swati Sinha

On 8/6/20, JOHN RIEHL via groups.io <REALMAN02=VERIZON.NET@groups.io> wrote:
Hi, Swati. This is really good info. I have a question. Is it possible,
using this program, to mark a particular portion of a long video and create
a new video file using what the part you extracted?
Thanks!
John Riehl

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Swati Sinha
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 7:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Video Editor that Works with JAWS

Hello,
You may try Microsoft Photo app.
I am not clearly sure about the accessibility with Jaws but I tried with
Narrator and it is working quite good.
If Narrator is accessible then of course Jaws will be.
Steps:
1. Open Photo app from start menu.
2. Navigate to new video menu and select blank video and hit enter.
3. Give a name to your video and hit ok button.
4. In the next window activate add button > from this PC and select the file
you want to upload.
(Note: You will have to upload the files one by one).
5. After adding all the files in the window select the files in the order
you want to keep . Remember, the last file that you uploaded is selected by
default therefore you will have to unselect it so as to manage the correct
order of your video.
6. Now navigate to "place in story board" and hit enter. Now all the files
are placed in story board in the order in which you have selected.
7. You can choose play button to listen to your merged video . You can also
explore the options like background music, 3D effects and so on if you
want.

8. If you want you also try the trim option to trim your video in case you
need.
9. Now go to finish button and hit enter.
10. In the window, select export . Choose file dialog box will appear select
the location where you want to save the file. Your exporting will begin and
once done the created video will play automatically.
With Regards,
Swati Sinha

On 8/6/20, Debbie April Yuille <debbiey1982@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
Hi All



Does anyone know of a video editor that will let me merge videos
seamlessly together that works with JAWS.



Thanks

Debbie





--
when things don't seem to be going your way, always know that God has a plan
for you. If you place your trust in Him, He will give you great gifts. We
don't always know what God's plans are for us. We just know that His ways
are not our ways, but His ways are always best.







--
when things don't seem to be going your way, always know that God has
a plan for you. If you place your trust in Him, He will give you great
gifts. We don't always know what God's plans are for us. We just know
that His ways are not our ways, but His ways are always best.
moderated Re: bryan smarttalking win pe

Randy Barnett
 

Here you go:

https://1drv.ms/u/s!ArI9mdteFUZIgcZo__VpPiEjDkgYaQ?e=D8pTHh

On 8/9/2020 2:26 PM, Dave Durber wrote:

Yes there is. Glen has it. He may be prepared to post the link from which you can download it.
 
Dave
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Rod
Sent: Sunday, 9 August, 2020 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: bryan smarttalking win pe

Is there one for Win 10?
 
 

Rod Alcidonis, Esq.
 
From: Dave Durber
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2020 3:19 AM
Subject: Re: bryan smarttalking win pe
 
Glen:
 
I have Brian Smart's basic TWPE, if you would like it.
 
Dave
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Sunday, 9 August, 2020 3:28 AM
Subject: Re: bryan smarttalking win pe
 
Here's Brian Smart's Mega ISO of the talking WinPE:
Note, his has Eloquence, but no extra utilities:
And here's Carlos's, with only eSpeak, and lots of useful utilities built in, I don't think Carlos ever made one with Eloquence:
Glenn
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Dr. arvind singh brar
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2020 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: bryan smarttalking win pe
 
Hi, i too was unable to find the brian smart win pe but was wondering if this one will do?
 
https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/sergei_strelecs_winpe.html

No trees were destroyed in the sending of this message, however, a significant number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.

On 9 Aug 2020, at 1:25 AM, Dave Durber <d.durber@...> wrote:

John:

If you use a standard WPE, it it is unlikely, that Narrater will be available.

Whereas, if you use Brian Smart's Windows 7 TWPE or Carlos's (I am sorry I do not remember his last name), Windows 10 TWPE, you get NVDA, with Eloquence built in.

You can do many things, when you use a WPE or TWPE

Completely erase a system drive, which, obviously, you could not do, if you wer running a session of Windows.

You can use a 3rd party software package to restore a backed up image of a system drive, created by, for example, Macrium or Image for Windows, again, you cannot do that, if you are in a Windows session.

2 examples of why you need to use, a WPE or, a TWPE or, something else, which allows you to do certain things,outside the constrictions while any operating system is running.

HTH

Dave

----- Original Message ----- From: "John Covici" <covici@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, 8 August, 2020 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: bryan smarttalking win pe


Again, Windows will do all that by itself, just boot the media and do
control-enter-windows and you will get narrator if the sound driver is
supported.

On Sat, 08 Aug 2020 15:36:11 -0400,
Glenn / Lenny wrote:

He wants it for putting into a vmWare (virtual machine) , which is a virtual
space in your operating system where you can install operating systems.
Aside from that, one may still have a use for a WinPE, if you need to access
your operating system or hard drive without booting into your windows.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Covici" <covici@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Cc: <jfw@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2020 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: bryan smarttalking win pe


You don't need it anymore, if you are using Windows 10 recent
versions.

On Sat, 08 Aug 2020 05:23:54 -0400,
Marvin Hunkin wrote:
>
> [1  <text/plain; us-ascii (quoted-printable)>]
> Hi. Need the bryan smart talking windows pe, and when I try to go to > his
> site, it is no longer there. So does any one have that still. Last or
> latest
> version, and send me a link, so I can download.
>
> The blind help project talking win pe does not work with vmware player > and
> says eufi not supported.
>
> And do have ueif and secure boot on my assuss vivo book laptop.
>
> Able to help.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [2  <text/html; us-ascii (quoted-printable)>]

--
Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:
How do
you spend it?

        John Covici wb2una
        covici@...







--
Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:
How do
you spend it?

       John Covici wb2una
       covici@...
moderated Re: Need help with Facebook

JM Casey
 

Alright, hopefully it’s not too late then, but see if you can’t get a direct link. I think you’ll have to use regular facebook site for this, probably.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tammy Freitag
Sent: August 10, 2020 10:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need help with Facebook

 

I did do a search. This is to be a live event.  Several names came up as a result of my search.

Thanks!

Tammy

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2020 10:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need help with Facebook

 

Hey.

 

Have you tried a search?

Can you get someone from the fundraiser/who has access to the page of that fundraiser to post a link to you?

m.facebook.com may not do it; I’m not sure if I’ve ever seen a fundraiser page to verify if that’s true or not but, there are a lot of facebook features that are closed off to users of m.facebook.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tammy Freitag
Sent: August 9, 2020 9:19 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Need help with Facebook

 

Hello,

I am needing to find a fund-raiser on facebook live.  I am using Jaws 2019 and Windows 10.  I have explored on m.facebook.com and facebook.com and still don’t have a clue.  The people running the fund-raiser don’t have a clue how to help potential blind supporters.  Can anyone offer some guidance?

Thanks!

Tammy

 

This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
www.avast.com

 
moderated Re: accessible with jaws?

Van Lant, Robin
 

Louise,

We’ve been having some conversations about it recently on this list.  It works OK to attend a meeting, but not easy to chat, annotate, etc. while in a meeting.  You just have to be patient as it requires a lot of tabbing.  Some say it works better if you are using the desktop app version, which I’m just starting to work with.  I also find the iphone app pretty accessible.  Are you trying to host a meeting or just attend?

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of louise peyton
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 10:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: accessible with jaws?

 

Hello:

Does anyone know if the webex video conference program is accessible with Jaws?  Thanks in advance.

Louise

This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost as a result of any transmission errors. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy.

This communication is for informational purposes only, is not an offer, solicitation, recommendation or commitment for any transaction or to buy or sell any security or other financial product, and is not intended as investment advice or as a confirmation of any transaction. Any market price, indicative value, estimate, view, opinion, data or other information herein is not warranted as to completeness or accuracy, is subject to change without notice, and KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. accepts no liability for its use or to update or keep it current. Any views or opinions are those of the individual sender, not necessarily of KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc.

The sender of this communication is a licensed securities representative employed by or associated with KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. Member FINRA/SIPC and may also represent KeyBank National Association (“KeyBank N.A.”). Securities products and services are offered by KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. Banking products and services are offered by KeyBank N.A.

127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114

If you prefer not to receive future e-mail offers for products or services from Key send an e-mail to DNERequests@... with 'No Promotional E-mails' in the SUBJECT line.

moderated Re: jaws 2020 update?

Leo
 

oh good, it is time if you ask me 🤔


Best,
   Leo
On 8/11/2020 9:38 AM, Larry Gassman wrote:

It should be this month.

Larry

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 8:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 update?

 

I don't think anyone knows when the next JAWS update will be released. It will be when Vispero has enough bugs fixed to make it worth it to release an update, and when they are fairly sure the "fixes" work on a wide range of system configurations.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@... <mailto:billwhite92701@...> 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>  [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Leo
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 5:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> 
Subject: jaws 2020 update?

 

does anyone know when the next update will be release? the last update was released in June.

 

--
Best,
   Leo

moderated Re: Question regarding installing a new installation of Windows 8/8.1

Brian Vogel
 

On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 12:47 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
32-bit support is in slow decline, with OEM’s told to no longer produce 32-bit systems, specifically May 2020 Update (Version 2004( and later will not be preinstalled on 32-bit systems. Making matters complicated is mixed reception of Windows 10 on ARM64 chips.
-
Just an observation on this:  If you have actual 32-bit PC hardware, you seriously need to be budgeting for new(er) hardware now.

The ancient (and it's probably almost 20 now, maybe 15-18) Gateway machine with the Pentium Dual Core in it was already 64-bit hardware, though it was produced when 32-bit Windows still dominated, so it was actually shipped with 32-bit Windows 7.  At one point, after upgrading to 32-bit Windows 10, I did a completely clean reinstall so that I could go from 32-bit Windows 10 to 64-bit, as there is no direct upgrade path.  But once you have a Windows 10 license associated with the machine, it's good for either bit-depth of Windows 10, so I went for it.

But actual 32-bit PC hardware is not just ancient, but prehistoric at this juncture.  I can't remember the last time I touched actual 32-bit hardware (as opposed to 32-bit software, which is still common and runs just fine on 64-bit systems).
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss
moderated Re: Question regarding installing a new installation of Windows 8/8.1

Joseph Lee
 

Hi,

I’m not Brian, but I can confirm that:

Microsoft said in 2017 that computers (mostly tablets) shipping with certain Intel Atom processors (specifically, Atom Z2xxx) will not receive recent Windows 10 feature updates; for these machines, Anniversary Update (Version 1607) will be the last feature update, with support ending in January 2023.

Also, based on data I have and personal tests, I can say for certain that:

  1. 32-bit support is in slow decline, with OEM’s told to no longer produce 32-bit systems, specifically May 2020 Update (Version 2004( and later will not be preinstalled on 32-bit systems. Making matters complicated is mixed reception of Windows 10 on ARM64 chips.
  2. Certain Windows 10 features (mostly dealing with virtualization features) will require more recent processors. Specifically, any processor produced after 2006 are compatible, although more recent processors (say, produced after 2011) will let Windows take advantage of hardware features. Special note for VMware users: you’ll need second generation Intel Core (Sandy Bridge) or later processors for certain scenarios under May 2020 Update and later.
  3. Support for a given hardware by a Windows 10 feature update depends on manufacturers’ support duration and attitude, mostly concerning drivers.
  4. A system will be blocked from receiving feature updates if one or more of the following is true: unsupported hardware (see above), app compatibility (mostly dealing with older releases of an app that Microsoft is told it can cause issues), outdated drivers, and certain Windows settings.

 

A few weeks ago I wrote on another list that one must treat Windows 10 as a service, and that the days of waiting for years to get major releases is over. In other words, you must treat Windows 10 upgrades as akin to mobile OS upgrades, as it is essentially what it has come down to (at least attitude wise). It is both a good news and a bad news: good news because folks can get latest features quickly; bad news as we (screen reader developers and users) must keep up with changes at a faster pace.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 9:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding installing a new installation of Windows 8/8.1

 

Brian, you wrote:

"It is now, and always has been, for sane users, a choice among what is currently under support for the hardware they have."

 

This is regarding a message I just received last night from another mailing list regarding a user who needs to upgrade his OS but is concerned about installing Windows 10. His concern has to do with the hardware support in that he's wondering how often Microsoft would choose to stop supporting specific hardware. I might have dismissed this concern but I do remember reading that a certain chipset would no longer support Windows 10 beyond a certain build. As I only read one report about this my assumption is that this is a rare event. However, the user wondered if it might be better to at least install an OS that he absolutely knows has three years of support as opposed to a more modern OS which could be yanked from support for his machine at any time. As this is likely a rare occurrence I'd personally take my chances with Windows 10 but I wanted to know how valid this concern is.

 

David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist
 
JAWS Certified, 2019
 
www.davidgoldfield.org

On 8/11/2020 12:11 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 11:29 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

This begs the question: did your friend tell you their reasons for not upgrading to Windows 10 for free?

-
That would be interesting to know.

But regardless of the reason, I have gotten pretty adamant with my clients about Windows 10 or nothing if the question of upgrading arises.  It is completely unsafe to use any unsupported OS in contact with the internet.  Windows 8.1, unless someone already uses it, has been much more difficult for most Windows users to adjust to because it made a tectonic shift in presumptions about how things would be accessed, skewing almost entirely toward touch, that simply never materialized.  It's also got its clock ticking.

I won't even consider installing Windows 7 under any circumstances or any other version of Windows prior to 8.1, as they're all out of support.

And the sooner people, all of 'em, get over the idea that, "I don't like it," being a legitimate reason to reject an operating system the better.  It is now, and always has been, for sane users, a choice among what is currently under support for the hardware they have.  Choosing otherwise is willful stupidity (and, as someone who does this for a living, also would potentially expose me to liability I refuse to be exposed to).

There are things about Windows 10 I don't like, there were many things about Windows 8/8.1 I despised, there were things about Windows 7 I didn't like - see the pattern?  But what you actually use is what Microsoft supports, not what you personally prefer.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss
moderated Re: Question regarding installing a new installation of Windows 8/8.1

David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
 

Brian,

Thanks for the clarification. In fact, my own desktop predates Windows 7 and is an Athlon dual core processor and it actually runs Windows 10 surprisingly well.


David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

www.davidgoldfield.org
On 8/11/2020 12:37 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

David,

            You are correct that this is not only an exceedingly rare occurrence, but one that has only happened so far on the Cloverfield (I think, it's been a while) series of Intel processors, and because Intel decided to drop support for something Windows 10 depends upon.

            Unless his hardware predates the Windows 8 era, he has no more to worry about than anyone buying a computer today has, for all practical intents and purposes.  If it's from the Windows 7 era, then looking at what processor it has is appropriate.  I don't see any of the Intel i-series processors, which dominated the market, going out of support any time soon because they've been used all the way up through the present.

            Another thing that people need to realize is that computer hardware, any computer hardware, does have a finite service life as software (not just OSes) progresses.  I have an old machine with a Pentium Dual Core that can (and does) run Windows 10, but I wouldn't want to be using it now even if it were back on Windows 7 and Windows 7 were still supported.  It is far more likely that most of the computers that most of us here have today will be disposed of through our own choice than because Windows 10 support for their hardware disappears.  
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss
moderated Re: Question regarding installing a new installation of Windows 8/8.1

Brian Vogel
 

David,

            You are correct that this is not only an exceedingly rare occurrence, but one that has only happened so far on the Cloverfield (I think, it's been a while) series of Intel processors, and because Intel decided to drop support for something Windows 10 depends upon.

            Unless his hardware predates the Windows 8 era, he has no more to worry about than anyone buying a computer today has, for all practical intents and purposes.  If it's from the Windows 7 era, then looking at what processor it has is appropriate.  I don't see any of the Intel i-series processors, which dominated the market, going out of support any time soon because they've been used all the way up through the present.

            Another thing that people need to realize is that computer hardware, any computer hardware, does have a finite service life as software (not just OSes) progresses.  I have an old machine with a Pentium Dual Core that can (and does) run Windows 10, but I wouldn't want to be using it now even if it were back on Windows 7 and Windows 7 were still supported.  It is far more likely that most of the computers that most of us here have today will be disposed of through our own choice than because Windows 10 support for their hardware disappears.  
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss
moderated accessible with jaws?

louise peyton
 

Hello:

Does anyone know if the webex video conference program is accessible with Jaws?  Thanks in advance.

Louise
moderated Re: Question regarding installing a new installation of Windows 8/8.1

David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
 

Brian, you wrote:

"It is now, and always has been, for sane users, a choice among what is currently under support for the hardware they have."


This is regarding a message I just received last night from another mailing list regarding a user who needs to upgrade his OS but is concerned about installing Windows 10. His concern has to do with the hardware support in that he's wondering how often Microsoft would choose to stop supporting specific hardware. I might have dismissed this concern but I do remember reading that a certain chipset would no longer support Windows 10 beyond a certain build. As I only read one report about this my assumption is that this is a rare event. However, the user wondered if it might be better to at least install an OS that he absolutely knows has three years of support as opposed to a more modern OS which could be yanked from support for his machine at any time. As this is likely a rare occurrence I'd personally take my chances with Windows 10 but I wanted to know how valid this concern is.


David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

www.davidgoldfield.org
On 8/11/2020 12:11 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 11:29 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
This begs the question: did your friend tell you their reasons for not upgrading to Windows 10 for free?
-
That would be interesting to know.

But regardless of the reason, I have gotten pretty adamant with my clients about Windows 10 or nothing if the question of upgrading arises.  It is completely unsafe to use any unsupported OS in contact with the internet.  Windows 8.1, unless someone already uses it, has been much more difficult for most Windows users to adjust to because it made a tectonic shift in presumptions about how things would be accessed, skewing almost entirely toward touch, that simply never materialized.  It's also got its clock ticking.

I won't even consider installing Windows 7 under any circumstances or any other version of Windows prior to 8.1, as they're all out of support.

And the sooner people, all of 'em, get over the idea that, "I don't like it," being a legitimate reason to reject an operating system the better.  It is now, and always has been, for sane users, a choice among what is currently under support for the hardware they have.  Choosing otherwise is willful stupidity (and, as someone who does this for a living, also would potentially expose me to liability I refuse to be exposed to).

There are things about Windows 10 I don't like, there were many things about Windows 8/8.1 I despised, there were things about Windows 7 I didn't like - see the pattern?  But what you actually use is what Microsoft supports, not what you personally prefer.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss
moderated Re: Question regarding installing a new installation of Windows 8/8.1

Brian Vogel
 

On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 12:22 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
It is only unsafe to the reckless user,
This is untrue.  As soon as security patches cease, any nefarious player that finds them can exploit them, and in perpetuity.

It's not "drinking the Kool-Aid" but best practice to advise any user against using any unsupported OS in contact with cyberspace.  And that's whether we're talking an unsupported Windows, Linux, MacOS, or what have you.

You do as you see fit.  I'm standing firmly with exactly what I've said and what I do.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss
moderated Re: Question regarding installing a new installation of Windows 8/8.1

Glenn / Lenny
 


Brian, are you being paid by Microsoft?
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: Question regarding installing a new installation of Windows 8/8.1

On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 12:13 PM, Dave Durber wrote:
Yes, I am being paid.
-
Well, since 8.1 is still supported, there are no liability issues with installing it.

I would still try to assess why they want it.  If it's because it's what they're used to from other machines, then so be it, but I'd still encourage them to give Windows 10 a try.

Virtually all the resistance I've met to Windows 10 over the years it's been available has been based entirely on misinformation about it (as well as ignorance of the fact that most of the things complained about, particularly system health telemetry, were retrofitted all the way back to Windows 7).
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss
moderated Re: Question regarding installing a new installation of Windows 8/8.1

Glenn / Lenny
 


Brian,
Microsoft has not totally given up on support for even windows 7 users.
In fact MS recently decided to include the Edge browser as a windows 7 update that I did not ask for.
At first, I did not like that MS did this, but when FireFox was crashing, I'm glad it was available as an option, I sometimes use Chrome too.
And Security Essentials is still working in 7.
And there are third-party virus and malware tools available for folks to use.
It is only unsafe to the reckless user, and we should not be trying to scare people into drinking the Microsoft kool aid with regard to windows 10.
The fact is that if someone is reckless regarding what they download and sites they go to, no matter which version of windows, they are vulnerable to malicious software getting on their system.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: Question regarding installing a new installation of Windows 8/8.1

On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 11:29 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
This begs the question: did your friend tell you their reasons for not upgrading to Windows 10 for free?
-
That would be interesting to know.

But regardless of the reason, I have gotten pretty adamant with my clients about Windows 10 or nothing if the question of upgrading arises.  It is completely unsafe to use any unsupported OS in contact with the internet.  Windows 8.1, unless someone already uses it, has been much more difficult for most Windows users to adjust to because it made a tectonic shift in presumptions about how things would be accessed, skewing almost entirely toward touch, that simply never materialized.  It's also got its clock ticking.

I won't even consider installing Windows 7 under any circumstances or any other version of Windows prior to 8.1, as they're all out of support.

And the sooner people, all of 'em, get over the idea that, "I don't like it," being a legitimate reason to reject an operating system the better.  It is now, and always has been, for sane users, a choice among what is currently under support for the hardware they have.  Choosing otherwise is willful stupidity (and, as someone who does this for a living, also would potentially expose me to liability I refuse to be exposed to).

There are things about Windows 10 I don't like, there were many things about Windows 8/8.1 I despised, there were things about Windows 7 I didn't like - see the pattern?  But what you actually use is what Microsoft supports, not what you personally prefer.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss
7081 - 7100 of 88188