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moderated Re: question about gmail

Amir Shah
 

I am using outlook 365

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Milton Ota
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 2:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: question about gmail

 

If you are using Microsoft 365, press your alt key, tab to view, press space bar, arrow down to arrange by and you will see your options there.

 

It helps if you had said what e-mail client you are using with gmail or whether you are accessing gmail via the web.

 

Milton

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Amir Shah
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 4:31 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: question about gmail

 

Hi good day all. I have question about Gmail.

My question is when I open my email it is backwards. I mean that it does not show me my new messages  my new message is all the way to the bottom. So how do I change that. Thank you for any advice.


moderated Re: question about gmail

 

My guess is that you've accidentally flipped the sort on the Received column.  You can sort your messages based on any one of the column headers (e.g., Subject, From, etc.)   The default is using conversation view, by date, with the main sort on the received column with the newest messages sorted to the top of the list, getting older as you go further down your inbox.

The easiest thing to do is use the View ribbon:  ALT+V,  RS   (Throw focus to the View Ribbon then activate the Reverse Sort control).  After that, based on what you've offered, they should be sorted in the order you wish to have them in.

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moderated Re: question about gmail

Milton Ota
 

If you are using Microsoft 365, press your alt key, tab to view, press space bar, arrow down to arrange by and you will see your options there.

 

It helps if you had said what e-mail client you are using with gmail or whether you are accessing gmail via the web.

 

Milton

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Amir Shah
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 4:31 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: question about gmail

 

Hi good day all. I have question about Gmail.

My question is when I open my email it is backwards. I mean that it does not show me my new messages  my new message is all the way to the bottom. So how do I change that. Thank you for any advice.


moderated Re: question about gmail

Amir Shah
 

I am reading it in outlook

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 2:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: question about gmail

 

Are you reading your Gmail in their webmail interface or an e-mail client like Thunderbird or Outlook?
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moderated Re: question about gmail

 

Are you reading your Gmail in their webmail interface or an e-mail client like Thunderbird or Outlook?
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moderated question about gmail

Amir Shah
 

Hi good day all. I have question about Gmail.

My question is when I open my email it is backwards. I mean that it does not show me my new messages  my new message is all the way to the bottom. So how do I change that. Thank you for any advice.


moderated Re: Webex

Sean Murphy
 

Firstly, scrips are not required for WebEx. You need to understand the screen layout which is a big Barrier for some uses.

On the left-hand side of the screen is all the controls which open up chat, polls, attendees etc. This content is contained on the left side on the screen and you access it by using f6 . CTRL Tab switches between the attendees, chats, etc. F6 takes you back to the main controls. Tab goes between all the different options. You have to press the chat button to make the available chats visible on the right-hand side.  on the Cisco website there is a bunch of shortcut keys available for WebEx. I did not know what they all are.  


My experience is the part 

On 4 Aug 2020, at 9:43 am, Mark Fisher <fishsilv@...> wrote:



Hi, would love to talk direct as our organisation uses WebEx and whilst I've already highlighted a couple of things to their accessibility team i.e. no keystroke for turning video on and off in WebEx Meetings, or raise your hand, I'd be keen to provide some other direct feedback.   
Mark Fisher
Principal - HR Systems
Water Corporation


moderated Re: How to delete Silenzio folder in C drive

netbat66
 

is the file needed? maybe it is still in the recycle bin and can be restored.

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Munn
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2020 8:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: How to delete Silenzio folder in C drive


Hi all, this is Michael. do any of you kno{ how to delete Silenzio folder from the C drive?
I accidentally deleted the language folder in Silenzio located in C drive and and everytime when I turn on my computer, Jaws usually say that Error
File C:\Program Files (x86)\Silenzio\languages\English.txt not graphic 398 found.

Ok
This is why I want to delete this folder and everytime I'm trying to delete it says that this folder is in use.
Hope to hear from you soon.
Best regards
Michael Munn


moderated Re: How to delete Silenzio folder in C drive

Chris Hill
 

Reinstall the program, or uninstall it.  Deleting the folder would just give you a different error.



On 8/4/2020 10:27, Michael Munn wrote:
Hi all, this is Michael. do any of you kno{ how to delete Silenzio folder from the C drive? 
I accidentally deleted the language folder in Silenzio located in C drive and and everytime when I turn on my computer, Jaws usually say that Error
File C:\Program Files (x86)\Silenzio\languages\English.txt not graphic 398  found.
Ok 
This is why I want to delete this folder and everytime I'm trying to delete it says that this folder is in use. 
Hope to hear from you soon.
Best regards 
Michael Munn 


moderated Re: How to delete Silenzio folder in C drive

Casey <cwollner@...>
 

Hi maybe disable Jaws and try using narrator and see if that works.

Or set jaws to not start up like you have it now.

Then reload your computer and bring up narrator and try it that way.

On 8/4/2020 10:27 AM, Michael Munn wrote:
Hi all, this is Michael. do any of you kno{ how to delete Silenzio folder from the C drive? 
I accidentally deleted the language folder in Silenzio located in C drive and and everytime when I turn on my computer, Jaws usually say that Error
File C:\Program Files (x86)\Silenzio\languages\English.txt not graphic 398  found.
Ok 
This is why I want to delete this folder and everytime I'm trying to delete it says that this folder is in use. 
Hope to hear from you soon.
Best regards 
Michael Munn 
-- 

Casey


moderated How to delete Silenzio folder in C drive

Michael Munn
 

Hi all, this is Michael. do any of you kno{ how to delete Silenzio folder from the C drive? 
I accidentally deleted the language folder in Silenzio located in C drive and and everytime when I turn on my computer, Jaws usually say that Error
File C:\Program Files (x86)\Silenzio\languages\English.txt not graphic 398  found.
Ok 
This is why I want to delete this folder and everytime I'm trying to delete it says that this folder is in use. 
Hope to hear from you soon.
Best regards 
Michael Munn 


moderated Re: Webex

Mark Fisher
 



Hi, would love to talk direct as our organisation uses WebEx and whilst I've already highlighted a couple of things to their accessibility team i.e. no keystroke for turning video on and off in WebEx Meetings, or raise your hand, I'd be keen to provide some other direct feedback.   
Mark Fisher
Principal - HR Systems
Water Corporation


moderated Re: PictureSmart Being Blocked By Corporate Firewall

 

On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 05:45 PM, Van Lant, Robin wrote:
My philosophy is always help people understand the dilemma you are in and see if they can agree to a work around before raising a stink about something.
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On that we're in complete agreement.  The old adage (who's intent I understand, even if my reaction to the literal is, "Ewwwwwwww!"), "You can catch more flies with honey than vinegar," applies.

I have been put in the position where I had to raise a very big stink, and my reputation for being willing to work with anyone for a long while, but if you push me past those limits there will be hell to pay, has served me well in work and in life.  I was very glad I learned the lesson to insist, and not nicely, but absolutely firmly, when you are right because it has proven pivotal in advocating for the care of my Mom, who is now in the late stages of dementia.  The managers of her facility, with whom I have a cordial relationship, decided to push me too far, once.  After a call to the Vice President of the organization promptly afterward, that apology came, along with the action I required, in less than two hours.

If you "go thermonuclear" well before that would be necessary all you get is a bad reputation.  Always start out with cooperation and kindness, even going farther along that road than you might like, but if you don't get the result that you know is right, be prepared to fight, swiftly and ferociously if necessary.

No one can take advantage of you.  You allow it.  You teach people how to treat you.

      ~ Dawn Bugni

No one can take advantage of you without your permission.

       ~ Ann Landers


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moderated jaws 2019 with 3 brailledisplays

William Windels
 

Hello,

 

I don’t understand where the key-assignments for different brailledisplays are stored.

 

Situation:

My old computer had key-assignements in jaws 2019 for a focus2, 80 cells, a focus5 80 cells display and a handytech braille star 80.

 

When starting with my new computer, I exported all my settings from jaws2019 into a .sbak-file from my old computer and I imported it with success in my new computer.

 

On the new computer, it seems that not all the types of displays had the same key-assignements like on the old computer.

I tought there is only one default.jkm file for all displays , it should be stored there and for shore, it should be in the .sbak-file?

But this works probably on another way?

 

What is needed to have all my key-assignements back like on my old computer?

All hints are very welcome.

 

Kind regards,

 

William Windels

 

Incident Manager SWF

02/506 0 487 / 0477 88 4276 (ik werk niet op maandag- en vrijdagnamiddag)

 


moderated Re: PictureSmart Being Blocked By Corporate Firewall

Abraham Sweiss
 

In my case, I have direct access to the operations team that manages the systems for me. So all I need to do is email them.
You may want to develop a relationship with those individuals at your company to help streamline things.


Thanks,abraham 

On Aug 3, 2020, at 5:45 PM, Van Lant, Robin via groups.io <Robin_Van_Lant@...> wrote:



Brian, you are right.   I pulled in a  number of people to get clearance to just call my local tech guy to help when I needed admin rights for something JAWS related. This was a lot easier when in the office, as I could just pop over to his desk with my laptop and have him type in his credentials. Feels like a much bigger to do if I have to set up a remote connection now, so I just haven’t dealt with it as of late.  My philosophy is always help people understand the dilemma you are in and see if they can agree to a work around before raising a stink about something.  In my case, I was trying to do the right think for my local guy by calling the helpdesk and getting them to log a ticket to engage the local guy. That’s what they want all other employees to do, but this was so difficult with a help desk that had no idea what JAWS is, so I just asked the manager of that team how I could do it in a more effective way.  Part of it is not being afraid to reach out to people higher up in an organization and just politely say that you are trying to do the right thing and figure out a better process.  I’ve also found out who our ADA compliance offers is within HR and will copy her on stuff so I have her backing. 

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 12:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: PictureSmart Being Blocked By Corporate Firewall

 

On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 02:04 PM, Van Lant, Robin wrote:

I don’t have admin privileges to make some setting change for it to fully install.

-
Another battle I've had to engage in for multiple users of assistive technology (AT) of all sorts.  AT tends to need to update on a relatively frequent basis, and will most often do so on its own, but that feature is useless if the end-user cannot rely on it.

On some occasions, I have managed to get IT to create a special admin account where the login to same is tracked that allows the user to do the update when it comes along, and on others have made the IT department have a "drop everything now" policy (informal, of course) where the user could call with regard to an AT update and it would go to the top of the list.  These things are generally so quick and easy that if IT will not change its formal policies they are often willing to be a lot more flexible about providing direct service when needed.  It's not like it's every other day, either, but updates to AT usually aren't "purely decorative" in nature.

And the excuse, "Well, you could do your job before without {insert new feature that would make you so much faster and more efficient}," generally doesn't fly if your boss and, if needed, HR are behind you.   Reasonable accommodations are just that, and when a technology pops up that makes work life "more reasonable" and poses no credible security threat or other impediment (e.g., lack of HIPAA compliance), at least here in the USA providing same is legally obligatory.
 
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moderated Re: PictureSmart Being Blocked By Corporate Firewall

Van Lant, Robin
 

Brian, you are right.   I pulled in a  number of people to get clearance to just call my local tech guy to help when I needed admin rights for something JAWS related. This was a lot easier when in the office, as I could just pop over to his desk with my laptop and have him type in his credentials. Feels like a much bigger to do if I have to set up a remote connection now, so I just haven’t dealt with it as of late.  My philosophy is always help people understand the dilemma you are in and see if they can agree to a work around before raising a stink about something.  In my case, I was trying to do the right think for my local guy by calling the helpdesk and getting them to log a ticket to engage the local guy. That’s what they want all other employees to do, but this was so difficult with a help desk that had no idea what JAWS is, so I just asked the manager of that team how I could do it in a more effective way.  Part of it is not being afraid to reach out to people higher up in an organization and just politely say that you are trying to do the right thing and figure out a better process.  I’ve also found out who our ADA compliance offers is within HR and will copy her on stuff so I have her backing. 

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 12:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: PictureSmart Being Blocked By Corporate Firewall

 

On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 02:04 PM, Van Lant, Robin wrote:

I don’t have admin privileges to make some setting change for it to fully install.

-
Another battle I've had to engage in for multiple users of assistive technology (AT) of all sorts.  AT tends to need to update on a relatively frequent basis, and will most often do so on its own, but that feature is useless if the end-user cannot rely on it.

On some occasions, I have managed to get IT to create a special admin account where the login to same is tracked that allows the user to do the update when it comes along, and on others have made the IT department have a "drop everything now" policy (informal, of course) where the user could call with regard to an AT update and it would go to the top of the list.  These things are generally so quick and easy that if IT will not change its formal policies they are often willing to be a lot more flexible about providing direct service when needed.  It's not like it's every other day, either, but updates to AT usually aren't "purely decorative" in nature.

And the excuse, "Well, you could do your job before without {insert new feature that would make you so much faster and more efficient}," generally doesn't fly if your boss and, if needed, HR are behind you.   Reasonable accommodations are just that, and when a technology pops up that makes work life "more reasonable" and poses no credible security threat or other impediment (e.g., lack of HIPAA compliance), at least here in the USA providing same is legally obligatory.
 
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moderated Re: Webex

Marty Hutchings
 

I finally convinced a group I’m in to switch to Zoom, because although WebEx was very rudementally accessible, Zoom is far better.  I was able to get logged in and hear and talk to other meeting participants with WebEx, but I was not able to access the chat or the participant list.  I was not able to find any scripts for JAWS for WebEx.  I’m pretty sure that scripts could be developed for WebEx.  I also had a problem getting my mic to work with WebEx and the audio settings test function would work for my speakers, but not my microphone.  I ended up switching my microphone to the on board sound card from my SB Live card that worked fine with Zoom.
 
Love in Christ
Marty
If we view this present life as our primary goal, we will agree with William Shakespeare who said: “Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.” From TODAY IN THE WORD June 1, 2020
 

Sent: Monday, August 03, 2020 4:14 PM
Subject: WebEx
 
So I have used Zoom with jaws and am fairly proficient with it but I really haven't used WebEx at all. My wife got a job with Cisco a few months ago and between the stories about lack of security on Zoom a few months ago and Cisco owning WebEx I hear plenty of Zoom evil because she hears plenty of WebEx perfect Zoom bad conversations and relays them to me.

Anyway we got to talking about and I really didn't know how accessible WebEx was. I did a quick Google search, when I did it i didn't have the time to dig deeply, and I found that while there was a little bit of information on WebEx Teams there wasn't much on using WebEx for meetings ETC. so I thought I would get the experiences on here and maybe see if she would try to pass them on. How accessible is WebEx? What problems do you have with it, what do you like about it, what changes could you suggest, is there anything else I should know? Is there a list of jaws scripts that help when using Webex? I'll probably post the same question on the NVDA list although come to think about it I have always used Zoom with JAWS and don't even know how well it works with NVDA.


moderated Webex

Phillip Gross
 

So I have used Zoom with jaws and am fairly proficient with it but I really haven't used Webex at all. My wife got a job with Cisco a few months ago and between the stories about lack of security on Zoom a few months ago and Cisco owning Webex I hear plenty of Zoom evil because she hears plenty of Webex perfect Zoom bad conversations and relays them to me.

Anyway we got to talking about and I really didn't know how accessible Webex was. I did a quick google search, when I did it i didn't have the time to dig deeply, and I found that while there was a little bit of information on Webex Teams there wasn't much on using Webex for meetings ETC. so I thought I would get the experiences on here and maybe see if she would try to pass them on. How accessible is Webex? What problems do you have with it, what do you like about it, what changes could you suggest, is there anything else I should know? Is there a list of jaws scripts that help when using Webex? I'll probably post the same question on the NVDA list although come to think about it I have always used Zoom with JAWS and don't even know how well it works with NVDA.


moderated Announcement Only: Groups.io Scheduled Outage Tonight

 
Edited

Groups.io will be down for maintenance this evening, Monday, August 3rd, starting at 11 PM Pacific Time, (6 AM Tuesday 8/4/2020 UTC), for up to two hours.

Which means that nothing will be showing up new during that time, and any messages sent will remain in the send queue on the Groups.io servers until the maintenance is over.

Just thought you all might like to know, and I saw nothing in my own traffic for owners about this, just a notice posted on the web interface.  If the forum owner wants to immediately lock this topic, be my guest.  I just didn't want folks to think that if they're not seeing anything for several hours that anything was wrong.

Also, sorry for the duplicate, as I accidentally hit "Send" before finishing the last sentence above.
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moderated Re: PictureSmart Being Blocked By Corporate Firewall

 

On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 02:04 PM, Van Lant, Robin wrote:
I don’t have admin privileges to make some setting change for it to fully install.
-
Another battle I've had to engage in for multiple users of assistive technology (AT) of all sorts.  AT tends to need to update on a relatively frequent basis, and will most often do so on its own, but that feature is useless if the end-user cannot rely on it.

On some occasions, I have managed to get IT to create a special admin account where the login to same is tracked that allows the user to do the update when it comes along, and on others have made the IT department have a "drop everything now" policy (informal, of course) where the user could call with regard to an AT update and it would go to the top of the list.  These things are generally so quick and easy that if IT will not change its formal policies they are often willing to be a lot more flexible about providing direct service when needed.  It's not like it's every other day, either, but updates to AT usually aren't "purely decorative" in nature.

And the excuse, "Well, you could do your job before without {insert new feature that would make you so much faster and more efficient}," generally doesn't fly if your boss and, if needed, HR are behind you.   Reasonable accommodations are just that, and when a technology pops up that makes work life "more reasonable" and poses no credible security threat or other impediment (e.g., lack of HIPAA compliance), at least here in the USA providing same is legally obligatory.
 
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