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Re: edge and default search engine
On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 11:24 PM, Deb and the girls wrote:
I have 32 bit not 64 on this laptop. Does that make any difference?- I would think not, but I do not have a Windows 10 32-bit machine on which to test. The main issue is whether you've had original/old Edge replaced by new Edge or not, whether that happened via Windows Update or choosing to update it manually from the Microsoft Edge Download Page. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
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Re: edge and default search engine
Deb and the girls
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2020 7:34 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: edge and default search engine
Presuming you mean in New Edge, the Chromium-based one, and you can determine that's what you're using by hitting ALT+F, and if the menu opens you are. If it doesn't, and you hit ALT+X, that's the Old Edge which should be ditched at this point. Changing the Search Engine in Chromium-based Edge Browser
What follows presumes you have Edge open and have focus on that window:
1. Hit ALT,Down Arrow or ALT+F to throw focus to the Edge Menu button and expand the menu itself.
2. Follow that with S for settings. This will open a tab showing the following address: edge://settings/profiles This is the Edge Settings page. One could also just open a tab and paste in the address above, but it's better to know how to get there via the menu button.
3. Tab once to land on the Profiles item in the Settings tree. Down arrow once to get to the Privacy and Services item, then hit Enter to get that pane to load.
4. Hit Tab to throw focus into the pane. Hit CTRL+F to bring up Find, then enter Address as your search term. Hit Enter to run that Find.
5. The Address Bar entry text will be found. Hit escape to close the search, then Hit Tab once to land on the actual button for same and activate it.
6. You're now in the Address bar settings, and there are three controls there, the titles of which are pretty self explanatory. To set your default search engine in the address bar, use the setting for that. To change your default search engine for the browser, go to the last option, Manage search engines, then:
a) Tab once to land in the search box. b) Start typing the name of the search engine you wish to use. If it's one of "the big ones" like Google, Bing, Yahoo, DuckDuckGo, etc., it will very likely be the only search result returned, but sometimes it isn't. c) Hit TAB three times. If your preferred search engine is what you've landed on move to step 7, if it isn't, then down arrow through the results until you land on the search engine you want.
7. Right arrow three times to land on the "More Actions" button for that search engine and activate it.
8. This will bring up a pop-up menu, with "Make default" being the first item. Since that's what you're trying to do, activate that option.
You're done. You can close the seI have 32 bit not 64 on this laptop. Does that make any difference?ttings tab. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
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Re: edge and default search engine
Presuming you mean in New Edge, the Chromium-based one, and you can determine that's what you're using by hitting ALT+F, and if the menu opens you are. If it doesn't, and you hit ALT+X, that's the Old Edge which should be ditched at this point.
------------------------------------------------- Changing the Search Engine in Chromium-based Edge Browser
What follows presumes you have Edge open and have focus on that window:
1. Hit ALT,Down Arrow or ALT+F to throw focus to the Edge Menu button and expand the menu itself.
2. Follow that with S for settings. This will open a tab showing the following address: edge://settings/profiles
This is the Edge Settings page. One could also just open a tab and paste in the address above, but it's better to know how to get there via the menu button.
3. Tab once to land on the Profiles item in the Settings tree. Down arrow once to get to the Privacy and Services item, then hit Enter to get that pane to load.
4. Hit Tab to throw focus into the pane. Hit CTRL+F to bring up Find, then enter Address as your search term. Hit Enter to run that Find.
5. The Address Bar entry text will be found. Hit escape to close the search, then Hit Tab once to land on the actual button for same and activate it.
6. You're now in the Address bar settings, and there are three controls there, the titles of which are pretty self explanatory. To set your default search engine in the address bar, use the setting for that. To change your default search engine for the browser, go to the last option, Manage search engines, then:
a) Tab once to land in the search box.
b) Start typing the name of the search engine you wish to use. If it's one of "the big ones" like Google, Bing, Yahoo, DuckDuckGo, etc., it will very likely be the only search result returned, but sometimes it isn't.
c) Hit TAB three times. If your preferred search engine is what you've landed on move to step 7, if it isn't, then down arrow through the results until you land on the search engine you want.
7. Right arrow three times to land on the "More Actions" button for that search engine and activate it.
8. This will bring up a pop-up menu, with "Make default" being the first item. Since that's what you're trying to do, activate that option.
You're done. You can close the settings tab.
-- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
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edge and default search engine
T. Civitello
Has anyone worked out how to change the search engine in MS Edge? I tried
the below snippet from the Internet but couldn’t locate the links they were
describing. Tom
Changing Edge DSE
Steps
list of 5 items
• 1
Open Microsoft Edge.
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At the top right, click More actions (...) > Settings.
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On the left, click Privacy and Services. If you don’t find this, first
click the Menu (3 horizontal lines) at the top left.
• 4
Scroll to the bottom and click Address bar.
• 5
In the “Search engine used in the address bar” drop-down, select
Google.
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Re: PictureSmart Being Blocked By Corporate Firewall
Randy Barnett
Yes I would just talk to IT and freedom scientific I'm sure they do this all the time.
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On Aug 1, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mark Fisher <fishsilv@...> wrote:
Hi All. thanks for the various replies. I'm actually based in Western Australia - and do understand some of the privacy implicaitons fo GDPR etc - however I don't believe that will be an issue for me. So from what I here, only whitelisting all outgoing requests is the only answer. I'm assuming the technical people can trace those through the back end so we'll give that a go. Might need to flag that with FS - I would doubt I'm the only person who's come across this issue. Cheers and stay safe. -- Mark Fisher Principal - HR Systems Water Corporation
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Re: PictureSmart Being Blocked By Corporate Firewall
Mark Fisher
Hi All. thanks for the various replies. I'm actually based in Western Australia - and do understand some of the privacy implicaitons fo GDPR etc - however I don't believe that will be an issue for me. So from what I here, only whitelisting all outgoing requests is the only answer. I'm assuming the technical people can trace those through the back end so we'll give that a go. Might need to flag that with FS - I would doubt I'm the only person who's come across this issue.
Cheers and stay safe. -- Mark Fisher Principal - HR Systems Water Corporation
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Re: PictureSmart Being Blocked By Corporate Firewall
Abraham Sweiss
And then there is reality. If Freedom Scientific servers do not meet the requirements of gdPR, the California privacy LAWS, Hippa or what ever regulation the company has to comply with, with the risk of fines up to4% of revenue, what would it be cheaper to do. Find a reason to let go of the person demanding this specific accommodation or risk the fine.
I agree if this specific function of jaws is required to complete the day to day operations of the job the company should work with Freedom Scientific, but if you do not work with the employer and understand their point of view, then in the end things will not work out well for everyone.
And I suspect the first question from the employer will be that since picture smart is a relatively new function in jaws, how were you able to get your job done before this feature was added.
Now I do not want to seem argumentative and I am fortunate to work with a US company that has to comply with all the above regulations and I need to take a class once a year for several of the above regulations to ensure I understand the laws. And they are able to provide the needed accommodations. However if that company had to way the risks of their consumers privacy, which law do you think they will follow.
Thanks, Abraham
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2020 5:09 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: PictureSmart Being Blocked By Corporate Firewall
On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 04:56 PM, Abraham Sweiss wrote:
- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
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Re: question about edge and chrome and jaws
Dan Longmore
Yes, you can select a different search provider.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Deb and the girls
Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2020 5:32 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: question about edge and chrome and jaws
I have an old laptop with windows 7, jaws 2020, and have downloaded chrome and edge. I put edge as my homepage but am not keen about bing. Would it be possible to have edge as my homepage but get google to do the searching. If so, how would I accomplish that? Also, if not, is there anything else I can use and get rid of bing? Also, do I get rid of internet explorer or just leave it there? I do still use it for some things but find it is less and less responsive and useful with jaws.
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Re: question about edge and chrome and jaws
Milton Ota
Hi,
Are you able to update that computer running Windows 7 to Windows 10?
I don’t think Microsoft Edge will work on Windows 7 but I may be wrong.
You are not taking advantage of all that JAWS 2020 offers in in Windows 10 when you are only running Windows 7.
It may be time to invest in a new Windows 10 Computer.
Milton
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Deb and the girls
Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2020 4:32 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: question about edge and chrome and jaws
I have an old laptop with windows 7, jaws 2020, and have downloaded chrome and edge. I put edge as my homepage but am not keen about bing. Would it be possible to have edge as my homepage but get google to do the searching. If so, how would I accomplish that? Also, if not, is there anything else I can use and get rid of bing? Also, do I get rid of internet explorer or just leave it there? I do still use it for some things but find it is less and less responsive and useful with jaws.
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question about edge and chrome and jaws
Deb and the girls
I have an old laptop with windows 7, jaws 2020, and have downloaded chrome and edge. I put edge as my homepage but am not keen about bing. Would it be possible to have edge as my homepage but get google to do the searching. If so, how would I accomplish that? Also, if not, is there anything else I can use and get rid of bing? Also, do I get rid of internet explorer or just leave it there? I do still use it for some things but find it is less and less responsive and useful with jaws.
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Re: PictureSmart Being Blocked By Corporate Firewall
On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 04:56 PM, Abraham Sweiss wrote:
You need to take into consideration the GDP our rules, the California privacy laws, and what other regulations your company has to follow.- I need to take into consideration what I believe to be the presented scenario: A US company operating out of the US. The HR person, in consultation with legal, if needed, can decide what regulations must be followed. And if there are conflicts (and often there are) which regulation takes precedence. Having reasonable accommodations in order to perform one's job functions is a huge part of the Americans with Disabilities Act. But the one thing you don't do is just shrug and not pursue anything because, "that's just the way things are." The way things are is very often entirely accidental, and, if intentional, those intentions may need to be changed. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
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Re: PictureSmart Being Blocked By Corporate Firewall
Abraham Sweiss
You need to take into consideration the GDP our rules, the California privacy laws, and what other regulations your company has to follow. If freedom scientific does not comply with any of the above regulations, your companies security and legal teams will prevent you from using that particular function and jaws Thanks,abraham
On Aug 1, 2020, at 12:27 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
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Re: PictureSmart Being Blocked By Corporate Firewall
On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 11:55 AM, soner wrote:
What you need to do is to tell the relevant network guys to whitelist- And if they refuse, be prepared to get your boss involved first, then HR if needed. This is both an "ability to do my job" and an ADA issue. There is also no credible security risk from allowing JAWS the communication mechanisms it routinely uses. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
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Re: PictureSmart Being Blocked By Corporate Firewall
Richard Turner
I work fo the State of Oregon and have never run into this problem and their security is pretty darn tight.
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Hopefully the network admins where this person works will be open to white listing those ports. Richard "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of soner Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2020 8:56 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: PictureSmart Being Blocked By Corporate Firewall Jaws does not have proxy settings of course, at least as of the moment. What you need to do is to tell the relevant network guys to whitelist all the outgoing connection requests from Jaws on corporate firewall, there is no other way. On 8/1/20, JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote: JAWS has proxy settings?
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Re: PictureSmart Being Blocked By Corporate Firewall
soner
Jaws does not have proxy settings of course, at least as of the moment.
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What you need to do is to tell the relevant network guys to whitelist all the outgoing connection requests from Jaws on corporate firewall, there is no other way.
On 8/1/20, JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:
JAWS has proxy settings?
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Re: how to get jaws to read image src.
Richard Turner
Yes, Write to Eric Damery, edamery@...
and ask him when a trial is not a trial.
I agree, it is silly to offer a trial without all functions being available.
Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting
grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert
On Aug 1, 2020, at 1:09 AM, Patrick Murphy <murphy.patrick42@...> wrote:
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Re: how to get jaws to read image src.
Patrick Murphy
Hi Richard,
Thanks so much for the info.
I tried this, and jaws tells me that picture smart is not available in trial versions. I have jaws 2020, latest version. There does not seem to be any mention on freedom scientific’s web site about why this would not be available. Surely, the point of a trial, is to try out all the functions!!!
Any ideas?
Regards,
Pat
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday 31 July 2020 21:16 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: how to get jaws to read image src.
It is a layered keystroke. Insert+spacebar, then p. Here are the helps if you do insert+p then question mark. The following commands are available in the Picture Smart layer. Acquire and describe an image from a Scanner or Freedom Scientific Camera such as PEARL, using the letter A. From Windows Explorer, you can describe any image file using the letter F. From the computer screen or application, you can describe a Control with the letter C. An image on the clipboard can be described using the letter B. An image can be described by saving it to the "PictureSmart" directory in your User's "Pictures" folder
Richard "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
No, can you tell me where this is?
pat
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Have you tried using the Picture Smart to read the screen with Jaws 2020?
Richard "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Hi,
This goes back to something i posted here before. I have a buffalo link station ls440 nas device. Whenever you need to shut it down, you are asked for a 4 digit number. This is displayed on the screen as four images. However, the alt attribute for each of these numbers is “number_1” “number_2” etc. This alt attribute is assigned when the confirmation number is asked for. So, if you try to shut it down you could get a number like 1234. The next time it could be 4321. However, the alt attribute always remains at “number_1” “number_2” etc. Therefore, you don’t know what number is actually displayed. Tried custom label, graphics labeller, hight and width of graphics, show hide tagged etc. Nothing works. However, by examining the element in my browser, i have determined, that the actual image file is the actual number. e.g. if the first number being displayed on screen is the number 6: the img tag will be: <img alt=”number_1” src=”num6.jpg”> So, if i could force jaws to read the actual name of the file, it would indicate to me what the four numbers actually are. I have tried every setting i can find both in the default application settings and the browser specific settings in relation to graphics. Nothing works!! This is the same for jaws 2018 and 2020. Jaws has a scripting language. Has anyone ever used this to force something? I have programming experience, but i haven’t had the need to script anything for jaws yet. Any help would be greatly appreciated. What i cannot understand, is why jaws wont assign a custom label to it. Afterall, its just an image tag!!
pat
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Re: Downloading Jaws
Dan Longmore
Hi, Unless something has changed in last week or so I only get one screen with warning in Chrome. Warning tells me site may not be secure. Then I can either click “Install Anyway” or go to “Microsoft store”. If I choose the install anyway all is well.
Dan
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 6:27 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Downloading Jaws
In Edge and I think Chrome with most if not all executable files you are being blocked from completing a download unless you tab around to the Keep button in the download bar alongside the warning that this type of file can harm your computer. It used to be enough that you hit the keep button and then the keep anyway button after the further warning message. Now annoyingly on my version of Edge anyway you now have to complete 3 steps. First of all hit the keep button. Then when the next message warning comes up hit the show more info button and finally hit the keep anyway button after yet another warning screen. . You may have to keep tabbing around to find these buttons. I suspect that Microsoft are doing this because they want to channel users to their Store app in the same way Apple does. I am going to go off to see if I can disable this level of nagging obstruction, making you hit a keep button after a warning is fair enough but 3 confirmations now is over the top. David G.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Les Kriegler
Hi All, I wished to download the latest version of Jaws2020 this morning using Chrome. It didn’t finish the download, and I saw a file starting with the word unconfirmed in my downloads folder. Eventually, I tried the same download with Microsoft Edge and was able to complete the download as expected. So I uninstalled and re-installed Chrome. I tried the download again using Chrome and could not complete the download. Any ideas as to why this is happening? Best Regards,
Les
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Re: PictureSmart Being Blocked By Corporate Firewall
JM Casey
JAWS has proxy settings? If so, I never knew I guess. It’s a good idea because yeah, I’m not surprised that people on corporate machines/networks would run into trouble. It must have had a special exception at my old workplace.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark Fisher
Sent: July 31, 2020 6:57 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: PictureSmart Being Blocked By Corporate Firewall
Hi
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