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moderated Re: Downloading Jaws

Dan Longmore
 

Hi,

  Unless something has changed in last week or so I only get one screen with warning in Chrome.  Warning tells me site may not be secure.  Then I can either click “Install Anyway” or go to “Microsoft store”.  If I choose the install anyway all is well.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 6:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Downloading Jaws

 

In Edge and I think Chrome with most if not all executable files you are being blocked from completing a download unless you tab around to the Keep button in the  download bar alongside the warning that this type of file can harm your computer.

It used to be enough that you hit the keep  button and then the keep anyway button after the further warning message.

Now annoyingly  on my version of Edge anyway you now have to complete 3 steps.

First of all hit the keep button.

Then when the next message warning comes up hit the show more info button and finally hit the keep anyway  button after yet another warning screen.

. You may have to keep tabbing around to find these buttons.

I suspect that Microsoft are doing this because they want to channel users to their Store app in the same way Apple does.

I am going to go off to see if I can disable this level of nagging obstruction, making you hit a keep button after a warning is fair enough but 3 confirmations now is over the top.

David G.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Les Kriegler
Sent: 29 July 2020 11:12
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Downloading Jaws

 

Hi All,

I wished to download the latest version of Jaws2020 this morning using Chrome. It didn’t finish the download, and I saw a file starting with the word unconfirmed in my downloads folder. Eventually, I tried the same download with Microsoft Edge and was able to complete the download as expected. So I uninstalled and re-installed Chrome. I tried the download again using Chrome and could not complete the download. Any ideas as to why this is happening?

Best Regards,

 

Les

 


moderated Re: PictureSmart Being Blocked By Corporate Firewall

JM Casey
 

JAWS has proxy settings?

If so, I never knew I guess. It’s a good idea because yeah, I’m not surprised that people on corporate machines/networks would run into trouble. It must have had a special exception at my old workplace.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark Fisher
Sent: July 31, 2020 6:57 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: PictureSmart Being Blocked By Corporate Firewall

 

Hi 
Trying to find the proxy settings in JAWS 2020 to allow PictureSmart, Automatic Updates and Research It to work through our corporate firewall. Any suggestions greatly appreciated - can't find anything in the documentation.

Cheers and stay safe.
--
Mark Fisher
Principal - HR Systems
Water Corporation


moderated PictureSmart Being Blocked By Corporate Firewall

Mark Fisher
 

Hi 
Trying to find the proxy settings in JAWS 2020 to allow PictureSmart, Automatic Updates and Research It to work through our corporate firewall. Any suggestions greatly appreciated - can't find anything in the documentation.

Cheers and stay safe.
--
Mark Fisher
Principal - HR Systems
Water Corporation


moderated Re: Downloading Jaws

David Griffith
 

In Edge and I think Chrome with most if not all executable files you are being blocked from completing a download unless you tab around to the Keep button in the  download bar alongside the warning that this type of file can harm your computer.

It used to be enough that you hit the keep  button and then the keep anyway button after the further warning message.

Now annoyingly  on my version of Edge anyway you now have to complete 3 steps.

First of all hit the keep button.

Then when the next message warning comes up hit the show more info button and finally hit the keep anyway  button after yet another warning screen.

. You may have to keep tabbing around to find these buttons.

I suspect that Microsoft are doing this because they want to channel users to their Store app in the same way Apple does.

I am going to go off to see if I can disable this level of nagging obstruction, making you hit a keep button after a warning is fair enough but 3 confirmations now is over the top.

David G.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Les Kriegler
Sent: 29 July 2020 11:12
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Downloading Jaws

 

Hi All,

I wished to download the latest version of Jaws2020 this morning using Chrome. It didn’t finish the download, and I saw a file starting with the word unconfirmed in my downloads folder. Eventually, I tried the same download with Microsoft Edge and was able to complete the download as expected. So I uninstalled and re-installed Chrome. I tried the download again using Chrome and could not complete the download. Any ideas as to why this is happening?

Best Regards,

 

Les

 


moderated Re: how to get jaws to read image src.

Richard Turner
 

It is a layered keystroke.

Insert+spacebar, then p.

Here are the helps if you do insert+p then question mark.

The following commands are available in the Picture Smart layer.

Acquire and describe an image from a Scanner or Freedom Scientific Camera such as PEARL, using the letter A.

From Windows Explorer, you can describe any image file using the letter F.

From the computer screen or application, you can describe a Control with the letter C.

An image on the clipboard can be described using the letter B.

An image can be described by saving it to the "PictureSmart" directory in your User's "Pictures" folder

 

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 8:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: how to get jaws to read image src.

 

No, can you tell me where this is?

 

pat

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday 31 July 2020 15:08
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: how to get jaws to read image src.

 

Have you tried using the Picture Smart to read the screen with Jaws 2020?

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 7:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: how to get jaws to read image src.

 

Hi,

 

This goes back to something i posted here before.

I have a buffalo link station ls440 nas device.

Whenever you need to shut it down, you are asked for a 4 digit number.

This is displayed on the screen as four images.

However, the alt attribute for each of these numbers is “number_1” “number_2” etc.

This alt attribute is assigned when the confirmation number is asked for.

So, if you try to shut it down you could get a number like 1234.

The next time it could be 4321.

However, the alt attribute always remains at “number_1” “number_2” etc.

Therefore, you don’t know what number is actually displayed.

Tried custom label, graphics labeller, hight and width of graphics, show hide tagged etc.

Nothing works.

However, by examining the element in my browser, i have determined, that the actual image file is the actual number.

e.g. if the first number being displayed on screen is the number 6:

the img tag will be:

<img alt=”number_1” src=”num6.jpg”>

So, if i could force jaws to read the actual name of the file, it would indicate to me what the four numbers actually are.

I have tried every setting i can find both in the default application settings and the browser specific settings in relation to graphics.

Nothing works!!

This is the same for jaws 2018 and 2020.

Jaws has a scripting language.

Has anyone ever used this to force something?

I have programming experience, but i haven’t had the need to script anything for jaws yet.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

What i cannot understand, is why jaws wont assign a custom label to it. Afterall, its just an image tag!!

 

pat

 


moderated Re: What is hCaptcha?

Brent Harding
 

Yes, I had to do that the other night to look at a site I was interested in. Even after you download the cookie, in Chrome, you have to at least whitelist their site because the security settings won't otherwise allow it to work. I do get their point that audio captchas still leave people out that can't hear or see, but having to save an email message around to get one of these whenever you encounter it is madness anyways.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James English
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 10:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What is hCaptcha?

Hi,

It's something cloudflare uses, and is horrible. You need to download something they call an 'accessibility cookie,' it's the most clunky workaround possible but they don't have an audio challenge.

On 7/31/20, kevin meyers <kman2020@...> wrote:


Hello,



I'm using the most recent version of windows10 and Jaws2020.



I went to the site checkpeople.com. At times after I enter my user id
and password I'm taken to what is called hCaptcha. There is an imiage
on this page I need to see what it is. Is this something Google Chrome
is now using?



Support at checkpeople.com didn't seem to know about

hCaptcha.



Thanks,



Kevin







moderated Re: What is hCaptcha?

Mario
 

to expand a bit, taken from:

https://www.cloudwards.net/what-is-cloudflare/

Cloudflare was created in 2009 by former members of
Project Honey Pot, a web-based, open source architecture that allows websites to collect information from IP addresses harvesting email addresses. Project Honey Pot was intended as a way to fight spam email and fraud.

In 2010, Project Honey Pot gave way to Cloudflare, and it was officially announced at the TechCrunch Disrupt conference that year. Cloudflare was born out of the desire to not only track the malicious behavior of
cybercrime — as is the case with the Project Honey Pot network — but to stop or prevent it altogether.
Its vision was to secure websites against threats, but to do so without adding undo latency. As such, it began experimenting with ways to lower latency in its system by adding advanced caching processes and removing bad traffic, such as bots, from customers’ websites. You can learn more about the dangers of bots in our
what is a botnet guide.

That gave way to Cloudflare’s vision of building a better internet. It started to offer CDN services, its proprietary Railgun network optimizer and more products aimed at security, reducing page loading times and enhancing user experience.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Brian Vogel [mailto:@britechguy]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Friday, July 31, 2020, 12:25 PM
Subject: What is hCaptcha?
Cloudflare is a web hosting service, and a big one.

They are not the only entity using hCaptcha, as I have run into it
elsewhere.  The next time I hit one I'll have to pay careful attention
with regard to what the accessibility option(s) are related to it.

--

Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

/The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it./
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: What is hCaptcha?

 

Cloudflare is a web hosting service, and a big one.

They are not the only entity using hCaptcha, as I have run into it elsewhere.  The next time I hit one I'll have to pay careful attention with regard to what the accessibility option(s) are related to it.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: What is hCaptcha?

kevin meyers
 

What is cloudflare? I never used it. Is there something I did to cause this to happen? Does anyone run into the same problem?

Thanks,

Kevin

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James English
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 10:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What is hCaptcha?

Hi,

It's something cloudflare uses, and is horrible. You need to download something they call an 'accessibility cookie,' it's the most clunky workaround possible but they don't have an audio challenge.

On 7/31/20, kevin meyers <kman2020@...> wrote:


Hello,



I'm using the most recent version of windows10 and Jaws2020.



I went to the site checkpeople.com. At times after I enter my user id
and password I'm taken to what is called hCaptcha. There is an imiage
on this page I need to see what it is. Is this something Google Chrome
is now using?



Support at checkpeople.com didn't seem to know about

hCaptcha.



Thanks,



Kevin







moderated Re: how to get jaws to read image src.

Patrick Murphy
 

No, can you tell me where this is?

 

pat

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday 31 July 2020 15:08
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: how to get jaws to read image src.

 

Have you tried using the Picture Smart to read the screen with Jaws 2020?

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 7:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: how to get jaws to read image src.

 

Hi,

 

This goes back to something i posted here before.

I have a buffalo link station ls440 nas device.

Whenever you need to shut it down, you are asked for a 4 digit number.

This is displayed on the screen as four images.

However, the alt attribute for each of these numbers is “number_1” “number_2” etc.

This alt attribute is assigned when the confirmation number is asked for.

So, if you try to shut it down you could get a number like 1234.

The next time it could be 4321.

However, the alt attribute always remains at “number_1” “number_2” etc.

Therefore, you don’t know what number is actually displayed.

Tried custom label, graphics labeller, hight and width of graphics, show hide tagged etc.

Nothing works.

However, by examining the element in my browser, i have determined, that the actual image file is the actual number.

e.g. if the first number being displayed on screen is the number 6:

the img tag will be:

<img alt=”number_1” src=”num6.jpg”>

So, if i could force jaws to read the actual name of the file, it would indicate to me what the four numbers actually are.

I have tried every setting i can find both in the default application settings and the browser specific settings in relation to graphics.

Nothing works!!

This is the same for jaws 2018 and 2020.

Jaws has a scripting language.

Has anyone ever used this to force something?

I have programming experience, but i haven’t had the need to script anything for jaws yet.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

What i cannot understand, is why jaws wont assign a custom label to it. Afterall, its just an image tag!!

 

pat

 


moderated Re: What is hCaptcha?

James English
 

Hi,

It's something cloudflare uses, and is horrible. You need to download
something they call an 'accessibility cookie,' it's the most clunky
workaround possible but they don't have an audio challenge.

On 7/31/20, kevin meyers <kman2020@...> wrote:


Hello,



I'm using the most recent version of windows10 and Jaws2020.



I went to the site checkpeople.com. At times after I enter my user id and
password I'm taken to what is called hCaptcha. There is an imiage on this
page I need to see what it is. Is this something Google Chrome is now
using?



Support at checkpeople.com didn't seem to know about

hCaptcha.



Thanks,



Kevin







moderated What is hCaptcha?

kevin meyers
 

 

Hello,

 

I’m using the most recent version of windows10 and Jaws2020.

 

I went to the site checkpeople.com. At times  after I enter my user id and password I’m taken to what is called hCaptcha. There is an imiage on this page I need to see what it is. Is this something Google Chrome is now using?

 

Support at checkpeople.com didn’t seem to know about

hCaptcha.

 

Thanks,

 

Kevin

 


moderated Re: Zoom meeting question

Jed Barton
 

Ah, so the same link will work, that's awesome.

On 7/31/20, Sharon S <koala@...> wrote:
Hi, this is what we did with a meeting last night. When we got cut off, we
waited a minute or so for the host to get back on then we used the same
link
to go again.

I'm not sure if there is a limit to how long that one link will last but if
it is within the same day you shouldn't have any issues.

From Shaz.
Canberra, Australia.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Friday, 31 July 2020 8:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Zoom meeting question

When the 40 minutes is up, the meeting will disconnect. Just redo the
original link and you're back in business.
At 01:38 PM 7/30/2020, you wrote:
Hey guys,

So here's a question. With the free zoom plan, i know they limit you
to a 40 minute meeting. Can you keep using that same link once the
meeting expires, and just start over, or do you have to create a new
meeting.
I've got some stuff that i need to have some meetings for, and was just
curious about this.

Cheers,

Jed








moderated Re: how to get jaws to read image src.

Richard Turner
 

Have you tried using the Picture Smart to read the screen with Jaws 2020?

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 7:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: how to get jaws to read image src.

 

Hi,

 

This goes back to something i posted here before.

I have a buffalo link station ls440 nas device.

Whenever you need to shut it down, you are asked for a 4 digit number.

This is displayed on the screen as four images.

However, the alt attribute for each of these numbers is “number_1” “number_2” etc.

This alt attribute is assigned when the confirmation number is asked for.

So, if you try to shut it down you could get a number like 1234.

The next time it could be 4321.

However, the alt attribute always remains at “number_1” “number_2” etc.

Therefore, you don’t know what number is actually displayed.

Tried custom label, graphics labeller, hight and width of graphics, show hide tagged etc.

Nothing works.

However, by examining the element in my browser, i have determined, that the actual image file is the actual number.

e.g. if the first number being displayed on screen is the number 6:

the img tag will be:

<img alt=”number_1” src=”num6.jpg”>

So, if i could force jaws to read the actual name of the file, it would indicate to me what the four numbers actually are.

I have tried every setting i can find both in the default application settings and the browser specific settings in relation to graphics.

Nothing works!!

This is the same for jaws 2018 and 2020.

Jaws has a scripting language.

Has anyone ever used this to force something?

I have programming experience, but i haven’t had the need to script anything for jaws yet.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

What i cannot understand, is why jaws wont assign a custom label to it. Afterall, its just an image tag!!

 

pat

 


moderated how to get jaws to read image src.

Patrick Murphy
 

Hi,

 

This goes back to something i posted here before.

I have a buffalo link station ls440 nas device.

Whenever you need to shut it down, you are asked for a 4 digit number.

This is displayed on the screen as four images.

However, the alt attribute for each of these numbers is “number_1” “number_2” etc.

This alt attribute is assigned when the confirmation number is asked for.

So, if you try to shut it down you could get a number like 1234.

The next time it could be 4321.

However, the alt attribute always remains at “number_1” “number_2” etc.

Therefore, you don’t know what number is actually displayed.

Tried custom label, graphics labeller, hight and width of graphics, show hide tagged etc.

Nothing works.

However, by examining the element in my browser, i have determined, that the actual image file is the actual number.

e.g. if the first number being displayed on screen is the number 6:

the img tag will be:

<img alt=”number_1” src=”num6.jpg”>

So, if i could force jaws to read the actual name of the file, it would indicate to me what the four numbers actually are.

I have tried every setting i can find both in the default application settings and the browser specific settings in relation to graphics.

Nothing works!!

This is the same for jaws 2018 and 2020.

Jaws has a scripting language.

Has anyone ever used this to force something?

I have programming experience, but i haven’t had the need to script anything for jaws yet.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

What i cannot understand, is why jaws wont assign a custom label to it. Afterall, its just an image tag!!

 

pat

 


moderated Re: Using JAWS to Send Private Message during Zoom Meeting

Cynthia Bruce
 

My understanding is that if you save the meeting chat, the host can see everything including private messages. As host, I have never seen messages between attendees when they happen.

 

Cynthia

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 9:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using JAWS to Send Private Message during Zoom Meeting

 

All or one of you could correct me but, sending messages of any kind during a zoom meeting, cannot the host see it? Example if 2 of the participants are making fun of the host via text messages, cannot he or she see it.  Not that I’d do it.  However, a person who frequently hosts zoom meetings told me that the host can see or in this case, hear, any texts that are being sent.   


moderated Re: Zoom meeting question

Sharon S
 

Hi, this is what we did with a meeting last night. When we got cut off, we
waited a minute or so for the host to get back on then we used the same link
to go again.

I'm not sure if there is a limit to how long that one link will last but if
it is within the same day you shouldn't have any issues.

From Shaz.
Canberra, Australia.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Friday, 31 July 2020 8:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Zoom meeting question

When the 40 minutes is up, the meeting will disconnect. Just redo the
original link and you're back in business.
At 01:38 PM 7/30/2020, you wrote:
Hey guys,

So here's a question. With the free zoom plan, i know they limit you
to a 40 minute meeting. Can you keep using that same link once the
meeting expires, and just start over, or do you have to create a new
meeting.
I've got some stuff that i need to have some meetings for, and was just
curious about this.

Cheers,

Jed


moderated Re: Downloading Jaws

Les Kriegler
 

Hi Mike,

Thanks so much. I’ll take a look and change as appropriate.

Best,

 

Les

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 5:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Downloading Jaws

 

Hi Les,

 

You could check your Security settings, but no matter which setting I used to download the Jaws file I didn't get any of my downloads blocked.  When you get a blocked download I believe that if you tab you'll find a More actions option that can be opened and I believe you'll have an option that you can press enter on to download anyways if for any download that Chrome is identifying as possibly being bad.  Below are steps to check your download and other security settings.

 

Open Chrome and press, Alt + F, to open the menu and up arrow to Settings and press enter.

 

Down arrow to, Privacy and Security, press enter.

 

Tab to, Security link, press enter.

 

Tab to a group of 3 radio buttons, it's about 3 tabs after pressing enter on, Security link.  These 3 radio buttons are, 1. Enhanced, 2. Standard and 3. No protection.
As you up / down arrow on these 3 radio button Jaws will read you a description of each of them.  These are your protection settings for downloads and much more.

 

If you change a setting it takes place immediately, but personally I would close and restart Chrome to make sure.

 

 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 3:12 AM

Subject: Downloading Jaws

 

Hi All,

I wished to download the latest version of Jaws2020 this morning using Chrome. It didn’t finish the download, and I saw a file starting with the word unconfirmed in my downloads folder. Eventually, I tried the same download with Microsoft Edge and was able to complete the download as expected. So I uninstalled and re-installed Chrome. I tried the download again using Chrome and could not complete the download. Any ideas as to why this is happening?

Best Regards,

 

Les


moderated Re: Using JAWS to Send Private Message during Zoom Meeting

David Diamond
 

All or one of you could correct me but, sending messages of any kind during a zoom meeting, cannot the host see it? Example if 2 of the participants are making fun of the host via text messages, cannot he or she see it.  Not that I’d do it.  However, a person who frequently hosts zoom meetings told me that the host can see or in this case, hear, any texts that are being sent.   


moderated Re: Odd new behavior with selectable controls on Web pages

Chris Hill
 

No, not having that trouble here, I just checked with both browsers.


Btw: those having trouble with tabs crashing with jaws running in Firefox 78 will be happier with 79.

On 7/30/2020 17:41, Steve Matzura wrote:
I haven't yet figured out whether this is a JAWS problem or a browser problem, but it happens in both Firefox version 79.0 and Chrome version 84.4147.105, both the latest version for each browser. If I open a combo box or radio button to select something, I can't close it and move to the next control. I've noticed this happens on Amazon and groups.io. Has anyone else noticed this, and if so, what's the workaround or fix?


Thanks in advance.