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moderated Re: What is hCaptcha?

Mario
 

to expand a bit, taken from:

https://www.cloudwards.net/what-is-cloudflare/

Cloudflare was created in 2009 by former members of
Project Honey Pot, a web-based, open source architecture that allows websites to collect information from IP addresses harvesting email addresses. Project Honey Pot was intended as a way to fight spam email and fraud.

In 2010, Project Honey Pot gave way to Cloudflare, and it was officially announced at the TechCrunch Disrupt conference that year. Cloudflare was born out of the desire to not only track the malicious behavior of
cybercrime — as is the case with the Project Honey Pot network — but to stop or prevent it altogether.
Its vision was to secure websites against threats, but to do so without adding undo latency. As such, it began experimenting with ways to lower latency in its system by adding advanced caching processes and removing bad traffic, such as bots, from customers’ websites. You can learn more about the dangers of bots in our
what is a botnet guide.

That gave way to Cloudflare’s vision of building a better internet. It started to offer CDN services, its proprietary Railgun network optimizer and more products aimed at security, reducing page loading times and enhancing user experience.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Brian Vogel [mailto:@britechguy]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Friday, July 31, 2020, 12:25 PM
Subject: What is hCaptcha?
Cloudflare is a web hosting service, and a big one.

They are not the only entity using hCaptcha, as I have run into it
elsewhere.  The next time I hit one I'll have to pay careful attention
with regard to what the accessibility option(s) are related to it.

--

Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

/The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it./
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: What is hCaptcha?

 

Cloudflare is a web hosting service, and a big one.

They are not the only entity using hCaptcha, as I have run into it elsewhere.  The next time I hit one I'll have to pay careful attention with regard to what the accessibility option(s) are related to it.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: What is hCaptcha?

kevin meyers
 

What is cloudflare? I never used it. Is there something I did to cause this to happen? Does anyone run into the same problem?

Thanks,

Kevin

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James English
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 10:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What is hCaptcha?

Hi,

It's something cloudflare uses, and is horrible. You need to download something they call an 'accessibility cookie,' it's the most clunky workaround possible but they don't have an audio challenge.

On 7/31/20, kevin meyers <kman2020@...> wrote:


Hello,



I'm using the most recent version of windows10 and Jaws2020.



I went to the site checkpeople.com. At times after I enter my user id
and password I'm taken to what is called hCaptcha. There is an imiage
on this page I need to see what it is. Is this something Google Chrome
is now using?



Support at checkpeople.com didn't seem to know about

hCaptcha.



Thanks,



Kevin







moderated Re: how to get jaws to read image src.

Patrick Murphy
 

No, can you tell me where this is?

 

pat

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday 31 July 2020 15:08
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: how to get jaws to read image src.

 

Have you tried using the Picture Smart to read the screen with Jaws 2020?

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 7:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: how to get jaws to read image src.

 

Hi,

 

This goes back to something i posted here before.

I have a buffalo link station ls440 nas device.

Whenever you need to shut it down, you are asked for a 4 digit number.

This is displayed on the screen as four images.

However, the alt attribute for each of these numbers is “number_1” “number_2” etc.

This alt attribute is assigned when the confirmation number is asked for.

So, if you try to shut it down you could get a number like 1234.

The next time it could be 4321.

However, the alt attribute always remains at “number_1” “number_2” etc.

Therefore, you don’t know what number is actually displayed.

Tried custom label, graphics labeller, hight and width of graphics, show hide tagged etc.

Nothing works.

However, by examining the element in my browser, i have determined, that the actual image file is the actual number.

e.g. if the first number being displayed on screen is the number 6:

the img tag will be:

<img alt=”number_1” src=”num6.jpg”>

So, if i could force jaws to read the actual name of the file, it would indicate to me what the four numbers actually are.

I have tried every setting i can find both in the default application settings and the browser specific settings in relation to graphics.

Nothing works!!

This is the same for jaws 2018 and 2020.

Jaws has a scripting language.

Has anyone ever used this to force something?

I have programming experience, but i haven’t had the need to script anything for jaws yet.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

What i cannot understand, is why jaws wont assign a custom label to it. Afterall, its just an image tag!!

 

pat

 


moderated Re: What is hCaptcha?

James English
 

Hi,

It's something cloudflare uses, and is horrible. You need to download
something they call an 'accessibility cookie,' it's the most clunky
workaround possible but they don't have an audio challenge.

On 7/31/20, kevin meyers <kman2020@...> wrote:


Hello,



I'm using the most recent version of windows10 and Jaws2020.



I went to the site checkpeople.com. At times after I enter my user id and
password I'm taken to what is called hCaptcha. There is an imiage on this
page I need to see what it is. Is this something Google Chrome is now
using?



Support at checkpeople.com didn't seem to know about

hCaptcha.



Thanks,



Kevin







moderated What is hCaptcha?

kevin meyers
 

 

Hello,

 

I’m using the most recent version of windows10 and Jaws2020.

 

I went to the site checkpeople.com. At times  after I enter my user id and password I’m taken to what is called hCaptcha. There is an imiage on this page I need to see what it is. Is this something Google Chrome is now using?

 

Support at checkpeople.com didn’t seem to know about

hCaptcha.

 

Thanks,

 

Kevin

 


moderated Re: Zoom meeting question

Jed Barton
 

Ah, so the same link will work, that's awesome.

On 7/31/20, Sharon S <koala@...> wrote:
Hi, this is what we did with a meeting last night. When we got cut off, we
waited a minute or so for the host to get back on then we used the same
link
to go again.

I'm not sure if there is a limit to how long that one link will last but if
it is within the same day you shouldn't have any issues.

From Shaz.
Canberra, Australia.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Friday, 31 July 2020 8:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Zoom meeting question

When the 40 minutes is up, the meeting will disconnect. Just redo the
original link and you're back in business.
At 01:38 PM 7/30/2020, you wrote:
Hey guys,

So here's a question. With the free zoom plan, i know they limit you
to a 40 minute meeting. Can you keep using that same link once the
meeting expires, and just start over, or do you have to create a new
meeting.
I've got some stuff that i need to have some meetings for, and was just
curious about this.

Cheers,

Jed








moderated Re: how to get jaws to read image src.

Richard Turner
 

Have you tried using the Picture Smart to read the screen with Jaws 2020?

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 7:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: how to get jaws to read image src.

 

Hi,

 

This goes back to something i posted here before.

I have a buffalo link station ls440 nas device.

Whenever you need to shut it down, you are asked for a 4 digit number.

This is displayed on the screen as four images.

However, the alt attribute for each of these numbers is “number_1” “number_2” etc.

This alt attribute is assigned when the confirmation number is asked for.

So, if you try to shut it down you could get a number like 1234.

The next time it could be 4321.

However, the alt attribute always remains at “number_1” “number_2” etc.

Therefore, you don’t know what number is actually displayed.

Tried custom label, graphics labeller, hight and width of graphics, show hide tagged etc.

Nothing works.

However, by examining the element in my browser, i have determined, that the actual image file is the actual number.

e.g. if the first number being displayed on screen is the number 6:

the img tag will be:

<img alt=”number_1” src=”num6.jpg”>

So, if i could force jaws to read the actual name of the file, it would indicate to me what the four numbers actually are.

I have tried every setting i can find both in the default application settings and the browser specific settings in relation to graphics.

Nothing works!!

This is the same for jaws 2018 and 2020.

Jaws has a scripting language.

Has anyone ever used this to force something?

I have programming experience, but i haven’t had the need to script anything for jaws yet.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

What i cannot understand, is why jaws wont assign a custom label to it. Afterall, its just an image tag!!

 

pat

 


moderated how to get jaws to read image src.

Patrick Murphy
 

Hi,

 

This goes back to something i posted here before.

I have a buffalo link station ls440 nas device.

Whenever you need to shut it down, you are asked for a 4 digit number.

This is displayed on the screen as four images.

However, the alt attribute for each of these numbers is “number_1” “number_2” etc.

This alt attribute is assigned when the confirmation number is asked for.

So, if you try to shut it down you could get a number like 1234.

The next time it could be 4321.

However, the alt attribute always remains at “number_1” “number_2” etc.

Therefore, you don’t know what number is actually displayed.

Tried custom label, graphics labeller, hight and width of graphics, show hide tagged etc.

Nothing works.

However, by examining the element in my browser, i have determined, that the actual image file is the actual number.

e.g. if the first number being displayed on screen is the number 6:

the img tag will be:

<img alt=”number_1” src=”num6.jpg”>

So, if i could force jaws to read the actual name of the file, it would indicate to me what the four numbers actually are.

I have tried every setting i can find both in the default application settings and the browser specific settings in relation to graphics.

Nothing works!!

This is the same for jaws 2018 and 2020.

Jaws has a scripting language.

Has anyone ever used this to force something?

I have programming experience, but i haven’t had the need to script anything for jaws yet.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

What i cannot understand, is why jaws wont assign a custom label to it. Afterall, its just an image tag!!

 

pat

 


moderated Re: Using JAWS to Send Private Message during Zoom Meeting

Cynthia Bruce
 

My understanding is that if you save the meeting chat, the host can see everything including private messages. As host, I have never seen messages between attendees when they happen.

 

Cynthia

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 9:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using JAWS to Send Private Message during Zoom Meeting

 

All or one of you could correct me but, sending messages of any kind during a zoom meeting, cannot the host see it? Example if 2 of the participants are making fun of the host via text messages, cannot he or she see it.  Not that I’d do it.  However, a person who frequently hosts zoom meetings told me that the host can see or in this case, hear, any texts that are being sent.   


moderated Re: Zoom meeting question

Sharon S
 

Hi, this is what we did with a meeting last night. When we got cut off, we
waited a minute or so for the host to get back on then we used the same link
to go again.

I'm not sure if there is a limit to how long that one link will last but if
it is within the same day you shouldn't have any issues.

From Shaz.
Canberra, Australia.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Friday, 31 July 2020 8:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Zoom meeting question

When the 40 minutes is up, the meeting will disconnect. Just redo the
original link and you're back in business.
At 01:38 PM 7/30/2020, you wrote:
Hey guys,

So here's a question. With the free zoom plan, i know they limit you
to a 40 minute meeting. Can you keep using that same link once the
meeting expires, and just start over, or do you have to create a new
meeting.
I've got some stuff that i need to have some meetings for, and was just
curious about this.

Cheers,

Jed


moderated Re: Downloading Jaws

Les Kriegler
 

Hi Mike,

Thanks so much. I’ll take a look and change as appropriate.

Best,

 

Les

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 5:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Downloading Jaws

 

Hi Les,

 

You could check your Security settings, but no matter which setting I used to download the Jaws file I didn't get any of my downloads blocked.  When you get a blocked download I believe that if you tab you'll find a More actions option that can be opened and I believe you'll have an option that you can press enter on to download anyways if for any download that Chrome is identifying as possibly being bad.  Below are steps to check your download and other security settings.

 

Open Chrome and press, Alt + F, to open the menu and up arrow to Settings and press enter.

 

Down arrow to, Privacy and Security, press enter.

 

Tab to, Security link, press enter.

 

Tab to a group of 3 radio buttons, it's about 3 tabs after pressing enter on, Security link.  These 3 radio buttons are, 1. Enhanced, 2. Standard and 3. No protection.
As you up / down arrow on these 3 radio button Jaws will read you a description of each of them.  These are your protection settings for downloads and much more.

 

If you change a setting it takes place immediately, but personally I would close and restart Chrome to make sure.

 

 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 3:12 AM

Subject: Downloading Jaws

 

Hi All,

I wished to download the latest version of Jaws2020 this morning using Chrome. It didn’t finish the download, and I saw a file starting with the word unconfirmed in my downloads folder. Eventually, I tried the same download with Microsoft Edge and was able to complete the download as expected. So I uninstalled and re-installed Chrome. I tried the download again using Chrome and could not complete the download. Any ideas as to why this is happening?

Best Regards,

 

Les


moderated Re: Using JAWS to Send Private Message during Zoom Meeting

David Diamond
 

All or one of you could correct me but, sending messages of any kind during a zoom meeting, cannot the host see it? Example if 2 of the participants are making fun of the host via text messages, cannot he or she see it.  Not that I’d do it.  However, a person who frequently hosts zoom meetings told me that the host can see or in this case, hear, any texts that are being sent.   


moderated Re: Odd new behavior with selectable controls on Web pages

Chris Hill
 

No, not having that trouble here, I just checked with both browsers.


Btw: those having trouble with tabs crashing with jaws running in Firefox 78 will be happier with 79.

On 7/30/2020 17:41, Steve Matzura wrote:
I haven't yet figured out whether this is a JAWS problem or a browser problem, but it happens in both Firefox version 79.0 and Chrome version 84.4147.105, both the latest version for each browser. If I open a combo box or radio button to select something, I can't close it and move to the next control. I've noticed this happens on Amazon and groups.io. Has anyone else noticed this, and if so, what's the workaround or fix?


Thanks in advance.



moderated Odd new behavior with selectable controls on Web pages

Steve Matzura
 

I haven't yet figured out whether this is a JAWS problem or a browser problem, but it happens in both Firefox version 79.0 and Chrome version 84.4147.105, both the latest version for each browser. If I open a combo box or radio button to select something, I can't close it and move to the next control. I've noticed this happens on Amazon and groups.io. Has anyone else noticed this, and if so, what's the workaround or fix?


Thanks in advance.


moderated Re: Zoom meeting question

Ann Byrne
 

When the 40 minutes is up, the meeting will disconnect. Just redo the original link and you're back in business.

At 01:38 PM 7/30/2020, you wrote:
Hey guys,

So here's a question. With the free zoom plan, i know they limit you
to a 40 minute meeting. Can you keep using that same link once the
meeting expires, and just start over, or do you have to create a new
meeting.
I've got some stuff that i need to have some meetings for, and was
just curious about this.

Cheers,

Jed


moderated Re: Downloading Jaws

Mike B
 

Hi Les,
 
You could check your Security settings, but no matter which setting I used to download the Jaws file I didn't get any of my downloads blocked.  When you get a blocked download I believe that if you tab you'll find a More actions option that can be opened and I believe you'll have an option that you can press enter on to download anyways if for any download that Chrome is identifying as possibly being bad.  Below are steps to check your download and other security settings.
 
Open Chrome and press, Alt + F, to open the menu and up arrow to Settings and press enter.
 
Down arrow to, Privacy and Security, press enter.
 
Tab to, Security link, press enter.
 
Tab to a group of 3 radio buttons, it's about 3 tabs after pressing enter on, Security link.  These 3 radio buttons are, 1. Enhanced, 2. Standard and 3. No protection.
As you up / down arrow on these 3 radio button Jaws will read you a description of each of them.  These are your protection settings for downloads and much more.
 
If you change a setting it takes place immediately, but personally I would close and restart Chrome to make sure.
 
 
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 3:12 AM
Subject: Downloading Jaws

Hi All,

I wished to download the latest version of Jaws2020 this morning using Chrome. It didn’t finish the download, and I saw a file starting with the word unconfirmed in my downloads folder. Eventually, I tried the same download with Microsoft Edge and was able to complete the download as expected. So I uninstalled and re-installed Chrome. I tried the download again using Chrome and could not complete the download. Any ideas as to why this is happening?

Best Regards,

 

Les


moderated Re: android vs ios.

JM Casey
 

And in response to the response to this, which I already deleted – you don’t *have* to do either, which I think is the point (I use double tap, myself)

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: July 29, 2020 12:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: android vs ios.

 

Any OS is more intuitive to you if that’s the one you use.  iOS is less intuitive to me, and I like the fact that with Android, you can single tap, you don’t have to double or split tap.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: 27 June 2020 08:26
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: android vs ios.

 

I also think iOS is just more intuitive and even after all these years when both platforms have matured, iOS is in my view more polished and easier to use.

There is a load of material about iOS and iPhones out there, www.Applevis.com is just one example, Apple has an accessibility support line as well as email address and if you call their support and need help they can even connect to your phone and see what you are doing.

There are email lists for both Android and iOS, the Viphone list is one I have been on for the last 10 years or so since I started using an iPhone.

If you really want to use a keyboard you can actually get Apple's camera connection cable and use it to connect a USB keyboard, but in my opinion a Bluetooth keyboard makes much more sense with a mobile device and there are lots of great options out there from Logitech as well as others.

As for price any high-end Android phone nowadays costs just as much as the high-end iPhones, yes, you can probably pick up a cheap Android phone for $200 or so, but then again the new iPhone SE 2 which was recently released also is not that expensive and from all I heard on the Viphone list as well as in general it's fantastic phone.

I guess it all depends on what you plan to do with the phone, for me being able to transfer information from my PC to the phone by copying and pasting is not very important, I have an Apple Music subscription so I never store mucis on the device any more, I do just about all my audio book listening on Audible and the odd book I have in MP3 I can easily transfer to Voice Dream Reader via Dropbox.

I consider to be a pretty profficient user of my iPhone, but I absolutely don't believe in being able to replace a computer with my iPhone, I don't compose long texts on my phone, if I have to type a longer email or want to have an on-going text chat on Facebook Messenger, WhatsApp or other app I do use my Bluetooth keyboard. I have a Logitech K780 which I use via its USB dongle as my primary keyboard for my laptop and if I want to use it wih my iPhone all I have to do is press FN+F2 and it switches over, when I'm done I press F1 and I'm back on my PC.

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 11:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: android vs ios.

 

I have both, and in terms of ease of use with regard to the gestures, it is my opinion that the iPhone is much easier to operate.

On the other hand, with Android, I can have Eloquence for the voice, and I can simply copy and paste to and from my computer to the Android phone.

With Android, you can get a USB adapter and plug in a desktop keyboard or anything USB, you can't do that with IOS.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 1:23 AM

Subject: Re: android vs ios.

 

hi folks,

 

i know that this is not the forum for this question, but maybe one of you good people might have some ideas as to where i should go.

currently, i have an old nokia phone about 300 years of age.

i have decided to take the great leap into the unknown and start using a modern tap screen phone.

i have a samsung android phone with talkback on it, but it is proving to be somewhat of a trouble.

i would say, that it is just because i am new to it, but web sites offering training tips seem to be non existent.

also, the braille keyboard seems to be a bit of a pain. i also dont want to have to attach a keyboard to it, as this defeats the purpose of having a phone you can carry around with you.

on the other hand, i have heard, that apple's voice over is much better.

again, training seems to be the problem. i should be able to get my hands on an ifone.

any thoughts?

anyone prefer one over the other?

cheers,

pat

 


moderated Re: dictation software

Dan Longmore
 

Hi,

I like the built in Speech Dictation in Windows 10.  Like the Word “Dictate” add in it is just a basic program but responds well and is pretty accurate.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Rinehart
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 1:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: dictation software

 

Hello everyone,

 

I have a client who wishes to use some dictation software with JAWS.  We have tried the new Dictate add-in with Word and JAWS.  It works reasonably well, but seems to lack some of the “bells and whistles” like literal numbers or word and correction.  But for get thoughts on a page and going back and “cleaning up, it is a good choice.

 

I get very mixed reviews on Dragon Naturally speaking and JAWS.  I read everything from it works well to they don’t play nice together and it is difficult to set up.

 

Wondering about experiences anyone may have had trying to use Dragon with JAWS.  My person is running JAWS 2020, and Office 365 on a Windows 10 computer.  If it does work what do we have to do to make it so?  Also a question of a headset mic vs tabletop.  My client doesn’t care for headsets, but if a must have, a recommendation for a reasonably priced one.

 

Thanks

 

Jim

 

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Thanks

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moderated Re: Zoom meeting question

Milton Ota
 

Hi,

First, if you have a room ID as a Free Registered user, after the first 40-minutes you would have to restart the meeting and resend everyone in the group the invite. Anyone, correct me if I'm wrong.

Milton

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jed Barton
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 1:38 PM
To: main <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Zoom meeting question

Hey guys,

So here's a question. With the free zoom plan, i know they limit you to a 40 minute meeting. Can you keep using that same link once the meeting expires, and just start over, or do you have to create a new meeting.
I've got some stuff that i need to have some meetings for, and was just curious about this.

Cheers,

Jed