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Re: filling out PDFs
On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 10:38 AM, Madison Martin wrote:
guess my version of Word is too old.What version of Word are you using? -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
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Re: Reading pdfs with confidence
On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 07:42 AM, Dean Martineau wrote:
assuming you have Microsoft 365 on your system, is to set them up to open in Word.And, to add to that, it need not be Office 365. The ability to open PDF files within Word, where it converts them, has been around since at least Word 2013. It may even have been available in Word 2010, but I no longer have a system with Office 2010 to double-check that on. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
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Re: How do I approach an employer regarding installing JAWS on a PC they're giving me for my job?
On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 11:23 AM, Justin Williams wrote:
It is your write (sic) under the AdA.Your right under the ADA is to have a screen reader if that's what you need to do your job. That screen reader need not be JAWS. And I expect that as time progresses, and more employers accept NVDA and Narrator pushes further into the scene, that's what will end up being offered. That being said, many larger companies that already have experience hiring employees who are blind or visually-impaired have volume licensing arrangements in place with Freedom Scientific. So it absolutely makes sense to inquire about having JAWS, Fusion, or ZoomText (though I realize JAWS is what's wanted in this case) if that's what you prefer. But if they say, "No, we expect you to use {insert other screen reader here}," that's perfectly within the bounds of the law. In the immortal lyrics of the Rolling Stones, which apply here, "You can't always get what you want, but you get what you need." -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
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Re: likign on facebook
Justin Williams
Okay,
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Thanks, Justin
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chantal Ferreira Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 6:41 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: likign on facebook Good afternoon Justin I think you would probably have to go to the page and like it there. Hope this helps. Chantal On 7/23/20, Justin Williams <justin.williams2@gmail.com> wrote: When you get an e-mail message asking you to like a page, is it enough -- Kind regards Chantal
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Re: How do I approach an employer regarding installing JAWS on a PC they're giving me for my job?
Justin Williams
Yes, approach them through a written even letter if you want to make it more formal.
Or, just call them and tell them. It is your write under the AdA.
And besides, if you don't use JAwS, how will you get the job done?
Justin
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Weiss via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 9:44 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: How do I approach an employer regarding installing JAWS on a PC they're giving me for my job?
Also, let’s not push our rights back into the dark ages. What if you required a refreshable Braille Display. Would you fork over $5,000 and purchase your own? We have every right to have the equipment to perform our jobs! We have fought long and hard for this right, don’t shove it out the door. If you purchase your own license of JAWS you set a precedent for every single person with a disability that this company hires in the future. Jim Weiss
The National Federation of the Blind is a community of members and friends who believe in the hopes and dreams of the nation’s blind. Every day we work together to help blind people live the lives they want.
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Re: How do I approach an employer regarding installing JAWS on a PC they're giving me for my job?
Jim Weiss <jimweiss72@...>
Also, let’s not push our rights back into the dark ages. What if you required a refreshable Braille Display. Would you fork over $5,000 and purchase your own? We have every right to have the equipment to perform our jobs! We have fought long and hard for this right, don’t shove it out the door. If you purchase your own license of JAWS you set a precedent for every single person with a disability that this company hires in the future.
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Re: How do I approach an employer regarding installing JAWS on a PC they're giving me for my job?
JOHN RIEHL
That is an excellent point.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Weiss via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 8:59 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: How do I approach an employer regarding installing JAWS on a PC they're giving me for my job?
Several people have suggested avoiding paying for a Professional copy of JAWS and use a home use license. The home use license is for just that, not for work. Don’t forget that JAWS reaches out to the license server every time it is started. You don’t know what type of information is being sent to the license server. By using JAWS home annual license for work purposes is strictly forbidden and you take the chance of losing your license. You may take your personal laptop to the office and use it for non-work related tasks, but if you are performing a job and using JAWS it really needs to be the Professional license. Jim Weiss
“Failure is simply an opportunity to begin again, this time more intelligently.” | Henry Ford
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Re: How do I approach an employer regarding installing JAWS on a PC they're giving me for my job?
Jim Weiss <jimweiss72@...>
Several people have suggested avoiding paying for a Professional copy of JAWS and use a home use license. The home use license is for just that, not for work. Don’t forget that JAWS reaches out to the license server every time it is started. You don’t know what type of information is being sent to the license server. By using JAWS home annual license for work purposes is strictly forbidden and you take the chance of losing your license. You may take your personal laptop to the office and use it for non-work related tasks, but if you are performing a job and using JAWS it really needs to be the Professional license.
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Re: How do I approach an employer regarding installing JAWS on a PC they're giving me for my job?
JOHN RIEHL
Here’s how I would approach my employer. Tell them you’re thrilled to be working for them and you want to hit the ground running as far as being productive. In order to do this, you need to have JAWS, a “screen reader” (you may have to explain what that means) on the work laptop you’ll be using. If you are going to use your own personal copy of JAWS, tell them that and say you would like to install your own copy of JAWS on the computer (that means they won’t have to pay for a copy of JAWS). Emphasize that, if u’r eusing your own personal copy, they won’t have to pay anything. If you want them to buy the program, you’ll need to tell them that and stress that it’s a reasonable accommodation you need in order to do the job. You don’t necessarily need to use ADA specifically. I urge you to get in touch with them immediately. Stress the positive nature of you being ready and eager to start working; all you need is this one small reasonable accommodation, etc etc. Hope this helps.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 8:16 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: How do I approach an employer regarding installing JAWS on a PC they're giving me for my job?
I'd ask them to install JAWS, but leave4 the licensing and configuring to you, unless they're providing the license, in which case, let them license it and then hand it over to you for the rest.
On 7/22/2020 10:58 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
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Re: How do I approach an employer regarding installing JAWS on a PC they're giving me for my job?
Steve Matzura
I'd ask them to install JAWS, but leave4 the licensing and configuring to you, unless they're providing the license, in which case, let them license it and then hand it over to you for the rest.
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Re: Reading pdfs with confidence
Dean Martineau <topdot@...>
This entire discussion continues to convince me, with perhaps some exceptions, that the best way to deal with PDFs, assuming you have Microsoft 365 on your system, is to set them up to open in Word. Word has no problem with paragraphs. The exception that I have found is a student textbook I opened in Word and which contained a myriad graphics which for me were entirely useless. I didn't try it in Adobe reader. But all the other PDFs I've been opening lately have been effortless to read in Word.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 7:26 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence Steve, is there a way to read pdfs in chrome para-wise smoothly? Line by line and say all are laborious. It divides paras very unnaturally. Not smooth at all. On Jul 23, 2020, at 4:49 PM, Steve Nutt <steve@comproom.co.uk> wrote:
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Re: Reading pdfs with confidence
Rahul Bajaj
Steve, is there a way to read pdfs in chrome para-wise smoothly? Line by line and say all are laborious. It divides paras very unnaturally. Not smooth at all.
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On Jul 23, 2020, at 4:49 PM, Steve Nutt <steve@comproom.co.uk> wrote:
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Re: Reading pdfs with confidence
Steve Nutt
QRead is never updated though and there is no support for it.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon Sent: 24 June 2020 22:07 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence Again, qread takes care of all these problems, and is much more doable than pdf. Lots of times pdf files will have all the words run together without spaces, but qread separates all the words. Sharon -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 4:43 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence With notepad and qread, para-wise navigation is not possible. And reading the document line by line or through say all are both not good ideas. If you open it in word, it can sometimes miss things. I have seen this happen. Rahul On Jun 25, 2020, at 2:08 AM, Dean Martineau <topdot@gmail.com> wrote:
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Re: Reading pdfs with confidence
Steve Nutt
Yes, it also misses I's and L's if the font is a bit weird. I prefer Chrome for reading.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj Sent: 24 June 2020 21:43 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence With notepad and qread, para-wise navigation is not possible. And reading the document line by line or through say all are both not good ideas. If you open it in word, it can sometimes miss things. I have seen this happen. Rahul On Jun 25, 2020, at 2:08 AM, Dean Martineau <topdot@gmail.com> wrote:
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Re: Reading pdfs with confidence
Steve Nutt
Hi,
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I'm late to this, but the best reading experience for me is Chrome. You get all the headings as well. All the best Steve -- Computer Room Services 77 Exeter Close Stevenage Hertfordshire SG1 4PW T: +44(0)1438-742286 M: +44(0)7956-334938 F: +44(0)1438-759589 E: steve@comproom.co.uk W: https://www.comproom.co.uk
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dean Martineau Sent: 24 June 2020 21:38 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence I have made Word my default PDF reader. I haven't encountered problems, but that of course doesn't mean I won't encounter them. I find it far preferable to Adobe Reader. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 4:21 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence When I have tried this in the past many spaces between words were omitted causing run-on words. Haven't tried it in a few years. Tony -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 1:42 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence Hi, Rahul. Instead of reading the pdf in Word, Press CONTROL A to select all, copy all the text into Notepad, and try reading it as text. Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 11:39 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Reading pdfs with confidence Hi. I open PDFs in Adobe Reader. JAWS sometimes jumps around of its own accord in pdfs, especially when transitioning from one page to another. and has to be redirected. Even jaws 2020. While I am able to bring it back where I need to when it jumps, I remain quite worried. That I might miss some vital info or internalize it wrongly if I fail to notice the jump. Does anyone else face this? How do you get around it? Converting every pdf into word is not very viable.. and can muff up footnotes. Copy pasting it into word makes a 10 page pdf a 30 page word doc. And makes quick reading very hard. So what can one do? Rahul
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Re: likign on facebook
Chantal Ferreira
Good afternoon Justin
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I think you would probably have to go to the page and like it there. Hope this helps. Chantal
On 7/23/20, Justin Williams <justin.williams2@gmail.com> wrote:
When you get an e-mail message asking you to like a page, is it enough for --
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Re: assigning custom label with jaws.
Patrick Murphy <murphy.patrick42@...>
Hi Enrique,
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i tried your suggestion. insert+g opens the graphics labeler, but jaws tells me that i am not on a graphic with the jaws cursor. i have routed it to the graphic, i even did a lef click on it just to be sure, but it still says that it is not positioned. the only thing i have discovered, and quite by accident, is that the custom label sticks, even though jaws does not read it. then, if i press insert+ctrl+g, jaws gives me a list of graphics. the graphics i have assigned a custome label to then show their custom labels, but this is a real pain. the graphics hold numbers, which are confirmation numbers for a shutdown. the same graphics appear if you want to dismount a disk. i suppose, that if there is no other way to do this, the custom label option and insert+ctrl+g will have to do. however, if you have another idea, i would be greatful for it. these must be some sort of funny type of graphics. i informed buffalo about it last year, and they said they would do something about it. however, as we all know, big companies dont pay any attention to this, as we are in the minority, and especially when it comes to things like nas devices. cheers anyway, pat
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Orlando Enrique Fiol via groups.io Sent: Wednesday 22 July 2020 18:14 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: assigning custom label with jaws. At 08:37 AM 7/22/2020, Patrick Murphy wrote: >Ye, that might work, if only I could actually label the graphic. You can, Pat. Just route the JAWS cursor to each of the graphics and label them with insert+G. If the numbers that appear as graphics are displayed in different permutations each time you visit the site, the labeled graphics will be read as they appear, which makes them quite flexible. Custom labels are not used for labeling graphics; they're for labeling controls that JAWS reports as "unlabeled" (E.G. buttons). But these are not unlabeled controls; they're graphics. So use the graphics labeler rather than the custom labeler. Orlando Enrique Fiol Ph.D. in Music Theory University of Pennsylvania: November, 2018 Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist, Arranger, Performer and Pedagogue Charlotte, North Carolina Home: (980) 585-1516 Mobile: (267) 971-7090 Email: ofiol@verizon.net
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liking on face book
Justin Williams
The last message I sent is supposed to be liking on facebook in the subject line.
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likign on facebook
Justin Williams
When you get an e-mail message asking you to like a page, is it enough for you to just use insert f7 for the links list, and like it?
Or, do you have to go onto the page and click the like button?
I did both.
Justin
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Re: saved documents in word
Justin Williams
None of that worked.
I tried to recover versions, but it said no other versions exist. .
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of NFB Lab 4
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 11:38 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: saved documents in word
I’m guessing that you tried the undo command with control Z. Other than that, may be close Microsoft word and if it asks to save, say no. And then you can re-open it.
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