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moderated Re: Are Any Of These Accessible To Screenreaders?

Annabelle Susan Morison
 

Some are .wav, some are .mid.



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 3:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Are Any Of These Accessible To Screenreaders?

Well, are they in an odd format, or standard mp3 or .wav or windows media, etc.?

If so, GoldWave has a nice file merge feature that is completely accessible.  You would use the Tools menu and select File Merge and then add the folder and if they are in order already, it can put them into one file for you.

There is a fully functional demo, or if you decide to use it on an ongoing basis it is only $50, or so.

www.goldwave.com

 

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 1:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Are Any Of These Accessible To Screenreaders?

 

Hi, it's Annabelle.

I've been thinking about this for a while, and I wonder, are any of these programs accessible to screenreaders like JAWS? These are freewares that are used for splitting and merging files. The reason why I ask this is because I have these files I'm trying to recover, specifically Sonar projects that I didn't get the chance to back up, and what I notice is that each big file has been divided into 46 fragments, all sequentially numbered. This happened on a hard drive that my friend, Markus and I formatted quite by accident in 2015, the first time when we were restoring my machine back to working order. I've used ICare Data Recovery Pro, which I purchased for $71.99 from http://www.icare-recovery.com, and that is where I discovered these files and folders I'm trying to recover are in 46 fragments. Or should I leave this recovery job to Drivesavers? https://www.thefreecountry.com/utilities/file-splitters.shtml


moderated Re: Are Any Of These Accessible To Screenreaders?

Richard Turner
 

Well, are they in an odd format, or standard mp3 or .wav or windows media, etc.?

If so, GoldWave has a nice file merge feature that is completely accessible.  You would use the Tools menu and select File Merge and then add the folder and if they are in order already, it can put them into one file for you.

There is a fully functional demo, or if you decide to use it on an ongoing basis it is only $50, or so.

www.goldwave.com

 

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 1:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Are Any Of These Accessible To Screenreaders?

 

Hi, it's Annabelle.

I've been thinking about this for a while, and I wonder, are any of these programs accessible to screenreaders like JAWS? These are freewares that are used for splitting and merging files. The reason why I ask this is because I have these files I'm trying to recover, specifically Sonar projects that I didn't get the chance to back up, and what I notice is that each big file has been divided into 46 fragments, all sequentially numbered. This happened on a hard drive that my friend, Markus and I formatted quite by accident in 2015, the first time when we were restoring my machine back to working order. I've used ICare Data Recovery Pro, which I purchased for $71.99 from http://www.icare-recovery.com, and that is where I discovered these files and folders I'm trying to recover are in 46 fragments. Or should I leave this recovery job to Drivesavers? https://www.thefreecountry.com/utilities/file-splitters.shtml


moderated Re: Identifying emojis with braille displays?

JM Casey
 

Which makes sense. Can you imagine trying to represent emojis with actual braille symbols? We already have enough obscurity with special typefaces and other things -- iE, "bold", "italics" and such in braille are really just special "brackets" and the print terms themselves are meaningless in braille, but we want to show them anyway (and we should) -- but go too far down that slope and you have endless layers of representation that are just obfuscative and confusing, especailly for beginners.

Whether emojjis are "spokeN" or not really depends on a lot of different factors -- chiefly the screen-reader being used, but also the software used to isplay those emojis in the first place.

Imo emojis are a bit of a dead end, despite what goofy stuff like 'The Emoji Story" might try to tell you.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Tessore
Sent: July 22, 2020 4:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Identifying emojis with braille displays?

I am a literary braille transcribing student through the NFB. personal experience and the manual both confirm the answer to your question is no. typically anything of that sort must be identified and described in a transcribers special symbols note. hope this helps.

Shalom,

Bill Tessore
On Jul 22, 2020, at 12:57 PM, ann <@etheria> wrote:

Hi folks,


Using braille, is there anyway to identify emojis? Of course, when I'm just using speech output, the characters are correctly spoken. But so far, on my Orbit 20 Plus display, all I see for emojis is two full braille cells side by side. I've figured out this is an emoji, but have no idea what it is without invoking speech.


I'd have to pull it out and connect it to test, but I think this also happened on my old RB18.


Is there anyway of identifying emojis using a braille display?


Thanks,

~Ann




moderated JAWS2020 Feature for Stopping Jaws from Cutting Off Speech, FSCast 186

Mike B
 

Hi All,
 
Thought some of you might be interested in this FSCast.

Note:  The part of the FSCast that pertains only to this Jaws feature is at the bottom, below the 2 links.
 
New post on Freedom Scientific Blog
 
FSCast 186, Blindness consultant Joe Strechay, a new Freedom Scientific Training podcast, and a demo of the JAWS feature to prevent speech cut off
by FSCast
 
On FSCast 186, we meet blindness consultant and TV producer Joe Strechay  who helps ensure that blind people are accurately portrayed in media. There’s
news about the new Freedom Scientific training podcast, and Jonathan Mosen drops in with a demo of the new JAWS feature to prevent speech cut off with
Bluetooth headphones and some sound cards.
 
Click this link to listen:
 
 
To read the full transcript click the link below:
 
 
 
Jaws feature part of the transcript:
 
 
Over the last couple of months we’ve been talking about the new JAWS feature that prevents speech from being cut off when listening using Bluetooth headphones
or listening on certain laptops.  Fortunately, I don’t have the problem.  So it’s been really hard for me to demonstrate it.  But turns out that longtime
FSCast host Jonathan Mosen does.  He has an HP Spectre Folio that shows off this problem really easily.  Jonathan was kind enough to send us an excerpt
from his Mosen at Large podcast, where he shows off the new JAWS feature at work.  So Jonathan, it’s all yours.
Excerpt  from Jonathan Mosen’s Mosen at Large podcast
 
JONATHAN MOSEN:  Let me demonstrate the problem so you can hear what this is like by just running JAWS without this new enhancement that I want to show
you enabled.  So I’m going to press a shortcut key that I have assigned to JAWS.
JAWS VOICE:  Ows professional.  Desktop.  Folder view.  List view.  Not selected.  Recycle bin.  One of 33.
JONATHAN:  There you go.  You can actually hear it right away.  It sort of said “ows Professional” because I’ve been sitting here with my laptop making
no sound, and it just woke up.  Even this pause is long enough for me to demonstrate the problem.  If I check the window title, “sktop One,” and you can
hear that it missed the beginning of “desktop.”  So it sort of said “sktop One.”  I’m going to run Microsoft Word.
JAWS VOICE:  tana.
JONATHAN:  You can really hear it.  My soundcard driver has actually recently gotten worse at this issue, and it’s now hibernating very quickly.  I have
my keyboard echo turned off, which probably exacerbates the problem.  But I just don’t need my keys echoing back to me.  I’m going to type “This is a test”
and now read the current line.
JAWS VOICE:  “Is a test.”
JONATHAN:  Right?  So you missed the first word entirely there.
JAWS VOICE:  “Is a test.”
JONATHAN:  Is a test.  If I do it quickly enough, if I read the same line twice quickly...
JAWS VOICE:  “T H I S.  This is a test.”
JONATHAN:  So as long as I’m quick enough, and I keep the soundcard alive, I can hear what I’m doing.  Now, of course if you’re navigating word by word,
this is a real issue.  I’ll go to the top of the file and now move slightly slowly, word by word.
JAWS VOICE:  [Indiscernible small portions of each word “this is a test”] .
JONATHAN:  It’s really difficult to hear; isn’t it.  How do we fix this?  It’s very easy with the latest build of JAWS to address this.  I’m going to go
into the Settings Center.  And you can do that by pressing the JAWS KEY with F2 to get to the list of managers, if you like.  But JAWS seasoned users,
or those who just are shortcut ninjas will know that you can go into the Settings Center by pressing the JAWS KEY with the number 6 on your number row.
JAWS VOICE:  JAWS Setting Center dialog.  Search box edit.  CTRL+T.
JONATHAN:  The first thing we need to do is load the default configuration because this setting applies across the board to JAWS.  To do that, I’ll press
CTRL+SHIFT+D for default.
JAWS VOICE:  JAWS Setting Center default applications.
JONATHAN: We’re now in an edit field where we can search for JAWS settings.  You can fossick around the tree view here to your heart’s content, and you’ll
find just how configurable JAWS is.  But I’m going to type the word “cut,” C U T.  That’ll be enough.  And I’ll press the TAB key.
JAWS VOICE:  Search results list box.  Avoid speech cutoff when using Bluetooth headphones or some soundcards, not checked.
JONATHAN:  And there’s an option here called “Avoid speech cutoff.”  And I’m going to press TAB, which will get me into the Help for this feature, and
do a JAWS Say All to hear the full description. 
JAWS VOICE:  Bluetooth headphones and speakers shut down after a while of not receiving sound to conserve battery.  If this checkbox is selected, JAWS
will keep them awake by constantly playing silence.  You will not hear anything, but your device will remain active, resulting in more consistent speech. 
Note that the battery of your headphone/speakers could drain faster if you turn this on.  This checkbox is cleared by default.
JONATHAN:  I must say I have not found anything substantial in the way of battery drain by enabling this feature.  The HP Spectre Folio laptop that I have
has phenomenal battery life.  I mean, depending on what I’m doing, it can be anything from five or six hours if I’m doing really aggressive tasks like
audio editing, all the way through to 12, 13, 14 hours or more if I’m just doing a bit of basic word processing.  I’ll SHIFT+TAB.
JAWS VOICE:  Search results list box.  Avoid speech cutoff when using Bluetooth headphones and some soundcards, not checked. 
JONATHAN:  And I’ll check this box.  And now I’m going to exit Settings Center by pressing ALT+F4.
JAWS VOICE:  JAWS Settings Center dialog.  You have made changes to default application settings.  Do you want to save them?  Yes button, Alt+y.
JONATHAN:  Yes, I do.  I’ll press ENTER to accept.
JAWS VOICE:  Document, one word, edit.
JONATHAN:  Miraculously, now everything has cleared up.  Night and day, mate.  Night and day.  So if I press the JAWS KEY with T to read the window title...
JAWS VOICE:  Document, one word, print.
JONATHAN:  And it’s fine.
JAWS VOICE:  Document, one word, print.
JONATHAN:  I read a Say line.
JAWS VOICE:  This is a test.
JONATHAN:  And everything is working fine.  So it’s a very simple thing.  It’s just a little checkbox, but it makes the world of difference to people like
me who are using particular Realtek sound drivers.
One thing to note:  There is a tradeoff with this.  Because JAWS is sending sound to the soundcard at all times – it’s essentially just sending silence
to keep it awake – that means that the soundcard is always on, so audio ducking is affected.  You will unfortunately have to make a choice between whether
JAWS ducks the audio or whether this feature is on.
By “ducking” audio I mean that you can have JAWS now slightly turn down what you’re listening to.  If you have music on in the background while you’re
working, JAWS will turn that down a little so that you can better hear your speech.  You can’t have that and this feature enabled at the same time.  For
me, the user experience has improved so much by enabling this checkbox that I’m glad to forsake the possibility of audio ducking.
 


moderated Re: Identifying emojis with braille displays?

Bill Tessore
 

I am a literary braille transcribing student through the NFB. personal experience and the manual both confirm the answer to your question is no. typically anything of that sort must be identified and described in a transcribers special symbols note. hope this helps.

Shalom,

Bill Tessore

On Jul 22, 2020, at 12:57 PM, ann <@etheria> wrote:

Hi folks,


Using braille, is there anyway to identify emojis? Of course, when I'm just using speech output, the characters are correctly spoken. But so far, on my Orbit 20 Plus display, all I see for emojis is two full braille cells side by side. I've figured out this is an emoji, but have no idea what it is without invoking speech.


I'd have to pull it out and connect it to test, but I think this also happened on my old RB18.


Is there anyway of identifying emojis using a braille display?


Thanks,

~Ann




moderated bluetooth keyboard question

Dean Martineau <topdot@...>
 

Hello. Does there exist a Bluetooth keyboard with function keys separated in groups of four, a numeric keypad and a context menu key?  In other words, with the functionality and appearance of a good old standard Windows keyboard?


moderated Are Any Of These Accessible To Screenreaders?

Annabelle Susan Morison
 

Hi, it's Annabelle.
I've been thinking about this for a while, and I wonder, are any of these programs accessible to screenreaders like JAWS? These are freewares that are used for splitting and merging files. The reason why I ask this is because I have these files I'm trying to recover, specifically Sonar projects that I didn't get the chance to back up, and what I notice is that each big file has been divided into 46 fragments, all sequentially numbered. This happened on a hard drive that my friend, Markus and I formatted quite by accident in 2015, the first time when we were restoring my machine back to working order. I've used ICare Data Recovery Pro, which I purchased for $71.99 from http://www.icare-recovery.com, and that is where I discovered these files and folders I'm trying to recover are in 46 fragments. Or should I leave this recovery job to Drivesavers? https://www.thefreecountry.com/utilities/file-splitters.shtml


moderated Identifying emojis with braille displays?

ann
 

Hi folks,


Using braille, is there anyway to identify emojis? Of course, when I'm just using speech output, the characters are correctly spoken. But so far, on my Orbit 20 Plus display, all I see for emojis is two full braille cells side by side. I've figured out this is an emoji, but have no idea what it is without invoking speech.


I'd have to pull it out and connect it to test, but I think this also happened on my old RB18.


Is there anyway of identifying emojis using a braille display?


Thanks,

~Ann


moderated Re: Bypassing the log on screen in Windows 10 20-04

Randy Barnett
 

To Turn Off the Password Entry Requirement under Win8 or Win10

Note: Anybody who turns the computer on can get into the desktop screen directly if there is only one account on the computer.  If there is more than one then they can get access to the desktop by selecting any account that has password login turned off.

Please follow the below steps to skip the password entry screen for a specific account:

1.        Open the Run Command box by simultaneously pressing Windows Key and R keys (Windows Key+R). In the Run dialog box, type Netplwiz and then press Enter key.

OR  Open a Command Prompt window and enter the command:  control userpasswords2 and hit Enter.

2.        You will be presented with the User Accounts dialog, select the user account for which you wish to turn off password login and then uncheck the checkbox labeled Users must enter a user name and password to use this computer.

3.      Click Apply button to see Automatically sign in box.

4.       On the "Automatically sign in box" confirm your credentials and then click OK. Restart the computer and check.

Steps 3 and 4 are critical.  If you omit them you will not have the password login turned off and everything will remain as it had been.

CAUTION:   If you do the above, and decide to change your password, make sure you follow the instructions above to change it as outlined above before you restart your computer again or you will have effectively locked yourself out, as your automatic sign in will fail because it still has your old password.

On 7/22/2020 4:27 AM, Dave Durber wrote:
Hello Everyone:
 
Uptoo, and including Windows 10, 19-09, to disable the log on screen, the simplest way to do that, was to open the dialogue window in the N E T P L W I Z (without the spaces), applet, and uncheck the check box on the option which says: "Users must enter a user name and password to use this computer. You would enter the password in the 2 following fields, click on the Apply button to accept the change, then click on the OK button, to close the dialog window. After that, whenever you started the computer or, restarted the computer, the computer would bypass the log on screen, and go straight to the desktop.
 
I have just performed a fresh installation of Windows 10, using the 20-04 version. in the N E T P L W I Z applet, the option, "Users must enter a user name and password to use this computer", is no longer there. Does anyone on this list, know of another way to disable the log on screen. If they do, will you please give step-by-step instructions.
 
Thank you in anticipation.
 
Dave Durber


moderated Re: assigning custom label with jaws.

Mike B
 

Here's how to use the graphics labeler:
Creating a Graphic Label Manually
To practice creating a Graphic Label, use HJPad. To launch HJPad go to Start, Programs, JAWS X (where X is the JAWS version number), Run HJPad.
 
Using the Graphics Labeler is easy, but before you start ensure that you have speak graphics verbosity turned on. Follow these steps to be sure:
 
With HJPad open, press INSERT+V to bring up the Verbosity dialog box.
Press G to move to the Graphics Verbosity item in the list box.
Press the SPACEBAR until you hear JAWS say, "All graphics," and then press ENTER.
Now that all graphics will be spoken, you are ready to find a graphic to label.
 
Press the NUM PAD MINUS key to activate the JAWS cursor.
Tip: To navigate to the toolbar, first press PAGE UP to move to the top of the window, and then press HOME to move to the top, left.
 
Use the arrow keys to move to the first toolbar button. You will hear, "Graphic XXX." XXX can indicate any number.
Press INSERT+G to open the Graphics Labeler.
When the Graphics Labeler is opened, the focus is in the edit field, where you should enter the label for the graphic. It will contain the graphic number. 
Press the delete key to remove the number then, type the name for your graphic.
Press the TAB key to move to the Braille label field. Here you can enter a label for a Braille display.
Next press the TAB key to move to a group of radio buttons that will let you determine where you want to save the label, in the application file, default
file, or both files.  Choose the application file. 
Press ENTER to activate your graphic label.
Note: To edit a graphic label, use the same procedure that you would to create a new graphic label, and just change the name of the label in the Graphics
Labeler when it opens. To delete a graphic label, do the same, but delete the name in the Graphics Labeler.

 
Using the Auto Graphics Labeler
The Auto Graphics Labeler assigns a text label to all graphics that are associated with ToolTips. A ToolTip is a brief description of a graphic that appears
on the screen as you point to the graphic with your mouse.
 
To activate the Auto Graphics Labeler, open the desired application, and press CTRL+INSERT+G.
 
JAWS will attempt to label all graphics. Do not move the mouse or press any keys on the keyboard until JAWS states that the Auto Graphics Labeler is finished.
When JAWS finishes, it will announce the newly labeled graphics.
 
After using the Auto Graphics Labeler, you can use CTRL+INSERT+SHIFT+G to bring up the Select Graphic to Click Dialog box. With this dialog box, you can
use your arrow keys to move through the available graphics, and then press the TAB key to move to the OK button and press ENTER to activate the graphic
you selected.
 
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: assigning custom label with jaws.

At 08:37 AM 7/22/2020, Patrick Murphy wrote:
 >Ye, that might work, if only I could actually label the graphic.

You can, Pat. Just route the JAWS cursor to each of the graphics and
label them with insert+G. If the numbers that appear as graphics are
displayed in different permutations each time you visit the site, the
labeled graphics will be read as they appear, which makes them quite flexible.
Custom labels are not used for labeling graphics; they're for
labeling controls that JAWS reports as "unlabeled" (E.G. buttons).
But these are not unlabeled controls; they're graphics. So use the
graphics labeler rather than the custom labeler.


Orlando Enrique Fiol
Ph.D. in Music Theory
University of Pennsylvania: November, 2018
Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist, Arranger, Performer
and Pedagogue
Charlotte, North Carolina
Home: (980) 585-1516
Mobile: (267) 971-7090
Email: ofiol@...        




moderated Re: assigning custom label with jaws.

Orlando Enrique Fiol
 

At 08:37 AM 7/22/2020, Patrick Murphy wrote:
Ye, that might work, if only I could actually label the graphic.
You can, Pat. Just route the JAWS cursor to each of the graphics and label them with insert+G. If the numbers that appear as graphics are displayed in different permutations each time you visit the site, the labeled graphics will be read as they appear, which makes them quite flexible.
Custom labels are not used for labeling graphics; they're for labeling controls that JAWS reports as "unlabeled" (E.G. buttons). But these are not unlabeled controls; they're graphics. So use the graphics labeler rather than the custom labeler.


Orlando Enrique Fiol
Ph.D. in Music Theory
University of Pennsylvania: November, 2018
Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist, Arranger, Performer and Pedagogue
Charlotte, North Carolina
Home: (980) 585-1516
Mobile: (267) 971-7090
Email: ofiol@...


moderated Re: assigning custom label with jaws.

Mike B
 

Hi Pat,
 
I'm referring to quick settings while you're on the Buffalo link or opening the settings center while on the Buffalo link.
While on the Buffalo link, if you open quick settings with the keystroke, Insert + V, under the, General options heading, look for the Graphics option.  You have 3 choices All, Labeled and None.  You use the spacebar to toggle through them.
 
While on the Buffalo link, if you open the Settings Center with the keystroke, Insert + 6, on the number row, down arrow to, Graphics & Symbols, if closed right arrow to open, down arrow to, Graphics verboscity, and use the spacebar to toggle through the options like in quick settings.  With either, if you make any changes, make sure to tab to and press enter on, Okay, after making a settings change.
 
Another thought would be to see if the picture smart feature of J2020 might be able to catpture something.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 6:53 AM
Subject: Re: assigning custom label with jaws.

Hi,

 

What setting are yu referring to?

Pat

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Wednesday 22 July 2020 14:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: assigning custom label with jaws.

 

Change the setting just to see if it helps.  Nothing ventured....


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Learn a lesson from your dog.  No matter what life brings you, kick some grass over that crap and move on!

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 5:37 AM

Subject: Re: assigning custom label with jaws.

 

Ye, that might work, if only I could actually label the graphic.

 

pat

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Wednesday 22 July 2020 13:29
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: assigning custom label with jaws.

 

Have you tried settings your graphics settings to, Labeled graphics, in either quick settings, Insert + V, or in the application settings center, just to see if this would read the graphics better?


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Learn a lesson from your dog.  No matter what life brings you, kick some grass over that crap and move on!

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 3:16 AM

Subject: Re: assigning custom label with jaws.

 

Hi,

 

I have tried this with both jaws 2018 and 2020 (latest update).

My windows 10 is also totally up to date, as just checked this morning.

I have a buffalo link station that i am using for storage.

When you try to shut it down, or remove an external usb disk, a confirmation number is asked for.

There are four numbers in total that you have to enter, e.g. 1234.

The numbers present themselves on the screen as graphics.

They are read by jaws as:

“graphic number_1” “graphic_number2” “graphic_number3” and “graphic_number4”.

Obviously, these are pictures. This has been confirmed by my son.

The number sequence changes, it is not always the same number, but given that, so does the picture, as it has a different number.

In the old internet explorer, i was able to assign a custom label to these numbers.

Once my son helped me to go through each number from 0 to 9, the graphics were read out correctly, no matter what sequence they appeared in.

Now, with google chrome, ms edge and brave, there does not seem to be any way to set a custom label.

Jaws is telling me that this cannot be done.

It could be that the pictures are not clickable or something like that.

Can you only create a custom label for an element on a web page that is actionable?

If so, why would internet explorer allow this, and no chrome based browser will?

From what i have read, jaws should be able to create a custom label for anything whether it is actionable or not.

Surely, this is the point of these. If there is a graphic on a web site that you just want to know what it is, a custom label should be creatable.

Am i wrong?

If so, can anyone provide an idea as to how to overcome this?

At the moment, if i want to do anything with my link station, i have to wait until someone who can see is there.

Please do not tell me to get another nas, this is not an option.

 

Kind regards,

 

pat

 


moderated Re: Restoring files

Chris Hill
 

Just hit the windows key and type file history.  If you have any questions, feel free to ask.  You will need somewhere to store your file history, like an external drive or nas device.



On 7/21/2020 20:29, clarence carter via groups.io wrote:

I had the unfortunate experience of destroying an Excel file. I thought that I had a back up or a version to restore.

 

When I looked, I found that there were no previous versions.

 

How can  I set up Windows 10 so that it will keep previous versions of documents?

 

If there  is a page that  you can point me to, I would appreciate it.

 

Thanks


moderated Re: facebook and browsers

Chris Hill
 

Personally, I'm a big fan of firefox on facebook.  Nobody else offers the facebook container extension, this keeps facebook from following you around on the web, thus thwarting its data collection practices.



On 7/21/2020 21:50, Justin Williams wrote:

It is me, or does Internet explorer work better than Chrome, even on the mobile site?

 

I have not tested firefox yet.

 

I am using JAWS 2019.

 

Are there any other better working browsers?

 

Isn't there a way to get chrome to work better on facebook?

Thanks,

 

Justin

 

 

 

 


moderated Re: facebook and browsers

Maria Campbell
 

Yes it does.


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke
On 7/21/2020 10:50 PM, Justin Williams wrote:

It is me, or does Internet explorer work better than Chrome, even on the mobile site?

 

I have not tested firefox yet.

 

I am using JAWS 2019.

 

Are there any other better working browsers?

 

Isn't there a way to get chrome to work better on facebook?

Thanks,

 

Justin

 

 

 

 


moderated Re: What happened to my desktop?

Shirley Tracy
 

Thanks Bill.

 

 

Shirley Tracy

 

From: Bill White
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 10:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What happened to my desktop?

 

Hi, Shirley. There are two settings that you can change to make sure that, in the future, even if Tablet Mode does get turned on, your desktop and task bar won't be hidden.

 

1. Open Settings with Windows key plus I.

2. TAB to the list of Settings categories, and press ENTER on System.

3. Arrow down to Tablet Mode, and press ENTER.

4. Under Tablet Mode, make sure, Hide app icons on the taskbar in tablet mode Button is Off

5. Also under Tablet Mode, make sure, Automatically hide the taskbar in tablet mode Button is Off.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shirley Tracy
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 12:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What happened to my desktop?

 

Sieghard ,

 

Thank you! Thank you! I must have done that, but I sure don’t know how. Wow!

 

This list is great when guys like you are willing to respond. I thank everyone who replied…and I truly thank you for coming up with the idea.

 

A very happy Shirley

 

 

Shirley Tracy

 

From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 2:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What happened to my desktop?

 

Did you somehow turn on Tablet Mode?

Press Windows Key + A and tab until you hear Tablet Mode, if it is checked press the spacebar to uncheck it.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shirley Tracy
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 2:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What happened to my desktop?

 

Hi Mike,

 

Yes, I tried rebooting. I also pressed windows key plus D and also the alt M and even Control M. Nothing happens. I ask Curtana for mail is the way I find it now. I no longer have the normal list. I hope I didn’t get a virus or something.

 

No, I didn’t finish the letter before the Desktop vanished, but I asked Curtana for mail and finished (rewrote) the important email letter. What the letter had to do with everything is that I was rushing to get it sent out before today—long story. In my hurry, I may have pressed the wrong keys somewhere—or been keying too fast--that darn letter took up a lot of my time and brain power. By the time I sent out my plea for help last night, I was exhausted. (smile).

My next plan is to call Microsoft Disability number. Thought I’d pick your brains on the list first.

 

Shirley Tracy

 

From: Mike B
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 12:18 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What happened to my desktop?

 

Did you try rebooting?

 

Did you try pressing, Windows key + D, or M, to take you to the desktop?

 

Did you press, Insert + T, to read the title of the screen you're on?

 

Was your computer doing some sort of update and wanting to reboot?

 

Did you get your letter composed and saved?

 

What relation does composing a letter and not having a desktop have to do with each other?  What I mean is, as above, did you finish the letter, save it, then you couldn't find your desktop?

 

I'm not trying to be an A'Hole, but you're leaving out a lot of things that could of, might of or maybe did!

 

 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Learn a lesson from your dog.  No matter what life brings you, kick some grass over that crap and move on!

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 9:02 PM

Subject: What happened to my desktop?

 

My computer started acting goofy this evening, and I was in a hurry to compose an important letter so may have rushed things along too quickly. Suddenly, my desktop disappeared. I can’t find it. Any ideas? It’s not in the recycle bin. (LOL).

 

Any help would be appreciated.

 

Shirley Tracy

 

 

 


moderated Re: filling out PDFs

Madison Martin
 

Well, that didn't work; guess my version of Word is too old. Thanks anyway
though.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: July 21, 2020 9:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: filling out PDFs

Tom, I agree with Justin. New to me also. Thanks for posting this.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 6:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: filling out PDFs

Madison:

If you have a reasonably current version of Microsoft Word, press control
F12 to get into the PDF conversion option.

Then, locate the PDF file you want to convert into a Word document.

Once you've highlighted that document, hit enter, and you will get a message
that Microsoft Word will convert the file for you.

Hit ok on this, and the conversion should be done.

You will then be placed into the converted file, which should be an editable
Microsoft Word document. Of course, once you have the converted document, you
can save where needed.

I've had fairly good results with this, although it does depend on how the
original file was prepared before it was converted to a PDF document.

I hope this helps.

Tom Behler
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 4:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: filling out PDFs

Hi all,
I think someone posted the instructions for this a few weeks ago, but I deleted
the email by accident. I don't mind reading PDFs in Adobe, but filling them out
doesn't work. Can someone please tell me how to change this one PDF into a Word
document so that I can fill it in? I tried selecting it and then copying and
pasting it into a Word document but that didn't work. I know I could put it into
Notepad, but I don't know how to use Notepad. I want to be able to fill it in
myself, I don't want to print it out and have someone else fill it in for me.
Thanks
Madison


moderated Re: assigning custom label with jaws.

Richard Turner
 

I think Mike was referring to the labeled graphics, but poking around in the various graphics settings, have you double checked the minimum and maximum graphics sizes to make sure what you are trying to grab are not outside of those parameters?

It is a setting called Graphic recognition dimensions.

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 6:53 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: assigning custom label with jaws.

 

Hi,

 

What setting are yu referring to?

Pat

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Wednesday 22 July 2020 14:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: assigning custom label with jaws.

 

Change the setting just to see if it helps.  Nothing ventured....


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Learn a lesson from your dog.  No matter what life brings you, kick some grass over that crap and move on!

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 5:37 AM

Subject: Re: assigning custom label with jaws.

 

Ye, that might work, if only I could actually label the graphic.

 

pat

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Wednesday 22 July 2020 13:29
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: assigning custom label with jaws.

 

Have you tried settings your graphics settings to, Labeled graphics, in either quick settings, Insert + V, or in the application settings center, just to see if this would read the graphics better?


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Learn a lesson from your dog.  No matter what life brings you, kick some grass over that crap and move on!

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 3:16 AM

Subject: Re: assigning custom label with jaws.

 

Hi,

 

I have tried this with both jaws 2018 and 2020 (latest update).

My windows 10 is also totally up to date, as just checked this morning.

I have a buffalo link station that i am using for storage.

When you try to shut it down, or remove an external usb disk, a confirmation number is asked for.

There are four numbers in total that you have to enter, e.g. 1234.

The numbers present themselves on the screen as graphics.

They are read by jaws as:

“graphic number_1” “graphic_number2” “graphic_number3” and “graphic_number4”.

Obviously, these are pictures. This has been confirmed by my son.

The number sequence changes, it is not always the same number, but given that, so does the picture, as it has a different number.

In the old internet explorer, i was able to assign a custom label to these numbers.

Once my son helped me to go through each number from 0 to 9, the graphics were read out correctly, no matter what sequence they appeared in.

Now, with google chrome, ms edge and brave, there does not seem to be any way to set a custom label.

Jaws is telling me that this cannot be done.

It could be that the pictures are not clickable or something like that.

Can you only create a custom label for an element on a web page that is actionable?

If so, why would internet explorer allow this, and no chrome based browser will?

From what i have read, jaws should be able to create a custom label for anything whether it is actionable or not.

Surely, this is the point of these. If there is a graphic on a web site that you just want to know what it is, a custom label should be creatable.

Am i wrong?

If so, can anyone provide an idea as to how to overcome this?

At the moment, if i want to do anything with my link station, i have to wait until someone who can see is there.

Please do not tell me to get another nas, this is not an option.

 

Kind regards,

 

pat

 


moderated Re: assigning custom label with jaws.

Patrick Murphy
 

Hi,

 

What setting are yu referring to?

Pat

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Wednesday 22 July 2020 14:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: assigning custom label with jaws.

 

Change the setting just to see if it helps.  Nothing ventured....


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Learn a lesson from your dog.  No matter what life brings you, kick some grass over that crap and move on!

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 5:37 AM

Subject: Re: assigning custom label with jaws.

 

Ye, that might work, if only I could actually label the graphic.

 

pat

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Wednesday 22 July 2020 13:29
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: assigning custom label with jaws.

 

Have you tried settings your graphics settings to, Labeled graphics, in either quick settings, Insert + V, or in the application settings center, just to see if this would read the graphics better?


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Learn a lesson from your dog.  No matter what life brings you, kick some grass over that crap and move on!

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 3:16 AM

Subject: Re: assigning custom label with jaws.

 

Hi,

 

I have tried this with both jaws 2018 and 2020 (latest update).

My windows 10 is also totally up to date, as just checked this morning.

I have a buffalo link station that i am using for storage.

When you try to shut it down, or remove an external usb disk, a confirmation number is asked for.

There are four numbers in total that you have to enter, e.g. 1234.

The numbers present themselves on the screen as graphics.

They are read by jaws as:

“graphic number_1” “graphic_number2” “graphic_number3” and “graphic_number4”.

Obviously, these are pictures. This has been confirmed by my son.

The number sequence changes, it is not always the same number, but given that, so does the picture, as it has a different number.

In the old internet explorer, i was able to assign a custom label to these numbers.

Once my son helped me to go through each number from 0 to 9, the graphics were read out correctly, no matter what sequence they appeared in.

Now, with google chrome, ms edge and brave, there does not seem to be any way to set a custom label.

Jaws is telling me that this cannot be done.

It could be that the pictures are not clickable or something like that.

Can you only create a custom label for an element on a web page that is actionable?

If so, why would internet explorer allow this, and no chrome based browser will?

From what i have read, jaws should be able to create a custom label for anything whether it is actionable or not.

Surely, this is the point of these. If there is a graphic on a web site that you just want to know what it is, a custom label should be creatable.

Am i wrong?

If so, can anyone provide an idea as to how to overcome this?

At the moment, if i want to do anything with my link station, i have to wait until someone who can see is there.

Please do not tell me to get another nas, this is not an option.

 

Kind regards,

 

pat

 


moderated Re: assigning custom label with jaws.

Mike B
 

Change the setting just to see if it helps.  Nothing ventured....

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Learn a lesson from your dog.  No matter what life brings you, kick some grass over that crap and move on!

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 5:37 AM
Subject: Re: assigning custom label with jaws.

Ye, that might work, if only I could actually label the graphic.

 

pat

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Wednesday 22 July 2020 13:29
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: assigning custom label with jaws.

 

Have you tried settings your graphics settings to, Labeled graphics, in either quick settings, Insert + V, or in the application settings center, just to see if this would read the graphics better?


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Learn a lesson from your dog.  No matter what life brings you, kick some grass over that crap and move on!

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 3:16 AM

Subject: Re: assigning custom label with jaws.

 

Hi,

 

I have tried this with both jaws 2018 and 2020 (latest update).

My windows 10 is also totally up to date, as just checked this morning.

I have a buffalo link station that i am using for storage.

When you try to shut it down, or remove an external usb disk, a confirmation number is asked for.

There are four numbers in total that you have to enter, e.g. 1234.

The numbers present themselves on the screen as graphics.

They are read by jaws as:

“graphic number_1” “graphic_number2” “graphic_number3” and “graphic_number4”.

Obviously, these are pictures. This has been confirmed by my son.

The number sequence changes, it is not always the same number, but given that, so does the picture, as it has a different number.

In the old internet explorer, i was able to assign a custom label to these numbers.

Once my son helped me to go through each number from 0 to 9, the graphics were read out correctly, no matter what sequence they appeared in.

Now, with google chrome, ms edge and brave, there does not seem to be any way to set a custom label.

Jaws is telling me that this cannot be done.

It could be that the pictures are not clickable or something like that.

Can you only create a custom label for an element on a web page that is actionable?

If so, why would internet explorer allow this, and no chrome based browser will?

From what i have read, jaws should be able to create a custom label for anything whether it is actionable or not.

Surely, this is the point of these. If there is a graphic on a web site that you just want to know what it is, a custom label should be creatable.

Am i wrong?

If so, can anyone provide an idea as to how to overcome this?

At the moment, if i want to do anything with my link station, i have to wait until someone who can see is there.

Please do not tell me to get another nas, this is not an option.

 

Kind regards,

 

pat