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Re: Any thoughts on getting latest version of Firefox (78.0.1) to work better with older JFW (2018)?
Brian Blair <brianblair@...>
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On 7/14/2020 2:35 PM, Casey wrote:
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Re: JAWS and Zoom--gallery view
John Covici
What exactly are you trying to accomplish here? Maybe we could give
you better advise. On Tue, 14 Jul 2020 21:51:16 -0400, Rick Miller wrote: -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici wb2una covici@ccs.covici.com
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Re: Windows 10 question
On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 11:12 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Do NOT force Version 2004 (May 2020 Update) on your system unless you have clear justifications.And I'll second that advice!! The only reason I would force an update to Version 2004 at this point in time is if I had a machine that somehow never updated beyond 1803. At the moment Versions 1809, 1903, and 1909 remain in support. If you have Version 1809, when it is announced as officially going out of support (its length of support was extended secondary to the global pandemic) I would then manually trigger an update to Version 2004. For all others, either wait until: 1. The version you are on is announced as going out of support and you have not yet had the Version 2004 update apply. 2. Microsoft announces that Version 2004 is officially "good to go for everyone." I suspect it will be some months until this happens. Several of us have given the advice in the numbered list above for each and every feature update, just substituting the appropriate version number in place of 2004. Once the second feature update of 2020 is officially released, the advice will apply to triggering that update as well. The easiest way to think of this is there is absolutely no reason to rush a feature update if there is not a very good reason for doing so, and there is absolutely no reason not to force a feature update if for some reason your machine "became stuck" on a Windows 10 version that is going out of support (which circles back to creating a very good reason for triggering a feature update manually - as something about Windows Update on the machine that hasn't presented a feature update to the user over several feature updates is definitely broken). -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
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Re: Windows 10 question
Hi, A few weeks ago I wrote the following to members of a certain Windows 10 list: Do NOT force Version 2004 (May 2020 Update) on your system unless you have clear justifications. If you do check for updates and you get a message that your system isn’t quite ready for Version 2004, take the advice as is. May 2020 Update is still being deployed as Microsoft expands availability based on feedback and telemetry from early adopters. At the moment May 2020 Update is blocked on devices with certain software and hardware configurations. Also, there are reports that if you do upgrade using installation media, some people will get a message that the system being upgraded isn’t compatible with Version 2004. Cheers, Joseph
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Ketler
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 7:23 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Windows 10 question
I did mean 2004. I guess I will have to hire someone to fix this problem. The 2004 update is not here. This computer was bought new in 2018.
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From: Steve Matzura
19-09 update? Don't you mean 20-04?
Try this:
1. Press Windows Key + Shift +I to open the Windows Settings pane. 2. In the search field, type update and press the Down Arrow Key until you hear "Windows update," then press ENTER.
You're now in the dialog where you can do things like check for updates, pause updates for seven days, etc.
If you press the "Check for updates" button and your system tells you you're up to date, then there's something either on or in your system that can't be updated to the latest version of Windows 10, or any later versions than your current version for that matter.
You also may not be getting updated because during the hours you've chosen for those updates to be applied, your computer is off or offline. You can force the update(s) to happen by tabbing through the updates dialog and finding a list of available updates chosen for your system, then tabbing to the download or "install" button immediately after that list.
HTH
On 7/14/2020 6:17 PM, Gary Ketler wrote:
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Re: Windows 10 question
On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 10:54 PM, Gary Ketler wrote:
I guess I will have to hire someone to fix this problem.- Not necessarily. I know of very few who can't follow these instructions: Doing a Windows 10 Repair Install or Feature Update Using the Windows 10 ISO file -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
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Re: Windows 10 question
Gary Ketler
I did mean 2004. I guess I will have to hire someone to fix this problem. The 2004 update is not here. This computer was bought new in 2018.
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From: Steve Matzura
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 7:25 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Windows 10 question
19-09 update? Don't you mean 20-04?
Try this:
1. Press Windows Key + Shift +I to open the Windows Settings pane. 2. In the search field, type update and press the Down Arrow Key until you hear "Windows update," then press ENTER.
You're now in the dialog where you can do things like check for updates, pause updates for seven days, etc.
If you press the "Check for updates" button and your system tells you you're up to date, then there's something either on or in your system that can't be updated to the latest version of Windows 10, or any later versions than your current version for that matter.
You also may not be getting updated because during the hours you've chosen for those updates to be applied, your computer is off or offline. You can force the update(s) to happen by tabbing through the updates dialog and finding a list of available updates chosen for your system, then tabbing to the download or "install" button immediately after that list.
HTH
On 7/14/2020 6:17 PM, Gary Ketler wrote:
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Re: duck duck go browser
Margaret Thomas
Steve, Judy and All:
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I dug up my Chrome tutorial and was able to make DuckDuckGo the search engine.Am I done or do I need to download anything from DuckDuckGo? Thank you, Margaret
On 7/14/2020 9:10 PM, Margaret Thomas wrote:
Thanks, Judy. I saw Steve's post before yours and Google Chrome is my default browser. I think Google is currently the search engine, but must double check.
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Re: duck duck go browser
Margaret Thomas
Thanks, Judy. I saw Steve's post before yours and Google Chrome is my default browser. I think Google is currently the search engine, but must double check.
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On 7/14/2020 8:37 PM, Judy wrote:
Hi, Duck duck go is not a browser, it is a search engine. I use
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Re: duck duck go browser
Margaret Thomas
Thank you, Steve. I'm running a version of Firefox before 78 and with all the Firefox problems, I think it's best not to add anything to it in case it makes things worse. Chrome is my default browser. Before I try to do the Chrome equivalent of your instructions should I get the DuckDuckGo extension for Chrome? It looked like the extension was at the Google store and not on the DuckDuckGo page when I looked this morning. Is this correct?
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Your help is very much appreciated. Margaret
On 7/14/2020 8:19 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:
That's because it's not a browser. It's a search engine. The instructions talk about clicking on a magnifying glass in a search bar, but none of that is accessible to us screenreader user types. So instead, do this in Firefox, or the applicable thing in your Web browser of choice:
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Re: Braille Display still on while the computer is off
Michael Munn
I just discovered that. Member: Virginia Association of Blind Students National Federation of the Blind of Virginia Student of: Hadley Institute of the Blind
On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 7:14 PM Richard Turner <richardturner42@...> wrote:
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Re: JAWS and Zoom--gallery view
Rick Miller
So would that mean I would have to purchase a webcamera?
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Rick Miller
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 5:32 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: JAWS and Zoom--gallery view In the Zoom book from Carol Center it gives the keystrokes alt+f2, and to switch to speaker view is alt+f1. You can also tab to these settings, a third one being full screen. the book points out that if video is turned off, so are gallery view and speaker view. At 03:47 PM 7/14/2020, you wrote: I tried that too, but it didn't work.
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Re: duck duck go browser
Judy
Hi, Duck duck go is not a browser, it is a search engine. I use google
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chrome as my browser and duck duck tgo as my search engine. Judy
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Margaret Thomas Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 11:12 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: duck duck go browser Mike and All: It's been a long morning and I'm probably missing something obvious, but using the link in the post, I'm not finding a way of downloading DuckDuckGo as a browser on Windows 10 Pro with JAWS 2020. Google Chrome is my default browser. Am I correct that if, I want to make Chrome more private, I should get the DuckDuckGo Chrome extension? And it's at the Chrome store? And I don't need an extension for DuckDuckGo as a browser? Any help straightening me out will be greatly appreciated. Margaret On 6/24/2020 12:04 PM, Mike B wrote: Here you go:
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Re: JAWS and Zoom
Ann Byrne
The book is
Getting Started with Zoom Meetings: A Guide for JAWS, NVDA, and iPhone VoiceOver Users By Heather Thomas It costs $18, and is very helpful.
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Re: Windows 10 question
Steve Matzura
From https://insider.windows.com/en-us/articles/were-listening-to-you:
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As many of you know, the feature updates for Windows 10 occur twice a year. A feature update includes upgrading Windows to the latest version with enhanced features, security improvements, and more. A feature update is different from the quality updates that are release on Patch Tuesday. Quality updates are mostly security fixes and are installed after one reboot, whereas feature updates are installed in steps that require more than one reboot to complete. There are four phases in a feature update installation. Online phases occur while the device is being used and the operating system is running, which means tasks are happening in the background without disrupting you. Offline phases on the other hand can disrupt you, since the device can’t be used. For the Creators Update in April 2017, the average offline time for a user was about 82 minutes.
On 7/14/2020 7:28 PM, Mario wrote:
what is the difference between feature updates and quality updates?
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Re: JAWS and Zoom--gallery view
Ann Byrne
In the Zoom book from Carol Center it gives the keystrokes alt+f2, and to switch to speaker view is alt+f1. You can also tab to these settings, a third one being full screen. the book points out that if video is turned off, so are gallery view and speaker view.
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At 03:47 PM 7/14/2020, you wrote:
I tried that too, but it didn't work.
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Re: Windows 10 question
Steve Matzura
Oops, I meant Windows Key + I, no shift required.
On 7/14/2020 8:25 PM, Steve Matzura
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Re: Windows 10 question
Steve Matzura
19-09 update? Don't you mean 20-04?
Try this:
1. Press Windows Key + Shift +I to open the Windows Settings pane. 2. In the search field, type update and press the Down Arrow Key until you hear "Windows update," then press ENTER.
You're now in the dialog where you can do things like check for updates, pause updates for seven days, etc.
If you press the "Check for updates" button and your system tells you you're up to date, then there's something either on or in your system that can't be updated to the latest version of Windows 10, or any later versions than your current version for that matter.
You also may not be getting updated because during the hours you've chosen for those updates to be applied, your computer is off or offline. You can force the update(s) to happen by tabbing through the updates dialog and finding a list of available updates chosen for your system, then tabbing to the download or "install" button immediately after that list.
HTH
On 7/14/2020 6:17 PM, Gary Ketler
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Re: duck duck go browser
Steve Matzura
That's because it's not a browser. It's a search engine. The instructions talk about clicking on a magnifying glass in a search bar, but none of that is accessible to us screenreader user types. So instead, do this in Firefox, or the applicable thing in your Web browser of choice:
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1. Open Firefox. 2. Open the Tools menu with Alt plus T. 3. In the search field type: search engine and press ENTER. You could type just the word "search," but that yields too many choices. 4. If you like, read the resulting page, or just shortcut the whole process by finding the combo box that shows your current default search engine. 5. To change it, tap the space bar or press ENTER, then use the vertical (Up/Down) arrow keys to select Duck Duck Go, and press ENTER to close the combo box, which will save your change. All done.
On 7/14/2020 11:12 AM, Margaret Thomas wrote:
Mike and All:
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Re: Windows 10 question
Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
Feature updates take you from one version of Windows to another, such as from Windows 1909 to Windows 2004. Quality updates, or Cumulative updates may fix minor issues, or make minor changes, some not even moving you from one build to another, while other cumulative or quality updates will actually change the build number without changing the version number.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 4:28 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Windows 10 question what is the difference between feature updates and quality updates? -------- Original Message -------- From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@gmail.com] To: main@jfw.groups.io Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2020, 5:37 PM Subject: Windows 10 question On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 05:19 PM, Mario wrote: isn't it a bit redundant? At this point in time, and with the changes to how Feature Updates are applied, the answer to that is, "Yes." But, if one wishes to postpone other Windows Updates (and I think that critical updates are never able to be delayed) one can use those settings. The Pause for 7 days is just the default pause. It says right beneath if you wish to have a longer period then use the advanced features to set the time span (up to 35 days). In advanced settings you also have the option to postpone Feature Updates from even being presented for up to 1 year (365 days) and quality updates from being downloaded and applied for up to a month (30 days). -- Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 /The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it./ ~ Lawrence Krauss
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Re: Windows 10 question
David Moore
Hi there! Just hold down the windows key, and press r to open the run dialog. Dan tight winver and press enter. Jaws will read out the version and build of your Windows 10. Just press escape to get out of the run dialog. Have a great one!
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