main@jfw.groups.io

Re: Edge Tutorial?

Cory McMahon

#80364

Is edge accessible now?

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dani Pagador
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 6:03 PM
To: main <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Edge Tutorial?

Hi, Everyone.
I'm using JFW2018 with Win10 build 1903. Is there a tutorial for the Microsoft Edge browser?

I'd like to use Firefox, but it keeps squawking at me to update my screenreading software.

Thanks,
Dani

Edge Tutorial?

Dani Pagador

#80363

Hi, Everyone.
I'm using JFW2018 with Win10 build 1903. Is there a tutorial for the
Microsoft Edge browser?

I'd like to use Firefox, but it keeps squawking at me to update my
screenreading software.

Thanks,
Dani

Re: Edge question

Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND

#80362

Since the purpose of these lists is to provide help to each other, and the information provided by Brian was detailed and appeared to be very helpful, I do not see the point in criticizing those who provide valuable assistance.  All that does is discourage future contributions, possibly from that person or from others who might have thought of answering a question.

________________________________________
From: main@jfw.groups.io [main@jfw.groups.io] on behalf of Maria Campbell via groups.io [lucky1inct=gmail.com@groups.io]
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 10:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Edge question

BS.  You are not changing anything by not saying the words, because there is a difference, whether you acknowledge it or not.

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@gmail.com<mailto:lucky1inct@gmail.com>

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke

On 7/7/2020 8:35 PM, David Moore wrote:

Why did you have to point out that he can see? I do not think of people being blind or sighted! I do not like it when blind people do this all of the time. I do not even think about my blindness most of the time, and I don’t think of people being blind or sighted. I don’t like labels. people need to stop doing this!

On Tue, Jul 7, 2020, 7:45 PM Maria Campbell <lucky1inct@gmail.com<mailto:lucky1inct@gmail.com>> wrote:

I insulted you by saying you are sighted and young and smart?

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@gmail.com<mailto:lucky1inct@gmail.com>

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke

On 7/7/2020 6:51 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Maria,

            Please give up this kind of insulting rhetoric.  It's entirely uncalled for.

            I really don't care how old, or blind, or not tech savvy you are.  That makes not the slightest bit of difference that you, like all of us, have to go with the flow of the technology stream as it goes along.  You don't get to stop the world, nor do I, nor does anyone else.

            Given my track record here, and on a number of blindness related forums, your statements go beyond just insulting into outrageous.  I suggest you think, and a lot more deeply and carefully, before tossing out your baseless frustration at me as though that's justified.  It's not, period.  So stop.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss

Re: Edge question

Marty Hutchings

#80361

Brian has certainly helped me out of a jam or two here and I appreciate his help.

Love in Christ
Marty
If we view this present life as our primary goal, we will agree with William Shakespeare who said: “Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.” From TODAY IN THE WORD June 1, 2020

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-----Original Message----- 
From: Mario
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2020 8:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Edge question

I agree.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Don Walls [mailto:donwalls@telus.net]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Tuesday, July 7, 2020, 9:14 PM
Subject: Edge question
I find it disappointing that when Brian has merely stated a reality,
that all of us have to deal with change in tech, that others respond
with mean-spirited criticisms and put-downs.  Brian frequently responds
to listers’ problems with thoughtful, helpful responses, and I
appreciate his generous contributions.
Don
*From:* Randy Barnett
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 7, 2020 5:42 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Edge question

Well, It makes a huge difference in how they use a PC and what kind of
experience they have when dealing with changes in how a PC is laid out.
Ignoring the difference between the way we have to deal with PC compared
to a sighted person is naive and and smacks of political correctness.

On 7/7/2020 5:35 PM, David Moore wrote:

Why did you have to point out that he can see? I do not think of
people being blind or sighted! I do not like it when blind people do
this all of the time. I do not even think about my blindness most of
the time, and I don’t think of people being blind or sighted. I don’t
like labels. people need to stop doing this!


On Tue, Jul 7, 2020, 7:45 PM Maria Campbell <lucky1inct@gmail.com> wrote:

    I insulted you by saying you are sighted and young and smart?

    Maria Campbell
    lucky1inct@gmail.com

    All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do
nothing.
    --Edmund Burke

    On 7/7/2020 6:51 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
    Maria,

    Please give up this kind of insulting rhetoric.  It's entirely
    uncalled for.

    I really don't care how old, or blind, or not tech savvy you are.
    That makes not the slightest bit of difference that you, like all
    of us, have to go with the flow of the technology stream as it
    goes along. You don't get to stop the world, nor do I, nor does
    anyone else.

    Given my track record here, and on a number of blindness related
    forums, your statements go beyond just insulting into
    outrageous.  I suggest you think, and a lot more deeply and
    carefully, before tossing out your baseless frustration at me as
    though that's justified.  It's not, period.  So stop.
    --

    Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

    /The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to
    overcome it./
           ~ Lawrence Krauss

Re: how do I deletefolders from outlookand rename folders in outlook

Dan Longmore

#80360

Yes, correct, says “Favorites”

Dan

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steven Hicks
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 1:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: how do I deletefolders from outlookand rename folders in outlook

I Think that JAWS says favorites when you tab around to that tree view.

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: 08 July 2020 17:18
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: how do I deletefolders from outlookand rename folders in outlook

Hi,

In your navigation pane you can right click or use application key, and get a list of choices for folders. These include: rename, move, delete and others.

Note you cannot delete the “Inbox” folder from this method.

Dan

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon Ballantyne
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 9:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: how do I deletefolders from outlookand rename folders in outlook

Hi,

How do I delete folders from outlook running Microsoft 365, Latest JAWS 2020, latest Windows 10?

Is there a second step needed to do a permanent delete ?

Also what are the steps to rename a folder in Outlook with JAWS 2020?

Many thanks.

Sharon Ballantyne

Re: how do I deletefolders from outlookand rename folders in outlook

Steven Hicks

#80359

I Think that JAWS says favorites when you tab around to that tree view.

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: 08 July 2020 17:18
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: how do I deletefolders from outlookand rename folders in outlook

Hi,

In your navigation pane you can right click or use application key, and get a list of choices for folders. These include: rename, move, delete and others.

Note you cannot delete the “Inbox” folder from this method.

Dan

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon Ballantyne
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 9:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: how do I deletefolders from outlookand rename folders in outlook

Hi,

How do I delete folders from outlook running Microsoft 365, Latest JAWS 2020, latest Windows 10?

Is there a second step needed to do a permanent delete ?

Also what are the steps to rename a folder in Outlook with JAWS 2020?

Many thanks.

Sharon Ballantyne

Re: Sound Card Keep Awake Option

Steven Hicks

#80358

Thanks, that answsers my question.

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: 08 July 2020 17:52
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Sound Card Keep Awake Option

Hi Steven,

Are you asking about audio ducking? If so, read below.

Note: The new setting is explained after the 2 emails.
Original Message

From: Jessica D
Hi,

I’m curious why the option to have jaws not cutoff words, is only available when audio ducking is disabled.

I use audio ducking all the time, but would still love to be able to take advantage of this feature.

Thanks,

Jessica

From:
Bill White

Hi, Jessica. The reason the new setting in JAWS to keep sound cards awake is not enabled while Audio Ducking is enabled is because, while audio is being
ducked, another application is running which uses the sound card. If another application is using the sound card, that application will usually keep the
sound card awake, independently of JAWS.

Bill White

New Option to Keep Wireless Speakers and Sound Cards from Clipping Speech
When JAWS or Fusion Begins Speaking
Many modern Bluetooth headphones and speakers as well as some onboard sound
cards shut down when no audio is received in order to conserve battery. JAWS
now includes a new option, which when enabled, keeps these devices awake by
constantly playing silence. You will not hear anything, but your device will
remain active, resulting in more consistent speech. To enable this feature,
open Settings Center (INSERT+6) on the number row, press CTRL+SHIFT+D to
load
the default settings, and search for "Avoid speech cut off when using
Bluetooth headphones or some sound cards."

Note: The battery of your headphones/speakers could drain faster if you
choose to turn on this feature. This option is also not available if the
Audio
Ducking feature is enabled which lowers the audio volume of programs while
JAWS speaks.

Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----

From: Steven Hicks

To: Main@JFW.GROUPS.IO

Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2020 6:51 AM

Subject: Sound Card Keep Awake Option

Can anyone tell me where to find this new option please?

I Assume that it is disabled by default?

Re: Sound Card Keep Awake Option

Mike B

#80357

Hi Steven,

Are you asking about audio ducking? If so, read below.

Note: The new setting is explained after the 2 emails.
Original Message

From: Jessica D
Hi,

I’m curious why the option to have jaws not cutoff words, is only available when audio ducking is disabled.

I use audio ducking all the time, but would still love to be able to take advantage of this feature.

Thanks,

Jessica

From:
Bill White

Hi, Jessica. The reason the new setting in JAWS to keep sound cards awake is not enabled while Audio Ducking is enabled is because, while audio is being
ducked, another application is running which uses the sound card. If another application is using the sound card, that application will usually keep the
sound card awake, independently of JAWS.

Bill White

New Option to Keep Wireless Speakers and Sound Cards from Clipping Speech
When JAWS or Fusion Begins Speaking
Many modern Bluetooth headphones and speakers as well as some onboard sound
cards shut down when no audio is received in order to conserve battery. JAWS
now includes a new option, which when enabled, keeps these devices awake by
constantly playing silence. You will not hear anything, but your device will
remain active, resulting in more consistent speech. To enable this feature,
open Settings Center (INSERT+6) on the number row, press CTRL+SHIFT+D to
load
the default settings, and search for "Avoid speech cut off when using
Bluetooth headphones or some sound cards."

Note: The battery of your headphones/speakers could drain faster if you
choose to turn on this feature. This option is also not available if the
Audio
Ducking feature is enabled which lowers the audio volume of programs while
JAWS speaks.

Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Steven Hicks

To: Main@JFW.GROUPS.IO

Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2020 6:51 AM

Subject: Sound Card Keep Awake Option

Can anyone tell me where to find this new option please?

I Assume that it is disabled by default?

Re: Edge question

Dan Longmore

#80356

Hi,

Must be the heat or frustration with Corona but we are all so touchy and sensitive. For me I think we should protest the game “Blind Man’s Bluff”. Lol (Kidding, of course) 😊

Dan

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 10:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Edge question

BS. You are not changing anything by not saying the words, because there is a difference, whether you acknowledge it or not.

Maria Campbell

lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.

--Edmund Burke

On 7/7/2020 8:35 PM, David Moore wrote:

Why did you have to point out that he can see? I do not think of people being blind or sighted! I do not like it when blind people do this all of the time. I do not even think about my blindness most of the time, and I don’t think of people being blind or sighted. I don’t like labels. people need to stop doing this!
On Tue, Jul 7, 2020, 7:45 PM Maria Campbell <lucky1inct@...> wrote:
I insulted you by saying you are sighted and young and smart?
Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke
On 7/7/2020 6:51 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Maria,

Please give up this kind of insulting rhetoric. It's entirely uncalled for.

I really don't care how old, or blind, or not tech savvy you are. That makes not the slightest bit of difference that you, like all of us, have to go with the flow of the technology stream as it goes along. You don't get to stop the world, nor do I, nor does anyone else.

Given my track record here, and on a number of blindness related forums, your statements go beyond just insulting into outrageous. I suggest you think, and a lot more deeply and carefully, before tossing out your baseless frustration at me as though that's justified. It's not, period. So stop.
--
Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363
The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
~ Lawrence Krauss

Re: how do I deletefolders from outlookand rename folders in outlook

Dan Longmore

#80355

Hi,

In your navigation pane you can right click or use application key, and get a list of choices for folders. These include: rename, move, delete and others.

Note you cannot delete the “Inbox” folder from this method.

Dan

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon Ballantyne
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 9:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: how do I deletefolders from outlookand rename folders in outlook

Hi,

How do I delete folders from outlook running Microsoft 365, Latest JAWS 2020, latest Windows 10?

Is there a second step needed to do a permanent delete ?

Also what are the steps to rename a folder in Outlook with JAWS 2020?

Many thanks.

Sharon Ballantyne

Re: Edge question

Maria Campbell

#80354

BS. You are not changing anything by not saying the words, because there is a difference, whether you acknowledge it or not.

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke

On 7/7/2020 8:35 PM, David Moore wrote:

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Why did you have to point out that he can see? I do not think of people being blind or sighted! I do not like it when blind people do this all of the time. I do not even think about my blindness most of the time, and I don’t think of people being blind or sighted. I don’t like labels. people need to stop doing this!
On Tue, Jul 7, 2020, 7:45 PM Maria Campbell <lucky1inct@...> wrote:
I insulted you by saying you are sighted and young and smart?
Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke
On 7/7/2020 6:51 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Maria,

Please give up this kind of insulting rhetoric. It's entirely uncalled for.

I really don't care how old, or blind, or not tech savvy you are. That makes not the slightest bit of difference that you, like all of us, have to go with the flow of the technology stream as it goes along. You don't get to stop the world, nor do I, nor does anyone else.

Given my track record here, and on a number of blindness related forums, your statements go beyond just insulting into outrageous. I suggest you think, and a lot more deeply and carefully, before tossing out your baseless frustration at me as though that's justified. It's not, period. So stop.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
~ Lawrence Krauss

Sound Card Keep Awake Option

Steven Hicks

#80353

Can anyone tell me where to find this new option please?

I Assume that it is disabled by default?

Re: how do I deletefolders from outlookand rename folders in outlook

Shan Noyes

#80352

Hi:

I’m using the latest version of outlook.

And the commands are:

Alt o give you the folder ribbon. You can cursor down and left and right to get to the item you want or

Alt o then d f is for delete folder

Alt o then m f for move folder

Note if you create folders unless you change the setting they will be created inside the folder that you happen to be in at the time of the command.

Have a good day.

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon Ballantyne via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 7:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: how do I deletefolders from outlookand rename folders in outlook

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Hi,

How do I delete folders from outlook running Microsoft 365, Latest JAWS 2020, latest Windows 10?

Is there a second step needed to do a permanent delete ?

Also what are the steps to rename a folder in Outlook with JAWS 2020?

Many thanks.

Sharon Ballantyne

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Re: Edge question

Mario

#80351

I agree.

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-------- Original Message --------
From: Don Walls [mailto:donwalls@telus.net]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Tuesday, July 7, 2020, 9:14 PM
Subject: Edge question
I find it disappointing that when Brian has merely stated a reality,
that all of us have to deal with change in tech, that others respond
with mean-spirited criticisms and put-downs.  Brian frequently responds
to listers’ problems with thoughtful, helpful responses, and I
appreciate his generous contributions.
Don
*From:* Randy Barnett
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 7, 2020 5:42 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Edge question

Well, It makes a huge difference in how they use a PC and what kind of
experience they have when dealing with changes in how a PC is laid out.
Ignoring the difference between the way we have to deal with PC compared
to a sighted person is naive and and smacks of political correctness.

On 7/7/2020 5:35 PM, David Moore wrote:

Why did you have to point out that he can see? I do not think of
people being blind or sighted! I do not like it when blind people do
this all of the time. I do not even think about my blindness most of
the time, and I don’t think of people being blind or sighted. I don’t
like labels. people need to stop doing this!


On Tue, Jul 7, 2020, 7:45 PM Maria Campbell <lucky1inct@gmail.com> wrote:

    I insulted you by saying you are sighted and young and smart?

    Maria Campbell
    lucky1inct@gmail.com

    All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
    --Edmund Burke

    On 7/7/2020 6:51 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
    Maria,

    Please give up this kind of insulting rhetoric.  It's entirely
    uncalled for.

    I really don't care how old, or blind, or not tech savvy you are.
    That makes not the slightest bit of difference that you, like all
    of us, have to go with the flow of the technology stream as it
    goes along. You don't get to stop the world, nor do I, nor does
    anyone else.

    Given my track record here, and on a number of blindness related
    forums, your statements go beyond just insulting into
    outrageous.  I suggest you think, and a lot more deeply and
    carefully, before tossing out your baseless frustration at me as
    though that's justified.  It's not, period.  So stop.
    --

    Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

    /The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to
    overcome it./
           ~ Lawrence Krauss

how do I deletefolders from outlookand rename folders in outlook

Sharon Ballantyne

#80350

Hi,

How do I delete folders from outlook running Microsoft 365, Latest JAWS 2020, latest Windows 10?

Is there a second step needed to do a permanent delete ?

Also what are the steps to rename a folder in Outlook with JAWS 2020?

Many thanks.

Sharon Ballantyne

Re: Copying Selected Text

Richard Turner

#80349

Temporary place marker, control+windows+k

Go to the end of the area you want to copy, or to the beginning if you started at the end.

Press insert+space, then m.

Then, press control+c.

Go where you want to paste and hit control+v.

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dale Heltzer
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 6:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Copying Selected Text

Have you tried using temporary place markers, and the layer command select from marker to current position, *then copying?

Re: Copying Selected Text

Dale Heltzer

#80348

Have you tried using temporary place markers, and the layer command select from marker to current position, *then copying?

Re: Firefox is crashing a lot now for some reason

Richard B. McDonald

#80347

Thanks Shirley! Well, at least it’s not just me!

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shirley Tracy
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2020 3:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox is crashing a lot now for some reason

Richard,

I am also having a problem with Firefox crashing. It only recently began happening. I’m running JAWS 2020 and Windows 10. Today, I tried Edge again after preferring Firefox. And to my happy surprise, it seems to be working much better for me. I’m more inclined to stick with Edge.

Cheerfully,

Shirley Tracy

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 4:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox is crashing a lot now for some reason

Microsoft Edge does not crash but Firefox certainly does and I’m using the latest Firefox, Jaws 2020 and Windows 10 2004.

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 12:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox is crashing a lot now for some reason

Yes, here as well. I think it came with a new version of firefox. It has something to do with Jaws, I suspect because on one page where I can make it happen, it doesn't crash with nvda.

If anyone wants to have a crash with latest version of firefox go to www.cvstats.net and hit enter on country stats. Firefox will crash immediately.

On 7/7/2020 14:37, Richard B. McDonald wrote:

Hi!

Starting a few days ago, for some unknown reason Firefox is crashing a lot. I am using Windows 10 and JAWS 2020. Is anyone else experiencing this? Does anyone know why this might be happening? Is there a solution?

Thanks,
Richie

Re: Permanently activating Jaws screen shade

paul lemm

#80346

Hi everyone,

thanks everyone for your replies. It’s a shame it doesn’t seem like there is a built in feature/setting to turn it on permanently. Still the ability to turn of the display is still a handy feature and who knows maybe they’ll add in a permanent setting in some later version. at least there is a layered keystroke so it’s at least nice and easy to just turn on/off . Mario, I did see your reply/suggestion, I was really just hoping for a straight forward setting in Jaws somewhere, I’m not really sure how to amend the auto start commands in Jaws and I don’t want to accidently break jaws 😊 since I mainly use my desktop and only use the laptop occasionally (where screen shade would be used) I’ll just stick with manually turning the feature on/off, but thank you for your suggestion

Paul Lemm

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: 07 July 2020 19:18
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Permanently activating Jaws screen shade

Hi Paul,

To the best of my knowledge, no it can't be turned on permanently. For others that are unfamiliar with this Jaws feature it's explained below.

Note: This feature is only available with Jaws2018 & Newer, running Windows 10. I'm not sure, but possibly Windows 8.1 as well.

Jaws Key + Spacebar followed by F11 or Printscreen both toggle screen curtain on and off.

The screen shade setting does not appear in the Jaws Settings Center and is only accessible through the layered keystroke feature or, Jaws quick settings.

The layered keystroke feature is when you hold down the Insert key then press down the spacebar, let up on both keys, then press a third key to perform
a particular task.

In this case the layered keystroke to turn the, Screen Shade, On or Off task is below:

Hold down the Insert key, then press down the spacebar, now let up on both keys, and tap either the, Print Screen, key, or the, F11 key.

With each press of this keystroke sequence you will hear Jaws report either, Screen shade on or, Screenn shade off.

Since the Jaws screen shade feature isn't available in the Settings Center, and can be only accessed by the 2 ways mentioned above, here's the way to
check its current setting through Jaws quick settings:

BTW, whether you're in Explorer or a program, the screen shade setting is found in the General Options category of Jaws quick settings. So, when, in
or on, most places of your computer press, Insert + V, to open Jaws quick settings.
Down arrow until you hear Jaws report, General Options, and if Jaws reports that it's closed right arrow to open.
Now continue down arrowing until you hear Jaws report, Screen Shade, either checked or unchecked. Pressing the spacebar will toggle this setting on &
off, checked being, On, and unchecked being, Off.

If you make a settings change for this setting or others, then tab to the, Okay button, press enter to save your settings changes & close quick settings.

Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----

From: paul lemm via groups.io

To: jfw@groups.io

Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2020 7:56 AM

Subject: Permanently activating Jaws screen shade

Hi everyone,

I recently discovered Jaws has a screen shade function which turns off the display of your PC. It seems to be a temporary option however, as every time I restart my PC I have to reenable screen shade. I have tried both the layered key stroke and setting screen shade through quick settings , but as mentioned both seem to only activate jaws screen shade until I boot down my laptop. Does anyone know is there a way of setting jaws so screen shade is always on?

Paul Lemm

Re: Permanently activating Jaws screen shade

paul lemm

#80345

Hi Shan,

how NVDA get round this with their equivalent  feature (screen curtain), is
that it doesn't turn on the screen curtain feature until the desktop has
fully loaded , that way if there are any issues at start up the screen is
still turned on, it only turns off once NVDA and the desktop screen are
fully loaded.

Paul Lemm

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shan Noyes
Sent: 07 July 2020 20:36
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Permanently activating Jaws screen shade

As a developer and one who has supported users, I can understand why the
screen shade item has been set to have to be turned on.  If it was a
permanent setting what would happen is it would end up generating calls.
Because people would have their jaws starting up with the screen shade
enabled, and then say something happened on start up of jaws.  The screen
would be blank.  And there are a lot of users who would just ask a sighted
person can you see what's happening. Well the answer would be nothing
because the screen would be blank.

So from a support point of view it is better that it isn't an always on
feature.

Have a good day everyone.

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario via
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Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 1:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Permanently activating Jaws screen shade

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I was thinking, perhaps it would be possible to add the appropriate command
to the autostart function in the myextensions.jss file and hopefully it will
compile successfully. this way, screen curtian will be invoked everytime
JAWS is loaded or restarted.

the alternative would be is to turn the monitor off, but a laptop doesn't
have a power button or a way to turn it off. although I could be wrong, I
don't think so.
-------- Original Message --------
From: Mike B [mailto:mb69mach1@fastmail.com]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Tuesday, July 7, 2020, 2:18 PM
Subject: Permanently activating Jaws screen shade Hi Paul, To the best of my
knowledge, no it can't be turned on permanently.  For others that are
unfamiliar with this Jaws feature it's explained below.
Note:  This feature is only available with Jaws2018 & Newer, running Windows
10.  I'm not sure, but possibly Windows 8.1 as well.

   Jaws Key + Spacebar followed by F11 or Printscreen both toggle screen
curtain on and off.

The screen shade setting does not appear in the Jaws Settings Center and is
only accessible through the layered  keystroke feature or, Jaws quick
settings.

   The layered keystroke feature is when you  hold down the Insert key then
press down the spacebar, let up on both keys, then press a third key to
perform a particular task.

   In this case the layered keystroke to turn the, Screen Shade, On or Off
task is below:

   Hold down the Insert key, then press down the spacebar, now let up on
both keys, and tap either the, Print Screen, key,  or the, F11 key.

   With each press of this keystroke sequence you will hear Jaws report
either, Screen shade on or, Screenn shade off.

   Since the Jaws screen shade feature isn't available in the Settings
Center, and can be only accessed by the 2 ways mentioned above, here's the
way to check its current setting through Jaws quick settings:

   BTW,  whether you're in Explorer or a program, the screen shade setting
is found in the General Options category of Jaws quick settings. So, when,
in or on, most places of your computer press, Insert + V, to open Jaws quick
settings.
Down arrow until you hear Jaws report, General Options, and if Jaws reports
that it's closed right arrow to open.
   Now continue down arrowing until you hear Jaws report, Screen Shade,
either checked or unchecked.  Pressing the spacebar will toggle this setting
on & off, checked being, On, and unchecked being, Off.

   If you make a settings change for this setting or others, then tab to
the, Okay button, press enter to save your settings changes & close quick
settings.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please
everybody.
----- Original Message -----
*From:* paul lemm via groups.io <mailto:paul.lemm=sky.com@groups.io>
*To:* jfw@groups.io <mailto:jfw@groups.io>
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2020 7:56 AM
*Subject:* Permanently activating Jaws screen shade

Hi everyone,

I recently discovered Jaws has a screen shade function which turns off the
display of  your PC. It seems to be a temporary option however, as every
time I restart my PC I have to reenable screen shade. I have tried both the
layered key stroke and setting  screen shade through quick settings , but as
mentioned both seem to only activate  jaws screen shade until I boot down my
laptop. Does anyone know is there a way of setting jaws so screen shade is
always on?

Paul Lemm

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