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moderated Re: Edge question

Don Walls
 

I find it disappointing that when Brian has merely stated a reality, that all of us have to deal with change in tech, that others respond with mean-spirited criticisms and put-downs.  Brian frequently responds to listers’ problems with thoughtful, helpful responses, and I appreciate his generous contributions.
 
Don
 

From: Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 5:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Edge question
 

Well, It makes a huge difference in how they use a PC and what kind of experience they have when dealing with changes in how a PC is laid out. Ignoring the difference between the way we have to deal with PC compared to a sighted person is naive and and smacks of political correctness.

 

On 7/7/2020 5:35 PM, David Moore wrote:

Why did you have to point out that he can see? I do not think of people being blind or sighted! I do not like it when blind people do this all of the time. I do not even think about my blindness most of the time, and I don’t think of people being blind or sighted. I don’t like labels. people need to stop doing this!


On Tue, Jul 7, 2020, 7:45 PM Maria Campbell <lucky1inct@...> wrote:

I insulted you by saying you are sighted and young and smart?

 

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke
On 7/7/2020 6:51 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Maria,

            Please give up this kind of insulting rhetoric.  It's entirely uncalled for.

            I really don't care how old, or blind, or not tech savvy you are.  That makes not the slightest bit of difference that you, like all of us, have to go with the flow of the technology stream as it goes along.  You don't get to stop the world, nor do I, nor does anyone else.

            Given my track record here, and on a number of blindness related forums, your statements go beyond just insulting into outrageous.  I suggest you think, and a lot more deeply and carefully, before tossing out your baseless frustration at me as though that's justified.  It's not, period.  So stop.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Edge question

Randy Barnett
 

Well, It makes a huge difference in how they use a PC and what kind of experience they have when dealing with changes in how a PC is laid out. Ignoring the difference between the way we have to deal with PC compared to a sighted person is naive and and smacks of political correctness.


On 7/7/2020 5:35 PM, David Moore wrote:

Why did you have to point out that he can see? I do not think of people being blind or sighted! I do not like it when blind people do this all of the time. I do not even think about my blindness most of the time, and I don’t think of people being blind or sighted. I don’t like labels. people need to stop doing this!


On Tue, Jul 7, 2020, 7:45 PM Maria Campbell <lucky1inct@...> wrote:

I insulted you by saying you are sighted and young and smart?



Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke
On 7/7/2020 6:51 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Maria,

            Please give up this kind of insulting rhetoric.  It's entirely uncalled for.

            I really don't care how old, or blind, or not tech savvy you are.  That makes not the slightest bit of difference that you, like all of us, have to go with the flow of the technology stream as it goes along.  You don't get to stop the world, nor do I, nor does anyone else.

            Given my track record here, and on a number of blindness related forums, your statements go beyond just insulting into outrageous.  I suggest you think, and a lot more deeply and carefully, before tossing out your baseless frustration at me as though that's justified.  It's not, period.  So stop.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Edge question

David Moore
 

Why did you have to point out that he can see? I do not think of people being blind or sighted! I do not like it when blind people do this all of the time. I do not even think about my blindness most of the time, and I don’t think of people being blind or sighted. I don’t like labels. people need to stop doing this!


On Tue, Jul 7, 2020, 7:45 PM Maria Campbell <lucky1inct@...> wrote:

I insulted you by saying you are sighted and young and smart?



Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke
On 7/7/2020 6:51 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Maria,

            Please give up this kind of insulting rhetoric.  It's entirely uncalled for.

            I really don't care how old, or blind, or not tech savvy you are.  That makes not the slightest bit of difference that you, like all of us, have to go with the flow of the technology stream as it goes along.  You don't get to stop the world, nor do I, nor does anyone else.

            Given my track record here, and on a number of blindness related forums, your statements go beyond just insulting into outrageous.  I suggest you think, and a lot more deeply and carefully, before tossing out your baseless frustration at me as though that's justified.  It's not, period.  So stop.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Edge question

Randy Barnett
 

Maria He wont even use a PC with the monitor off to even have a clue what it is like for us and he does this on all the blind lists... Just ignore him that is what i had to do...

On 7/7/2020 4:45 PM, Maria Campbell wrote:

I insulted you by saying you are sighted and young and smart?



Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke
On 7/7/2020 6:51 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Maria,

            Please give up this kind of insulting rhetoric.  It's entirely uncalled for.

            I really don't care how old, or blind, or not tech savvy you are.  That makes not the slightest bit of difference that you, like all of us, have to go with the flow of the technology stream as it goes along.  You don't get to stop the world, nor do I, nor does anyone else.

            Given my track record here, and on a number of blindness related forums, your statements go beyond just insulting into outrageous.  I suggest you think, and a lot more deeply and carefully, before tossing out your baseless frustration at me as though that's justified.  It's not, period.  So stop.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Edge question

Maria Campbell
 

I insulted you by saying you are sighted and young and smart?



Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke
On 7/7/2020 6:51 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Maria,

            Please give up this kind of insulting rhetoric.  It's entirely uncalled for.

            I really don't care how old, or blind, or not tech savvy you are.  That makes not the slightest bit of difference that you, like all of us, have to go with the flow of the technology stream as it goes along.  You don't get to stop the world, nor do I, nor does anyone else.

            Given my track record here, and on a number of blindness related forums, your statements go beyond just insulting into outrageous.  I suggest you think, and a lot more deeply and carefully, before tossing out your baseless frustration at me as though that's justified.  It's not, period.  So stop.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Edge question

 

Maria,

            Please give up this kind of insulting rhetoric.  It's entirely uncalled for.

            I really don't care how old, or blind, or not tech savvy you are.  That makes not the slightest bit of difference that you, like all of us, have to go with the flow of the technology stream as it goes along.  You don't get to stop the world, nor do I, nor does anyone else.

            Given my track record here, and on a number of blindness related forums, your statements go beyond just insulting into outrageous.  I suggest you think, and a lot more deeply and carefully, before tossing out your baseless frustration at me as though that's justified.  It's not, period.  So stop.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Edge question

Maria Campbell
 

Brian, I am old, blind, and not terribly tech savvy.  You are sighted, much younger and much more tech intuitive than me.  Change doesn't come easy, so please stop being so glib about a state you may not really understand.


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke
On 7/7/2020 6:35 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 06:32 PM, Maria Campbell wrote:
That certainly works but what a far cry from the ease of creating favorites in IE.
Indeed, but IE's method died out, except under IE, a very, very long time ago.  Much like the Outlook Express concept of identities (I think that's what they called it) died, too.

Each and every one of us has suffered through the loss of certain features we've loved as time marches on.  Learning to let go tends to make one far less stressed.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Firefox is crashing a lot now for some reason

Shirley Tracy
 

Richard,

 

I am also having a problem with Firefox crashing. It only recently began happening. I’m running JAWS 2020 and Windows 10. Today, I tried Edge again after preferring Firefox. And to my happy surprise, it seems to be working much better for me. I’m more inclined to stick with Edge.

 

Cheerfully,

 

Shirley Tracy

 

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 4:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox is crashing a lot now for some reason

 

Microsoft Edge does not crash but Firefox certainly does and I’m using the latest Firefox, Jaws 2020 and Windows 10 2004.

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 12:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox is crashing a lot now for some reason

 

Yes, here as well.  I think it came with a new version of firefox.  It has something to do with Jaws, I suspect because on one page where I can make it happen, it doesn't crash with nvda.

 

If anyone wants to have a crash with latest version of firefox go to www.cvstats.net and hit enter on country stats.  Firefox will crash immediately.

 

 

On 7/7/2020 14:37, Richard B. McDonald wrote:

Hi!

 

Starting a few days ago, for some unknown reason Firefox is crashing a lot.  I am using Windows 10 and JAWS 2020.  Is anyone else experiencing this?  Does anyone know why this might be happening?  Is there a solution?

 

Thanks,

Richie

 


moderated Re: Edge question

 

On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 06:32 PM, Maria Campbell wrote:
That certainly works but what a far cry from the ease of creating favorites in IE.
Also, creating favorites within a browser is still a CTRL+D away.  I've generally recommended keeping Bookmarks/favorites manager open at all times as one of your tabs if you use these frequently.

Creating favorites in a folder is now a workaround for a built-in function of the browser.

I don't use bookmarks/favorites very frequently anymore due to browser history.  After I type a couple of characters of a given website the full URL generally shows up in the dropdown list below.  Now, mind you, I can see this and directly point and click, but down-arrowing is also possible, with enter to activate once you land on it.  And the sites you use most frequently tend to be at the very top of those history lists.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Edge question

 

On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 06:32 PM, Maria Campbell wrote:
That certainly works but what a far cry from the ease of creating favorites in IE.
Indeed, but IE's method died out, except under IE, a very, very long time ago.  Much like the Outlook Express concept of identities (I think that's what they called it) died, too.

Each and every one of us has suffered through the loss of certain features we've loved as time marches on.  Learning to let go tends to make one far less stressed.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Edge question

Maria Campbell
 


That certainly works but what a far cry from the ease of creating favorites in IE.


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke
On 7/7/2020 6:09 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 05:58 PM, Maria Campbell wrote:
but then I don't know what to do with the applications key to get that address into my favorites.
Once you're in the Favorites folder in File Explorer:

1. Create New Item, and that Item is a shortcut.  ALT+H,W,S

2. In the Create Shortcut dialog, first window, that opens, paste the URL you copied out of the Address Bar in to the Type the location of the item edit box.  Activate Next button.

3. Type the name you wish for the shortcut to be identified by in the Type a name for this shortcut edit box.  Activate Finish button.

There is now a shortcut in your Favorites folder for that webpage that has the name you gave it.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Edge question

 

On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 05:58 PM, Maria Campbell wrote:
but then I don't know what to do with the applications key to get that address into my favorites.
Once you're in the Favorites folder in File Explorer:

1. Create New Item, and that Item is a shortcut.  ALT+H,W,S

2. In the Create Shortcut dialog, first window, that opens, paste the URL you copied out of the Address Bar in to the Type the location of the item edit box.  Activate Next button.

3. Type the name you wish for the shortcut to be identified by in the Type a name for this shortcut edit box.  Activate Finish button.

There is now a shortcut in your Favorites folder for that webpage that has the name you gave it.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Edge question

Don Mauck
 

If you’ve done a Control C, then you can do a control V to paste the link into your favorites.

 

 

Regards:

 

Don Mauck | Senior Accessibility Evangelist | Accessibility Program Office |  (APO)

 

303.334.4184

Don.mauck@...

 

From: Maria Campbell <lucky1inct@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 3:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Edge question

 

I'm lost one I press control plus L to highlight address on Edge.  Then I open my favorites folder on desktop, but then I don't know what to do with the applications key to get that address into my favorites.

 

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke

On 7/7/2020 5:47 PM, David Moore wrote:

Alt plus D and control plus C

 

On Tue, Jul 7, 2020, 2:00 PM Madison Martin <maddymartin@...> wrote:

Hi all,
Using Jaws 2018, the latest Edge and Windows 10 can someone please tell me how
to get to the address bar so that I can select and copy it so that I can send it
to someone? I know how to do it with Internet Explorer, but I know that I can't
rely on IE forever. Any help is much appreciated!! Thanks
Madison




moderated Re: Edge question

Maria Campbell
 

I'm lost one I press control plus L to highlight address on Edge.  Then I open my favorites folder on desktop, but then I don't know what to do with the applications key to get that address into my favorites.



Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke
On 7/7/2020 5:47 PM, David Moore wrote:

Alt plus D and control plus C


On Tue, Jul 7, 2020, 2:00 PM Madison Martin <maddymartin@...> wrote:
Hi all,
Using Jaws 2018, the latest Edge and Windows 10 can someone please tell me how
to get to the address bar so that I can select and copy it so that I can send it
to someone? I know how to do it with Internet Explorer, but I know that I can't
rely on IE forever. Any help is much appreciated!! Thanks
Madison





moderated Re: Edge browser and favorites

 

On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 05:26 PM, David Griffith wrote:
The benefit if this approach is that it can be use from File Explorer across different incarnations of  default browsers and Windows installs
It's also just another way to save shortcuts in a folder, whether that folder is on the desktop or elsewhere.  There's never been anything wrong with doing that if it's a method that works for you.

If you happen to be using a browser that has a Create Shortcut option in its own menu, you can use that to quickly drop a shortcut on the desktop, then cut it from the desktop and paste it in your Favorites folder.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Edge question

David Moore
 

Alt plus D and control plus C


On Tue, Jul 7, 2020, 2:00 PM Madison Martin <maddymartin@...> wrote:
Hi all,
Using Jaws 2018, the latest Edge and Windows 10 can someone please tell me how
to get to the address bar so that I can select and copy it so that I can send it
to someone? I know how to do it with Internet Explorer, but I know that I can't
rely on IE forever. Any help is much appreciated!! Thanks
Madison





moderated Re: Edge browser and favorites

David Griffith
 

 

I agree – I have done this for years anyway.

The benefit if this approach is that it can be use from File Explorer across different incarnations of  default browsers and Windows installs.

Actually I keep my Favourites folder not only with a shortcut  on the Desktop but in DropBox where I access the same folder not only on Windows but iOS, Mac Os and in the past Android, I suspect it would still work there as well.

David Griffith

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Klaus Vielhauer
Sent: 07 July 2020 09:00
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Edge browser and favorites

 

Hello Brian,

 

tried the approach via the favorites manager - still quite cumbersome.

It seems to me that longterm maintaining the IE favorites file on the desktop is much more efficient:

I will still save the favorite in the Edge Browser with Control + d

Additionally however - and this is certainly more work

1. Go with control + l and copy the web address of the page in Edce

2. Open the IE favorites on the desktop

3. create new shortcut with the application menue.

After this I have the convienience of handling all subsequent accesses with keyboard searches etc from the desktop file.

Klaus

 

On 7/6/2020 4:58 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Now that NVDA is reinstalled, I find that I can't use first letter navigation in Favorites manager.  It's much faster to use the search feature to limit what shows up in the right side pane.  

It's very, very much like file explorer in layout, and if you know what you're looking for a couple of characters in the search box tends to really cut down on what's available in the actual favorites list in the right pane.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss

 


moderated Re: Firefox is crashing a lot now for some reason

Abraham Sweiss
 

I have been having the same issue with fire fox crashing on me for the past few days. I had to switch to using chrome.

Thanks,abraham 

On Jul 7, 2020, at 4:55 PM, Richard Turner <richardturner42@...> wrote:



Microsoft Edge does not crash but Firefox certainly does and I’m using the latest Firefox, Jaws 2020 and Windows 10 2004.

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 12:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox is crashing a lot now for some reason

 

Yes, here as well.  I think it came with a new version of firefox.  It has something to do with Jaws, I suspect because on one page where I can make it happen, it doesn't crash with nvda.

 

If anyone wants to have a crash with latest version of firefox go to www.cvstats.net and hit enter on country stats.  Firefox will crash immediately.

 

 

On 7/7/2020 14:37, Richard B. McDonald wrote:

Hi!

 

Starting a few days ago, for some unknown reason Firefox is crashing a lot.  I am using Windows 10 and JAWS 2020.  Is anyone else experiencing this?  Does anyone know why this might be happening?  Is there a solution?

 

Thanks,

Richie


moderated Re: Edge question

 

On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 03:48 PM, Pastor Gil Pries wrote:
With Edge open, press control l.
CTRL+I does nothing in new Chromium-based Edge, which will soon be the only Edge available.  If Madison was referring to the truly latest Edge, that's the Chromium-based Edge.

ALT+D reliably throws focus to, and selects the contents of, the address bar in virtually every modern browser.  You can then immediately hit CTRL+C to copy said contents.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Firefox is crashing a lot now for some reason

Richard Turner
 

Microsoft Edge does not crash but Firefox certainly does and I’m using the latest Firefox, Jaws 2020 and Windows 10 2004.

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 12:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox is crashing a lot now for some reason

 

Yes, here as well.  I think it came with a new version of firefox.  It has something to do with Jaws, I suspect because on one page where I can make it happen, it doesn't crash with nvda.

 

If anyone wants to have a crash with latest version of firefox go to www.cvstats.net and hit enter on country stats.  Firefox will crash immediately.

 

 

On 7/7/2020 14:37, Richard B. McDonald wrote:

Hi!

 

Starting a few days ago, for some unknown reason Firefox is crashing a lot.  I am using Windows 10 and JAWS 2020.  Is anyone else experiencing this?  Does anyone know why this might be happening?  Is there a solution?

 

Thanks,

Richie