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Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
So where do you download Free Speak, and is it for the PC as well as iPhone
Bill White billwhite92701@...
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2020 1:00 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Accessible EPUB reader for Windows 10
There are a number of options. Q Read - which is a paid application provides epub , PdF and mobi book support. . There are a number of Text to Speech based readers. Paid and unpaid.. For me the best by far is the free Speak On which has a range of excellent features for ePub reading in its confusingly named Text Publications app. This has as well as text , ePub support, including book marking , navigation levels, header and chapter navigation, on the fly control of book reading speed and volume and including a range of other features. You can even create a “virtual eBook” based on a search term which will pull out all the relevant sections of an ebook which is very useful for academic study. There is also full capacity to export to text to a word processor by simple copy and paste.
David Griffith On 28 Jun 2020, at 20:41, Joe <joet1226@...> wrote:
Does any one know of an accessible Windows 10 EPUB reader? I have some types of these files I would like to access on my PC. Joe Picture of Owl with Mortar Board and Computer Dr. Joe L. Todd CVRT Phone: 616.951.2142
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David Griffith
There are a number of options.
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Q Read - which is a paid application provides epub , PdF and mobi book support. . There are a number of Text to Speech based readers. Paid and unpaid.. For me the best by far is the free Speak On which has a range of excellent features for ePub reading in its confusingly named Text Publications app. This has as well as text , ePub support, including book marking , navigation levels, header and chapter navigation, on the fly control of book reading speed and volume and including a range of other features. You can even create a “virtual eBook” based on a search term which will pull out all the relevant sections of an ebook which is very useful for academic study. There is also full capacity to export to text to a word processor by simple copy and paste. David Griffith
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Re: android vs ios.
David Csercsics
Ok, that might work. I'll look at that the next time I'm doing a phone upgrade. Google was less than helpful. I have gotten good luck with BRLTTY on other Linux systems, so it should be fairly sane for Android, thanks.
I need to contact my carrier anyway, because they're blathering about upgrade offers, so I'll see what we come up with. What's a good current device that worked? I currently have a Brailliant BI 40, if that helps.
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Re: Accessible EPUB reader for Windows 10
Milton Ota
Hi,
If you have the most current version of Microsoft Edge browser it will open an epub file as well as pdf.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joe
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2020 2:42 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Accessible EPUB reader for Windows 10
Does any one know of an accessible Windows 10 EPUB reader? I have some types of these files I would like to access on my PC. Joe Picture of Owl with Mortar Board and Computer Dr. Joe L. Todd CVRT Phone: 616.951.2142
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Accessible EPUB reader for Windows 10
Joe
Does any one know of an accessible Windows 10 EPUB reader? I have some types of these files I would like to access on my PC. Joe Picture of Owl with Mortar Board and Computer Dr. Joe L. Todd CVRT Phone: 616.951.2142
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Re: Possible bug w/J2020 and Edge
David Kingsbury
Hi, Not sure why fixing this should even matter to you. Once a download is confirmed, all I care about is going to my Downloads folder on my PC to find it.
David
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Re: android vs ios.
Nermin
Hi, Glen,
no, people who purchased it can still install it, but it's not available on The Play Store anymore. Codefactory pulled the plug cause they thought that it was difficult to port to the 64 bit architecture that Google is demanding for newer phones, at least that's what I've read through various sources. Regards, Nermin
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Re: Sharing a printer
Glenn / Lenny
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In fact, I have an old d-Link router that has a
9-pin serial port in it for devices like printers.
But the old printer I had on my router five to ten
years back was a USB printer, and just a basic printer not designed for anything
but being plugged into a computer.
Glenn
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From: Glenn /
Lenny
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2020 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: Sharing a printer I don't think it needs to even know that it is on a
network, most printers are just a one-way device, and they only need to be
available to receive information.
I think the tricky part is the cable, a straight
through cable with no chip inside would be best, because a printer wouldn't know
how to manage a chip that are in many cables.
But once it is in the network and available, the
computer finding it in the network will send its print instructions to
it.
Glenn
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From: Randy
Barnett
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2020 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: Sharing a printer Randy Barnett
Can I get a USB to a Ethernet connector and
connect to the router?
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Glenn / Lenny
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I don't think it needs to even know that it is on a
network, most printers are just a one-way device, and they only need to be
available to receive information.
I think the tricky part is the cable, a straight
through cable with no chip inside would be best, because a printer wouldn't know
how to manage a chip that are in many cables.
But once it is in the network and available, the
computer finding it in the network will send its print instructions to
it.
Glenn
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From: Randy
Barnett
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2020 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: Sharing a printer Randy Barnett
Can I get a USB to a Ethernet connector and
connect to the router?
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Re: Sharing a printer
Randy Barnett
I don't think that will work unless you find some kind of USB to ethernet adapter that handles all the networking and translation to because your printer won't have any way of dealing with the network itself.
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Randy Barnett
On Jun 27, 2020, at 4:46 PM, Loy <loyrg2845@...> wrote:
Can I get a USB to a Ethernet connector and
connect to the router?
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Re: android vs ios.
Glenn / Lenny
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I haven't fired up my android for a while, are you
saying that I won't have Eloquence, or is it just not available to purchase any
more?
Thanks
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From: Leedy Diane
Bomar
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2020 6:41 AM
Subject: Re: android vs ios. Also there are several types of USB drives that allow for easy storage and
transfer of information between iPhones and other devices, including PCs. They
do self-load their own apps, and are not as straightforward to use as a Android
transfer of information, but, very doable.
Diane Bomar
On Jun 27, 2020, at 00:36, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:
I have both, and in terms of ease of use with
regard to the gestures, it is my opinion that the iPhone is much easier to
operate.
On the other hand, with Android, I can have
Eloquence for the voice, and I can simply copy and paste to and from my computer
to the Android phone.
With Android, you can get a USB adapter and plug in
a desktop keyboard or anything USB, you can't do that with IOS.
Glenn
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From: Patrick Murphy
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 1:23 AM
Subject: Re: android vs ios. hi folks,
i know that this is not the forum for this question, but maybe one of you good people might have some ideas as to where i should go. currently, i have an old nokia phone about 300 years of age. i have decided to take the great leap into the unknown and start using a modern tap screen phone. i have a samsung android phone with talkback on it, but it is proving to be somewhat of a trouble. i would say, that it is just because i am new to it, but web sites offering training tips seem to be non existent. also, the braille keyboard seems to be a bit of a pain. i also dont want to have to attach a keyboard to it, as this defeats the purpose of having a phone you can carry around with you. on the other hand, i have heard, that apple's voice over is much better. again, training seems to be the problem. i should be able to get my hands on an ifone. any thoughts? anyone prefer one over the other? cheers, pat
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Re: android vs ios.
Nermin
Hi, David,
if you're frustrated with Brailleback, I suggest you try https://brltty.app/ BRLTTY can be installed on any Android device. A friend of mine had bought an Actilino for its portability as a Braille display and keyboard, but constantly exchanging messages with Helptech and Google, testing versions of Brailleback and trying to stay current did not yield anything in the end. I convinced her to try out BRLTTY, and now she's loving it and discovering things she was never able to do with Brailleback and other Braille displays. For the latest Android version, just go to https://brltty.app/archive/Android/brltty-latest.apk For documentation on how to use BRLTTY on Android go to https://brltty.app/archive/Android/brltty-on-android.html The author is very helpful in figuring out key bindings and such. A list of Braille manufacturers and models can be found on their website. Hope this helps, Nermin
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Re: android vs ios.
On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 11:29 AM, Tyler Wood wrote:
And, for the end user, responsiveness of the screen reader is not effected, especially in 2020, from a $150 device to a $1000 one.A point on which I absolutely agree. It's not much unlike PCs in that regard. For what most users do, and I do mean most, hardware performance has outstripped the demands most end users even can put on it by a long shot. There are the odd niche power users who can and do tax hardware to its limits. Those are probably less than 5 percent of all users. As to 5G, based on what I've been hearing as someone who lives "in the hinterlands," it will be years, possible more than a decade, before 5G makes it to where I live. This is no huge issue for me, as 4G LTE is way more than fast enough for anything I do routinely. It will also make 5G technology on the phone side "old had" by the time it can even be used here. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
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Re: android vs ios.
Tyler Wood
Simbion was similar. Those phones were incredible workhorses – dare I say nicer than anything we have today. When a Nokia e71 could get days of battery while actually using it, combined with a really nice QWERTY keyboard built in. It unfortunately had an amazingly overpriced screen reader – but for its time, it was amazing, and still remains, along with flip phones, the batterylife king. It however was able to have things installed, like twitter, skype, along with a few other services. I never did get to look at Windows Mobile or PalmOS, which is unfortunate. I’m also of the opinion that, for most intents and purposes, Apple is very overpriced for what you actually get. They seem to do the exact opposite to their computers as they do with phones – a 6 year old potentially 10s of thousands of dollars Mac pro can be discontinued from receiving updates, despite its powerful processor, at the drop of a hat, simply because apple wants you to buy a new one. With Android, there is so much more of a variety in regards to price. And, for the end user, responsiveness of the screen reader is not effected, especially in 2020, from a $150 device to a $1000 one.
I’m waiting for 5g to really take off here to make any sort of judgement on that. It needs to become more widespread and the modems need to become less power hungry for me to care much about it, at this point. The cost isn’t worth it to me personally right now.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2020 10:18 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: android vs ios.
On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 07:27 AM, Leedy Diane Bomar wrote:
If ever there were an example of a false dichotomy, this is it. And that's not a criticism of iPhone, either. Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
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On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 07:27 AM, Leedy Diane Bomar wrote:
If you are a geekly kind of person, enjoying knowing where your files are stored, playing with questionable apps, and a techie that enjoys spending more time learning the various ways to manipulate the phone, vs. a person who wants to actually use the phone as a means to an end, Android would be the choice for you.If ever there were an example of a false dichotomy, this is it. And that's not a criticism of iPhone, either. There are myriad examples of where "actually using the phone as a means to an end" is greatly enhanced by having the capability to manipulate and customize the device itself. I don't think that anyone who's used both Apple products, whether phones or computers, and PC and Android products, could credibly make the claim that Apple allows the end user to make their own choices to nearly the extent that the other platforms do. No other company keeps a death grip on their ecosystems like Apple does. That, along with what I feel is gross overpricing for what you get, is why I do not favor Apple, and never have. I only wish the folks at Palm had been more prescient as smartphones appeared, as what had been PalmOS would have made an incredible operating system for smartphones. They recognized what was happening way too late, and all attempts to "get on the smartphone bandwagon" with PalmOS failed over time. (And the same thing played itself out in reverse with Windows Mobile. Microsoft was insane to even try to enter a market as entrenched as it already was when they decided to do so.) -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
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Re: android vs ios.
Leedy Diane Bomar
For clarification purposes, Eloquence is no longer available for Android use. Whenit was, it cost an additional $20, which was well worth the price.
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Also there are several types of USB drives that allow for easy storage and transfer of information between iPhones and other devices, including PCs. They do self-load their own apps, and are not as straightforward to use as a Android transfer of information, but, very doable. Diane Bomar
On Jun 27, 2020, at 00:36, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:
I have both, and in terms of ease of use with
regard to the gestures, it is my opinion that the iPhone is much easier to
operate.
On the other hand, with Android, I can have
Eloquence for the voice, and I can simply copy and paste to and from my computer
to the Android phone.
With Android, you can get a USB adapter and plug in
a desktop keyboard or anything USB, you can't do that with IOS.
Glenn
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From: Patrick Murphy
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 1:23 AM
Subject: Re: android vs ios. hi folks,
i know that this is not the forum for this question, but maybe one of you good people might have some ideas as to where i should go. currently, i have an old nokia phone about 300 years of age. i have decided to take the great leap into the unknown and start using a modern tap screen phone. i have a samsung android phone with talkback on it, but it is proving to be somewhat of a trouble. i would say, that it is just because i am new to it, but web sites offering training tips seem to be non existent. also, the braille keyboard seems to be a bit of a pain. i also dont want to have to attach a keyboard to it, as this defeats the purpose of having a phone you can carry around with you. on the other hand, i have heard, that apple's voice over is much better. again, training seems to be the problem. i should be able to get my hands on an ifone. any thoughts? anyone prefer one over the other? cheers, pat
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Leedy Diane Bomar
I have used an Apple phone since 2010, and started out with an iPhone 4. Last summer I purchased a Samsung 10E in order to develop a working knowledge of Android use and test apps for accessibility on that platform.
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I have a strong preference for apple phones for the following reasons: The Apple Accessibility team is available 24/7 via a toll-free number, and can screen share with your phone, and help with access issues primarily with their apps, but, general use, also. Apple develops the hardware and software, and, therefore, has consistency not available with Android. Apple stores provide one-on-one classes, group classes, and help from their "genius bar" at all Apple stores. The fact that the many acccessibility features are part of the operating system, and are available on all Apple products. One can customize the accessibility of an iPhone, including navigation and voice options easily from within iOS. The rotor on the iPhone allows for inclusion of various customizable controls. Apple vets the apps for inclusion in their app store. This makes the apps more secure, preventing embedded hackware and viruses that often are embedded in the Google play store. I personally like the goals of Apple, and their inclusive development philosophy. As Tim Cook says: "With Google, you are the product" meaning that Google values selling your information. I do everything with my iPhone, mail, podcasts, playing games, texting, facebook, etc. If you are a geekly kind of person, enjoying knowing where your files are stored, playing with questionable apps, and a techie that enjoys spending more time learning the various ways to manipulate the phone, vs. a person who wants to actually use the phone as a means to an end, Android would be the choice for you. My background is in software development and engineering, but, I use my phone for the benefits of accessing the world outside the phone, not just to play with the various configurations. I don't care where the files are stored. Both platforms offer the ability to transfer files from one device to another, (phone to phone, phone to/from PC or MAC) ICloud offers the ability to use the phone and other Apple devices, seamlessly. IOS has a great choice of voices to be used with Voiceover and it is easy to change them on the fly, through the rotor. I can pick up any Apple phone and use it without needing sighted assistance. Texting other Apple users offer benefits not available with SMS. My Android experience has been frustrating, at best. The virtual keyboard experience has been inconsistent and frustrating. Figuring out which TTS to use, downloading it, installing it, and learning its various quirks and features has been difficult. I admit to being biased because I want to use Android in ways I have learned to use iOS. Use and availability of the various phones, and their versions of the Android operating system vary greatly, and obtaining support or having a quick answer to an accessibility question is more time-consuming and stressful. Ultimately, I would like to learn how to write code to enhance the accessibility of 3rd party apps. Apple has good and substantial information for devs to include accessibility features in the apps they are developing. Please feel free to contact me privately if you would like to discuss your questions. Diane.bomar@... Or text 512-484-5485. Of late, I have not been checking my email as often, as I used to, as other priorities have developed, and I am on too many lists, which take a considerable amount of time to read. HTH, and good luck, Diane Bomar
On Jun 27, 2020, at 01:33, David Moore <jesusloves1966@...> wrote:
I use both an Android phone with Talkback and an iPhone with voice over! It was just as hard to learn Voiceover as it was to learn Talkback. Also Android 11, which will come out in the fall, will have a lot of the same multi-finger gestures as Voiceover. Android is better because you can use third party apps instead of using just what Apple will let you use. You can customize your Android phone much more, and what do you know, Ios 14 is adding the app drawer just like android. IOS 14 is taking from Android and Google. What range of phone are you using? please join the ANATAD list. It standds for Android apps news talk and deals. On Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 2:23 AM Patrick Murphy <murphy.patrick42@...> wrote:
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Rod
This has been an excellent discussion, though I believe the fallacy here is
in comparing Android to Apple, which is simply not a fair comparison given the
diversity of phones on the Android platform.
In my view, Apple vs. Samsung Galaxy S5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, and above provide
an equal accessible experience. I would venture to say the same for using
Android with Google phones. They each have their pros and cons. However, beyond
that, when you start to consider other manufactures, then the comparison falls
on its face.
I use a Galaxy S9 with Samsung’s Voice Assistant, and I frankly have not
noticed any issues with this setup. In fact- I use Voice Assistant because of
the simplicity of the gestures. The premium TTS provided by Samsung are second
to none, in my view. There isn’t anything I have wanted to do with my phone that
I have not been able to do, including entering text using my fingers.
Some manufactures do not implement much accessibility on their Android
phones. So, if you compare those phones with an Apple phone, then of course, the
experience will obviously not be the same. It would be a more helpful discussion
to allow users to know which one of those manufactures to avoid when considering
an Android phone as oppose to the platform itself.
At the end of the day, you should choose the phone that makes you happy and
productive. But do not simply avoid Samsung and Google phones based on
inaccurate information.
Rod Alcidonis, Esq.
From: Sean
Murphy
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2020 5:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: android vs ios. There is many levels you can look at the differences of Android VS Apple. The underlying Accessibility model, the SDK model, the user interface, the fragmentation of the market of versions, how different models work. As I use both for testing and as an user. Let me touch upon both. I am not going to say which one is better. As this comes down to your own personal usage and needs. Some users find Android or Apple is better for their needs.
The biggest issue all both mobile platforms have is the range of object (controls) available in the SDK. A control/object is an edit, button, link, ETC. In the accessibility world they call them roles. Android calls them types. Apple call them trades. An example where a role is missing is lists box or list views. In an email program, you never know if you are on message 25 of 100. Windows and Mac you get this information. Another example is radio buttons. Doesn’t exist on mobile. These are just two examples.
End of the day, you need to really spend some time with both devices to see which one works for you. This is the hardest bit to do. Statistically in Australia majority of Low vision and Blind users use Apple. It is over 60%. I think Android has about 17%. That is the other consideration. I don’t know if this is the same case in other countries.
Sean
I am pretty happy with Android but I don’t honestly use my phone all that much. I’ve thought of trying to connect my braille display but haven’t bothered, especially now that I have a laptop…everything I’ve heard so far suggests that it can be done but that it’s quite a painful process, and I’m not that patient. I’m not a fan of Apple as a company so I will probably never acquire one of their products (though they made my first computer in the 80s, an Apple Ii E, they were a different company then…)
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main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
No one has mentioned the breill support on the android is no where as good as the I Phone. Jonathon Moson still thinks the Android phones are behind in both the screen reader and the breill support. On 6/26/2020 11:23 PM, Patrick Murphy wrote:
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Sean Murphy
There is many levels you can look at the differences of Android VS Apple. The underlying Accessibility model, the SDK model, the user interface, the fragmentation of the market of versions, how different models work. As I use both for testing and as an user. Let me touch upon both. I am not going to say which one is better. As this comes down to your own personal usage and needs. Some users find Android or Apple is better for their needs.
The biggest issue all both mobile platforms have is the range of object (controls) available in the SDK. A control/object is an edit, button, link, ETC. In the accessibility world they call them roles. Android calls them types. Apple call them trades. An example where a role is missing is lists box or list views. In an email program, you never know if you are on message 25 of 100. Windows and Mac you get this information. Another example is radio buttons. Doesn’t exist on mobile. These are just two examples.
End of the day, you need to really spend some time with both devices to see which one works for you. This is the hardest bit to do. Statistically in Australia majority of Low vision and Blind users use Apple. It is over 60%. I think Android has about 17%. That is the other consideration. I don’t know if this is the same case in other countries.
Sean
I am pretty happy with Android but I don’t honestly use my phone all that much. I’ve thought of trying to connect my braille display but haven’t bothered, especially now that I have a laptop…everything I’ve heard so far suggests that it can be done but that it’s quite a painful process, and I’m not that patient. I’m not a fan of Apple as a company so I will probably never acquire one of their products (though they made my first computer in the 80s, an Apple Ii E, they were a different company then…)
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
No one has mentioned the breill support on the android is no where as good as the I Phone. Jonathon Moson still thinks the Android phones are behind in both the screen reader and the breill support. On 6/26/2020 11:23 PM, Patrick Murphy wrote:
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Re: Scripts for JFW and Dragon?
Dean Martineau <topdot@...>
JawBone is long dead, replaced by J-Say.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 11:11 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Scripts for JFW and Dragon?
Hay, Didn’t there use to be a program called JAWBONES that was supposed to work between JAWS and Dragon?
Love in Christ
Dean, Thanks for making me aware of this as I did not realize that the Dictationbridge scripts for JAWS were in such an unfinished state. I hope that the project team makes this clear on their Web site. David Goldfield,Blindness Assistive Technology SpecialistJAWS Certified, 2019 WWW.DavidGoldfield.orgOn 6/24/2020 7:25 AM, Dean Martineau wrote:
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