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Re: Scanning with Open book versus JAWS
Dean Martineau <topdot@...>
I don't think OpenBook is the equal of Kurzweil 1000. Neither product is really being developed, but I'm glad I have K1000, because when I tried OpenBook, results weren't as good. Reading books is far easier with one of these programs, or perhaps a desktop off-the-shelf program, than with a phone.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Loy Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 5:47 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Scanning with Open book versus JAWS I use my IPhone with Voice dream Scanner for quick scans of mail or to quickly find out what an item on my desk is. It is remarkably accurate . But for important items I do use a flat bed scanner. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Goldfield" <david.goldfield@outlook.com> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 4:58 PM Subject: Re: Scanning with Open book versus JAWS Honestly, my opinion is that scanning material with a flatbed scanner is
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Re: excel - defining names
Joe
Hello, You almost got everything right but the syntax.
This was the method that Dan Clark suggested from Vispero. Picture of Owl with Mortar Board and Computer Dr. Joe L. Todd CVRT Phone: 616.951.2142
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Juan Hernandez
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 6:01 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: excel - defining names
HI All,
I am trying to make my excel spreadsheet read the column names and row names when using the jaws+alt+shift+r or C commands that jaws provides.
So I did the following:
First I went to column a1, where it says product name Then I hit alt+m, m, d which loads the define names dialog box and typed product name. I then pressed ok, and when I go down the colllumn and hit jaws+alt+shift+c it says no column name
Can someone please advise me as to what I’m doing wrong?
Best,
juan
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Re: Podcast, New Feature
JM Casey
Huh…well, that is interesting indeed. Does anyone actually use their computer in portrait mode? Even most laptop screens are not shaped like phone screens and you’d think that would also make everything display very weirdly.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shan Noyes
Sent: June 11, 2020 10:05 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Podcast, New Feature Importance: High
The interesting thing is that the issue doesn’t show up on all laptops using the Realtek drivers. I have a HP laptop and it is running windows 10 1909 haven’t pulled down or had the latest version pushed to me yet, but I’ve never had this sound problem.
But if you want to read on I’ll tell you about an issue I had with my laptop when I upgraded to windows 10 18.03 version. It’s a weird story and the solution was insane. But it fixed my issues. I actually worked with Freedom Scientific, and it was the accessibility folks at Microsoft the tier 3 folks who solved it.
My laptop is a fully loaded system 20 gb of ram 5.1 surround sound with a touch screen.
Yes, I know I didn’t need some of these features like the h HG screen but the system came with dual AC wireless and I loved the keyboard action. I’m a little picky when it comes to the keyboard and so tested out lots of systems before purchasing one.
Anyways, my system worked fine with windows 10 17.09. however, after upgrading to the 18.03 release I discovered a very annoying bug.
The keyboard echo worked fine as long as I was working on the desktop or in a ms office product. When you typed the characters would be spoken correctly. Or words for that matter.
However, when one launched an internet browser to go to the web suddenly the keyboard echo was insane. When you hit a character it did not report the character properly. E.g. hit the letter w and it might say r
The interesting thing was if you went back and reviewed what you had typed the characters were reported as expected.
I thought maybe it was a keyboard driver. It wasn’t. Microsoft the first folks checked that. no the driver was upto date. We then checked the sound drivers they were up to date.
Note: this browser issue happened with narrator as well.
So the tier I folks ended up passing me to the tier 2 folks. They checked things out as well. No good. So they passed me back to the tier 3 folks.
So had to set up a time for the tier 3 folks to call me. When they did we set up a remote session so they could come on to my laptop. And with in 5 minutes the issue was fixed.
Hold it wait!!!!
I bet none of you will guess what the solution was. I still shake my head when thinking about it. But the solution just goes to show you how interrelated the windows code is.
The solution was to lock my screen into land scape mode. As soon as we did this, everything worked fine. In any web browser when a person hit the letter w it said w. etc.
So that’s my weird solution and story about windows10.
Have a good day everyone.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Homuth via groups.io
------------------------------------------------------------- That’s very common especially with Dell laptops, but basically anything with a Realtek driver. My solution was a registry tweak. Not sure if it will survive a driver update, but I haven’t had the problem since I changed the required entries, so I’m good.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shan Noyes
Yes, what is happening is to save power some sound card drivers are putting the card into a sleep or shutdown mode and so when Jaws goes to send info to the sound card it has to wake up. This isn’t happening to everyone. The solution was a small program was written that continually sends something to the card to keep it active. And that way it didn’t have to wake up.
In the June release of Jaws they are going to build this feature of keeping the card awake as an option that a person can turn on if they are experiencing the issue.
Have a good day.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES) via groups.io
------------------------------------------------------------- Hi,
Not sure if anyone has listened to the latest podcast but there was an option mentioned for some laptops that cut off the first part of speech with bluetooth headphones, did anyone listen to this?
Steven Hicks. Servicedesk 2 Team Leader. Tel: 01209 318620. Mobile: 07393 792548. EMail: Steven.Hicks@....
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excel - defining names
Juan Hernandez
HI All,
I am trying to make my excel spreadsheet read the column names and row names when using the jaws+alt+shift+r or C commands that jaws provides.
So I did the following:
First I went to column a1, where it says product name Then I hit alt+m, m, d which loads the define names dialog box and typed product name. I then pressed ok, and when I go down the colllumn and hit jaws+alt+shift+c it says no column name
Can someone please advise me as to what I’m doing wrong?
Best,
juan
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Re: Scanning with Open book versus JAWS
Loy <loyrg2845@...>
I use my IPhone with Voice dream Scanner for quick scans of mail or to quickly find out what an item on my desk is. It is remarkably accurate . But for important items I do use a flat bed scanner.
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From: "David Goldfield" <david.goldfield@outlook.com> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 4:58 PM Subject: Re: Scanning with Open book versus JAWS Honestly, my opinion is that scanning material with a flatbed scanner is always going to be a bit easier than using a phone unless you have a stand that can position your phone in a stationary location. Even then starting a scanner from a PC keyboard and using that keyboard to quickly save a document or copy and paste that scanned text into another document is, at least for me, a much faster and more efficient experience. There may be others who feel differently about this and I'd be interested in hearing their perspective.
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Re: Scanning with Open book versus JAWS
Glenn / Lenny
See if it is available in device
manager.
Either go directly to device manager and type scanner
in the edit field, or from the windows key edit field, type in scanner and
select scanners and cameras and make sure Windows is aware of the
device.
Glenn
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From: Ed
Culpepper
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: Scanning with Open book versus JAWS When I click “Acquire” my computer announces “ Finished – Failed to recognize text.” The scanner has not operated at all at this point. I have only 1 scanner and it is recognized in the “Convenient OCR” “Cameras and Scanners” dialog. Any ideas why the scanner is not engaged or suggestions I might try to produce scanning?
J Edward Culpepper, PhD Huntsville, Alabama
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Re: Scanning with Open book versus JAWS
Ed Culpepper
When I click “Acquire” my computer announces “ Finished – Failed to recognize text.” The scanner has not operated at all at this point. I have only 1 scanner and it is recognized in the “Convenient OCR” “Cameras and Scanners” dialog. Any ideas why the scanner is not engaged or suggestions I might try to produce scanning?
J Edward Culpepper, PhD Huntsville, Alabama
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Re: Scanning with Open book versus JAWS
Van Lant, Robin
I haven’t had as much luck scanning more complicated documents with columns or charts using the JAWS OCR. I tend to open them using K1000 if it’s more complicated. I only use VoiceDream Scanner on my phone for quick things I need to read and it’s true that it works best with a stand.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
CJ &AA MAY
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 11:15 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Scanning with Open book versus JAWS
I haven’t as yet explored this ability within Jaws. Could someone give me a quick overview? Alison
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Richard Turner
That is the difference between a stand-alone $1000 piece of software and a free built-in utility. I suppose, if you don’t mind extra stuff, you could take a screen shot after you do the Jaws scan.
Richard "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Alan Robbins
Just learned about being able to scan a document with JAWS layered keystroke (jaws key and spacebar, then o, then a) This is great to simply read some text and to save text. However, I see no way to scan and save as an image (i.e. jpg) This is an option in open book. Thoughts? Al 127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114 If you prefer not to receive future e-mail offers for products or services from Key, send an email to mailto:DNERequests@... with 'No Promotional E-mails' in the SUBJECT line.
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Re: Scanning with Open book versus JAWS
Glenn / Lenny
When I was working my supervisor always laughed at me because I preferred to
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use my flat bed scanner and did not feel the need for the agency to buy me a pearl scanner. I think a flat bed scanner will always give a better picture than a camera of any type. Although the flat bed scanner is still a camera. That has always puzzled me, if flat bed scanners get better cameras inside as time goes on, or if they basically keep the same technology. Glenn
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From: "David Goldfield" <david.goldfield@outlook.com> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 3:58 PM Subject: Re: Scanning with Open book versus JAWS Honestly, my opinion is that scanning material with a flatbed scanner is always going to be a bit easier than using a phone unless you have a stand that can position your phone in a stationary location. Even then starting a scanner from a PC keyboard and using that keyboard to quickly save a document or copy and paste that scanned text into another document is, at least for me, a much faster and more efficient experience. There may be others who feel differently about this and I'd be interested in hearing their perspective. On 6/11/2020 4:26 PM, David Csercsics wrote: While we're on this topic, how does things like OpenBook compare to
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Re: Scanning with Open book versus JAWS
David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
Honestly, my opinion is that scanning material with a flatbed scanner is always going to be a bit easier than using a phone unless you have a stand that can position your phone in a stationary location. Even then starting a scanner from a PC keyboard and using that keyboard to quickly save a document or copy and paste that scanned text into another document is, at least for me, a much faster and more efficient experience. There may be others who feel differently about this and I'd be interested in hearing their perspective.
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On 6/11/2020 4:26 PM, David Csercsics wrote:
While we're on this topic, how does things like OpenBook compare to scanning apps for the phone, or things like envision AI?
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Re: Podcast, New Feature
Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES) <steven.hicks@...>
Well after a long search, I found what I think is the registry settings but it is very complicated and involves hex values. If you don’t use hex values, it won’t work and I have an example to set it from the default of 3 seconds to 60 but I wanted something less, I wanted something like 2 minutes so I guess I am going to have to find the hex for 120 which is the setting for 120 second = two minutes and test that otherwise I think it will drain the battery big time.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: 11 June 2020 14:41 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Podcast, New Feature
That’s very common especially with Dell laptops, but basically anything with a Realtek driver. My solution was a registry tweak. Not sure if it will survive a driver update, but I haven’t had the problem since I changed the required entries, so I’m good.
From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Shan Noyes
Yes, what is happening is to save power some sound card drivers are putting the card into a sleep or shutdown mode and so when Jaws goes to send info to the sound card it has to wake up. This isn’t happening to everyone. The solution was a small program was written that continually sends something to the card to keep it active. And that way it didn’t have to wake up.
In the June release of Jaws they are going to build this feature of keeping the card awake as an option that a person can turn on if they are experiencing the issue.
Have a good day.
From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES) via groups.io
------------------------------------------------------------- Hi,
Not sure if anyone has listened to the latest podcast but there was an option mentioned for some laptops that cut off the first part of speech with bluetooth headphones, did anyone listen to this?
Steven Hicks. Servicedesk 2 Team Leader. Tel: 01209 318620. Mobile: 07393 792548. EMail: Steven.Hicks@....
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Re: Scanning with Open book versus JAWS
David Csercsics
While we're on this topic, how does things like OpenBook compare to scanning apps for the phone, or things like envision AI?
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Re: Scanning with Open book versus JAWS
David Griffith
Does Jaws OCR have a book mode scanning like in Open Book or other scanners, that is single key activation of next page scan using something like the spacebar? David Griffith
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From: Ron Pelletier
Sent: 11 June 2020 17:58 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Scanning with Open book versus JAWS
Hi Alan,
You can scan using JAWS in the newer versions but it sure is not up to snuff to equal Openbook. It will scan a document but you couldn’t ever do with it what students and working people need. Vispero give as an excuse not to update OpenBook that they would rather continue to develop JAWS scanning abilities rather than updating OpenBook. They haven’t updated it in years and, where does that leave those of us who purchased it a high price.
Ron & Danvers
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Robbins
Just learned about being able to scan a document with JAWS layered keystroke (jaws key and spacebar, then o, then a) This is great to simply read some text and to save text. However, I see no way to scan and save as an image (i.e. jpg) This is an option in open book. Thoughts? Al
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Re: Scanning with Open book versus JAWS
Alan Robbins
Alison,
Here are some suggestions I saved from list member, Mike B:
How to scan files using a scanning device with the Jaws OCR feature. Steps are below. This will only work with JAWS2018 and newer.
Best, Al
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of CJ &AA MAY
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 1:15 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Scanning with Open book versus JAWS
I haven’t as yet explored this ability within Jaws. Could someone give me a quick overview? Alison
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
That is the difference between a stand-alone $1000 piece of software and a free built-in utility. I suppose, if you don’t mind extra stuff, you could take a screen shot after you do the Jaws scan.
Richard "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Robbins
Just learned about being able to scan a document with JAWS layered keystroke (jaws key and spacebar, then o, then a) This is great to simply read some text and to save text. However, I see no way to scan and save as an image (i.e. jpg) This is an option in open book. Thoughts? Al
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Re: Identifying Capitalized Words in MS Word
kevin meyers
Is it possible to have capitalized letters be spoken with a different pitch when I just arrow through the document in Word? I did add to the pitch for all voices and it will speake with a higher pitch if I read the line with the jaws key and up arrow.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Chen
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 11:53 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Identifying Capitalized Words in MS Word
Awesome. This works. Thanks Mike.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Hi Richard,
Try the following to see if this setting change will help you with what you're trying to do:
1. While in Word press, Insert + 6, on the number row to open, Word Settings Center.
2. Down arrow to, Say all closed, and right arrow to open.
3. Down arrow to, Indicate Caps during Say All not checked, and press the spacebar to check this option.
4. Tab to, Apply , press the spacebar, now tab to, Okay , and press enter to save / close.
----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Chen Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 8:56 PM Subject: Identifying Capitalized Words in MS Word
Hello,
I’m using MS Word, and I am trying to figure out if the Jaws sound schemes can be customized so that an entire word with the initial letter capitalized can be identified by pitch change or other sound? I know that the sound schemes can help you identify the first letter when a word is capitalized but when I’m proofreading documents as an attorney using “say all” I need to be able to identify if words in a sentence are capitalized more efficiently.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you
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Re: Scanning with Open book versus JAWS
Ann Byrne
K1000 saves works better for me than Openbook or JAWS
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At 12:03 PM 6/11/2020, you wrote:
Maybe Open Book needs no further development.
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Re: Scanning with Open book versus JAWS
CJ &AA MAY
I haven’t as yet explored this ability within Jaws. Could someone give me a quick overview? Alison
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: 11 June 2020 15:24 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Scanning with Open book versus JAWS
That is the difference between a stand-alone $1000 piece of software and a free built-in utility. I suppose, if you don’t mind extra stuff, you could take a screen shot after you do the Jaws scan.
Richard "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Robbins
Just learned about being able to scan a document with JAWS layered keystroke (jaws key and spacebar, then o, then a) This is great to simply read some text and to save text. However, I see no way to scan and save as an image (i.e. jpg) This is an option in open book. Thoughts? Al
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Re: Scanning with Open book versus JAWS
Glenn / Lenny
Maybe Open Book needs no further
development.
If there are suggestions for improving OB, maybe
they would add them to it.
Glenn
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From: Ron
Pelletier
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: Scanning with Open book versus JAWS Hi Alan,
You can scan using JAWS in the newer versions but it sure is not up to snuff to equal Openbook. It will scan a document but you couldn’t ever do with it what students and working people need. Vispero give as an excuse not to update OpenBook that they would rather continue to develop JAWS scanning abilities rather than updating OpenBook. They haven’t updated it in years and, where does that leave those of us who purchased it a high price.
Ron & Danvers
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Alan Robbins
Just learned about being able to scan a document with JAWS layered keystroke (jaws key and spacebar, then o, then a) This is great to simply read some text and to save text. However, I see no way to scan and save as an image (i.e. jpg) This is an option in open book. Thoughts? Al
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Re: Scanning with Open book versus JAWS
Ron Pelletier
Hi Alan,
You can scan using JAWS in the newer versions but it sure is not up to snuff to equal Openbook. It will scan a document but you couldn’t ever do with it what students and working people need. Vispero give as an excuse not to update OpenBook that they would rather continue to develop JAWS scanning abilities rather than updating OpenBook. They haven’t updated it in years and, where does that leave those of us who purchased it a high price.
Ron & Danvers
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Robbins
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 8:14 AM To: JFWList <jfw@groups.IO> Subject: Scanning with Open book versus JAWS
Just learned about being able to scan a document with JAWS layered keystroke (jaws key and spacebar, then o, then a) This is great to simply read some text and to save text. However, I see no way to scan and save as an image (i.e. jpg) This is an option in open book. Thoughts? Al
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Re: Scanning with Open book versus JAWS
Dan Longmore
Hi, After scanning with JAWS OCR select the text in the JAWS viewer, copy and paste to a document. Possible workaround.
Dan
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Robbins
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 8:14 AM To: JFWList <jfw@groups.IO> Subject: Scanning with Open book versus JAWS
Just learned about being able to scan a document with JAWS layered keystroke (jaws key and spacebar, then o, then a) This is great to simply read some text and to save text. However, I see no way to scan and save as an image (i.e. jpg) This is an option in open book. Thoughts? Al
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