Honestly, my opinion is that scanning material with a flatbed scanner is
always going to be a bit easier than using a phone unless you have a stand
that can position your phone in a stationary location. Even then starting
a scanner from a PC keyboard and using that keyboard to quickly save a
document or copy and paste that scanned text into another document is, at
least for me, a much faster and more efficient experience. There may be
others who feel differently about this and I'd be interested in hearing
their perspective.


On 6/11/2020 4:26 PM, David Csercsics wrote:

While we're on this topic, how does things like OpenBook compare to
scanning apps for the phone, or things like envision AI?

HI All,

I am trying to make my excel spreadsheet read the column names and row names when using the jaws+alt+shift+r or C commands that jaws provides.

So I did the following:

First I went to column a1, where it says product name

Then I hit alt+m, m, d which loads the define names dialog box and typed product name.

I then pressed ok, and when I go down the colllumn and hit jaws+alt+shift+c it says no column name

Can someone please advise me as to what I’m doing wrong?

Best,

juan

The interesting thing is that the issue doesn’t show up on all laptops  using the Realtek  drivers.  I have a HP laptop and it is running windows 10 1909 haven’t pulled down or had the latest version pushed to me yet, but I’ve never had this sound problem.

But if you want to read on I’ll tell you about an issue I had with my laptop when I upgraded to windows 10 18.03 version.  It’s a weird story and the solution was insane. But it fixed my issues.  I actually worked with Freedom Scientific, and it was the accessibility folks at Microsoft the tier 3 folks who solved it.

My laptop is a fully loaded system 20 gb of ram 5.1 surround sound with a touch screen. 

Yes, I know I didn’t need some of these features like the h HG screen but the system came with dual AC wireless and I loved the keyboard action.  I’m a little picky when it comes to the keyboard and so tested out lots of systems before purchasing one.

Anyways, my system worked fine with windows 10 17.09.  however, after upgrading to the 18.03 release I discovered a very annoying bug.

The keyboard echo worked fine as long as I was working on the desktop or in a ms office product.  When you typed the characters would be spoken correctly.  Or words for that matter. 

However, when one launched an internet browser to go to the web suddenly the keyboard echo was insane.  When you hit a character it did not report the character properly.  E.g. hit the letter w and it might say r

The interesting thing was if you went back and reviewed what you had typed the characters were reported as expected.

I thought maybe it was a keyboard driver.  It wasn’t. Microsoft the first folks checked that.  no the driver was upto date.  We then checked the sound drivers they were up to date.

Note: this browser issue happened with narrator as well.

So the tier I folks ended up passing me to the tier 2 folks.  They checked things out as well. No good.  So they passed me back to the tier 3 folks.

So had to set up a time for the tier 3 folks to call me.  When they did we set up a remote session so they could come on to my laptop.  And with in 5 minutes the issue was fixed.

Hold it wait!!!!

I bet none of you will guess what the solution was.  I still shake my head when thinking about it.  But the solution just goes to show you how interrelated the windows code is.

The solution was to lock my screen into land scape mode.  As soon as we did this, everything worked fine.  In any web browser when a person hit the letter w it said w. etc.

So that’s my weird solution and story about windows10.

Have a good day everyone.

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Honestly, my opinion is that scanning material with a flatbed scanner is always going to be a bit easier than using a phone unless you have a stand that can position your phone in a stationary location. Even then starting a scanner from a PC keyboard and using that keyboard to quickly save a document or copy and paste that scanned text into another document is, at least for me, a much faster and more efficient experience. There may be others who feel differently about this and I'd be interested in hearing their perspective.


On 6/11/2020 4:26 PM, David Csercsics wrote:

While we're on this topic, how does things like OpenBook compare to scanning apps for the phone, or things like envision AI?

I haven’t as yet explored this ability within Jaws. Could someone give me a quick overview?

Alison

That is the difference between a stand-alone $1000 piece of software and a free built-in utility.

I suppose, if you don’t mind extra stuff, you could take a screen shot after you do the Jaws scan.

Just learned about being able to scan a document with JAWS layered keystroke (jaws key and spacebar, then o, then a)

This is great to simply read some text and to save text. However, I see no way to scan and save as an image (i.e. jpg) This is an option in open book. Thoughts?

Al

While we're on this topic, how does things like OpenBook compare to
scanning apps for the phone, or things like envision AI?

While we're on this topic, how does things like OpenBook compare to scanning apps for the phone, or things like envision AI?

That’s very common especially with Dell laptops, but basically anything with a Realtek driver. My solution was a registry tweak. Not sure if it will survive a driver update, but I haven’t had the problem since I changed the required entries, so I’m good.

Yes, what is happening is to save power some sound card drivers are putting the card into a sleep or shutdown mode and so when Jaws goes to send info to the sound card it has to wake up.  This isn’t happening to everyone.  The solution was a small program was written that continually sends something to the card to keep it active. And that way it didn’t have to wake up.

In the June release of Jaws they are going to build this feature of keeping the card awake as an option that a person can turn on if they are experiencing the issue.

Have a good day.

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Hi Alan,

You can scan using JAWS in the newer versions but it sure is not up to snuff to equal Openbook. It will scan a document but you couldn’t ever do with it what students and working people need. Vispero give as an excuse not to update OpenBook that they would rather continue to develop JAWS scanning abilities rather than updating OpenBook. They haven’t updated it in years and, where does that leave those of us who purchased it a high price.  

Ron & Danvers

Just learned about being able to scan a document with JAWS layered keystroke (jaws key and spacebar, then o, then a)

This is great to simply read some text and to save text. However, I see no way to scan and save as an image (i.e. jpg) This is an option in open book. Thoughts?

Al

I haven’t as yet explored this ability within Jaws. Could someone give me a quick overview?

Alison

That is the difference between a stand-alone $1000 piece of software and a free built-in utility.

I suppose, if you don’t mind extra stuff, you could take a screen shot after you do the Jaws scan.

Just learned about being able to scan a document with JAWS layered keystroke (jaws key and spacebar, then o, then a)

This is great to simply read some text and to save text. However, I see no way to scan and save as an image (i.e. jpg) This is an option in open book. Thoughts?

Al

Awesome. This works. Thanks Mike.

Hello,

I’m using MS Word, and I am trying to figure out if the Jaws sound schemes can be customized so that an entire word with the initial letter capitalized can be identified by pitch change or other sound? I know that the sound schemes can help you identify the first letter when a word is capitalized but when I’m proofreading documents as an attorney using “say all” I need to be able to identify if words in a sentence are capitalized more efficiently.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you

Maybe Open Book needs no further development.
If there are suggestions for improving OB, maybe they would add them to it.
Glenn
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From: <mailto:ron.pelletier@sympatico.ca>Ron Pelletier
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: Scanning with Open book versus JAWS

Hi Alan,

You can scan using JAWS in the newer versions but it sure is not up to snuff to equal Openbook. It will scan a document but you couldn't ever do with it what students and working people need. Vispero give as an excuse not to update OpenBook that they would rather continue to develop JAWS scanning abilities rather than updating OpenBook. They haven't updated it in years and, where does that leave those of us who purchased it a high price.

Ron & Danvers

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Robbins
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 8:14 AM
To: JFWList <jfw@groups.IO>
Subject: Scanning with Open book versus JAWS

Just learned about being able to scan a document with JAWS layered keystroke (jaws key and spacebar, then o, then a)
This is great to simply read some text and to save text. However, I see no way to scan and save as an image (i.e. jpg) This is an option in open book. Thoughts?
Al

That is the difference between a stand-alone $1000 piece of software and a free built-in utility.

I suppose, if you don’t mind extra stuff, you could take a screen shot after you do the Jaws scan.

Just learned about being able to scan a document with JAWS layered keystroke (jaws key and spacebar, then o, then a)

This is great to simply read some text and to save text. However, I see no way to scan and save as an image (i.e. jpg) This is an option in open book. Thoughts?

Al

Just learned about being able to scan a document with JAWS layered keystroke (jaws key and spacebar, then o, then a)

This is great to simply read some text and to save text. However, I see no way to scan and save as an image (i.e. jpg) This is an option in open book. Thoughts?

Al

Just learned about being able to scan a document with JAWS layered keystroke (jaws key and spacebar, then o, then a)

This is great to simply read some text and to save text. However, I see no way to scan and save as an image (i.e. jpg) This is an option in open book. Thoughts?

Al