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Hello Chris,


the Image program that is included  in Windows does not work in case of a harddisk failure.

I am looking for a solution that also covers such a problem.

Klaus


On 6/10/2020 12:50 AM, Chris Hill wrote:

I gave Up on them five years ago for an accessibility try image for windows instead

On Jun 9, 2020, at 17:38, Klaus Vielhauer <vielhau@t-online.de> wrote:

Hello,

at the install screen there is no speech and I had to stop.

Does anyone use this program successfully?

Thanks

Klaus

On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 02:26 PM, Dan Longmore wrote:

Windows Defender is a strong anti virus program and while paid ones may have stronger points

Dan, what follows is not a criticism of what you've said, which is 100% accurate, but an addition.  Any other product, paid or free (at least potentially), may do better than Windows Security does with a given thing.  That's shown time and again in formal tests where each and every major security suite product changes position, often from the last test to the current one, because one of the things tested that's given more weight than others improves in one product while staying the same in others.

This is one reason why any statement that product X is better than product Y, without any qualifications, and regardless of the product, is nothing more than an opinion.  You need to be able to identify what it is that's better, and why, between X and Y across all significant dimensions, how you weight those, and that product X is better across a majority of them before you can declare it better with any objectivity.

I can, and have, given my subjective opinions about what I like best, but that does not make it "best for all users and situations."  I generally try to describe what my criteria were.

So, I'll repeat myself, as I've posted this before.  But the closest thing you (any you) are going to find that are at least somewhat objective measures of the effectiveness of a given security suite across multiple dimensions/functions is to look at the reports from testing labs, and not just the latest one, but going back at least a year, preferably two, to see how the various products have changed places over time, and how the different testers weight things differently such that one declares suite X superior to suite Y while another says just the opposite, but both place them in the top tier of products.  There are no simple declarations with regard to security software.

See the most recent plus the last several years of historical test results from:

AV Test

AV Comparatives

SE Labs  (Reports Page)

MRG Effitas  (360 Protection Testing Category)

This article from Quietman7, a security expert at BleepingComputer.com, makes for interesting reading, too, and directly pertains to the sorts of testing referenced above:  Reflections on Antivirus/Antimalware Testing & Comparisons

 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss

For me, I’m very happy with the ESET suite of products. I’ve never been a victim of Malware or any other virus. While free is nice and Windows Defender works well enough, I’m very glad o take the extra protection I  very happy with ESET.

From: Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 1:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Antivirus software.

On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 02:26 PM, Dan Longmore wrote:

Windows Defender is a strong anti virus program and while paid ones may have stronger points

Dan, what follows is not a criticism of what you've said, which is 100% accurate, but an addition.  Any other product, paid or free (at least potentially), may do better than Windows Security does with a given thing.  That's shown time and again in formal tests where each and every major security suite product changes position, often from the last test to the current one, because one of the things tested that's given more weight than others improves in one product while staying the same in others.

This is one reason why any statement that product X is better than product Y, without any qualifications, and regardless of the product, is nothing more than an opinion.  You need to be able to identify what it is that's better, and why, between X and Y across all significant dimensions, how you weight those, and that product X is better across a majority of them before you can declare it better with any objectivity.

I can, and have, given my subjective opinions about what I like best, but that does not make it "best for all users and situations."  I generally try to describe what my criteria were.

So, I'll repeat myself, as I've posted this before.  But the closest thing you (any you) are going to find that are at least somewhat objective measures of the effectiveness of a given security suite across multiple dimensions/functions is to look at the reports from testing labs, and not just the latest one, but going back at least a year, preferably two, to see how the various products have changed places over time, and how the different testers weight things differently such that one declares suite X superior to suite Y while another says just the opposite, but both place them in the top tier of products.  There are no simple declarations with regard to security software.

See the most recent plus the last several years of historical test results from:

AV Test

AV Comparatives

SE Labs  (Reports Page)

MRG Effitas  (360 Protection Testing Category)

This article from Quietman7, a security expert at BleepingComputer.com, makes for interesting reading, too, and directly pertains to the sorts of testing referenced above:  Reflections on Antivirus/Antimalware Testing & Comparisons

 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss

Hi. I'm actually surprised that MalwareBytes is still maintaining the

1.7 branch. While it's true that some future versions may have had some

accessibility challenges the 4.x version which I last tried three months

was reasonably accessible. It might be worth installing it to see how

well it performs, considering that its capabilities have certainly

improved since V1.7.

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 6/6/2020 7:00 PM, David Griffith wrote:

> I have heard a lot about how Windows Defender has improved.  So much so I

> abandoned the ESET Smart security subscription I had because of

> deteriorating accessibility.

> I have however kept my old 1.7 version of Malwarebytes going and resisted

> program upgrade to maintain accessibility although I let the virus database

> keep up to date.

> Thank goodness I did. During the last week Malwarebytes identified a Trojan

> on my laptop that Windows Defender  was completely oblivious of despite my

> performing a complete Windows Defender scan after the Malwarebytes alert.

> I turned to Windows Defender as Initially Malwarebytes was struggling and

> failing to quarantine this Trojan threat.

> On investigation it had infected   one of the plug-in directories of

> Videoland VLC. Uninstalling VLC did not succeed in removing the offending

> files and predictably trying to delete  these files manually also failed as

> Windows identified them as being used by another process.

> Eventually a full scan by Malwarebyte was able to remove this trojan from my

> registry in memory and I was finally able to also delete the offending VLC

> directories as a failsafe.

> What was more concerning was the fact that Windows Defender was completely

> unaware of this problem and failed to react.

> David Griffith

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of david Jennette

> Sent: 06 June 2020 23:37

> To: jfw@groups.io

> Subject: Antivirus software.

> 

> Hi. I've asked this a few years ago but I figured it's time to ask again do

> to things changing. I'm wondering if Windows defender is still the most

> accessible antivirus software or if there are others now that work well with

> Jaws. Thanks.

> 

> 

> 

> 

>

> 

I gave Up on them five years ago for an accessibility try image for windows instead

On Jun 9, 2020, at 17:38, Klaus Vielhauer <vielhau@t-online.de> wrote:

Hello,

at the install screen there is no speech and I had to stop.

Does anyone use this program successfully?

Thanks

Klaus

Hi, David.

As others have already said Microsoft Defender/Windows Security is certainly accessible. In my opinion its interface isn't necessarily the most intuitive but all controls are well labeled and the program is easy to learn, particularly if you explore it thoroughly.

Kaspersky Antivirus has some accessibility with NVDA on its task manager and settings screens, with poor accessibility on the program's main screen. When using JAWS accessibility on the main screen is just about nonexistent when attempting to navigate with tab and shift+tab. For best results I'd recommend using the touch cursor if you use JAWS. When using NVDA object navigation will be almost essential, particularly on the program's main screen. Its installer went from being 100% accessible in 2015 to 100% inaccessible in later versions. However, installing it is definitely possible if you know how to make use of your screen reader's OCR functions since all you really need to do is to keep pressing enter to activate the Next button. At one point the installer downloads most of its components and you'll need to use OCR to know when this process has completed. Again, your screen reader's OCR features will be your friend during this process. Alternatively, you can use an app or service on a smart phone to assist you with this such as Seeing AI, Envision AI, Be My Eyes or AIRA. AIRA has the additional benefit of allowing an agent to remotely access and control your computer using Teamviewer, if needed.

I wrote a review of using Kaspersky with NVDA on my blog. While the post was written several years ago it's still fairly accurate as Kaspersky, for better or worse, has not changed very much in the past five years.

Symantec Endpoint Protection is extremely accessible. However, I think this program may be more for corporate users and I don't know how the Norton products for home users are doing these days when it comes to accessibility. I first used Norton Antivirus in 1999 and, like many programs from that time, it used standard controls and was 100% accessible. Around 2000 or so the interface changed to more of an HTML environment and so it was very different but still accessible. It has been years since I've used a Norton product.

MalwareBytes, as of a few months ago when I last tried it, was reasonably accessible as long as you use tab and shift-tab to navigate with it.

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

Hi. I’ve asked this a few years ago but I figured it’s time to ask again do to things changing. I’m wondering if Windows defender is still the most accessible antivirus software or if there are others now that work well with Jaws. Thanks.

You can do it on the fly with CTRL windows key and either page up or
page down. Another way to do it is through the startup wizard.

Hi. I’ve asked this a few years ago but I figured it’s time to ask again do to things changing. I’m wondering if Windows defender is still the most accessible antivirus software or if there are others now that work well with Jaws. Thanks.