I gave Up on them five years ago for an accessibility try image for windows instead

On Jun 9, 2020, at 17:38, Klaus Vielhauer <vielhau@t-online.de> wrote:

Hello,

at the install screen there is no speech and I had to stop.

Does anyone use this program successfully?

Thanks

Klaus

Hi, David.

As others have already said Microsoft Defender/Windows Security is certainly accessible. In my opinion its interface isn't necessarily the most intuitive but all controls are well labeled and the program is easy to learn, particularly if you explore it thoroughly.

Kaspersky Antivirus has some accessibility with NVDA on its task manager and settings screens, with poor accessibility on the program's main screen. When using JAWS accessibility on the main screen is just about nonexistent when attempting to navigate with tab and shift+tab. For best results I'd recommend using the touch cursor if you use JAWS. When using NVDA object navigation will be almost essential, particularly on the program's main screen. Its installer went from being 100% accessible in 2015 to 100% inaccessible in later versions. However, installing it is definitely possible if you know how to make use of your screen reader's OCR functions since all you really need to do is to keep pressing enter to activate the Next button. At one point the installer downloads most of its components and you'll need to use OCR to know when this process has completed. Again, your screen reader's OCR features will be your friend during this process. Alternatively, you can use an app or service on a smart phone to assist you with this such as Seeing AI, Envision AI, Be My Eyes or AIRA. AIRA has the additional benefit of allowing an agent to remotely access and control your computer using Teamviewer, if needed.

I wrote a review of using Kaspersky with NVDA on my blog. While the post was written several years ago it's still fairly accurate as Kaspersky, for better or worse, has not changed very much in the past five years.

Symantec Endpoint Protection is extremely accessible. However, I think this program may be more for corporate users and I don't know how the Norton products for home users are doing these days when it comes to accessibility. I first used Norton Antivirus in 1999 and, like many programs from that time, it used standard controls and was 100% accessible. Around 2000 or so the interface changed to more of an HTML environment and so it was very different but still accessible. It has been years since I've used a Norton product.

MalwareBytes, as of a few months ago when I last tried it, was reasonably accessible as long as you use tab and shift-tab to navigate with it.

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

Hi. I’ve asked this a few years ago but I figured it’s time to ask again do to things changing. I’m wondering if Windows defender is still the most accessible antivirus software or if there are others now that work well with Jaws. Thanks.

You can do it on the fly with CTRL windows key and either page up or
page down. Another way to do it is through the startup wizard.

Hi. I’ve asked this a few years ago but I figured it’s time to ask again do to things changing. I’m wondering if Windows defender is still the most accessible antivirus software or if there are others now that work well with Jaws. Thanks.

I have heard a lot about how Windows Defender has improved. So much so I
abandoned the ESET Smart security subscription I had because of
deteriorating accessibility.
I have however kept my old 1.7 version of Malwarebytes going and resisted
program upgrade to maintain accessibility although I let the virus database
keep up to date.
Thank goodness I did. During the last week Malwarebytes identified a Trojan
on my laptop that Windows Defender was completely oblivious of despite my
performing a complete Windows Defender scan after the Malwarebytes alert.
I turned to Windows Defender as Initially Malwarebytes was struggling and
failing to quarantine this Trojan threat.
On investigation it had infected one of the plug-in directories of
Videoland VLC. Uninstalling VLC did not succeed in removing the offending
files and predictably trying to delete these files manually also failed as
Windows identified them as being used by another process.
Eventually a full scan by Malwarebyte was able to remove this trojan from my
registry in memory and I was finally able to also delete the offending VLC
directories as a failsafe.
What was more concerning was the fact that Windows Defender was completely
unaware of this problem and failed to react.
David Griffith





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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of david Jennette
Sent: 06 June 2020 23:37
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Antivirus software.

Hi. I've asked this a few years ago but I figured it's time to ask again do
to things changing. I'm wondering if Windows defender is still the most
accessible antivirus software or if there are others now that work well with
Jaws. Thanks.

Hi,

You can use malware bites, it is about 90% accessible, and mostly useable, and it is a very strong anti-virus software, most prefer it ove others. Yes windows defender is the most accessible, but if you want a better antivirus, that is accessible 90% of the time and is much more secure than windows defender, I would go for malware bites.

On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 8:20 PM david Jennette <dcjenn@...> wrote:

I sent this an hour or so ago but didn’t see it post to the list so I’m going to try again. Sorry if you all get the message a second time.

I’m wondering if windows defender is still the best antivirus software to use with jaws or if there are now other packages that are accessible now. I figured I’d ask because some time has passed and things might have changed. Thanks.

On Jun 9, 2020, at 17:38, Klaus Vielhauer <vielhau@t-online.de> wrote:

Hello,

at the install screen there is no speech and I had to stop.

Does anyone use this program successfully?

Thanks

Klaus

Hello John,

thanks for the quick answer.

Question: Wich Windows image backup software works with Jaws?

I assume that recreation may not work at all - I hope it never is
necessary - but creating a image on a harddisk with speech is desired.

Klaus


On 6/9/2020 2:13 PM, John Covici wrote:

Don't bother, they use some different method to draw the screen, so
its not accessible.

On Tue, 09 Jun 2020 04:11:52 -0400,
Klaus Vielhauer wrote:

Hello,

at the install screen there is no speech and I had to stop.

Does anyone use this program successfully?

Thanks

Klaus

From: Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 1:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Antivirus software.

On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 02:26 PM, Dan Longmore wrote:

Windows Defender is a strong anti virus program and while paid ones may have stronger points

Dan, what follows is not a criticism of what you've said, which is 100% accurate, but an addition.  Any other product, paid or free (at least potentially), may do better than Windows Security does with a given thing.  That's shown time and again in formal tests where each and every major security suite product changes position, often from the last test to the current one, because one of the things tested that's given more weight than others improves in one product while staying the same in others.

This is one reason why any statement that product X is better than product Y, without any qualifications, and regardless of the product, is nothing more than an opinion.  You need to be able to identify what it is that's better, and why, between X and Y across all significant dimensions, how you weight those, and that product X is better across a majority of them before you can declare it better with any objectivity.

I can, and have, given my subjective opinions about what I like best, but that does not make it "best for all users and situations."  I generally try to describe what my criteria were.

So, I'll repeat myself, as I've posted this before.  But the closest thing you (any you) are going to find that are at least somewhat objective measures of the effectiveness of a given security suite across multiple dimensions/functions is to look at the reports from testing labs, and not just the latest one, but going back at least a year, preferably two, to see how the various products have changed places over time, and how the different testers weight things differently such that one declares suite X superior to suite Y while another says just the opposite, but both place them in the top tier of products.  There are no simple declarations with regard to security software.

See the most recent plus the last several years of historical test results from:

AV Test

AV Comparatives

SE Labs  (Reports Page)

MRG Effitas  (360 Protection Testing Category)

This article from Quietman7, a security expert at BleepingComputer.com, makes for interesting reading, too, and directly pertains to the sorts of testing referenced above:  Reflections on Antivirus/Antimalware Testing & Comparisons

 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss

Op 9 jun. 2020 om 19:23 heeft Shan Noyes <shan.noyes@sasktel.com> het volgende geschreven:

Yes, I understood that you were talking about the office settings. Anyways, thought it could be useful if you could post here what all office settings or adjustments you have made to make your office work better with jaws.

Since so many folks do use office.

Thanks and have a good day.



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hi, i am talking about the office settings.
the export of all jaws-settings is included in jaws 2019.
thx

Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone

Op 9 jun. 2020 om 17:05 heeft Ann Byrne <annakb@sbcglobal.net> het volgende geschreven:

JAWS settings or Office settings?
Settings packager should do it, if you're thinking JAWS. I tried to find the link to send yu, but it's hiding.

Good luck!

In OAt 09:13 AM 6/9/2020, you wrote:

Hi all,
I will have another computer from my company with also office 2013 installed on it. From the office packet, I use most outlook, excel end sometime the basics of word.
On my old computer , I made some adjustments in the options for a better performance with a screenreader and som other personalisations.
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When I search the internet, how to export that settings, There seems no solution for office 2013 except taking pictures of every screen with a group of settings and adjust them manually in the new installation.
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This is not possible with a screenreader I think and compairing checkbox by checkbox is a long way to go.
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Is ther no other option to transfer all the settings from one to another computer with the same version of office?
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Kind regards,
William Windels

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How do I select the speed I desire JAWS to speak at and keep it that way
even after I turn my computer back on?

Verlyn Baldwin
letsdanceintx@gmail.com