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moderated List Rules - Mon, 06/01/2020 #cal-notice

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List Rules

When:
Monday, 1 June 2020
12:00am to 1:00am
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Description:
The following is the current version of the JFW Mailing List policies. These are sent out monthly, and also available from:

http://groups.io/g/jfw/wiki/List-Policies 

 

**List Policies**

1: Keep it clean. We're a family list, and there are people here who probably don't want to hear everything *exactly* that's running through your head. If you wouldn't see it on TV, it doesn't belong in a post to the list. If you're not sure, email the administration before you post it to the list. Otherwise, you stand to see your posts moderated.

2: Stay on topic. We're a JFW-oriented list. That said, anything related to JFW, its functionality with programs etc is acceptable. If it doesn't have to do with JFW, it doesn't belong on the list. This includes, but isn't limited to, talk of other screen readers such as Window Eyes.

3: Listen to, and respect, the wishes of the admins/moderators. If you're asked by an admin or moderator to drop a subject, or take something to private emails (in the instance of two people carrying on a thread list-wide), please do so. If the subject is changed on a thread by an admin or moderator, it will be explained why in the email sent out with it. Please don't continue replying to the old subject.

4: Don't ask over the list for a position on the list administration. If you'd like to help out, it's of course welcome, but address the request to do so to the admin team, otherwise it'll be ignored. Requests are always welcome, whether help is being looked for or not. When help is needed, a post will be made to the list. The requests already received will be kept in mind.

5: Keep flaming to a minimum. This is not limited to flaming of each other, but goes beyond that, to flaming of products, opinions, ideas, suggestions, etc. Constructive criticism never hurts. Flame wars, especially public ones, both drive people from this list and are unwelcome here. either take the problem to private emails, or report the problem to list administration.

6. Respect the opinions and views of others. This is *very* important in any environment, most especially an online environment where the only gage one has on a person is what that person puts to writing. If you come off as hostile in your posting, whether you intended to or not, people will take it as such. Online, "face value" means just that. People make mistakes, people don't always have access to the same information you do. For that matter, people don't always have the same experience you do. If you know how someone can solve their problem, great. Suggest it to them and/or the list. Do *not* proceed to tell someone, on or off list, that they have no business posting. Repeat offenders of this particular rule will be banned for a week to 30 days, depending on the severity. Serious problems will be banned permanently.

As always, if there are problems or questions with regards these policies, don't hesitate to send them off-list to jfw+owner@groups.io

James,
List Admin
 


moderated Re: jaws question

michaeel's mail
 

cheers Michael.Oops Bill yes narrator did read the context menu just fine.

--
sent from mizilla thunderbird


moderated Re: jaws question

michaeel's mail
 

yes i did that i also did a jaws repair.

And an IE reset and still the same.

This only happens on IE the context menue of shift f 10 works in chrome and on destop.

Cheers Michael.

--
sent from mizilla thunderbird


moderated Re: jaws question

Bill White
 

Hi, Michael. Have you tried using Windows Narrator with Internet Explorer to see if you can get the context menu with SHIFT plus F10? I realize that Narrator doesn't navigate well with Narrator, but at least you could see if the problem persists while JAWS is not running. This way, you could determine if the problem is with JAWS or if it is with Internet Explorer itself.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of michaeel's mail
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 3:39 AM
To: new jaws help list
Subject: jaws question

Hi guys just noticed in internet explore that when i want to do a
contex menu with shift f 10 jaws will not speek the contex menu jjusta ding.

Is their a setting i have oltered in jaws for this to happen.

Using latest jaws on win 10.

The menu works on desktop.

Cheers Michael.


moderated RSS Reader

Cornelius
 

Hi all,
are there any RSS reader that works well with JAWS and support show article as full webpage?
I use to use Windows Live Mail RSS, but looking for alternative as Live Mail is an old program which may stop working in years to come.
I have also tried Thunderbird RSS, but it doesn’t seem to work on all RSS feeds. Outlook RSS on the other hand, downloads full article as attachment which is something not preferable.
 
 


moderated Re: jaws question

Mike B
 


Would you happen to have the, Full Screen, setting enabled?  It's in the, View menu, alt + V.  Also, make sure your window is maximized  Press, Alt + spacebar, then press the letter, X.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: jaws question

Yes rebooted and its only happend on IE in chrome it works fine.

So very strange unless its a facebook thing i was wanting to down load a
photo from facebook.

so was doing a context menu on the down load link to save as.

Cheers Michael.

--
sent from mizilla thunderbird



moderated Re: jaws question

michaeel's mail
 

Yes rebooted and its only happend on IE in chrome it works fine.

So very strange unless its a facebook thing i was wanting to down load a photo from facebook.

so was doing a context menu on the down load link to save as.

Cheers Michael.

--
sent from mizilla thunderbird


moderated Re: Full size wireless keyboard

Richard Turner
 

Neither the Logitech K480 or K380 have numberpads, but the k780 does.

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of tina sohl
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 5:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Full size wireless keyboard

 

hi. My cuz my husband currently has the Logitech k480. He loves it. I have also had this keyboard in the past and really really liked it. I currently have the iclever bk03 I believe it is. It is a Bluetooth keyboard which is a trifold. However it does not have a number pad if that's really important to you.

Tina

 

On Sun, May 31, 2020, 12:15 PM Loy <loyrg2845@...> wrote:

I like the logitech 270, it is less expensive and it has the standard key layout, except it does not have a right windows key.

----- Original Message -----

From: Tony

Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 2:11 PM

Subject: Re: Full size wireless keyboard

 

I have run a long USB extension cable with the wireless receiver at the end to the middle of the house and haven’t had range problems witth any of the wireless keyboards I have used for years.

 

The bluetooth transmitter pairs with my earing aids well outside the house.

 

Tony

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 1:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Full size wireless keyboard

 

Robert, I use the Logitech K780.  It’s interesting you mentioned range.  That is the one thing I like about it besides it being fully functional with num pad. I’ve used it in different rooms and I would gage the distance between the keyboard and receiver is at least 20 feet. I’ve had no difficulty using it in other rooms even though the receiver is stationary. I can’t remember whether it takes AAA or AA batteries.  It also fits nicely into a back pack, when we were not doing this social distancing thing.     


moderated Re: Full size wireless keyboard

tina sohl
 

hi. My cuz my husband currently has the Logitech k480. He loves it. I have also had this keyboard in the past and really really liked it. I currently have the iclever bk03 I believe it is. It is a Bluetooth keyboard which is a trifold. However it does not have a number pad if that's really important to you.

Tina


On Sun, May 31, 2020, 12:15 PM Loy <loyrg2845@...> wrote:
I like the logitech 270, it is less expensive and it has the standard key layout, except it does not have a right windows key.
----- Original Message -----
From: Tony
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: Full size wireless keyboard

I have run a long USB extension cable with the wireless receiver at the end to the middle of the house and haven’t had range problems witth any of the wireless keyboards I have used for years.

 

The bluetooth transmitter pairs with my earing aids well outside the house.

 

Tony

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 1:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Full size wireless keyboard

 

Robert, I use the Logitech K780.  It’s interesting you mentioned range.  That is the one thing I like about it besides it being fully functional with num pad. I’ve used it in different rooms and I would gage the distance between the keyboard and receiver is at least 20 feet. I’ve had no difficulty using it in other rooms even though the receiver is stationary. I can’t remember whether it takes AAA or AA batteries.  It also fits nicely into a back pack, when we were not doing this social distancing thing.     


moderated Re: Too Much Repeated Information in Outlook 2016

Mario
 

for my notes, how is that accomplished?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Jason White via groups.io [mailto:jason=jasonjgw.net@groups.io]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Sunday, May 31, 2020, 4:40 PM
Subject: Too Much Repeated Information in Outlook 2016
Resetting the view to the default might also solve it.

On 5/31/20 11:11 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

It sounds like the reading pane is on.

Here is how to turn it off.

*To turn off the Reading Pane:*   On the *View* tab, in the
*Layout* group, select *Reading Pane*, and then select *Off*.

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland,
Oregon.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Barbara
Sheinbein
*Sent:* Saturday, May 30, 2020 11:20 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Too Much Repeated Information in Outlook 2016

Hi Everyone,

I have a Windows 10 computer, use JAWS 2020, and Office 2016 on a laptop.

When I use the up/down arrow in the Inbox of Outlook, I am hearing
repeated phrases.

I hear either:

If there are problems with how this is displayed, then open in a browser

line breaks have been removed

I may of not gotten the wording perfect above.  Smile.

Most of the time it prevents JAWS from reading the information for the
message in the message list and I have to have JAWS repeat that
message in the Inbox.  I do not know if this is a JAWS issue or an
Office 2016  issue. I have Office 2013 on a different computer with
all else the same and I do not hear this.  How to get rid of the extra
chatter?

Thanks in advance for any help.

Barbara


moderated Re: Full size wireless keyboard

David Diamond
 

Well, I have big hands. And for me the keyboard is perfect. There are some functions that you need to get used to. But other than that I find it very useful.


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Loy <loyrg2845@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 1:09:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Full size wireless keyboard
 
I also have the K780, it is a good keyboard that is bluetooth as well as wireless. you can connect it to 3 devices. I don't like the key layout. It has the number pad, but not the regular 6pk of keys and the 3 arrow keys are smaller. It takes 2 AAA batteries.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: Full size wireless keyboard

The K780 is often recommended here.

You didn’t say which model is discontinued.

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Resnick
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 7:15 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Full size wireless keyboard

 

Hi Folks,

 

Looking to replace n old and faithful , but discontinued Logitech wireless keyboard with USB dongle.

 

Ideally looking for:

  • Full size including num pad;
  • Function keys that are full sized and not afterthought low profile keys;
  • Best possible range as I use it with wireless headphones in a different room;
  • Ideally full contour keys (not flat low-profile keys);
  • Replaceable batteries rather than USB charging;
  • Bells &
  • Whistles are happily avoided.

Thanks in advance.  Any and all suggestions welcome.

 

Bob

 


moderated Re: Too Much Repeated Information in Outlook 2016

Jason White
 

Resetting the view to the default might also solve it.

On 5/31/20 11:11 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

It sounds like the reading pane is on.

Here is how to turn it off.

To turn off the Reading Pane:   On the View tab, in the Layout group, select Reading Pane, and then select Off.

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Barbara Sheinbein
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 11:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Too Much Repeated Information in Outlook 2016

 

Hi Everyone,

 

I have a Windows 10 computer, use JAWS 2020, and Office 2016 on a laptop.

 

When I use the up/down arrow in the Inbox of Outlook, I am hearing repeated phrases.

 

I hear either:

If there are problems with how this is displayed, then open in a browser

 

 

line breaks have been removed

 

 

I may of not gotten the wording perfect above.  Smile. 

 

Most of the time it prevents JAWS from reading the information for the message in the message list and I have to have JAWS repeat that message in the Inbox.  I do not know if this is a JAWS issue or an Office 2016  issue.  I have Office 2013 on a different computer with all else the same and I do not hear this.  How to get rid of the extra chatter?

 

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

Barbara


moderated Re: Too Much Repeated Information in Outlook 2016

Dan Longmore
 

As suggested most likely the reading pain is on or some other outlook setting has changed. Sometimes after an update I’ve noticed a certain outlook settings can change.


On May 31, 2020, at 2:04 AM, Barbara Sheinbein <sheinbeinb@...> wrote:



Hi Everyone,

 

I have a Windows 10 computer, use JAWS 2020, and Office 2016 on a laptop.

 

When I use the up/down arrow in the Inbox of Outlook, I am hearing repeated phrases.

 

I hear either:

If there are problems with how this is displayed, then open in a browser

 

 

line breaks have been removed

 

 

I may of not gotten the wording perfect above.  Smile. 

 

Most of the time it prevents JAWS from reading the information for the message in the message list and I have to have JAWS repeat that message in the Inbox.  I do not know if this is a JAWS issue or an Office 2016  issue.  I have Office 2013 on a different computer with all else the same and I do not hear this.  How to get rid of the extra chatter?

 

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

Barbara


moderated Re: jaws question

Dan Longmore
 

Don’t know if you got an answer yet? I tried it with my eye E using windows 10 just 2020 with no issues. I hate to suggest this but just checking have you try to reboot of your system and or jaws?

On May 31, 2020, at 6:42 AM, michaeel's mail <michaelandjeanie@...> wrote:

Hi guys just noticed in internet explore that when i want to do a contex menu with shift f 10 jaws will not speek the contex menu jjusta ding.

Is their a setting i have oltered in jaws for this to happen.

Using latest jaws on win 10.

The menu works on desktop.

Cheers Michael.




moderated Re: Full size wireless keyboard

Loy
 

I also have the K780, it is a good keyboard that is bluetooth as well as wireless. you can connect it to 3 devices. I don't like the key layout. It has the number pad, but not the regular 6pk of keys and the 3 arrow keys are smaller. It takes 2 AAA batteries.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: Full size wireless keyboard

The K780 is often recommended here.

You didn’t say which model is discontinued.

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Resnick
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 7:15 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Full size wireless keyboard

 

Hi Folks,

 

Looking to replace n old and faithful , but discontinued Logitech wireless keyboard with USB dongle.

 

Ideally looking for:

  • Full size including num pad;
  • Function keys that are full sized and not afterthought low profile keys;
  • Best possible range as I use it with wireless headphones in a different room;
  • Ideally full contour keys (not flat low-profile keys);
  • Replaceable batteries rather than USB charging;
  • Bells &
  • Whistles are happily avoided.

Thanks in advance.  Any and all suggestions welcome.

 

Bob

 


moderated Re: Full size wireless keyboard

Loy
 

I like the logitech 270, it is less expensive and it has the standard key layout, except it does not have a right windows key.

----- Original Message -----
From: Tony
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: Full size wireless keyboard

I have run a long USB extension cable with the wireless receiver at the end to the middle of the house and haven’t had range problems witth any of the wireless keyboards I have used for years.

 

The bluetooth transmitter pairs with my earing aids well outside the house.

 

Tony

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 1:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Full size wireless keyboard

 

Robert, I use the Logitech K780.  It’s interesting you mentioned range.  That is the one thing I like about it besides it being fully functional with num pad. I’ve used it in different rooms and I would gage the distance between the keyboard and receiver is at least 20 feet. I’ve had no difficulty using it in other rooms even though the receiver is stationary. I can’t remember whether it takes AAA or AA batteries.  It also fits nicely into a back pack, when we were not doing this social distancing thing.     


moderated Re: Full size wireless keyboard

David Diamond
 

Mine is set up to work with my aids as well. 


moderated Re: Windows Live Mail Stopped Working in Windows 10 2004 20H1

Marie
 

I guess I am confused since I have used WLM for so many years. I don’t have two step verification in Google, that I know of. There is a possibility that I had to do this the first time I set up a Gmail account in WLM. I do know that I recently set a Gmail account up in WLM on my Surface and did not get any messages from Google, but I assume that is because I had already told Google to let me use less secure apps on the other account.
 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 10:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows Live Mail Stopped Working in Windows 10 2004 20H1
 
On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 12:53 PM, Marie wrote:
I had to do that [turn on Google less secure apps setting] when I set up an account on Outlook but not on WLM. So not sure where your info comes from.
The information about WLM being a less secure app is both accurate and indisputable.  If you didn't get it when setting it up it can only be because Google less secure apps access was already turned on or else you have 2-step verification and an app specific password for WLM being used.  Otherwise access is blocked, and I can say that with certainty having played with configuring an account right after my post earlier this morning.

One cannot just say "Outlook" when talking about security.  It matters what version.  I believe it became compliant with more secure apps protocol at Outlook 2013, though it may have been Outlook 2016.  I know that Outlook 2010 was not more secure app compliant, as I used it for years prior to upgrading to Office 2016, which included Outlook 2016.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Full size wireless keyboard

Tony
 

I have run a long USB extension cable with the wireless receiver at the end to the middle of the house and haven’t had range problems witth any of the wireless keyboards I have used for years.

 

The bluetooth transmitter pairs with my earing aids well outside the house.

 

Tony

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 1:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Full size wireless keyboard

 

Robert, I use the Logitech K780.  It’s interesting you mentioned range.  That is the one thing I like about it besides it being fully functional with num pad. I’ve used it in different rooms and I would gage the distance between the keyboard and receiver is at least 20 feet. I’ve had no difficulty using it in other rooms even though the receiver is stationary. I can’t remember whether it takes AAA or AA batteries.  It also fits nicely into a back pack, when we were not doing this social distancing thing.     


moderated Re: Windows Live Mail Stopped Working in Windows 10 2004 20H1

netbat66
 

i had to do it with wlm when gmail started refuseing to retreive my messages 2 years ago. it is working now. this is the ribbon version.

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 10:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows Live Mail Stopped Working in Windows 10 2004 20H1

On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 12:53 PM, Marie wrote:
I had to do that [turn on Google less secure apps setting] when I set up an account on Outlook but not on WLM. So not sure where your info comes from.The information about WLM being a less secure app is both accurate and indisputable. If you didn't get it when setting it up it can only be because Google less secure apps access was already turned on or else you have 2-step verification and an app specific password for WLM being used. Otherwise access is blocked, and I can say that with certainty having played with configuring an account right after my post earlier this morning.

One cannot just say "Outlook" when talking about security. It matters what version. I believe it became compliant with more secure apps protocol at Outlook 2013, though it may have been Outlook 2016. I know that Outlook 2010 was not more secure app compliant, as I used it for years prior to upgrading to Office 2016, which included Outlook 2016.

--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363


The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
~ Lawrence Krauss