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moderated Re: Full size wireless keyboard

David Diamond
 

Well, I have big hands. And for me the keyboard is perfect. There are some functions that you need to get used to. But other than that I find it very useful.

Get Outlook for iOS

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Loy <loyrg2845@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 1:09:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Full size wireless keyboard
 
I also have the K780, it is a good keyboard that is bluetooth as well as wireless. you can connect it to 3 devices. I don't like the key layout. It has the number pad, but not the regular 6pk of keys and the 3 arrow keys are smaller. It takes 2 AAA batteries.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: Full size wireless keyboard

The K780 is often recommended here.

You didn’t say which model is discontinued.

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Resnick
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 7:15 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Full size wireless keyboard

 

Hi Folks,

 

Looking to replace n old and faithful , but discontinued Logitech wireless keyboard with USB dongle.

 

Ideally looking for:

  • Full size including num pad;
  • Function keys that are full sized and not afterthought low profile keys;
  • Best possible range as I use it with wireless headphones in a different room;
  • Ideally full contour keys (not flat low-profile keys);
  • Replaceable batteries rather than USB charging;
  • Bells &
  • Whistles are happily avoided.

Thanks in advance.  Any and all suggestions welcome.

 

Bob

 
moderated Re: Too Much Repeated Information in Outlook 2016

Jason White
 

Resetting the view to the default might also solve it.

On 5/31/20 11:11 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

It sounds like the reading pane is on.

Here is how to turn it off.

To turn off the Reading Pane:   On the View tab, in the Layout group, select Reading Pane, and then select Off.

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Barbara Sheinbein
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 11:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Too Much Repeated Information in Outlook 2016

 

Hi Everyone,

 

I have a Windows 10 computer, use JAWS 2020, and Office 2016 on a laptop.

 

When I use the up/down arrow in the Inbox of Outlook, I am hearing repeated phrases.

 

I hear either:

If there are problems with how this is displayed, then open in a browser

 

 

line breaks have been removed

 

 

I may of not gotten the wording perfect above.  Smile. 

 

Most of the time it prevents JAWS from reading the information for the message in the message list and I have to have JAWS repeat that message in the Inbox.  I do not know if this is a JAWS issue or an Office 2016  issue.  I have Office 2013 on a different computer with all else the same and I do not hear this.  How to get rid of the extra chatter?

 

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

Barbara
moderated Re: Too Much Repeated Information in Outlook 2016

Dan Longmore
 

As suggested most likely the reading pain is on or some other outlook setting has changed. Sometimes after an update I’ve noticed a certain outlook settings can change.


On May 31, 2020, at 2:04 AM, Barbara Sheinbein <sheinbeinb@...> wrote:



Hi Everyone,

 

I have a Windows 10 computer, use JAWS 2020, and Office 2016 on a laptop.

 

When I use the up/down arrow in the Inbox of Outlook, I am hearing repeated phrases.

 

I hear either:

If there are problems with how this is displayed, then open in a browser

 

 

line breaks have been removed

 

 

I may of not gotten the wording perfect above.  Smile. 

 

Most of the time it prevents JAWS from reading the information for the message in the message list and I have to have JAWS repeat that message in the Inbox.  I do not know if this is a JAWS issue or an Office 2016  issue.  I have Office 2013 on a different computer with all else the same and I do not hear this.  How to get rid of the extra chatter?

 

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

Barbara
moderated Re: jaws question

Dan Longmore
 

Don’t know if you got an answer yet? I tried it with my eye E using windows 10 just 2020 with no issues. I hate to suggest this but just checking have you try to reboot of your system and or jaws?

On May 31, 2020, at 6:42 AM, michaeel's mail <michaelandjeanie@aapt.net.au> wrote:

Hi guys just noticed in internet explore that when i want to do a contex menu with shift f 10 jaws will not speek the contex menu jjusta ding.

Is their a setting i have oltered in jaws for this to happen.

Using latest jaws on win 10.

The menu works on desktop.

Cheers Michael.
moderated Re: Full size wireless keyboard

Loy <loyrg2845@...>
 

I also have the K780, it is a good keyboard that is bluetooth as well as wireless. you can connect it to 3 devices. I don't like the key layout. It has the number pad, but not the regular 6pk of keys and the 3 arrow keys are smaller. It takes 2 AAA batteries.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: Full size wireless keyboard

The K780 is often recommended here.

You didn’t say which model is discontinued.

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Resnick
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 7:15 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Full size wireless keyboard

 

Hi Folks,

 

Looking to replace n old and faithful , but discontinued Logitech wireless keyboard with USB dongle.

 

Ideally looking for:

  • Full size including num pad;
  • Function keys that are full sized and not afterthought low profile keys;
  • Best possible range as I use it with wireless headphones in a different room;
  • Ideally full contour keys (not flat low-profile keys);
  • Replaceable batteries rather than USB charging;
  • Bells &
  • Whistles are happily avoided.

Thanks in advance.  Any and all suggestions welcome.

 

Bob

 
moderated Re: Full size wireless keyboard

Loy <loyrg2845@...>
 

I like the logitech 270, it is less expensive and it has the standard key layout, except it does not have a right windows key.

----- Original Message -----
From: Tony
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: Full size wireless keyboard

I have run a long USB extension cable with the wireless receiver at the end to the middle of the house and haven’t had range problems witth any of the wireless keyboards I have used for years.

 

The bluetooth transmitter pairs with my earing aids well outside the house.

 

Tony

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 1:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Full size wireless keyboard

 

Robert, I use the Logitech K780.  It’s interesting you mentioned range.  That is the one thing I like about it besides it being fully functional with num pad. I’ve used it in different rooms and I would gage the distance between the keyboard and receiver is at least 20 feet. I’ve had no difficulty using it in other rooms even though the receiver is stationary. I can’t remember whether it takes AAA or AA batteries.  It also fits nicely into a back pack, when we were not doing this social distancing thing.     
moderated Re: Full size wireless keyboard

David Diamond
 

Mine is set up to work with my aids as well. 

moderated Re: Windows Live Mail Stopped Working in Windows 10 2004 20H1

Marie <magpie.mn@...>
 

I guess I am confused since I have used WLM for so many years. I don’t have two step verification in Google, that I know of. There is a possibility that I had to do this the first time I set up a Gmail account in WLM. I do know that I recently set a Gmail account up in WLM on my Surface and did not get any messages from Google, but I assume that is because I had already told Google to let me use less secure apps on the other account.
 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 10:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows Live Mail Stopped Working in Windows 10 2004 20H1
 
On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 12:53 PM, Marie wrote:
I had to do that [turn on Google less secure apps setting] when I set up an account on Outlook but not on WLM. So not sure where your info comes from.
The information about WLM being a less secure app is both accurate and indisputable.  If you didn't get it when setting it up it can only be because Google less secure apps access was already turned on or else you have 2-step verification and an app specific password for WLM being used.  Otherwise access is blocked, and I can say that with certainty having played with configuring an account right after my post earlier this morning.

One cannot just say "Outlook" when talking about security.  It matters what version.  I believe it became compliant with more secure apps protocol at Outlook 2013, though it may have been Outlook 2016.  I know that Outlook 2010 was not more secure app compliant, as I used it for years prior to upgrading to Office 2016, which included Outlook 2016.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss
moderated Re: Full size wireless keyboard

Tony
 

I have run a long USB extension cable with the wireless receiver at the end to the middle of the house and haven’t had range problems witth any of the wireless keyboards I have used for years.

 

The bluetooth transmitter pairs with my earing aids well outside the house.

 

Tony

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 1:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Full size wireless keyboard

 

Robert, I use the Logitech K780.  It’s interesting you mentioned range.  That is the one thing I like about it besides it being fully functional with num pad. I’ve used it in different rooms and I would gage the distance between the keyboard and receiver is at least 20 feet. I’ve had no difficulty using it in other rooms even though the receiver is stationary. I can’t remember whether it takes AAA or AA batteries.  It also fits nicely into a back pack, when we were not doing this social distancing thing.     
moderated Re: Windows Live Mail Stopped Working in Windows 10 2004 20H1

netbat66
 

i had to do it with wlm when gmail started refuseing to retreive my messages 2 years ago. it is working now. this is the ribbon version.

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 10:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows Live Mail Stopped Working in Windows 10 2004 20H1

On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 12:53 PM, Marie wrote:
I had to do that [turn on Google less secure apps setting] when I set up an account on Outlook but not on WLM. So not sure where your info comes from.The information about WLM being a less secure app is both accurate and indisputable. If you didn't get it when setting it up it can only be because Google less secure apps access was already turned on or else you have 2-step verification and an app specific password for WLM being used. Otherwise access is blocked, and I can say that with certainty having played with configuring an account right after my post earlier this morning.

One cannot just say "Outlook" when talking about security. It matters what version. I believe it became compliant with more secure apps protocol at Outlook 2013, though it may have been Outlook 2016. I know that Outlook 2010 was not more secure app compliant, as I used it for years prior to upgrading to Office 2016, which included Outlook 2016.

--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363


The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
~ Lawrence Krauss
moderated Re: Full size wireless keyboard

David Diamond
 

Robert, I use the Logitech K780.  It’s interesting you mentioned range.  That is the one thing I like about it besides it being fully functional with num pad. I’ve used it in different rooms and I would gage the distance between the keyboard and receiver is at least 20 feet. I’ve had no difficulty using it in other rooms even though the receiver is stationary. I can’t remember whether it takes AAA or AA batteries.  It also fits nicely into a back pack, when we were not doing this social distancing thing.     
moderated Re: Windows Live Mail Stopped Working in Windows 10 2004 20H1

Brian Vogel
 

On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 12:53 PM, Marie wrote:
I had to do that [turn on Google less secure apps setting] when I set up an account on Outlook but not on WLM. So not sure where your info comes from.
The information about WLM being a less secure app is both accurate and indisputable.  If you didn't get it when setting it up it can only be because Google less secure apps access was already turned on or else you have 2-step verification and an app specific password for WLM being used.  Otherwise access is blocked, and I can say that with certainty having played with configuring an account right after my post earlier this morning.

One cannot just say "Outlook" when talking about security.  It matters what version.  I believe it became compliant with more secure apps protocol at Outlook 2013, though it may have been Outlook 2016.  I know that Outlook 2010 was not more secure app compliant, as I used it for years prior to upgrading to Office 2016, which included Outlook 2016.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss
moderated Re: Anyone else having issues accessing Windows Emoji panel with Windows 10 Version 2004 and JAWS 2020.2004.66?

Joseph Lee
 

Hi,

Caused by the renamed executable for this overlay. I hope this can be resolved by Vispeo in June.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Kristic
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 9:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io; jfw-users@groups.io
Subject: Anyone else having issues accessing Windows Emoji panel with Windows 10 Version 2004 and JAWS 2020.2004.66?

 

Hi All,

 

I’m running the latest public build of JAWS 2020 (2004.66), with the Windows 10 May, 2020 update (version 2004). Since updating to this latest Windows 10 update, when I access the Windows 10 Emoji panel with WINDOWS+SEMICOLON or WINDOWS+PERIOD, JAWS either stays silent or only says menu, and using arrows or tabbing only produces the same result. This has happened no matter where I have invoked it—Outlook, Word, Notepad, etc. I have ensured that my window is maximized, and my Microsoft 365 Personal is up-to-date. If I try with the latest NVDA or Narrator, the panel works without issue. I’m wondering if anyone else is experiencing this? Hopefully, this may just be a timing issue with this JAWS build being released prior to the May, 2020 Windows 10 update if others are also experiencing, and hopefully, it might work again with the June update which will be released after this Windows 10 update.

 

Thanks for any inputs!

 

Regards,

Maria

 
moderated Re: Anyone else having issues accessing Windows Emoji panel with Windows 10 Version 2004 and JAWS 2020.2004.66?

Cory McMahon
 

I’m not experiencing this.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Kristic
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 11:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io; jfw-users@groups.io
Subject: Anyone else having issues accessing Windows Emoji panel with Windows 10 Version 2004 and JAWS 2020.2004.66?

 

Hi All,

 

I’m running the latest public build of JAWS 2020 (2004.66), with the Windows 10 May, 2020 update (version 2004). Since updating to this latest Windows 10 update, when I access the Windows 10 Emoji panel with WINDOWS+SEMICOLON or WINDOWS+PERIOD, JAWS either stays silent or only says menu, and using arrows or tabbing only produces the same result. This has happened no matter where I have invoked it—Outlook, Word, Notepad, etc. I have ensured that my window is maximized, and my Microsoft 365 Personal is up-to-date. If I try with the latest NVDA or Narrator, the panel works without issue. I’m wondering if anyone else is experiencing this? Hopefully, this may just be a timing issue with this JAWS build being released prior to the May, 2020 Windows 10 update if others are also experiencing, and hopefully, it might work again with the June update which will be released after this Windows 10 update.

 

Thanks for any inputs!

 

Regards,

Maria

 
moderated Re: Windows Live Mail Stopped Working in Windows 10 2004 20H1

Marie <magpie.mn@...>
 

Well I went to the Gmail site and checked to let less secure clients have access so never any problems. And as a matter of fact, I had to do that when I set up an account on Outlook but not on WLM. So not sure where your info comes from.

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 9:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows Live Mail Stopped Working in Windows 10 2004 20H1

For those who are using any of the e-mail clients mentioned such as
WLM, keep in mind that some e-mail servers such as Gmail and Yahoo consider
them less secure apps, and may require the use of an app password.

HTH,
Rick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marie" <magpie.mn@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: Windows Live Mail Stopped Working in Windows 10 2004 20H1


By the way, I mis-spoke when I said WLM was more powerful than Outlook.
Outlook is probably the most powerful email client but has way too many
features that I don’t need or want to contend with. WLM fits my needs and
that is what everyone require from their client.
Like most things in the computing world, if you like a program and it fits
your nee ds, it is the best for you.
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 8:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows Live Mail Stopped Working in Windows 10 2004 20H1

WLM 2012 does seem to still be chugging along just fine. If anyone needs
the installer, I archived it less than 7 days before it was pulled when
Microsoft ended official support for it, though I recommend going to another
currently supported e-mail client or webmail. Windows Live Mail (Windows
Essentials) 2012 (ZIP format)

NVDA has an add-on that allows for easy rearrangement of the columns in
Thunderbird, Mozilla Apps Enhancements, among numerous other things. So if
you're also an NVDA user I'd suggest trying that if you wish to rearrange,
add, or remove columns in Thunderbird.

The fact is that when it comes to an email client security, not ease of use
(within reason), is paramount. The older an email client is, if it's been
out of support, the easier it is for those who want to find attack surfaces
to find them and exploit them.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363


The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
~ Lawrence Krauss
moderated Re: Windows Live Mail Stopped Working in Windows 10 2004 20H1

Brian Vogel
 

On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 12:20 PM, Richard wrote:
For those who are using any of the e-mail clients mentioned such as
WLM,
It is true that WLM, all the way up through WLM 2012, is considered a "less secure app" by Google, and you can only use it successfully if you turn on less secure apps for the account(s) you wish to access or set up 2-step verification and generate an app password afterward for WLM.

Thunderbird and Outlook both have been fully secure apps, using Google Oauth authorization, for years now.  Virtually any currently supported major email client I can think of has been so for a while now.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss
moderated Re: Full size wireless keyboard

Brian Zolo
 

Heythere,Bob, what wireless headset do you use?  Enjoy the rest of your weekend!  Brian Zolo

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert Resnick
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 10:15 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Full size wireless keyboard

 

Hi Folks,

 

Looking to replace n old and faithful , but discontinued Logitech wireless keyboard with USB dongle.

 

Ideally looking for:

  • Full size including num pad;
  • Function keys that are full sized and not afterthought low profile keys;
  • Best possible range as I use it with wireless headphones in a different room;
  • Ideally full contour keys (not flat low-profile keys);
  • Replaceable batteries rather than USB charging;
  • Bells &
  • Whistles are happily avoided.

Thanks in advance.  Any and all suggestions welcome.

 

Bob

 
moderated Anyone else having issues accessing Windows Emoji panel with Windows 10 Version 2004 and JAWS 2020.2004.66?

Maria Kristic
 

Hi All,

 

I’m running the latest public build of JAWS 2020 (2004.66), with the Windows 10 May, 2020 update (version 2004). Since updating to this latest Windows 10 update, when I access the Windows 10 Emoji panel with WINDOWS+SEMICOLON or WINDOWS+PERIOD, JAWS either stays silent or only says menu, and using arrows or tabbing only produces the same result. This has happened no matter where I have invoked it—Outlook, Word, Notepad, etc. I have ensured that my window is maximized, and my Microsoft 365 Personal is up-to-date. If I try with the latest NVDA or Narrator, the panel works without issue. I’m wondering if anyone else is experiencing this? Hopefully, this may just be a timing issue with this JAWS build being released prior to the May, 2020 Windows 10 update if others are also experiencing, and hopefully, it might work again with the June update which will be released after this Windows 10 update.

 

Thanks for any inputs!

 

Regards,

Maria

 
moderated Re: Windows Live Mail Stopped Working in Windows 10 2004 20H1

Richard
 

For those who are using any of the e-mail clients mentioned such as
WLM, keep in mind that some e-mail servers such as Gmail and Yahoo consider
them less secure apps, and may require the use of an app password.

HTH,
Rick

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marie" <magpie.mn@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: Windows Live Mail Stopped Working in Windows 10 2004 20H1


By the way, I mis-spoke when I said WLM was more powerful than Outlook.
Outlook is probably the most powerful email client but has way too many
features that I don’t need or want to contend with. WLM fits my needs and
that is what everyone require from their client.
Like most things in the computing world, if you like a program and it fits
your nee ds, it is the best for you.
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 8:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows Live Mail Stopped Working in Windows 10 2004 20H1

WLM 2012 does seem to still be chugging along just fine. If anyone needs
the installer, I archived it less than 7 days before it was pulled when
Microsoft ended official support for it, though I recommend going to another
currently supported e-mail client or webmail. Windows Live Mail (Windows
Essentials) 2012 (ZIP format)

NVDA has an add-on that allows for easy rearrangement of the columns in
Thunderbird, Mozilla Apps Enhancements, among numerous other things. So if
you're also an NVDA user I'd suggest trying that if you wish to rearrange,
add, or remove columns in Thunderbird.

The fact is that when it comes to an email client security, not ease of use
(within reason), is paramount. The older an email client is, if it's been
out of support, the easier it is for those who want to find attack surfaces
to find them and exploit them.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363


The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
~ Lawrence Krauss
moderated Re: Windows Live Mail Stopped Working in Windows 10 2004 20H1

Brian Vogel
 

On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 11:32 AM, Marie wrote:
Like most things in the computing world, if you like a program and it fits your needs, it is the best for you.
Truer words were never spoken.  "Best" is always a subjective thing, one person's trash is another's treasure.  It's all about fit.

Tool to task, and all that . . .
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss
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