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moderated Re: Windows Live Mail Stopped Working in Windows 10 2004 20H1

Richard
 

For those who are using any of the e-mail clients mentioned such as
WLM, keep in mind that some e-mail servers such as Gmail and Yahoo consider
them less secure apps, and may require the use of an app password.

HTH,
Rick

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marie" <magpie.mn@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: Windows Live Mail Stopped Working in Windows 10 2004 20H1


By the way, I mis-spoke when I said WLM was more powerful than Outlook.
Outlook is probably the most powerful email client but has way too many
features that I don’t need or want to contend with. WLM fits my needs and
that is what everyone require from their client.
Like most things in the computing world, if you like a program and it fits
your nee ds, it is the best for you.
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 8:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows Live Mail Stopped Working in Windows 10 2004 20H1

WLM 2012 does seem to still be chugging along just fine. If anyone needs
the installer, I archived it less than 7 days before it was pulled when
Microsoft ended official support for it, though I recommend going to another
currently supported e-mail client or webmail. Windows Live Mail (Windows
Essentials) 2012 (ZIP format)

NVDA has an add-on that allows for easy rearrangement of the columns in
Thunderbird, Mozilla Apps Enhancements, among numerous other things. So if
you're also an NVDA user I'd suggest trying that if you wish to rearrange,
add, or remove columns in Thunderbird.

The fact is that when it comes to an email client security, not ease of use
(within reason), is paramount. The older an email client is, if it's been
out of support, the easier it is for those who want to find attack surfaces
to find them and exploit them.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363


The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Windows Live Mail Stopped Working in Windows 10 2004 20H1

 

On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 11:32 AM, Marie wrote:
Like most things in the computing world, if you like a program and it fits your needs, it is the best for you.
Truer words were never spoken.  "Best" is always a subjective thing, one person's trash is another's treasure.  It's all about fit.

Tool to task, and all that . . .
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Windows Live Mail Stopped Working in Windows 10 2004 20H1

Mario
 

to set the headers in Thunderbird, IMO, you can use NVDA with the Mozilla enhancement addon to reorder the headers the way you'd like and then go back to using JAWS. there is a way to do it with JAWS but I cannot find the instructions which were not very clear anyway.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Nermin via groups.io [mailto:voy44=yahoo.de@groups.io]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Sunday, May 31, 2020, 3:31 AM
Subject: Windows Live Mail Stopped Working in Windows 10 2004 20H1
Hi all,

just to let you know that said programme does not work anymore.
It seems I am able to receive e-mail, but they do not open and display an
error along the lines of: "Low memory or disk space.", neither of which is
true.
This convertible has 12 gigs of ram and a 512 GB SSD.

I've tried Outlook and Thunderbird, but both have their different quirks.

Outlook will often crash when trying to scroll through messages, or produce
weird errors and not load at all. A PC restart usually fixes that, but for
such an advanced software, this is not really acceptable.
Also, there is this weird search area present in every inbox, can this be
deactivated so I can jump from the message list to the folder tree view?
Opening e-mail in Outlook usually takes longer, and sometimes I need to
press enter twice.
I've disabled animations wherever possible. are there any settings I can
try to make it a bit less sluggish?
The version I'm using is: Microsoft Outlook Abonnement Version
16.0.12730.20352.

Thunderbird seems to be less resource hungry, however, I cannot seem to
reorder columns for me to hear "unread, attachment" etc. before the actual
email, and hear the sender's name like I was used to in Live Mail.

Are there any settings I should be aware of in Thunderbird?
The version is Thunderbird 68.8.1.

Thanks for any insights.

Nermin




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moderated Re: Windows Live Mail Stopped Working in Windows 10 2004 20H1

Marie
 

By the way, I mis-spoke when I said WLM was more powerful than Outlook. Outlook is probably the most powerful email client but has way too many features that I don’t need or want to contend with. WLM fits my needs and that is what everyone require from their client.
Like most things in the computing world, if you like a program and it fits your nee
ds, it is the best for you.

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 8:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows Live Mail Stopped Working in Windows 10 2004 20H1
 
WLM 2012 does seem to still be chugging along just fine.  If anyone needs the installer, I archived it less than 7 days before it was pulled when Microsoft ended official support for it, though I recommend going to another currently supported e-mail client or webmail.  Windows Live Mail (Windows Essentials) 2012 (ZIP format)

NVDA has an add-on that allows for easy rearrangement of the columns in Thunderbird, Mozilla Apps Enhancements, among numerous other things.  So if you're also an NVDA user I'd suggest trying that if you wish to rearrange, add, or remove columns in Thunderbird.

The fact is that when it comes to an email client security, not ease of use (within reason), is paramount.  The older an email client is, if it's been out of support, the easier it is for those who want to find attack surfaces to find them and exploit them.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Full size wireless keyboard

george b <gbmagoo@...>
 

Well I aploligies, I next to never read down the email because most do not know how to keep the thread going. So sory and thanks for the answer

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: May 31, 2020 8:19
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Full size wireless keyboard

 

George, you could do with an attitude adjustment, but it is by Logitech.

The same brand as he was asking about.

So, since I was answering his question, I didn’t think I needed to specify the brand as in context, all Logitech keyboards start with k that I have come across.

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of george b
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 8:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Full size wireless keyboard

 

Well and you did not say how makes the k 780 eather

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: May 31, 2020 8:13
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Full size wireless keyboard

 

The K780 is often recommended here.

You didn’t say which model is discontinued.

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Resnick
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 7:15 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Full size wireless keyboard

 

Hi Folks,

 

Looking to replace n old and faithful , but discontinued Logitech wireless keyboard with USB dongle.

 

Ideally looking for:

  • Full size including num pad;
  • Function keys that are full sized and not afterthought low profile keys;
  • Best possible range as I use it with wireless headphones in a different room;
  • Ideally full contour keys (not flat low-profile keys);
  • Replaceable batteries rather than USB charging;
  • Bells &
  • Whistles are happily avoided.

Thanks in advance.  Any and all suggestions welcome.

 

Bob

 


moderated Re: Full size wireless keyboard

Richard Turner
 

George, you could do with an attitude adjustment, but it is by Logitech.

The same brand as he was asking about.

So, since I was answering his question, I didn’t think I needed to specify the brand as in context, all Logitech keyboards start with k that I have come across.

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of george b
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 8:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Full size wireless keyboard

 

Well and you did not say how makes the k 780 eather

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: May 31, 2020 8:13
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Full size wireless keyboard

 

The K780 is often recommended here.

You didn’t say which model is discontinued.

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Resnick
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 7:15 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Full size wireless keyboard

 

Hi Folks,

 

Looking to replace n old and faithful , but discontinued Logitech wireless keyboard with USB dongle.

 

Ideally looking for:

  • Full size including num pad;
  • Function keys that are full sized and not afterthought low profile keys;
  • Best possible range as I use it with wireless headphones in a different room;
  • Ideally full contour keys (not flat low-profile keys);
  • Replaceable batteries rather than USB charging;
  • Bells &
  • Whistles are happily avoided.

Thanks in advance.  Any and all suggestions welcome.

 

Bob

 


moderated Re: Full size wireless keyboard

george b <gbmagoo@...>
 

Well and you did not say how makes the k 780 eather

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: May 31, 2020 8:13
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Full size wireless keyboard

 

The K780 is often recommended here.

You didn’t say which model is discontinued.

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Resnick
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 7:15 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Full size wireless keyboard

 

Hi Folks,

 

Looking to replace n old and faithful , but discontinued Logitech wireless keyboard with USB dongle.

 

Ideally looking for:

  • Full size including num pad;
  • Function keys that are full sized and not afterthought low profile keys;
  • Best possible range as I use it with wireless headphones in a different room;
  • Ideally full contour keys (not flat low-profile keys);
  • Replaceable batteries rather than USB charging;
  • Bells &
  • Whistles are happily avoided.

Thanks in advance.  Any and all suggestions welcome.

 

Bob

 


moderated Re: Full size wireless keyboard

Richard Turner
 

The K780 is often recommended here.

You didn’t say which model is discontinued.

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Resnick
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 7:15 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Full size wireless keyboard

 

Hi Folks,

 

Looking to replace n old and faithful , but discontinued Logitech wireless keyboard with USB dongle.

 

Ideally looking for:

  • Full size including num pad;
  • Function keys that are full sized and not afterthought low profile keys;
  • Best possible range as I use it with wireless headphones in a different room;
  • Ideally full contour keys (not flat low-profile keys);
  • Replaceable batteries rather than USB charging;
  • Bells &
  • Whistles are happily avoided.

Thanks in advance.  Any and all suggestions welcome.

 

Bob

 


moderated Re: Windows Live Mail Stopped Working in Windows 10 2004 20H1

 

WLM 2012 does seem to still be chugging along just fine.  If anyone needs the installer, I archived it less than 7 days before it was pulled when Microsoft ended official support for it, though I recommend going to another currently supported e-mail client or webmail.  Windows Live Mail (Windows Essentials) 2012 (ZIP format)

NVDA has an add-on that allows for easy rearrangement of the columns in Thunderbird, Mozilla Apps Enhancements, among numerous other things.  So if you're also an NVDA user I'd suggest trying that if you wish to rearrange, add, or remove columns in Thunderbird.

The fact is that when it comes to an email client security, not ease of use (within reason), is paramount.  The older an email client is, if it's been out of support, the easier it is for those who want to find attack surfaces to find them and exploit them.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Too Much Repeated Information in Outlook 2016

Richard Turner
 

It sounds like the reading pane is on.

Here is how to turn it off.

To turn off the Reading Pane:   On the View tab, in the Layout group, select Reading Pane, and then select Off.

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Barbara Sheinbein
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 11:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Too Much Repeated Information in Outlook 2016

 

Hi Everyone,

 

I have a Windows 10 computer, use JAWS 2020, and Office 2016 on a laptop.

 

When I use the up/down arrow in the Inbox of Outlook, I am hearing repeated phrases.

 

I hear either:

If there are problems with how this is displayed, then open in a browser

 

 

line breaks have been removed

 

 

I may of not gotten the wording perfect above.  Smile. 

 

Most of the time it prevents JAWS from reading the information for the message in the message list and I have to have JAWS repeat that message in the Inbox.  I do not know if this is a JAWS issue or an Office 2016  issue.  I have Office 2013 on a different computer with all else the same and I do not hear this.  How to get rid of the extra chatter?

 

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

Barbara


moderated Re: will jaws18 work with the update of win10 coming out in a week or so from today May 29?

Mario
 

thanks for the clarification.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Joseph Lee [mailto:@joslee]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Saturday, May 30, 2020, 9:54 PM
Subject: will jaws18 work with the update of win10 coming out in a week or so from today May 29?
Hi,
Not exactly - JAWS 2019 or later is required for essential functionality such as reading Start menu search results. Earlier versions will not work with it because JAWS 2019 and later includes necessary changes to support the new Windows Search interface and mechanisms introduced in Version 2004. Also, emoji panel doesn't work for JAWS users because the app responsible for that overlay has been renamed.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 6:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: will jaws18 work with the update of win10 coming out in a week or so from today May 29?

that's what I heard. don't know if it's true or not. I can't imagine that at least JAWS 2019 or 2018 won't be able to work on the 2004 (20H1) update to Windows 10.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Hank William Merchant [mailto:hank_w@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Friday, May 29, 2020, 1:44 PM
Subject: will jaws18 work with the update of win10 coming out in a week or so from today May 29?
Hello,
To all that have responded thus far to my inquiry email on how is jaws
2020 better with google chrome, I really appreciate all your very helpful responses. Thanks very, very much for all the very helpful responses thus far on this inquiry.
Ps. So is the latest update of Win10 coming out in a week or 2 going to not work with Jaws18, but wil yes work really good with Jaws2020? I am currently using my jaws18 with Win10. Much, much thanks in advance for any possible help I can get on this new inquiry will jaws18 work with the update of win10 coming out in a week or so from today May 29?
Warmest regards,
Hank
*From:* Sieghard Weitzel
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2020 12:41 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: how is jaws2020 better when using google chrome?

True, there are users with machines which belong to their employer who can’t reinstall Windows easily or as in your case where you may not want to do so because of your agreement with Del. When I first bought this Asus Zenbook I actually didn’t reinstall Windows 10 either although I upgraded it from the Home version it came with to the Pro version I use at my business, but it ran quite well so I left it alone.

If I reinstall Windows I first delete all partitions, then repartition the drive, reformat it and then reinstall and while I don’t do this unless absolutely necessary it is a last resort which often will help.

As for changes in Jaws 2020 and Chrome-based browsers or the internet in general, they do exist even though you may not notice them or use them.
The internet and the way web designers code web pages changes all the time and in order to keep up with these changes it is my opinion that you will get the best experience with the latest version of Jaws and this of course also applies to applications like the Office programs, Zoom which many of us use these days and so on. In the case of Zoom the latest version of Jaws 2020 includes scripts which you wouldn’t have in Jaws 2019 let alone earlier versions. Below are some examples of changes with respect to the internet:

Reduced Double Speaking of Form Control Prompts

When navigating and filling out forms on the web, it has become increasingly common for web page authors to include the prompt inside the control in addition to assigning an accessible Tag for the control.
While non-screen reader users only see the written prompt, those using a screen reader are getting both the Prompt and accessible Tag in Speech as well as Braille if a display is in use. Often times, the web page author has assigned the same text for each, so it appears the screen reader is double speaking. In JAWS 2020, we have greatly reduced the amount of double speaking of form controls as you navigate using speech and Braille by comparing the prompt and these tags, and only speaking or brailling them both if they are different.

Virtual Cursor Toggle Now Tab Specific in Google Chrome

Today, there are many web apps where using the Virtual Cursor is not the best approach. An example of this can be seen if you use Gmail in the Chrome Browser. In these cases, it makes sense to toggle the Virtual Cursor off by pressing INSERT+Z and then use this application with the PC cursor. Many users also regularly open multiple tabs (CTRL+T) so they can easily access different sites such as GMail plus one or two other pages by moving between the open tabs using CTRL+TAB. This can become frustrating as you need to constantly press INSERT+Z to get the right cursor in use as you switch between tabs.

Beginning with version 2020, we are introducing an option to help JAWS automatically remember the state of the Virtual Cursor for each tab once you set it. It will also announce whether the Virtual Cursor is on or off as you move between various tabs. Once you close the browser, or restart JAWS, it will default back to its default behavior so you will need to set this each day as you use it.

General Changes in Response to Customer Requests

By default, JAWS and Fusion now skip over blank lines while navigating using the Virtual Cursor. This improves reading when navigating web pages, PDF documents, Help Files, and the JAWS Results Viewer without announcing all the blank lines. If you want to hear blank lines as you navigate text, open Settings Center (INSERT+6) and clear the "Skip Blank Lines While Navigating" check box.

Added a new Quick Settings (INSERT+V) option called "Announce Count of Links, Headings, etc. when page loads," which is on by default. Turning this setting off causes JAWS and Fusion not to announce the number of these elements when a web page loads.

While browsing the internet, JAWS will no longer announce "Clickable" by default as you move to various content.

You should no longer hear the message "Press JAWS Key+ALT+R to hear descriptive text" as you navigate form controls and certain other elements on the web.

Removed extraneous "Insert F1 Help" announcements that were heard when navigating through various controls on the web.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Patrick Murphy
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2020 8:18 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: how is jaws2020 better when using google chrome?

Sieghard,

Sorry, I meant to say 2018.

With regard to my issues, I mentioned nothing in relation to my recent problems in my last posting.

I simply pointed out, that in my experience, I found no difference between jaws 2020 or 2018 when it came to functionality with google chrome.

In my opinion this is not unusual as jaws for the most part, acts the same way with applications, unless there has been a specific change to jaws to fix/enhance something which didn’t work in the last version.

As I said there is a difference when it comes to microsoft’s chrome edge. This is to be expected, as jaws 2020 has addressed the problem with the “jaws find” function in chrome edge.

I understand your points below, but we all don’t have the ability to reinstall windows whenever it is needed.

Personally, I have a del laptop under warranty. If I want windows installed, they are the ones to do it.

This is necessary, in order to keep up my four year service agreement with them.

As you know, all of these installations come with loads of things that you don’t want.

By the time you have uninstalled all the “trial” versions of everything, you have a version of windows that could have been damaged anyway since its installation.

Having installed windows from scratch yourself, you will be aware, that uninstalling things can leave a footprint behind. Quite often, there are empty directories, and entries in the registery which were not deleted.

In my 25 years as a software developer, I have seen this numerous times.

The only way to be absolutely sure that you have a proper version of windows, is to actually install it yourself without any of the “optional” features.

Again, in order to be sure, there should be absolutely nothing on the drive when you start, or you could be installing over files that are already there. This is something else that Microsoft will do from time to time, in that if something exists, it will leave it alone and install around it.

Then, of course, there is the windows home and professional additions, which in themselves, have different functionality, group security policies being one of them.

patrick

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Sieghard Weitzel
*Sent:* Tuesday 26 May 2020 15:55
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: how is jaws2020 better when using google chrome?

Patrick, are you using Jaws 18 or Jaws 2018, they are not the same, Jaws
2018 is a year newer than Jaws 18 and as far as I know there are more and more problematic areas with Jaws 18 and the latest version of Windows which is about to get rolled out. Also keep in mind that your issues are not everybody’s issues and probably not even problems a lot of people experience. I understand how frustrating it is when you run into problems nobody else or almost nobody else seems to have, but these situations do exist where a combination of your hardware and how everything is configured causes strange issues which are hard to fix and even harder to reproduce. In such a case and when all else fails a clean reinstallation of Wibndows may be the only way forward although I am not somebody who suggests this solution lightly. I currently experience strange slow-downs on my laptop at home, granted it’s over 3 years old, but it’s also a high-end machine with a six generation I7 processor, 16Gb of RAM and a 512Gb SSD. I find Outlook, Edge and Google Chrome as well as certain File Explorer tasks to be quite slow especially when compared to my work PC. I have been using the upcoming Windows 10 version via the Windows Insider program for a few months now because I am also a Jaws beta tester and feel I should try and use upcoming Windows versions so I can test new features and provide feedback accordingly, but as soon as the 2004 version is officially out and I can get the Media Creation Tool for it, I plan to wipe this laptop clean and reinstall Windows from scratch, then Jaws 2020, Office and any other applications I use and I know this will improve things since I have done it with other PC’s many times.

If somebody is 3 or 4 years behind with Jaws it will always be my recommendation to upgrade especially since sooner rather than later it is probably necessary. Yes, I know there are people out there who still use computers which are 8 or 10 years old with the now unsupported Windows 7 with Jaws 16 or 17 and programs like Outlook Express which have also been discontinued and are in my opinion super unsecure to use, but this is not my philosophy.

Best regards,

Sieghard

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Patrick Murphy
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2020 12:11 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: how is jaws2020 better when using google chrome?

Hi Hank,

I am still using jaws 18 with windows 10 latest release. I did install a trial version of jaws 2020, but there was no difference.

There was a difference however, between jaws 2018 and 2020 when using the Microsoft edge version of chrome.

If you like google chrome, and your jaws 2018, try a browser called brave.

It is chrome based, but has a much lighter footprint on your computer and will work with windows 7 and 10.

pat

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Sieghard Weitzel
*Sent:* Tuesday 26 May 2020 06:38
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: how is jaws2020 better when using google chrome?

I didn’t see any other replies, but for many of us Jaws 18 was so long ago, I for one don’t remember how it was different.

I assume you are still on Windows 7? Upgrading to the latest version of Jaws is also going to be more and more necessary if you want to run the latest release of Windows 10 which is coming up in the next few weeks.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Hank William Merchant
*Sent:* Monday, May 25, 2020 12:18 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: how is jaws2020 better when using google chrome?

Hello,

I am currently using jaws18, before I go and buy jaws2020, can someone maybe please give me just a couple of examples of how google Chrome works alot better with Jaws2020 versus the older version Jaws18?

Any help with this would be greatly appreciated. Much thanks in advance for any help with this.

Warmest regards,

Hank









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moderated Re: Windows Live Mail Stopped Working in Windows 10 2004 20H1

Marie
 

Wrong!! I am running Win 10 1909 and Jaws 2020 and using WLM on my laptop and desktop every day with no problems. Works as usual and in my opinion easier, mor powerful and faster than either Thunderbird or Outlook.
You need to try doing a repair or a total re-install of WLM. Good luck.
Marie

-----Original Message-----
From: Nermin via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 12:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Windows Live Mail Stopped Working in Windows 10 2004 20H1

Hi all,

just to let you know that said programme does not work anymore.
It seems I am able to receive e-mail, but they do not open and display an
error along the lines of: "Low memory or disk space.", neither of which is
true.
This convertible has 12 gigs of ram and a 512 GB SSD.

I've tried Outlook and Thunderbird, but both have their different quirks.

Outlook will often crash when trying to scroll through messages, or produce
weird errors and not load at all. A PC restart usually fixes that, but for
such an advanced software, this is not really acceptable.
Also, there is this weird search area present in every inbox, can this be
deactivated so I can jump from the message list to the folder tree view?
Opening e-mail in Outlook usually takes longer, and sometimes I need to
press enter twice.
I've disabled animations wherever possible. are there any settings I can
try to make it a bit less sluggish?
The version I'm using is: Microsoft Outlook Abonnement Version
16.0.12730.20352.

Thunderbird seems to be less resource hungry, however, I cannot seem to
reorder columns for me to hear "unread, attachment" etc. before the actual
email, and hear the sender's name like I was used to in Live Mail.

Are there any settings I should be aware of in Thunderbird?
The version is Thunderbird 68.8.1.

Thanks for any insights.

Nermin


moderated Full size wireless keyboard

Robert Resnick
 

Hi Folks,

 

Looking to replace n old and faithful , but discontinued Logitech wireless keyboard with USB dongle.

 

Ideally looking for:

  • Full size including num pad;
  • Function keys that are full sized and not afterthought low profile keys;
  • Best possible range as I use it with wireless headphones in a different room;
  • Ideally full contour keys (not flat low-profile keys);
  • Replaceable batteries rather than USB charging;
  • Bells &
  • Whistles are happily avoided.

Thanks in advance.  Any and all suggestions welcome.

 

Bob

 


moderated Re: will jaws18 work with the update of win10 coming out in a week or so from today May 29?

Milton Ota
 

Hello,

The Microsoft Windows 10 May Release was released this past Tuesday and can be forced as a download to your windows 10 computer by doing a "Check For Updates" and tabbing to "Check For Updates".

If you need to obtain JAWS 2020, now is your time to look into updating as there will be some kind of sale during the month of July. If you need it right now, you can still get it for FREE from the Freedom Scientific website; last I heard it was and is still there until the end of June.

The next JAWS 2020 update will be released sometime after June 15.

Milton

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hank William Merchant
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 7:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: will jaws18 work with the update of win10 coming out in a week or so from today May 29?



Hello back,

Good morning. Thanks very much for your replys thus far to my email inquiry will jaws18 work with the Win10 update coming out in a week or so from today May 29? Just to clerify, I am still using the older, older version called jaws 18 with my current version of win10, not jaws2018. Much, much thanks again for any more help I can maybe get on this inquiry.








All the best,
Warmest regards,

Hank


----Original Message-----
From: Mario
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 10:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: will jaws18 work with the update of win10 coming out in a week or so from today May 29?

that's what I heard. don't know if it's true or not. I can't imagine that at least JAWS 2019 or 2018 won't be able to work on the 2004 (20H1) update to Windows 10.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Hank William Merchant [mailto:hank_w@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Friday, May 29, 2020, 1:44 PM
Subject: will jaws18 work with the update of win10 coming out in a week or so from today May 29?
Hello,
To all that have responded thus far to my inquiry email on how is jaws
2020 better with google chrome, I really appreciate all your very helpful responses. Thanks very, very much for all the very helpful responses thus far on this inquiry.
Ps. So is the latest update of Win10 coming out in a week or 2 going to not work with Jaws18, but wil yes work really good with Jaws2020? I am currently using my jaws18 with Win10. Much, much thanks in advance for any possible help I can get on this new inquiry will jaws18 work with the update of win10 coming out in a week or so from today May 29?
Warmest regards,
Hank
*From:* Sieghard Weitzel
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2020 12:41 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: how is jaws2020 better when using google chrome?

True, there are users with machines which belong to their employer who can’t reinstall Windows easily or as in your case where you may not want to do so because of your agreement with Del. When I first bought this Asus Zenbook I actually didn’t reinstall Windows 10 either although I upgraded it from the Home version it came with to the Pro version I use at my business, but it ran quite well so I left it alone.

If I reinstall Windows I first delete all partitions, then repartition the drive, reformat it and then reinstall and while I don’t do this unless absolutely necessary it is a last resort which often will help.

As for changes in Jaws 2020 and Chrome-based browsers or the internet in general, they do exist even though you may not notice them or use them.
The internet and the way web designers code web pages changes all the time and in order to keep up with these changes it is my opinion that you will get the best experience with the latest version of Jaws and this of course also applies to applications like the Office programs, Zoom which many of us use these days and so on. In the case of Zoom the latest version of Jaws 2020 includes scripts which you wouldn’t have in Jaws 2019 let alone earlier versions. Below are some examples of changes with respect to the internet:

Reduced Double Speaking of Form Control Prompts

When navigating and filling out forms on the web, it has become increasingly common for web page authors to include the prompt inside the control in addition to assigning an accessible Tag for the control.
While non-screen reader users only see the written prompt, those using a screen reader are getting both the Prompt and accessible Tag in Speech as well as Braille if a display is in use. Often times, the web page author has assigned the same text for each, so it appears the screen reader is double speaking. In JAWS 2020, we have greatly reduced the amount of double speaking of form controls as you navigate using speech and Braille by comparing the prompt and these tags, and only speaking or brailling them both if they are different.

Virtual Cursor Toggle Now Tab Specific in Google Chrome

Today, there are many web apps where using the Virtual Cursor is not the best approach. An example of this can be seen if you use Gmail in the Chrome Browser. In these cases, it makes sense to toggle the Virtual Cursor off by pressing INSERT+Z and then use this application with the PC cursor. Many users also regularly open multiple tabs (CTRL+T) so they can easily access different sites such as GMail plus one or two other pages by moving between the open tabs using CTRL+TAB. This can become frustrating as you need to constantly press INSERT+Z to get the right cursor in use as you switch between tabs.

Beginning with version 2020, we are introducing an option to help JAWS automatically remember the state of the Virtual Cursor for each tab once you set it. It will also announce whether the Virtual Cursor is on or off as you move between various tabs. Once you close the browser, or restart JAWS, it will default back to its default behavior so you will need to set this each day as you use it.

General Changes in Response to Customer Requests

By default, JAWS and Fusion now skip over blank lines while navigating using the Virtual Cursor. This improves reading when navigating web pages, PDF documents, Help Files, and the JAWS Results Viewer without announcing all the blank lines. If you want to hear blank lines as you navigate text, open Settings Center (INSERT+6) and clear the "Skip Blank Lines While Navigating" check box.

Added a new Quick Settings (INSERT+V) option called "Announce Count of Links, Headings, etc. when page loads," which is on by default. Turning this setting off causes JAWS and Fusion not to announce the number of these elements when a web page loads.

While browsing the internet, JAWS will no longer announce "Clickable" by default as you move to various content.

You should no longer hear the message "Press JAWS Key+ALT+R to hear descriptive text" as you navigate form controls and certain other elements on the web.

Removed extraneous "Insert F1 Help" announcements that were heard when navigating through various controls on the web.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Patrick Murphy
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2020 8:18 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: how is jaws2020 better when using google chrome?

Sieghard,

Sorry, I meant to say 2018.

With regard to my issues, I mentioned nothing in relation to my recent problems in my last posting.

I simply pointed out, that in my experience, I found no difference between jaws 2020 or 2018 when it came to functionality with google chrome.

In my opinion this is not unusual as jaws for the most part, acts the same way with applications, unless there has been a specific change to jaws to fix/enhance something which didn’t work in the last version.

As I said there is a difference when it comes to microsoft’s chrome edge. This is to be expected, as jaws 2020 has addressed the problem with the “jaws find” function in chrome edge.

I understand your points below, but we all don’t have the ability to reinstall windows whenever it is needed.

Personally, I have a del laptop under warranty. If I want windows installed, they are the ones to do it.

This is necessary, in order to keep up my four year service agreement with them.

As you know, all of these installations come with loads of things that you don’t want.

By the time you have uninstalled all the “trial” versions of everything, you have a version of windows that could have been damaged anyway since its installation.

Having installed windows from scratch yourself, you will be aware, that uninstalling things can leave a footprint behind. Quite often, there are empty directories, and entries in the registery which were not deleted.

In my 25 years as a software developer, I have seen this numerous times.

The only way to be absolutely sure that you have a proper version of windows, is to actually install it yourself without any of the “optional” features.

Again, in order to be sure, there should be absolutely nothing on the drive when you start, or you could be installing over files that are already there. This is something else that Microsoft will do from time to time, in that if something exists, it will leave it alone and install around it.

Then, of course, there is the windows home and professional additions, which in themselves, have different functionality, group security policies being one of them.

patrick

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Sieghard Weitzel
*Sent:* Tuesday 26 May 2020 15:55
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: how is jaws2020 better when using google chrome?

Patrick, are you using Jaws 18 or Jaws 2018, they are not the same, Jaws
2018 is a year newer than Jaws 18 and as far as I know there are more and more problematic areas with Jaws 18 and the latest version of Windows which is about to get rolled out. Also keep in mind that your issues are not everybody’s issues and probably not even problems a lot of people experience. I understand how frustrating it is when you run into problems nobody else or almost nobody else seems to have, but these situations do exist where a combination of your hardware and how everything is configured causes strange issues which are hard to fix and even harder to reproduce. In such a case and when all else fails a clean reinstallation of Wibndows may be the only way forward although I am not somebody who suggests this solution lightly. I currently experience strange slow-downs on my laptop at home, granted it’s over 3 years old, but it’s also a high-end machine with a six generation I7 processor, 16Gb of RAM and a 512Gb SSD. I find Outlook, Edge and Google Chrome as well as certain File Explorer tasks to be quite slow especially when compared to my work PC. I have been using the upcoming Windows 10 version via the Windows Insider program for a few months now because I am also a Jaws beta tester and feel I should try and use upcoming Windows versions so I can test new features and provide feedback accordingly, but as soon as the 2004 version is officially out and I can get the Media Creation Tool for it, I plan to wipe this laptop clean and reinstall Windows from scratch, then Jaws 2020, Office and any other applications I use and I know this will improve things since I have done it with other PC’s many times.

If somebody is 3 or 4 years behind with Jaws it will always be my recommendation to upgrade especially since sooner rather than later it is probably necessary. Yes, I know there are people out there who still use computers which are 8 or 10 years old with the now unsupported Windows 7 with Jaws 16 or 17 and programs like Outlook Express which have also been discontinued and are in my opinion super unsecure to use, but this is not my philosophy.

Best regards,

Sieghard

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Patrick Murphy
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2020 12:11 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: how is jaws2020 better when using google chrome?

Hi Hank,

I am still using jaws 18 with windows 10 latest release. I did install a trial version of jaws 2020, but there was no difference.

There was a difference however, between jaws 2018 and 2020 when using the Microsoft edge version of chrome.

If you like google chrome, and your jaws 2018, try a browser called brave.

It is chrome based, but has a much lighter footprint on your computer and will work with windows 7 and 10.

pat

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Sieghard Weitzel
*Sent:* Tuesday 26 May 2020 06:38
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: how is jaws2020 better when using google chrome?

I didn’t see any other replies, but for many of us Jaws 18 was so long ago, I for one don’t remember how it was different.

I assume you are still on Windows 7? Upgrading to the latest version of Jaws is also going to be more and more necessary if you want to run the latest release of Windows 10 which is coming up in the next few weeks.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Hank William Merchant
*Sent:* Monday, May 25, 2020 12:18 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: how is jaws2020 better when using google chrome?

Hello,

I am currently using jaws18, before I go and buy jaws2020, can someone maybe please give me just a couple of examples of how google Chrome works alot better with Jaws2020 versus the older version Jaws18?

Any help with this would be greatly appreciated. Much thanks in advance for any help with this.

Warmest regards,

Hank


moderated Re: will jaws18 work with the update of win10 coming out in a week or so from today May 29?

Hank William Merchant
 

Hello back,

Good morning. Thanks very much for your replys thus far to my email inquiry will jaws18 work with the Win10 update coming out in a week or so from today May 29? Just to clerify, I am still using the older, older version called jaws 18 with my current version of win10, not jaws2018. Much, much thanks again for any more help I can maybe get on this inquiry.








All the best,
Warmest regards,

Hank

----Original Message-----
From: Mario
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 10:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: will jaws18 work with the update of win10 coming out in a week or so from today May 29?

that's what I heard. don't know if it's true or not. I can't imagine
that at least JAWS 2019 or 2018 won't be able to work on the 2004 (20H1)
update to Windows 10.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Hank William Merchant [mailto:hank_w@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Friday, May 29, 2020, 1:44 PM
Subject: will jaws18 work with the update of win10 coming out in a week
or so from today May 29?
Hello,
To all that have responded thus far to my inquiry email on how is jaws
2020 better with google chrome, I really appreciate all your very
helpful responses. Thanks very, very much for all the very helpful
responses thus far on this inquiry.
Ps. So is the latest update of Win10 coming out in a week or 2 going to
not work with Jaws18, but wil yes work really good with Jaws2020? I am
currently using my jaws18 with Win10. Much, much thanks in advance for
any possible help I can get on this new inquiry will jaws18 work with
the update of win10 coming out in a week or so from today May 29?
Warmest regards,
Hank
*From:* Sieghard Weitzel
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2020 12:41 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: how is jaws2020 better when using google chrome?

True, there are users with machines which belong to their employer who
can’t reinstall Windows easily or as in your case where you may not want
to do so because of your agreement with Del. When I first bought this
Asus Zenbook I actually didn’t reinstall Windows 10 either although I
upgraded it from the Home version it came with to the Pro version I use
at my business, but it ran quite well so I left it alone.

If I reinstall Windows I first delete all partitions, then repartition
the drive, reformat it and then reinstall and while I don’t do this
unless absolutely necessary it is a last resort which often will help.

As for changes in Jaws 2020 and Chrome-based browsers or the internet in
general, they do exist even though you may not notice them or use them.
The internet and the way web designers code web pages changes all the
time and in order to keep up with these changes it is my opinion that
you will get the best experience with the latest version of Jaws and
this of course also applies to applications like the Office programs,
Zoom which many of us use these days and so on. In the case of Zoom the
latest version of Jaws 2020 includes scripts which you wouldn’t have in
Jaws 2019 let alone earlier versions. Below are some examples of changes
with respect to the internet:

Reduced Double Speaking of Form Control Prompts

When navigating and filling out forms on the web, it has become
increasingly common for web page authors to include the prompt inside
the control in addition to assigning an accessible Tag for the control.
While non-screen reader users only see the written prompt, those using a
screen reader are getting both the Prompt and accessible Tag in Speech
as well as Braille if a display is in use. Often times, the web page
author has assigned the same text for each, so it appears the screen
reader is double speaking. In JAWS 2020, we have greatly reduced the
amount of double speaking of form controls as you navigate using speech
and Braille by comparing the prompt and these tags, and only speaking or
brailling them both if they are different.

Virtual Cursor Toggle Now Tab Specific in Google Chrome

Today, there are many web apps where using the Virtual Cursor is not the
best approach. An example of this can be seen if you use Gmail in the
Chrome Browser. In these cases, it makes sense to toggle the Virtual
Cursor off by pressing INSERT+Z and then use this application with the
PC cursor. Many users also regularly open multiple tabs (CTRL+T) so they
can easily access different sites such as GMail plus one or two other
pages by moving between the open tabs using CTRL+TAB. This can become
frustrating as you need to constantly press INSERT+Z to get the right
cursor in use as you switch between tabs.

Beginning with version 2020, we are introducing an option to help JAWS
automatically remember the state of the Virtual Cursor for each tab once
you set it. It will also announce whether the Virtual Cursor is on or
off as you move between various tabs. Once you close the browser, or
restart JAWS, it will default back to its default behavior so you will
need to set this each day as you use it.

General Changes in Response to Customer Requests

By default, JAWS and Fusion now skip over blank lines while navigating
using the Virtual Cursor. This improves reading when navigating web
pages, PDF documents, Help Files, and the JAWS Results Viewer without
announcing all the blank lines. If you want to hear blank lines as you
navigate text, open Settings Center (INSERT+6) and clear the "Skip Blank
Lines While Navigating" check box.

Added a new Quick Settings (INSERT+V) option called "Announce Count of
Links, Headings, etc. when page loads," which is on by default. Turning
this setting off causes JAWS and Fusion not to announce the number of
these elements when a web page loads.

While browsing the internet, JAWS will no longer announce "Clickable" by
default as you move to various content.

You should no longer hear the message "Press JAWS Key+ALT+R to hear
descriptive text" as you navigate form controls and certain other
elements on the web.

Removed extraneous "Insert F1 Help" announcements that were heard when
navigating through various controls on the web.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Patrick
Murphy
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2020 8:18 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: how is jaws2020 better when using google chrome?

Sieghard,

Sorry, I meant to say 2018.

With regard to my issues, I mentioned nothing in relation to my recent
problems in my last posting.

I simply pointed out, that in my experience, I found no difference
between jaws 2020 or 2018 when it came to functionality with google chrome.

In my opinion this is not unusual as jaws for the most part, acts the
same way with applications, unless there has been a specific change to
jaws to fix/enhance something which didn’t work in the last version.

As I said there is a difference when it comes to microsoft’s chrome
edge. This is to be expected, as jaws 2020 has addressed the problem
with the “jaws find” function in chrome edge.

I understand your points below, but we all don’t have the ability to
reinstall windows whenever it is needed.

Personally, I have a del laptop under warranty. If I want windows
installed, they are the ones to do it.

This is necessary, in order to keep up my four year service agreement
with them.

As you know, all of these installations come with loads of things that
you don’t want.

By the time you have uninstalled all the “trial” versions of everything,
you have a version of windows that could have been damaged anyway since
its installation.

Having installed windows from scratch yourself, you will be aware, that
uninstalling things can leave a footprint behind. Quite often, there are
empty directories, and entries in the registery which were not deleted.

In my 25 years as a software developer, I have seen this numerous times.

The only way to be absolutely sure that you have a proper version of
windows, is to actually install it yourself without any of the
“optional” features.

Again, in order to be sure, there should be absolutely nothing on the
drive when you start, or you could be installing over files that are
already there. This is something else that Microsoft will do from time
to time, in that if something exists, it will leave it alone and install
around it.

Then, of course, there is the windows home and professional additions,
which in themselves, have different functionality, group security
policies being one of them.

patrick

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Sieghard Weitzel
*Sent:* Tuesday 26 May 2020 15:55
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: how is jaws2020 better when using google chrome?

Patrick, are you using Jaws 18 or Jaws 2018, they are not the same, Jaws
2018 is a year newer than Jaws 18 and as far as I know there are more
and more problematic areas with Jaws 18 and the latest version of
Windows which is about to get rolled out. Also keep in mind that your
issues are not everybody’s issues and probably not even problems a lot
of people experience. I understand how frustrating it is when you run
into problems nobody else or almost nobody else seems to have, but these
situations do exist where a combination of your hardware and how
everything is configured causes strange issues which are hard to fix and
even harder to reproduce. In such a case and when all else fails a clean
reinstallation of Wibndows may be the only way forward although I am not
somebody who suggests this solution lightly. I currently experience
strange slow-downs on my laptop at home, granted it’s over 3 years old,
but it’s also a high-end machine with a six generation I7 processor,
16Gb of RAM and a 512Gb SSD. I find Outlook, Edge and Google Chrome as
well as certain File Explorer tasks to be quite slow especially when
compared to my work PC. I have been using the upcoming Windows 10
version via the Windows Insider program for a few months now because I
am also a Jaws beta tester and feel I should try and use upcoming
Windows versions so I can test new features and provide feedback
accordingly, but as soon as the 2004 version is officially out and I can
get the Media Creation Tool for it, I plan to wipe this laptop clean and
reinstall Windows from scratch, then Jaws 2020, Office and any other
applications I use and I know this will improve things since I have done
it with other PC’s many times.

If somebody is 3 or 4 years behind with Jaws it will always be my
recommendation to upgrade especially since sooner rather than later it
is probably necessary. Yes, I know there are people out there who still
use computers which are 8 or 10 years old with the now unsupported
Windows 7 with Jaws 16 or 17 and programs like Outlook Express which
have also been discontinued and are in my opinion super unsecure to use,
but this is not my philosophy.

Best regards,

Sieghard

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Patrick
Murphy
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2020 12:11 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: how is jaws2020 better when using google chrome?

Hi Hank,

I am still using jaws 18 with windows 10 latest release. I did install a
trial version of jaws 2020, but there was no difference.

There was a difference however, between jaws 2018 and 2020 when using
the Microsoft edge version of chrome.

If you like google chrome, and your jaws 2018, try a browser called brave.

It is chrome based, but has a much lighter footprint on your computer
and will work with windows 7 and 10.

pat

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Sieghard Weitzel
*Sent:* Tuesday 26 May 2020 06:38
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: how is jaws2020 better when using google chrome?

I didn’t see any other replies, but for many of us Jaws 18 was so long
ago, I for one don’t remember how it was different.

I assume you are still on Windows 7? Upgrading to the latest version of
Jaws is also going to be more and more necessary if you want to run the
latest release of Windows 10 which is coming up in the next few weeks.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Hank
William Merchant
*Sent:* Monday, May 25, 2020 12:18 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: how is jaws2020 better when using google chrome?

Hello,

I am currently using jaws18, before I go and buy jaws2020, can someone
maybe please give me just a couple of examples of how google Chrome
works alot better with Jaws2020 versus the older version Jaws18?

Any help with this would be greatly appreciated. Much thanks in advance
for any help with this.

Warmest regards,

Hank


moderated jaws question

michaeel's mail
 

Hi guys just noticed in internet explore  that when i want to do a contex menu with shift f 10 jaws will not speek the contex menu jjusta ding.

Is their a setting i have oltered in jaws for this to happen.

Using latest jaws on win 10.

The menu works on desktop.

Cheers Michael.


moderated Windows Live Mail Stopped Working in Windows 10 2004 20H1

Nermin
 

Hi all,

just to let you know that said programme does not work anymore.
It seems I am able to receive e-mail, but they do not open and display an
error along the lines of: "Low memory or disk space.", neither of which is
true.
This convertible has 12 gigs of ram and a 512 GB SSD.

I've tried Outlook and Thunderbird, but both have their different quirks.

Outlook will often crash when trying to scroll through messages, or produce
weird errors and not load at all. A PC restart usually fixes that, but for
such an advanced software, this is not really acceptable.
Also, there is this weird search area present in every inbox, can this be
deactivated so I can jump from the message list to the folder tree view?
Opening e-mail in Outlook usually takes longer, and sometimes I need to
press enter twice.
I've disabled animations wherever possible. are there any settings I can
try to make it a bit less sluggish?
The version I'm using is: Microsoft Outlook Abonnement Version
16.0.12730.20352.

Thunderbird seems to be less resource hungry, however, I cannot seem to
reorder columns for me to hear "unread, attachment" etc. before the actual
email, and hear the sender's name like I was used to in Live Mail.

Are there any settings I should be aware of in Thunderbird?
The version is Thunderbird 68.8.1.

Thanks for any insights.

Nermin


moderated Re: will jaws18 work with the update of win10 coming out in a week or so from today May 29?

Panagiotis Antonopoulos
 

Hi all,
I do not know if it's a new one, but I updated to win10 2004 yesterday and using jaws2020, I have encountered no issues at all so far.
Take care,
Takis

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 4:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: will jaws18 work with the update of win10 coming out in a week or so from today May 29?

that's what I heard. don't know if it's true or not. I can't imagine that at least JAWS 2019 or 2018 won't be able to work on the 2004 (20H1) update to Windows 10.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Hank William Merchant [mailto:hank_w@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Friday, May 29, 2020, 1:44 PM
Subject: will jaws18 work with the update of win10 coming out in a week or so from today May 29?
Hello,
To all that have responded thus far to my inquiry email on how is jaws
2020 better with google chrome, I really appreciate all your very helpful responses. Thanks very, very much for all the very helpful responses thus far on this inquiry.
Ps. So is the latest update of Win10 coming out in a week or 2 going to not work with Jaws18, but wil yes work really good with Jaws2020? I am currently using my jaws18 with Win10. Much, much thanks in advance for any possible help I can get on this new inquiry will jaws18 work with the update of win10 coming out in a week or so from today May 29?
Warmest regards,
Hank
*From:* Sieghard Weitzel
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2020 12:41 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: how is jaws2020 better when using google chrome?

True, there are users with machines which belong to their employer who can’t reinstall Windows easily or as in your case where you may not want to do so because of your agreement with Del. When I first bought this Asus Zenbook I actually didn’t reinstall Windows 10 either although I upgraded it from the Home version it came with to the Pro version I use at my business, but it ran quite well so I left it alone.

If I reinstall Windows I first delete all partitions, then repartition the drive, reformat it and then reinstall and while I don’t do this unless absolutely necessary it is a last resort which often will help.

As for changes in Jaws 2020 and Chrome-based browsers or the internet in general, they do exist even though you may not notice them or use them.
The internet and the way web designers code web pages changes all the time and in order to keep up with these changes it is my opinion that you will get the best experience with the latest version of Jaws and this of course also applies to applications like the Office programs, Zoom which many of us use these days and so on. In the case of Zoom the latest version of Jaws 2020 includes scripts which you wouldn’t have in Jaws 2019 let alone earlier versions. Below are some examples of changes with respect to the internet:

Reduced Double Speaking of Form Control Prompts

When navigating and filling out forms on the web, it has become increasingly common for web page authors to include the prompt inside the control in addition to assigning an accessible Tag for the control.
While non-screen reader users only see the written prompt, those using a screen reader are getting both the Prompt and accessible Tag in Speech as well as Braille if a display is in use. Often times, the web page author has assigned the same text for each, so it appears the screen reader is double speaking. In JAWS 2020, we have greatly reduced the amount of double speaking of form controls as you navigate using speech and Braille by comparing the prompt and these tags, and only speaking or brailling them both if they are different.

Virtual Cursor Toggle Now Tab Specific in Google Chrome

Today, there are many web apps where using the Virtual Cursor is not the best approach. An example of this can be seen if you use Gmail in the Chrome Browser. In these cases, it makes sense to toggle the Virtual Cursor off by pressing INSERT+Z and then use this application with the PC cursor. Many users also regularly open multiple tabs (CTRL+T) so they can easily access different sites such as GMail plus one or two other pages by moving between the open tabs using CTRL+TAB. This can become frustrating as you need to constantly press INSERT+Z to get the right cursor in use as you switch between tabs.

Beginning with version 2020, we are introducing an option to help JAWS automatically remember the state of the Virtual Cursor for each tab once you set it. It will also announce whether the Virtual Cursor is on or off as you move between various tabs. Once you close the browser, or restart JAWS, it will default back to its default behavior so you will need to set this each day as you use it.

General Changes in Response to Customer Requests

By default, JAWS and Fusion now skip over blank lines while navigating using the Virtual Cursor. This improves reading when navigating web pages, PDF documents, Help Files, and the JAWS Results Viewer without announcing all the blank lines. If you want to hear blank lines as you navigate text, open Settings Center (INSERT+6) and clear the "Skip Blank Lines While Navigating" check box.

Added a new Quick Settings (INSERT+V) option called "Announce Count of Links, Headings, etc. when page loads," which is on by default. Turning this setting off causes JAWS and Fusion not to announce the number of these elements when a web page loads.

While browsing the internet, JAWS will no longer announce "Clickable" by default as you move to various content.

You should no longer hear the message "Press JAWS Key+ALT+R to hear descriptive text" as you navigate form controls and certain other elements on the web.

Removed extraneous "Insert F1 Help" announcements that were heard when navigating through various controls on the web.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Patrick Murphy
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2020 8:18 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: how is jaws2020 better when using google chrome?

Sieghard,

Sorry, I meant to say 2018.

With regard to my issues, I mentioned nothing in relation to my recent problems in my last posting.

I simply pointed out, that in my experience, I found no difference between jaws 2020 or 2018 when it came to functionality with google chrome.

In my opinion this is not unusual as jaws for the most part, acts the same way with applications, unless there has been a specific change to jaws to fix/enhance something which didn’t work in the last version.

As I said there is a difference when it comes to microsoft’s chrome edge. This is to be expected, as jaws 2020 has addressed the problem with the “jaws find” function in chrome edge.

I understand your points below, but we all don’t have the ability to reinstall windows whenever it is needed.

Personally, I have a del laptop under warranty. If I want windows installed, they are the ones to do it.

This is necessary, in order to keep up my four year service agreement with them.

As you know, all of these installations come with loads of things that you don’t want.

By the time you have uninstalled all the “trial” versions of everything, you have a version of windows that could have been damaged anyway since its installation.

Having installed windows from scratch yourself, you will be aware, that uninstalling things can leave a footprint behind. Quite often, there are empty directories, and entries in the registery which were not deleted.

In my 25 years as a software developer, I have seen this numerous times.

The only way to be absolutely sure that you have a proper version of windows, is to actually install it yourself without any of the “optional” features.

Again, in order to be sure, there should be absolutely nothing on the drive when you start, or you could be installing over files that are already there. This is something else that Microsoft will do from time to time, in that if something exists, it will leave it alone and install around it.

Then, of course, there is the windows home and professional additions, which in themselves, have different functionality, group security policies being one of them.

patrick

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Sieghard Weitzel
*Sent:* Tuesday 26 May 2020 15:55
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: how is jaws2020 better when using google chrome?

Patrick, are you using Jaws 18 or Jaws 2018, they are not the same, Jaws
2018 is a year newer than Jaws 18 and as far as I know there are more and more problematic areas with Jaws 18 and the latest version of Windows which is about to get rolled out. Also keep in mind that your issues are not everybody’s issues and probably not even problems a lot of people experience. I understand how frustrating it is when you run into problems nobody else or almost nobody else seems to have, but these situations do exist where a combination of your hardware and how everything is configured causes strange issues which are hard to fix and even harder to reproduce. In such a case and when all else fails a clean reinstallation of Wibndows may be the only way forward although I am not somebody who suggests this solution lightly. I currently experience strange slow-downs on my laptop at home, granted it’s over 3 years old, but it’s also a high-end machine with a six generation I7 processor, 16Gb of RAM and a 512Gb SSD. I find Outlook, Edge and Google Chrome as well as certain File Explorer tasks to be quite slow especially when compared to my work PC. I have been using the upcoming Windows 10 version via the Windows Insider program for a few months now because I am also a Jaws beta tester and feel I should try and use upcoming Windows versions so I can test new features and provide feedback accordingly, but as soon as the 2004 version is officially out and I can get the Media Creation Tool for it, I plan to wipe this laptop clean and reinstall Windows from scratch, then Jaws 2020, Office and any other applications I use and I know this will improve things since I have done it with other PC’s many times.

If somebody is 3 or 4 years behind with Jaws it will always be my recommendation to upgrade especially since sooner rather than later it is probably necessary. Yes, I know there are people out there who still use computers which are 8 or 10 years old with the now unsupported Windows 7 with Jaws 16 or 17 and programs like Outlook Express which have also been discontinued and are in my opinion super unsecure to use, but this is not my philosophy.

Best regards,

Sieghard

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Patrick Murphy
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2020 12:11 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: how is jaws2020 better when using google chrome?

Hi Hank,

I am still using jaws 18 with windows 10 latest release. I did install a trial version of jaws 2020, but there was no difference.

There was a difference however, between jaws 2018 and 2020 when using the Microsoft edge version of chrome.

If you like google chrome, and your jaws 2018, try a browser called brave.

It is chrome based, but has a much lighter footprint on your computer and will work with windows 7 and 10.

pat

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Sieghard Weitzel
*Sent:* Tuesday 26 May 2020 06:38
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: how is jaws2020 better when using google chrome?

I didn’t see any other replies, but for many of us Jaws 18 was so long ago, I for one don’t remember how it was different.

I assume you are still on Windows 7? Upgrading to the latest version of Jaws is also going to be more and more necessary if you want to run the latest release of Windows 10 which is coming up in the next few weeks.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Hank William Merchant
*Sent:* Monday, May 25, 2020 12:18 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: how is jaws2020 better when using google chrome?

Hello,

I am currently using jaws18, before I go and buy jaws2020, can someone maybe please give me just a couple of examples of how google Chrome works alot better with Jaws2020 versus the older version Jaws18?

Any help with this would be greatly appreciated. Much thanks in advance for any help with this.

Warmest regards,

Hank


moderated Too Much Repeated Information in Outlook 2016

Barbara Sheinbein
 

Hi Everyone,

 

I have a Windows 10 computer, use JAWS 2020, and Office 2016 on a laptop.

 

When I use the up/down arrow in the Inbox of Outlook, I am hearing repeated phrases.

 

I hear either:

If there are problems with how this is displayed, then open in a browser

 

 

line breaks have been removed

 

 

I may of not gotten the wording perfect above.  Smile. 

 

Most of the time it prevents JAWS from reading the information for the message in the message list and I have to have JAWS repeat that message in the Inbox.  I do not know if this is a JAWS issue or an Office 2016  issue.  I have Office 2013 on a different computer with all else the same and I do not hear this.  How to get rid of the extra chatter?

 

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

Barbara


moderated Re: jaws with text area boxes.

Justin Williams
 

One way I work with those, is to type what I want into word or notpad, copy the text, and paste it in so I'm not fooling around with that.

 

Thanks,

 

Justin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 3:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: jaws with text area boxes.

 

Hi,

 

Maybe someone else has seen this.

On a web page form, you will obviously have a number of different types of input, text boxes, combos, radio buttons etc.

One of these is a “textarea” which typically is used for entering something like a large query or something to be sent.

When tabbing through the various form controls, jaws will read out the labels associated with other input controls, but just says “edit” when it comes to the text area control.

If you tab away from it, and return to it after entering something, it just says “contains text”.

The label attached to it could say something like “please enter your query”.

If you come out of forms mode, and read the page normally, you will see the label text.

Has anyone seen this?

Any work arounds?

 

pat