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moderated Re: Cannot read text with JAWS and Adobe Acrobat Reader DC

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Resending this again, because I didn't see it come through on the list.

 

Hi, Gezim. After opening Adobe Acrobat Reader,

 

1. Press CONTROL plus K to open Preferences.

2. Arrow down to Enhanced Security.

3. Make sure Protected Mode and Enhanced Security are unchecked.

 

This should make pdf's readable in JAWS again.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gezim Rexha
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 10:56 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Cannot read text with JAWS and Adobe Acrobat Reader DC

 

Hi all,

 

For some reason, recently I cannot read PDF documents. I am using JAWS 2019 and Adobe Acrobat Reader DC. Any instructions how I could make it accessible?

 

Cheers,

Gezim

 


moderated Re: Cannot read text with JAWS and Adobe Acrobat Reader DC

Glenn / Lenny
 

Under file is the option to save as TXT, perhaps that will work for you.
Glenn
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 12:56 PM
Subject: Cannot read text with JAWS and Adobe Acrobat Reader DC

Hi all,

 

For some reason, recently I cannot read PDF documents. I am using JAWS 2019 and Adobe Acrobat Reader DC. Any instructions how I could make it accessible?

 

Cheers,

Gezim

 


moderated Cannot read text with JAWS and Adobe Acrobat Reader DC

Gezim Rexha
 

Hi all,

 

For some reason, recently I cannot read PDF documents. I am using JAWS 2019 and Adobe Acrobat Reader DC. Any instructions how I could make it accessible?

 

Cheers,

Gezim

 


moderated Re: advanced users: Multiple cursors

JM Casey
 

System focus doesn’t move as freely as mouse pointer, and moving jaws cursor to pc cursor will move your mouse pointer where system focus is, most useful so you can click something with the mouse or mouse simulator keys on the keyboard/number pad.

 

You can basically do what you’ve described. In addition to the JAWS cursor you have the invisible cursor, which as far as I know is really just for reading/doesn’t move the mouse pointer.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: May 14, 2020 5:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: advanced users: Multiple cursors

 

I sometimes wonder if all the cursors and system focus in JAWS can be moved to separate spots on the page, as if you had one hand feeling the top of the wall and the other hand feeling a lower part of the wall, each hand gathering information from different places. For example, I noticed you can route the JAWS cursor to the PC cursor. But I don't think I have a firm understanding of that. Can intermediate or advanced JAWS users say something about that?


moderated Re: How to remove the check boxes that proceed my file names

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Jim. The reason for having check boxes by the files is to show which file or files you have selected. It's just another visual way of highlighting files that are selected.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Weiss via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 2:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to remove the check boxes that proceed my file names

 

Thank you.  Yes, Windows Explorer, my terminology is very out of date.  My last time using Windows was in 2011 and I was sighted then.  Like I mentioned, I am a complete newbie to Windows again.

Jim Weiss

 


“The only thing worse then being blind is having sight with no vision” | Helen Keller



On May 14, 2020, at 5:14 AM, fenderwal@... wrote:

 

If by File Explorer you mean Windows Explorer, here's what to do.

 

Open Windows Explorer.

press Alt-T for Tools, O for options.

In the property page that opens, shift tab to the tab controls and right arrow to the view tab.

Tab to the tree view and find the item called "Use check boxes to select items." I pressed the letter U and jumped right to it.

Press spacebar to unselect the tree view item.

Tab to OK and press spacebar.

 

If File Explorer is different than Windows Explorer, maybe File Explorer copied the menu choices, property page and so on from Windows Explorer. Couldn't hurt to try.

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Weiss via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 3:35 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: How to remove the check boxes that proceed my file names

All,’I just bought a new laptop and all of my file names in file explorer and the icons on the desktop have a check box that proceed them.  I remember changing this setting a long time ago, but for the life of me I can’t find it.  I seem to remember making this change inside of file explorer, but can’t remember where.  Also, what is the purpose for the check boxes?

Thank you in advance,

Jim

P.S.  I apologize if this is a very basic question, but I am a Mac user just getting back into the Windows pool and to say the least I am still in the kiddie pool.

Jim Weiss

 

 

“I would rather walk with a friend in the dark; than alone in the light.” | Helen Keller

 

 


moderated Re: Financial tracking software that is relatively cheap and accessible! quicken sure was not.

Mario
 

Larry, for finding accessible astronomy software, if you're willing, you can go to eyesonsuccess.net, do a search for astronomy, and contact the most likely interviewee who you can ask and get a helpful answer. there are four episodes where you can find the show notes which would have the contact information of the interviewees.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Larry Wayland [mailto:lhwayland@sbcglobal.net]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2020, 10:46 PM
Subject: Financial tracking software that is relatively cheap and accessible! quicken sure was not.
No kidding. Many times I wish I had some of that old software back.
Especially the old astronomy software I used with DOS. I can’t find
hardly any accessible astronomy software these days.

Larry

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Randy Barnett
*Sent:* Saturday, May 2, 2020 8:16 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Financial tracking software that is relatively cheap and
accessible! quicken sure was not.

Age has little to do with the software working well or not. Sometimes
older software works better than the latest greatest.

On 5/2/2020 9:51 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

APH is not known for updating software so probably the same for the
program, however, since it is a very basic program, with some very
good features, it is worth giving the free trial a spin.

I checked it out about a year ago and it worked fine on Windows 10.

The manual is still helpful since they haven’t updated the software
either.

You may be surprised how well it works.

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in
Portland, Oregon.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io> <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
*Jenni Kent
*Sent:* Saturday, May 2, 2020 9:41 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Financial tracking software that is relatively cheap
and accessible! quicken sure was not.

_The manual for that hasn’t been updated in a decade. How long has
it been for the software?_

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of
*Brian Vogel
*Sent:* Saturday, May 2, 2020 11:31 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Financial tracking software that is relatively cheap
and accessible! quicken sure was not.

Corrected link to Money Talks download page at APH:

https://www.aph.org/product/money-talks-bank-account-management-software-digital-download/

<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.aph.org%2Fproduct%2Fmoney-talks-bank-account-management-software-digital-download%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C2b28c4d32d3c4c067c1c08d7eeb78ae4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637240344376538494&sdata=sOu8IOYLUF7A%2Ba6NnqTDI1TOu%2Fm8FgMKWxsqXCJ1sBc%3D&reserved=0>
--

Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

/The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to
overcome it./
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: How to remove the check boxes that proceed my file names

 

Back in the Windows 3.1 days, I believe it was called File Manager.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 9:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to remove the check boxes that proceed my file names

 

On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 05:25 AM, Jim Weiss wrote:

Yes, Windows Explorer, my terminology is very out of date.

And, actually, File Explorer is the current terminology for what had been called Windows Explorer for decades.  But, even in "the biz" you hear these two terms get used interchangeably.  I still occasionally say Windows Explorer even though I've trained myself to say File Explorer almost exclusively over the last 5 years.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: advanced users: Multiple cursors

Glenn / Lenny
 


Hi Robin,
There are times you might need to route the Jaws cursor to simulate a mouse click, but the other examples should not require a Jaws cursor.
For dialog boxes, it is easier to virtualized the window and read it with the PC cursor, that command is alt capslock (jaws cursor if not using laptop layout) and W.
And the other thing, you should not need a jaws cursor to read letter by letter in eMails, the PC cursor does all that.
Note, even if you have a desktop keyboard, you will have nothing to lose by using laptop layout and you will gain a lot of extra usage.
Like the use of the caps lock as a modifier.
Glenn
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: advanced users: Multiple cursors

Mark,

I’m still getting my head around using the JAWS cursor, as it doesn’t work like what I was  used to with Window Eyes.  As far as routing the JAWS cursor to the PC cursor, there are a couple of reasons I have found to need to do this.

  • I might be on a page and need to click something with the mouse.  I’ll hit the key to route the JAWS cursor to the PC cursor. It’s not always perfect in doing this on web pages, but is generally accurate in editable documents. 
  • I’ve also been advised to use this in dialog boxes that aread reading fully or where I need to read the contents line by line or character by character.  If a dialog opens, I may route the JAWS cursor, then hit insert R to restrict the boundaries for where the JAWS cursor can move, then arrow up and down to read the contents of the box with the JAWS cursor.
  • If I want to read an email address in Outlook character by character, I might route the JAWS cursor to it, then use the left and right arrow keys to read letter by letter. 

One tip I’ve appreciated is to change the voice used for JAWS cursor so that you are clear as to which cursor you are using.  I have a male voice for my PC cursor, and a female voice for when I enable the JAWS cursor. 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 3:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: advanced users: Multiple cursors

 

I sometimes wonder if all the cursors and system focus in JAWS can be moved to separate spots on the page, as if you had one hand feeling the top of the wall and the other hand feeling a lower part of the wall, each hand gathering information from different places. For example, I noticed you can route the JAWS cursor to the PC cursor. But I don't think I have a firm understanding of that. Can intermediate or advanced JAWS users say something about that?

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moderated Re: advanced users: Multiple cursors

Van Lant, Robin
 

Mark,

I’m still getting my head around using the JAWS cursor, as it doesn’t work like what I was  used to with Window Eyes.  As far as routing the JAWS cursor to the PC cursor, there are a couple of reasons I have found to need to do this.

  • I might be on a page and need to click something with the mouse.  I’ll hit the key to route the JAWS cursor to the PC cursor. It’s not always perfect in doing this on web pages, but is generally accurate in editable documents. 
  • I’ve also been advised to use this in dialog boxes that aread reading fully or where I need to read the contents line by line or character by character.  If a dialog opens, I may route the JAWS cursor, then hit insert R to restrict the boundaries for where the JAWS cursor can move, then arrow up and down to read the contents of the box with the JAWS cursor.
  • If I want to read an email address in Outlook character by character, I might route the JAWS cursor to it, then use the left and right arrow keys to read letter by letter. 

One tip I’ve appreciated is to change the voice used for JAWS cursor so that you are clear as to which cursor you are using.  I have a male voice for my PC cursor, and a female voice for when I enable the JAWS cursor. 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 3:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: advanced users: Multiple cursors

 

I sometimes wonder if all the cursors and system focus in JAWS can be moved to separate spots on the page, as if you had one hand feeling the top of the wall and the other hand feeling a lower part of the wall, each hand gathering information from different places. For example, I noticed you can route the JAWS cursor to the PC cursor. But I don't think I have a firm understanding of that. Can intermediate or advanced JAWS users say something about that?

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moderated Re: advanced users: Multiple cursors

Mario
 

the JAWS cursor can be moved independently around the screen while the PC cursor remains in one spot. the JAWS cursor does not have to be routed to where the PC cursor is every time the JAWS cursor is used.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Mark [mailto:mweiler@alumni.sfu.ca]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2020, 5:13 AM
Subject: advanced users: Multiple cursors
I sometimes wonder if all the cursors and system focus in JAWS can be
moved to separate spots on the page, as if you had one hand feeling the
top of the wall and the other hand feeling a lower part of the wall,
each hand gathering information from different places. For example, I
noticed you can route the JAWS cursor to the PC cursor. But I don't
think I have a firm understanding of that. Can intermediate or advanced
JAWS users say something about that?


moderated Re: How to remove the check boxes that proceed my file names

 

On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 05:25 AM, Jim Weiss wrote:
Yes, Windows Explorer, my terminology is very out of date.
And, actually, File Explorer is the current terminology for what had been called Windows Explorer for decades.  But, even in "the biz" you hear these two terms get used interchangeably.  I still occasionally say Windows Explorer even though I've trained myself to say File Explorer almost exclusively over the last 5 years.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated address envelopes using word and jaws free matter for the blind

Jim Ruby
 

Hi, using jaws and ms word or other app does anyone have a template or
instructions on how to address envelopes that will print the "free
matter for the blind or Physically Handicap" in the upper right hand
corner of the envelope? They would also need to print on normal letter
sized and also the larger ones too.

Thanks.

They are using jaws 2018


moderated Re: advanced users: Multiple cursors

Edward Green
 

Hi Mark,

You can do this to an extent. For example, when you turn on the JAWS cursor you are in effect moving the mouse pointer round the screen, leaving the PC cursor where it is. The route PC to JAWS then moves the PC cursor to where the JAWS cursor is, to save you the bother of moving the cursor yourself.

The real barrier for what you want to accomplish is that JAWS broadly speaking uses the same commands to move all of its cursors, and you decide which cursor you want to move by activating it.

This makes sense from one perspective because it saves having to remember a bunch of commands or saves JAWS commands conflicting with commands for Windows or the application you happen to be using.

However, other screen readers take/took different approaches. Back when it existed, Window-Eyes used different commands for moving the PC cursor and the mouse pointer. That meant that you could do what you say, and not be restricted only to having one cursor active at a time.

Cheers,

Ed


On Thu, 14 May 2020, 10:13 Mark, <mweiler@...> wrote:
I sometimes wonder if all the cursors and system focus in JAWS can be moved to separate spots on the page, as if you had one hand feeling the top of the wall and the other hand feeling a lower part of the wall, each hand gathering information from different places. For example, I noticed you can route the JAWS cursor to the PC cursor. But I don't think I have a firm understanding of that. Can intermediate or advanced JAWS users say something about that?


moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Dave Durber
 


Steve:
 
Have you ever tried any image backup software?
 
Dave

 
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Hi Brian,

 

Personally, I wouldn’t restore or backup an image, too much to go wrong, even on the same hardware.

 

I usually reset my PC and reinstall apps.  I can back up my personal data just using Windows, but since resetting a Windows 10 PC is now accessible completely, that’s what I do.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 03 May 2020 20:21
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I would suggest those really interested in what's being discussed also look at the following two recent topics on other groups:

https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/73315213

Windows PE ISO file with NVDA installed
, specifically message, https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/73144, if you're looking to source versions of WinPE with NVDA built in.  The EXE files were created using Rufus based on what the original poster said to me when I asked.

For myself, I would not rely on any ZIP utility as my primary system image backup.  There is a reason that system image backup and recovery utilities, and many of them, exist to make the process easier and far more foolproof.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: How to remove the check boxes that proceed my file names

Jim Weiss
 

Thank you.  Yes, Windows Explorer, my terminology is very out of date.  My last time using Windows was in 2011 and I was sighted then.  Like I mentioned, I am a complete newbie to Windows again.
Jim Weiss


“The only thing worse then being blind is having sight with no vision” | Helen Keller


On May 14, 2020, at 5:14 AM, fenderwal@... wrote:

If by File Explorer you mean Windows Explorer, here's what to do.
 
Open Windows Explorer.
press Alt-T for Tools, O for options.
In the property page that opens, shift tab to the tab controls and right arrow to the view tab.
Tab to the tree view and find the item called "Use check boxes to select items." I pressed the letter U and jumped right to it.
Press spacebar to unselect the tree view item.
Tab to OK and press spacebar.
 
If File Explorer is different than Windows Explorer, maybe File Explorer copied the menu choices, property page and so on from Windows Explorer. Couldn't hurt to try.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Weiss via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 3:35 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: How to remove the check boxes that proceed my file names

All,’I just bought a new laptop and all of my file names in file explorer and the icons on the desktop have a check box that proceed them.  I remember changing this setting a long time ago, but for the life of me I can’t find it.  I seem to remember making this change inside of file explorer, but can’t remember where.  Also, what is the purpose for the check boxes?
Thank you in advance,
Jim
P.S.  I apologize if this is a very basic question, but I am a Mac user just getting back into the Windows pool and to say the least I am still in the kiddie pool.
Jim Weiss


“I would rather walk with a friend in the dark; than alone in the light.” | Helen Keller




moderated Re: How to remove the check boxes that proceed my file names

fenderwal@...
 

If by File Explorer you mean Windows Explorer, here's what to do.
 
Open Windows Explorer.
press Alt-T for Tools, O for options.
In the property page that opens, shift tab to the tab controls and right arrow to the view tab.
Tab to the tree view and find the item called "Use check boxes to select items." I pressed the letter U and jumped right to it.
Press spacebar to unselect the tree view item.
Tab to OK and press spacebar.
 
If File Explorer is different than Windows Explorer, maybe File Explorer copied the menu choices, property page and so on from Windows Explorer. Couldn't hurt to try.



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Weiss via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 3:35 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: How to remove the check boxes that proceed my file names

All,’I just bought a new laptop and all of my file names in file explorer and the icons on the desktop have a check box that proceed them.  I remember changing this setting a long time ago, but for the life of me I can’t find it.  I seem to remember making this change inside of file explorer, but can’t remember where.  Also, what is the purpose for the check boxes?
Thank you in advance,
Jim
P.S.  I apologize if this is a very basic question, but I am a Mac user just getting back into the Windows pool and to say the least I am still in the kiddie pool.
Jim Weiss


“I would rather walk with a friend in the dark; than alone in the light.” | Helen Keller



moderated advanced users: Multiple cursors

Mark
 

I sometimes wonder if all the cursors and system focus in JAWS can be moved to separate spots on the page, as if you had one hand feeling the top of the wall and the other hand feeling a lower part of the wall, each hand gathering information from different places. For example, I noticed you can route the JAWS cursor to the PC cursor. But I don't think I have a firm understanding of that. Can intermediate or advanced JAWS users say something about that?


moderated How to remove the check boxes that proceed my file names

Jim Weiss
 

All,’I just bought a new laptop and all of my file names in file explorer and the icons on the desktop have a check box that proceed them.  I remember changing this setting a long time ago, but for the life of me I can’t find it.  I seem to remember making this change inside of file explorer, but can’t remember where.  Also, what is the purpose for the check boxes?
Thank you in advance,
Jim
P.S.  I apologize if this is a very basic question, but I am a Mac user just getting back into the Windows pool and to say the least I am still in the kiddie pool.
Jim Weiss


“I would rather walk with a friend in the dark; than alone in the light.” | Helen Keller



moderated Re: Zoom with JAWS and bluetooth headphones

David Diamond
 

I use an audio mixer from Amazon.  The way it works is, JAWS is set to go through the mixer as is my Bluetooth hearing aids.  This way I hear everything.  The Zoom meetings and everything that can be seen by the host or other participants.  Who has left, who has joined etcetera. I believe the mixer cost $39.95.  No taxes or shipping costs.    


moderated Re: Hardware Drivers

Glenn / Lenny
 

Hi Annabelle,
I would run the jaws installer, and you will be given the option to repair, and it is either at that point where the reinstall video intercept is, or that is further into the repair Jaws.
Jaws has a dedicated video intercept utility somewhere in the freedom scientific folder in Program Files or Program files (x86) folder as well, but I don't know the exact name of the file off-hand, but it can be found.
Glenn
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 10:16 PM
Subject: Hardware Drivers

Hi, it's Annabelle.
If I was to reinstall the original hardware drivers for my motherboard, a Gigabyte Z68X-UD3H-B3, Rev 1.0 on Windows 7 64 Bit Build 6.1.7600.16385, what is the best way to fix JAWS 15 if something happens to the Mirror Driver?

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