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Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit
Randy Barnett
The majority as they don't go online and tell everyone it is working well... There are a couple of hundred people on the lists I read and there are over 100 thousand jaws users out there.
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On 5/3/2020 8:34 AM, Patrick Murphy wrote:
It would be interesting to know, in general, how many of us have actually used jaws 2020 without problems?
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Re: JAWS 2020 Latest Update and Remote Support UI
Randy Barnett
Did you try going to services and disableing it there?
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On 5/3/2020 4:34 AM, Cornelius wrote:
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Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit
Randy Barnett
Sounds like an outlook issue not a jaws issue. Outlook is
crashing Jaws not the other way around.
On 5/3/2020 10:15 AM, Bill White wrote:
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Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit
Randy Barnett
In the last 25 years of using Jaws I have never had it toast the OS. I have had to do a complete removal of all components and registry entries but that was the worst case. I think It screwed my video driver once back in the XP days.
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On 5/3/2020 5:26 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:
And so it goes with JFW... I finally took the leap of Faith and installed the latest update to Jaws 2020 yesterday afternoon. The install corrupted something and I have to uninstall all JFW components and reinstall all from scratch. This is the 2nd time in a year that a JFW install has done something as this. The last time, it corrupted my Operating System and the Entire Hard-Drive was toast and had to be wiped clean and all re-installed. Be sure to have a back-up of your hard-drive before you do any JFW installs... Too obvious to be a mere coincidence...
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Re: mute in zoom
tina sohl
I was also wondering about this. I may be trying zoom this week for
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the first time on my laptop so thanks for mentioning this.
On 5/6/20, Ann Byrne <annakb@...> wrote:
If audio is muted, pressing alt+a and holding spacebar will temporarily
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Re: create a rule for this list
On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 12:29 AM, Mike B wrote:
I suggested this because there are several people that cross postMike, I have no doubt you would have gotten tired of straggler messages from cross-posters. There are many, many venues where cross-posting gets a single warning and immediate banning afterward. It just is not done! Your idea makes perfect sense if there are those with no training in netiquette who would dare cross-post. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
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Re: create a rule for this list
Mike B
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Brian,
I suggested this because there are several people
that cross post and I got tired of the straggler emails that come through into
my In-box instead of the assigned folder. It's not a big deal, but
everytime I got 1 of these emails in my In-box instead of its folder it made me
think, okay who the hell is this and where / why am I getting this crap!
LOL So, I stopped that real quick by modifying my message
rule.
Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.
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From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2020 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: create a rule for this list But, both the To: and Reply-To: fields in the message are main@jfw.groups.io So long as your filter is does an "or" as Mike has specified for the value in either to To: or CC: fields you should be fine, but I'd start out just filtering on To: and see if that is enough. -- Brian - Windows
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Re: Outlook: read recipient's name by character in the "to" field
Arkadiusz Świętnicki
Oh, the trick with INSERT+8 did not work, as I thought as insert+UP arrow does not work either. Wow that’s really bad. It should work much like in the “Smart navigation mode”
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 11:33 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Outlook: read recipient's name by character in the "to" field
An alternative is to copy the address to Notepad, where right and left arrows will read by letter, and on confirming it’s correct, copy and paste back into the message’s “to” field. Of course, empty the “To” field before pasting.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Hi, Arkadiusz. To do this, either use the NumPad, and Press JAWS Key plus eight on the NumPad twice quickly to get it to spell the link character by character, or, if you have your JAWS set to Laptop layout, use CAPS LOCK+I twice quickly to get it to spell character by character.
Bill White
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Hello, How to achieve the thing I need? Sometimes I want to check whether the spelling of the e-mail address I entered is correct, but when I press left/right arrows in the “to” field, JAWS reads the whole name.
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Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit
Arkadiusz Świętnicki
Wow, interesting that I have never heard of this software. One never stops learning.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 10:14 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit
I think it is what ever you get accustomed to using. Image for Windows did cost me around $40, but it has always worked to restore my hard drives.
You can use IFW to create a recovery disk that includes Narrator so you have a screen reader to use to restore your PC. That is an absolute necessity if Windows is so messed up that your PC won’t boot up in to Windows.
Since this recovery disk has to be bootable for disaster recovery, you would need to change your PC’s boot sequence in the BIOS. That requires eye sight but it is a one time change.
In my case, instead of getting someone to change my boot sequence in the BIOS, I use F11 and some additional key strokes to force Windows to boot up from the boot media which can be either a DVD or a thumb drive again, created with the IFW software.
Its been so long since I created the boot media that I do not have clear recollection as to how it was accomplished. The directions are in the IFW manual. I suspect that there are several members on these list who can provide you with the directions to create the boot media and provide directions on how to get a crippled PC to boot from the media if you do not want to get someone to change your boot sequence in your PC’s BIOS.
The best of luck,
James B
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Is that image for Windows a good solution? I am also searching for a good backup software.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Greetings,
I’m guessing that there is a typo in your response.
What do I need to run to tell when check boxes are checked?
And, in my Version of Image for Windows, something like V3... there is a check box in settings that is called accessible check boxes. You can check this to cause Jaws to see the state of the check boxes.
But, You will still have to use the Jaws/or equivalent cursor to tell that they are checked in some places in the menus. Also, in some places in the menus, you will see a PLUS SIGN instead of a checkbox for example, to indicate that a drive has been selected to be added to the back up process.
In my particular case, on all 3 of my laptops, I just hit the space bar to put a PLUS SIGN in front of my primary drive/C drive to do a full back up. IFW has never let me down with Windows 7 or Windows 10 and I have done recoveries on all 3.
Regards,
James B
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of george b
Runjcortona Microsoft speech and they will read
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of René H. Nielsen
Hi! I use Image for Windows, but do you know how to make the checkboxes accessible? It is something in an ini-file.
Best regards René H. Nielsen
Fra: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> På vegne af Steve Matzura
Terabyte Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite is 100% accessible beginning to end, including the recovery disk. There's an option to set in an INI file when building the recovery disk that will automatically start Narrator when said disk is booted. Works a treat, as they say. Best fifty bucks you'll ever spend on your computer. http://www.terabyteunlimited.com
On 5/3/2020 12:57 PM, David Griffith wrote:
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Re: create a rule for this list
Glenn / Lenny
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One can test criteria for a rule first by using the
"find" command, which in OE and in Outlook is shift + control + F.
Then use the various fields to find
messages.
So in your "to" field put:
I'm sure you could filter with just
as well.
You can use as many fields as you wish, but the
more criteria you use, the less it will find, and likewise, less it will
filter.
But if that gets the results you want in a regular
search filter, then use that criteria for your working filter.
Glenn
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From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2020 11:07 PM
Subject: Re: create a rule for this list But, both the To: and Reply-To: fields in the message are main@jfw.groups.io So long as your filter is does an "or" as Mike has specified for the value in either to To: or CC: fields you should be fine, but I'd start out just filtering on To: and see if that is enough. -- Brian - Windows
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Re: create a rule for this list
Pramit
Hi Lenny, Follow the below steps to create the rules to move the email from a particular group to a specific folder.
Hope this helps Pramit
On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 9:00 AM Lenny McHugh <LennyMcHugh@...> wrote: Ok folks, I have message rules for every group to which I belong. I am using office 2019. How do I create a rule for this group? All of my other groups I target on the group name being within the subject.
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Re: create a rule for this list
I changed my subscription to individual messages, and thanks to Mike B's reply I can definitively state that I was wrong, completely wrong, about the [jfw].
But, both the To: and Reply-To: fields in the message are main@jfw.groups.io So long as your filter is does an "or" as Mike has specified for the value in either to To: or CC: fields you should be fine, but I'd start out just filtering on To: and see if that is enough. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
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Re: create a rule for this list
Mike B
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Hi Lenny,
Because people will use different criteria from
their address book when sending to this group I've had to use both the, To &
CC field option, Below is what I use when creating a message rule for this
group.
Apply this rule after the message arrives Where
the To or CC line contains 'jfw@groups.io'
or 'main@jfw.groups.io'
Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.
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From: Lenny
McHugh
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2020 7:37 PM
Subject: create a rule for this list All help welcomed. I want to send these messages to my jfw folder. Thanks Lenny -- Please visit my web page It’s motivational, inspirational with a touch of humor There is also a very extensive resource list for the blind https://www.LennyMcHugh.com International Brotherhood of Magicians member #4399
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Re: create a rule for this list
I believe that:
[jfw] shows up in the subject of any message from this group. But it's been ages since I used the e-mail interface. But I know that the NVDA group uses [nvda] and Android Accessibility has [androidaccessibility]. It would only make sense that this group uses [jfw] in all its subjects when e-mail is sent. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
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Re: create a rule for this list
Glenn / Lenny
When filtering a list, one's intuition is to use the "from" filter, but I
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learned a long time back that this was incorrect, and the way to filter out a list is to put it in the "to" field. So to filter this list, in the to field, put: main@jfw.groups.io and you can send all messages that were sent to this list to another folder. HTH. Glenn
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From: "Lenny McHugh" <LennyMcHugh@...> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2020 9:37 PM Subject: create a rule for this list Ok folks, I have message rules for every group to which I belong. I am using office 2019. How do I create a rule for this group? All of my other groups I target on the group name being within the subject. All help welcomed. I want to send these messages to my jfw folder. Thanks Lenny -- Please visit my web page It’s motivational, inspirational with a touch of humor There is also a very extensive resource list for the blind https://www.LennyMcHugh.com International Brotherhood of Magicians member #4399
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create a rule for this list
Lenny McHugh
Ok folks, I have message rules for every group to which I belong. I am using office 2019. How do I create a rule for this group? All of my other groups I target on the group name being within the subject.
All help welcomed. I want to send these messages to my jfw folder. Thanks Lenny -- Please visit my web page It’s motivational, inspirational with a touch of humor There is also a very extensive resource list for the blind https://www.LennyMcHugh.com International Brotherhood of Magicians member #4399
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Re: mute in zoom
Ann Byrne
If audio is muted, pressing alt+a and holding spacebar will temporarily unmute the audio. Hold spacebar down while you talk, then release it to be muted again.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Stan Holdeman
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 3:24 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: mute in zoom
Thanks, guys. A big help.
Stan
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@...> On Behalf Of Bill White
It's a Zoom Application keystroke, and will work, even if JAWS is not running. You might want to try it with Narrator.
Bill White
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Stan Holdeman
Listers: Please remind me of the mute keystroke in Zoom. Is this a jaws keystroke or does it work even if jaws is not running?
Stan
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Re: mute in zoom
Justin Williams
Alt a will mute and unmute. It is a toggle switch.
There is a way to do this even if you are in word or another program, but you have to set that up.
Thanks,
Justin
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 3:23 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: mute in zoom
It's a Zoom Application keystroke, and will work, even if JAWS is not running. You might want to try it with Narrator.
Bill White
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Stan Holdeman
Listers: Please remind me of the mute keystroke in Zoom. Is this a jaws keystroke or does it work even if jaws is not running?
Stan
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Re: Word 365 Font, Line Spacing & Margins
Mike B
Hi Robin,
Here's more clarification that's very interesting. This
comes from the article URL George B posted.
Now pay attention to the Line Spacing setting. Use the
drop-down list to choose Exactly, and then in the box to the right of the
drop-down list enter your
calculated line spacing of 25.9 points. You should also make sure that the Don't Add Space check box is clear if you put anything in the After box; if you set the After box to 0 then the Don't Add Space check box doesn't really matter. Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.
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Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2020 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: Word 365 Font, Line Spacing & Margins Mike, Thank you for correcting me. Office 365 also says “Don’t add space between paragraphs of the same style check box” Interesting, mine is currently unchecked, but I can see well enough to see that it’s not putting the extra space in. Anyway, probably safest to check the box or you could end up with way more space between paragraphs than you were expecting. Robin
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Mike B
Hi Robin,
In your last step it says; Tab to the checkbox that asks if you want space between each paragraph of the same type. Uncheck this box.
In Word 2010 it says; Don't add space between paragraphs of the same style, checkbox checked.
I left mine checked since it sounds like the wording has changed between Word 2010 and Word 365.
I'm only mentioning this in case others might get confused by the difference in the wording. Thanks again.
----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2020 8:09 AM Subject: Re: Word 365 Font, Line Spacing & Margins
Others are sharing tips that all do play into lines per page. The biggest difference starting in Word 2010 and later Word is that Microsoft decided to make the default now include some extra visual spacing between each line that is not controlled by your typical single, double or 1.5 line spacing. We blind folks would have no way of knowing this has changed except for seeing that less content fits on a page and/or that one setting is different. If she is using the same font as in the past, I’ll bet that the real kicker for her is this new formatting, which is controlled in the paragraph settings. As someone noted, what she wants is the following: Here is how to fix it in the default.
Go into a document. If she needs to fix a current document, press Control A to select all in the document. Press the application key to open the context menu and arrow down to paragraph. A dialog box will open. Tab through till you hear the settings for “Before” and also “After”. In both of these edit boxes, type 0. Tab to the line spacing combo box and be sure it is set to Single. Then tab to the checkbox that asks if you want space between each paragraph of the same type. Uncheck this box. Tab to the button to “Set as default” and click it. Then tab to OK and hit that.
The same steps can be done in an empty document to set this to the default for your copy of Word.
Robin
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Richard Turner
My recommendation is to open a blank document. Press the applications key or shift+f10, and then the letter f for fonts. Pick the font she wants, tab to regular, then tab to size and if she wants 46 lines, 12 point will give her that with most fonts. Then either shift tab a bunch or continue tabbing a bunch to set as default and hit space bar, then a dialog comes up that is defaulting to this document only, tab twice to the radio button and arrow down once to for all documents based on the normal template and hit enter. She may need another enter on OK to get it to stick. For the Margins, press Alt+p which puts you on the Layout tab, arrow down once and Margin is the first item. Hit space on that and then she can either do a custom or arrow through and find 1 inch margins. And select that. One more thing I would do that probably means she will need to go back to Layout with Alt+p and down arrow, then tab to the settings for before Paragraph and after Paragraph and make sure they are both set to 0. Otherwise, you get odd extra spacing and sighted folks, at least my wife, are not happy.
I hope that helps,
Richard "There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Mike B
Hi All,
I don't run Word 365, so could someone please post steps for how to set font, line spacing & margins for the young ladies post below?
From: Rena
What can I do to have pages of 46 lines?
Just in case, I use jaws
2020. Thank you all very much.
Take care. Mike.
Sent from my iBarstool. This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential
information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not
the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying,
distributing or using any of this information. If you received this
communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the
material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication
may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the
restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly
reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the
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Re: Word 365 Font, Line Spacing & Margins
Van Lant, Robin
Mike, Thank you for correcting me. Office 365 also says “Don’t add space between paragraphs of the same style check box” Interesting, mine is currently unchecked, but I can see well enough to see that it’s not putting the extra space in. Anyway, probably safest to check the box or you could end up with way more space between paragraphs than you were expecting. Robin
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Mike B
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 11:34 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Word 365 Font, Line Spacing & Margins
Hi Robin,
In your last step it says; Tab to the checkbox that asks if you want space between each paragraph of the same type. Uncheck this box.
In Word 2010 it says; Don't add space between paragraphs of the same style, checkbox checked.
I left mine checked since it sounds like the wording has changed between Word 2010 and Word 365.
I'm only mentioning this in case others might get confused by the difference in the wording. Thanks again.
----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2020 8:09 AM Subject: Re: Word 365 Font, Line Spacing & Margins
Others are sharing tips that all do play into lines per page. The biggest difference starting in Word 2010 and later Word is that Microsoft decided to make the default now include some extra visual spacing between each line that is not controlled by your typical single, double or 1.5 line spacing. We blind folks would have no way of knowing this has changed except for seeing that less content fits on a page and/or that one setting is different. If she is using the same font as in the past, I’ll bet that the real kicker for her is this new formatting, which is controlled in the paragraph settings. As someone noted, what she wants is the following: Here is how to fix it in the default.
Go into a document. If she needs to fix a current document, press Control A to select all in the document. Press the application key to open the context menu and arrow down to paragraph. A dialog box will open. Tab through till you hear the settings for “Before” and also “After”. In both of these edit boxes, type 0. Tab to the line spacing combo box and be sure it is set to Single. Then tab to the checkbox that asks if you want space between each paragraph of the same type. Uncheck this box. Tab to the button to “Set as default” and click it. Then tab to OK and hit that.
The same steps can be done in an empty document to set this to the default for your copy of Word.
Robin
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Richard Turner
My recommendation is to open a blank document. Press the applications key or shift+f10, and then the letter f for fonts. Pick the font she wants, tab to regular, then tab to size and if she wants 46 lines, 12 point will give her that with most fonts. Then either shift tab a bunch or continue tabbing a bunch to set as default and hit space bar, then a dialog comes up that is defaulting to this document only, tab twice to the radio button and arrow down once to for all documents based on the normal template and hit enter. She may need another enter on OK to get it to stick. For the Margins, press Alt+p which puts you on the Layout tab, arrow down once and Margin is the first item. Hit space on that and then she can either do a custom or arrow through and find 1 inch margins. And select that. One more thing I would do that probably means she will need to go back to Layout with Alt+p and down arrow, then tab to the settings for before Paragraph and after Paragraph and make sure they are both set to 0. Otherwise, you get odd extra spacing and sighted folks, at least my wife, are not happy.
I hope that helps,
Richard "There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Mike B
Hi All,
I don't run Word 365, so could someone please post steps for how to set font, line spacing & margins for the young ladies post below?
From: Rena
What can I do to have pages of 46 lines?
Just in case, I use jaws 2020. Thank you all very much.
Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or
using any of this information. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about
consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information.
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