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moderated Re: JAWS 2020 Latest Update and Remote Support UI

Randy Barnett
 

Did you try going to services and disableing it there?

On 5/3/2020 4:34 AM, Cornelius wrote:

Hi all,
Regarding the latest update to JAWS2020, I found out there is an extra tasks called RemoteSupportUI running on task manager.
There is no option to set it to not run, and running extra tasks like that for someone who does not, and will not use remote support on a JAWS Home licence is a waste of resources, not to mention that JAWS has already have so many tasks needed to run.

I am still hopeful that one day there will be a way to trim the features of JAWS during installationand remove those extras that not everyone need.



moderated Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Randy Barnett
 

Sounds like an outlook issue not a jaws issue. Outlook is crashing Jaws not the other way around.

On 5/3/2020 10:15 AM, Bill White wrote:

As I said, Brian, if I try to perform any keystroke after getting one of these messages, JAWS stops running, and I must perform an ALT plus CONTROL plus J command to restart JAWS. This usually happens with Outlook 2010, when trying to move messages between folders. I have tried both a JAWS repair and a JAWS reinstall, and neither solved the problem.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 9:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 12:09 PM, Bill White wrote:

If I get one of those messages from Windows 10 saying that a program is not responding

Have you tried ALT+Tabbing to something else and waiting it out?  I get the occasional "Not Responding" message, too, but it almost always resolves itself given sufficient time (which can be a few seconds to a few minutes).  Everything else keeps working.

Now, if it's JAWS itself that goes into "Not responding" mode, you're really kinda stuck.  I've actually never had a screen reader go into that state, but I can't see any reason why they'd be immune to it and I imagine some have landed in this quandary.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Randy Barnett
 

In the last 25 years of using Jaws  I have never had it toast the OS. I have had to do a complete removal of all components and registry entries but that was the worst case. I think It screwed my video driver once back in the XP days.

On 5/3/2020 5:26 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:
And so it goes with JFW... I finally took the leap of Faith and installed the latest update to Jaws 2020 yesterday afternoon. The install corrupted something and I have to uninstall all JFW components and reinstall all from scratch. This is the 2nd time in a year that a JFW install has done something as this. The last time, it corrupted my Operating System and the Entire Hard-Drive was toast and had to be wiped clean and all re-installed. Be sure to have a back-up of your hard-drive before you do any JFW installs... Too obvious to be a mere coincidence...


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 5:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Hello Pat:

You could probably make the change Ceigart mentioned, using the registry editor.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Murphy" <murphy.patrick42@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit


Hi,

the group policy editor is only available in windows 10 professional
addition.
there is nothing like it in windows 10 home edition.
pat



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick
Mladek
Sent: Saturday 2 May 2020 18:58
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Sieghard,

Where do we find this setting?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 12:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Sieghard, could you tell us what the group policy item was, or point to the
post? I'm curious as to what it might have been.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday 2 May 2020 16:54
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Hello Pat,

I don't wan to minimize the issues you had, but Jaws 2020 has been out for
over 6 months and while there will always be certain configurations and
systems with various issues, these may not always be 100% the fault of Jaws.
I, for example, had one computer where for over a year I could not use any
of the Windows apps like Calculator and in addition to that Jaws would read
absolutely nothing in the start menu or the Settings app. I could open
Settings and when somebody checked I was told visually everything was fine,
I could right arrow and down arrow and focus would move, I could press enter
and whatever category I was on opened up and so on, but Jaws was absolutely
silent. This was even before Jaws 2020 came out and it was like this with
Jaws 2018 and Jaws 2019 and nothing I did including completely uninstalling
both versions, deleting all Jaws folders and reinstalling would fix it. At
the same time I had another almost identical computer at my business with
very similar hardware and all worked fine. Finally I read a post somewhere
where another user had the same problem and somehow they either found out or
were told to check if a particular item in the group policy editor in
Windows 10 Pro was enabled. I checked the same setting and it was disabled
on this particular computer, I have no idea why or how, but it was and as
soon as I enabled it all worked perfectly. Narrator, by the way, worked just
fine in the Settings app, start menu and calculator, it was just Jaws which
had the problem and the problem which fixed the issue had nothing to do with
Jaws, but was simply a Windows setting.
I mentioned this because it shows how sometimes a problem with Jaws can be
extremely specific to one system and be caused by something which is
directly not even related to Jaws. I am convinced that if I had wiped the
system and reinstalled Windows this would have also fixed the problem, but
this happened to be on the PC we use as the main register at my retail store
and there is other software on this system which is not quite so easy to
reinstall so for the longest time I just put up with it and used Narrator if
I wanted to do something in the Settings, I hardly ever use the start menu
anyways and when I needed to calculate something I'd just open up Excel
instead of using the Calculator. This way I could work around the problem,
but it was sure nice when it turned out to be such a simple fix which took
me all of 30 seconds to make.

Best regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 7:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Hi,

Not surprised you are having trouble. I myself, only recently, had trouble
with installing jaws 2020. I had an authorization problem with windows 10.
Like you, i had to uninstall everything and reinstall everything.
Perhaps freedom scientific should look at this version of jaws again, and
take the bugs out of it.
God knows what else is wrong that hasn't been discovered yet.
Pat
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of ratshtron
Sent: Friday 1 May 2020 16:37
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

I have tried to update to the latest jaws 2020 on a windows 7 32bit system
and when I do my system starts rebooting over and over. I get the error that
the gdihooks.dll is missing from my computer and to reinstall the software.
I finally got it to work removing all the jaws installations and only
installing a 2003 build of 2020. Now, on my laptop running windows 10 had no
problems with the 2004.66 update of jaws 2020. go figure!


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moderated Re: mute in zoom

tina sohl
 

I was also wondering about this. I may be trying zoom this week for
the first time on my laptop so thanks for mentioning this.

On 5/6/20, Ann Byrne <annakb@...> wrote:
If audio is muted, pressing alt+a and holding spacebar will temporarily
unmute the audio. Hold spacebar down while you talk, then release it to be
muted again.





From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Stan Holdeman
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 3:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: mute in zoom



Thanks, guys. A big help.



Stan





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@...
<mailto:main@...> > On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 3:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: mute in zoom



It's a Zoom Application keystroke, and will work, even if JAWS is not
running. You might want to try it with Narrator.



Bill White

billwhite92701@... <mailto:billwhite92701@...>



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Stan Holdeman
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 11:32 AM
To: jfw@groups.io <mailto:jfw@groups.io>
Subject: mute in zoom



Listers: Please remind me of the mute keystroke in Zoom. Is this a jaws
keystroke or does it work even if jaws is not running?



Stan









moderated Re: create a rule for this list

 

On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 12:29 AM, Mike B wrote:
I suggested this because there are several people that cross post
Mike, I have no doubt you would have gotten tired of straggler messages from cross-posters.  There are many, many venues where cross-posting gets a single warning and immediate banning afterward.  It just is not done!

Your idea makes perfect sense if there are those with no training in netiquette who would dare cross-post.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: create a rule for this list

Mike B
 


Brian,
 
I suggested this because there are several people that cross post and I got tired of the straggler emails that come through into my In-box instead of the assigned folder.  It's not a big deal, but everytime I got 1 of these emails in my In-box instead of its folder it made me think, okay who the hell is this and where / why am I getting this crap!  LOL    So, I stopped that real quick by modifying my message rule.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2020 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: create a rule for this list

I changed my subscription to individual messages, and thanks to Mike B's reply I can definitively state that I was wrong, completely wrong, about the [jfw].

But, both the To: and Reply-To: fields in the message are main@jfw.groups.io

So long as your filter is does an "or" as Mike has specified for the value in either to To: or CC: fields you should be fine, but I'd start out just filtering on To: and see if that is enough.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Outlook: read recipient's name by character in the "to" field

Arkadiusz Świętnicki
 

Oh, the trick with INSERT+8 did not work, as I thought as insert+UP arrow does not work either. Wow that’s really bad. It should work much like in the “Smart navigation mode”

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 11:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook: read recipient's name by character in the "to" field

 

An alternative is to copy the address to Notepad, where right and left arrows will read by letter, and on confirming it’s correct, copy and paste back into the message’s “to” field. Of course, empty the “To” field before pasting.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 3:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook: read recipient's name by character in the "to" field

 

Hi, Arkadiusz. To do this, either use the NumPad, and Press JAWS Key plus eight on the NumPad twice quickly to get it to spell the link character by character, or, if you have your JAWS set to Laptop layout, use CAPS LOCK+I twice quickly to get it to spell character by character.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Outlook: read recipient's name by character in the "to" field

 

Hello,

How to achieve the thing I need? Sometimes I want to check whether the spelling of the e-mail address I entered is correct, but when I press left/right arrows in the “to” field, JAWS reads the whole name.


moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Arkadiusz Świętnicki
 

Wow, interesting that I have never heard of this software. One never stops learning.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 10:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I think it is what ever you get accustomed to using.  Image for Windows did cost me around $40, but it has always worked to restore my hard drives.

 

You can use IFW to create a recovery disk that includes Narrator so you have a screen reader to use to restore your PC.  That is an absolute necessity if Windows is so messed up that your PC won’t boot up in to Windows.

 

Since this recovery disk has to be bootable for disaster recovery, you would need to change your PC’s boot sequence in the BIOS.  That requires eye sight but it is a one time change.

 

In my case, instead of getting someone to change my boot sequence in the BIOS, I use F11 and some additional key strokes to force Windows to boot up from the boot media which can be either a DVD or a thumb drive again, created with the IFW software.

 

Its been so long since I created the boot media that I do not have clear recollection as to how it was accomplished.  The directions are in the IFW manual.  I suspect that there are several members on these list who can provide you with the directions to create the boot media and provide directions on how to get a crippled PC to boot from the media if you do not want to get someone to change your boot sequence in your PC’s BIOS.

 

The best of luck,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 2:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Is that image for Windows a good solution? I am also searching for a good backup software.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 8:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Greetings,

 

I’m guessing that there is a typo in your response.

 

What do I need to run to tell when check boxes are checked?

 

And, in my Version of Image for Windows, something like V3... there is a check box in settings that is called accessible check boxes.  You can check this to cause Jaws to see the state of the check boxes.

 

But, You will still have to use the Jaws/or equivalent cursor to tell that they are checked in some places in the menus.  Also, in some places in the menus, you will see a PLUS SIGN instead of a checkbox for example, to indicate that a drive has been selected to be added to the back up process.

 

In my particular case, on all 3 of my laptops, I just hit the space bar to put a PLUS SIGN in front of my primary drive/C drive to do a full back up.  IFW has never let me down with Windows 7 or Windows 10 and I have done recoveries on all 3.

 

Regards,

 

James B

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of george b
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Runjcortona Microsoft speech and they will read

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of René H. Nielsen
Sent: May 6, 2020 10:29
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hi!

I use Image for Windows, but do you know how to make the checkboxes accessible? It is something in an ini-file.

 

Best regards René H. Nielsen

 

 

Fra: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> På vegne af Steve Matzura
Sendt: 3. maj 2020 19:15
Til: main@jfw.groups.io
Emne: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Terabyte Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite is 100% accessible beginning to end, including the recovery disk. There's an option to set in an INI file when building the recovery disk that will automatically start Narrator when said disk is booted. Works a treat, as they say. Best fifty bucks you'll ever spend on your computer. http://www.terabyteunlimited.com

 

On 5/3/2020 12:57 PM, David Griffith wrote:

I use a solution which is I suppose is 3/4 accessible. Snapshot will allow a fully accessible disc image backup. Provided you can get into Windows at all the restore of the image is also a fully accessible. You simply select the image you want to restore to and Snapshot will simply restart your computer and about 20 minutes later you will hear your screen reader announce your Windows login for the restored image. I have done this several times with success without sighted help. Where it falls down is if your system is in such a state it cannot boot into Windows. The developers provide an ISO file to create a bootable CD drive but of course there is no speech here on that disc. They did tell me what I needed to type once the CD loaded to restore windows but in practice in these situations I have always resorted to sighted help and a fresh windows install.

David Griffith

 

 

On 3 May 2020, at 17:44, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:



Tom,

If you boot to Win PE, you can use 7Zip to zip up your HD and unzip it if you need to at a later time.

Also, when you do this, you can delete two system files that are temp files, and will save you the amount of twice your RAM.

So if you have 4GB of RAM, you can save 8GB by deleting pagefile.sys and hiberfil.sys before zipping up your HD, and windows will recreate those two files on boot-up.

They are just temp files Windows uses as virtual memory.

 

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 11:31 AM

Subject: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello.

 

I know this has been addressed before, but could someone suggest an accessible system backup image program that is easy to use independently, and that works well with Jaws?

 

I routinely back up all my files, but would like to be able to back up my complete hard drive if possible.

 

Until now, I’ve always understood that these backup image programs have accessibility issues at certain points, but perhaps I’m wrong.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 08:26 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Too obvious to be a mere coincidence...

If you have had this occur, twice, you should be looking at something being wrong with your hardware.

Application software has never, in my decades of experience, corrupted any OS (and I don't count viruses or malware as "application software.")

You are, however, giving people very good advice with regard to having a backup protocol and taking full system image backups on a routine cycle.  The number of things that have the potential to cause a system to crash are numerous, and generally related to people screwing around with the OS itself in ways they shouldn't or drive failure.  Having a backup saves you untold time and grief.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: create a rule for this list

Glenn / Lenny
 


One can test criteria for a rule first by using the "find" command, which in OE and in Outlook is shift + control + F.
Then use the various fields to find messages.
So in your "to" field put:
I'm sure you could filter with just
as well.
You can use as many fields as you wish, but the more criteria you use, the less it will find, and likewise, less it will filter.
But if that gets the results you want in a regular search filter, then use that criteria for your working filter.
 
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2020 11:07 PM
Subject: Re: create a rule for this list

I changed my subscription to individual messages, and thanks to Mike B's reply I can definitively state that I was wrong, completely wrong, about the [jfw].

But, both the To: and Reply-To: fields in the message are main@jfw.groups.io

So long as your filter is does an "or" as Mike has specified for the value in either to To: or CC: fields you should be fine, but I'd start out just filtering on To: and see if that is enough.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: create a rule for this list

Pramit
 

Hi Lenny,

Follow the below steps to create the rules to move the email from a particular group to a specific folder.

  1. Hit the application key on a message in your inbox and arrow down to select Rules.
  2. Right Arrow on Rules and select Create Rule.
  3. In the Create Rule dialogue box, select one or more of the first three checkboxes. (Check the box that says from email address)
  4. In the Do the following section, if you want the rule to move a message to a folder, check the Move item to folder box, then select the folder from the Select Folder dialogue that pops up, and then click OK. (Check the box that says, Move item to the folder)
  5. Click OK to save your rule.
Note: If you want to run the rule on messages you've already received, check the box on the confirmation dialogue that pops up and then click OK.

Hope this helps

Pramit



On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 9:00 AM Lenny McHugh <LennyMcHugh@...> wrote:
Ok folks, I have message rules for every group to which I belong. I am using office 2019. How do I create a rule for this group? All of my other groups I target on the group name being within the subject.
All help welcomed. I want to send these messages to my jfw folder.
Thanks Lenny
--
Please visit my web page
It’s motivational, inspirational with a touch of humor
There is also a very extensive resource list for the blind
 https://www.LennyMcHugh.com
International Brotherhood of Magicians member #4399





moderated Re: create a rule for this list

 

I changed my subscription to individual messages, and thanks to Mike B's reply I can definitively state that I was wrong, completely wrong, about the [jfw].

But, both the To: and Reply-To: fields in the message are main@jfw.groups.io

So long as your filter is does an "or" as Mike has specified for the value in either to To: or CC: fields you should be fine, but I'd start out just filtering on To: and see if that is enough.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: create a rule for this list

Mike B
 


Hi Lenny,
 
Because people will use different criteria from their address book when sending to this group I've had to use both the, To & CC field option,  Below is what I use when creating a message rule for this group.
 
Apply this rule after the message arrives Where the To or CC line contains 'jfw@groups.io' or 'main@jfw.groups.io' 

 
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2020 7:37 PM
Subject: create a rule for this list

Ok folks, I have message rules for every group to which I belong. I am using office 2019. How do I create a rule for this group? All of my other groups I target on the group name being within the subject.
All help welcomed. I want to send these messages to my jfw folder.
Thanks Lenny
--
Please visit my web page
It’s motivational, inspirational with a touch of humor
There is also a very extensive resource list for the blind
 https://www.LennyMcHugh.com
International Brotherhood of Magicians member #4399




moderated Re: create a rule for this list

 

I believe that:

[jfw]

shows up in the subject of any message from this group.  But it's been ages since I used the e-mail interface.  But I know that the NVDA group uses [nvda] and Android Accessibility has [androidaccessibility].  It would only make sense that this group uses [jfw] in all its subjects when e-mail is sent.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: create a rule for this list

Glenn / Lenny
 

When filtering a list, one's intuition is to use the "from" filter, but I
learned a long time back that this was incorrect, and the way to filter out
a list is to put it in the "to" field.
So to filter this list, in the to field, put:
main@jfw.groups.io
and you can send all messages that were sent to this list to another folder.
HTH.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lenny McHugh" <LennyMcHugh@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2020 9:37 PM
Subject: create a rule for this list


Ok folks, I have message rules for every group to which I belong. I am using
office 2019. How do I create a rule for this group? All of my other groups I
target on the group name being within the subject.
All help welcomed. I want to send these messages to my jfw folder.
Thanks Lenny
--
Please visit my web page
It’s motivational, inspirational with a touch of humor
There is also a very extensive resource list for the blind
https://www.LennyMcHugh.com
International Brotherhood of Magicians member #4399


moderated create a rule for this list

Lenny McHugh
 

Ok folks, I have message rules for every group to which I belong. I am using office 2019. How do I create a rule for this group? All of my other groups I target on the group name being within the subject.
All help welcomed. I want to send these messages to my jfw folder.
Thanks Lenny
--
Please visit my web page
It’s motivational, inspirational with a touch of humor
There is also a very extensive resource list for the blind
https://www.LennyMcHugh.com
International Brotherhood of Magicians member #4399


moderated Re: mute in zoom

Ann Byrne
 

If audio is muted, pressing alt+a and holding spacebar will temporarily unmute the audio.  Hold spacebar down while you talk, then release it to be muted again.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Stan Holdeman
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 3:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: mute in zoom

 

Thanks, guys. A big help.

 

Stan

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@...> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 3:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: mute in zoom

 

It's a Zoom Application keystroke, and will work, even if JAWS is not running. You might want to try it with Narrator.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Stan Holdeman
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 11:32 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: mute in zoom

 

Listers: Please remind me of the mute keystroke in Zoom. Is this a jaws keystroke or does it work even if jaws is not running?

 

Stan

 


moderated Re: mute in zoom

Justin Williams
 

Alt a will  mute and unmute.  It is a toggle switch.

 

There is a way to do this even if you are in word or another program, but you have to set that up.

 

Thanks,

 

Justin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 3:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: mute in zoom

 

It's a Zoom Application keystroke, and will work, even if JAWS is not running. You might want to try it with Narrator.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Stan Holdeman
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 11:32 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: mute in zoom

 

Listers: Please remind me of the mute keystroke in Zoom. Is this a jaws keystroke or does it work even if jaws is not running?

 

Stan

 


moderated Re: Word 365 Font, Line Spacing & Margins

Mike B
 

Hi Robin,
 
Here's more clarification that's very interesting.  This comes from the article URL George B posted.
 
Now pay attention to the Line Spacing setting. Use the drop-down list to choose Exactly, and then in the box to the right of the drop-down list enter your
calculated line spacing of 25.9 points. You should also make sure that the Don't Add Space check box is clear if you put anything in the After box; if
you set the After box to 0 then the Don't Add Space check box doesn't really matter.
 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2020 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: Word 365 Font, Line Spacing & Margins

Mike,

Thank you for correcting me.   Office 365 also says “Don’t add space between paragraphs of the same style check box”  Interesting, mine is currently unchecked, but I can see well enough to see that it’s not putting the extra space in. Anyway, probably safest to check the box or  you could end up with way more space between paragraphs than you were expecting.

Robin

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 11:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Word 365 Font, Line Spacing & Margins

 

Hi Robin,

 

In your last step it says;

Tab to the checkbox that asks if you want space between each paragraph of the same type.  Uncheck this box. 

 

In Word 2010 it says;

Don't add space between paragraphs of the same style, checkbox checked.

 

I left mine checked since it sounds like the wording has changed between Word 2010 and Word 365.

 

I'm only mentioning this in case others  might get confused by the difference in the wording.  Thanks again.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2020 8:09 AM

Subject: Re: Word 365 Font, Line Spacing & Margins

 

Others are sharing tips that all do play into lines per page.  The biggest difference starting in Word 2010 and later Word is that Microsoft decided to make the default now include some extra visual spacing between each line that is not controlled by your typical single, double or 1.5 line spacing.  We blind folks would have no way of knowing this has changed except for seeing that less content fits on a page and/or that one setting is different.   If she is using the same font as in the past, I’ll bet that the real kicker for her is this new formatting, which is controlled in the paragraph settings.   As someone noted, what she wants is the following:   Here is how to fix it in the default.

 

Go into a document.  If she needs to fix a current document, press Control A to select all in the document.  Press the application key to open the context menu and arrow down to paragraph. 

A dialog box will open. 

Tab through till you hear the settings for “Before” and also “After”.  In both of these edit boxes, type 0. 

Tab to the line spacing combo box and be sure it is set to Single. 

Then tab to the checkbox that asks if you want space between each paragraph of the same type.  Uncheck this box. 

Tab to the button to “Set as default” and click it.

Then tab to OK and hit that. 

 

The same steps can be done in an empty document to set this to the default for your copy of Word. 

 

Robin

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 7:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Word 365 Font, Line Spacing & Margins

 

My recommendation is to open a blank document.

Press the applications key or shift+f10, and then the letter f for fonts.

Pick the font she wants, tab to regular, then tab to size and if she wants 46 lines, 12 point will give her that with most fonts. Then either shift tab a bunch or continue tabbing a bunch to set as default and hit space bar, then a dialog comes up that is defaulting to this document only, tab twice to the radio button and arrow down once to for all documents based on the normal template and hit enter.

She may need another enter on OK to get it to stick.

For the Margins, press Alt+p which puts you on the Layout tab, arrow down once and Margin is the first item.  Hit space on that and then she can either do a custom or arrow through and find 1 inch margins. And select that.

One more thing I would do that probably means she will need to go back to Layout with Alt+p and down arrow, then tab to the settings for before Paragraph and after Paragraph and make sure they are both set to 0.

Otherwise, you get odd extra spacing and sighted folks, at least my wife, are not happy.

 

I hope that helps,

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 5:14 AM
To: JList <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Word 365 Font, Line Spacing & Margins

 

Hi All,

 

I don't run Word 365, so could someone please post steps for how to set font, line spacing & margins for the young ladies post below?

 

From: Rena
Hello,
In windows 7 and ms word 10, pages had 46 lines, but in windows 10 and ms word 365 pages only have around 30 lines.

 

What can I do to have pages of 46 lines?

 

Just in case, I use jaws 2020.
Rena

Thank you all very much.

 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.

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moderated Re: Word 365 Font, Line Spacing & Margins

Van Lant, Robin
 

Mike,

Thank you for correcting me.   Office 365 also says “Don’t add space between paragraphs of the same style check box”  Interesting, mine is currently unchecked, but I can see well enough to see that it’s not putting the extra space in. Anyway, probably safest to check the box or  you could end up with way more space between paragraphs than you were expecting.

Robin

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 11:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Word 365 Font, Line Spacing & Margins

 

Hi Robin,

 

In your last step it says;

Tab to the checkbox that asks if you want space between each paragraph of the same type.  Uncheck this box. 

 

In Word 2010 it says;

Don't add space between paragraphs of the same style, checkbox checked.

 

I left mine checked since it sounds like the wording has changed between Word 2010 and Word 365.

 

I'm only mentioning this in case others  might get confused by the difference in the wording.  Thanks again.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2020 8:09 AM

Subject: Re: Word 365 Font, Line Spacing & Margins

 

Others are sharing tips that all do play into lines per page.  The biggest difference starting in Word 2010 and later Word is that Microsoft decided to make the default now include some extra visual spacing between each line that is not controlled by your typical single, double or 1.5 line spacing.  We blind folks would have no way of knowing this has changed except for seeing that less content fits on a page and/or that one setting is different.   If she is using the same font as in the past, I’ll bet that the real kicker for her is this new formatting, which is controlled in the paragraph settings.   As someone noted, what she wants is the following:   Here is how to fix it in the default.

 

Go into a document.  If she needs to fix a current document, press Control A to select all in the document.  Press the application key to open the context menu and arrow down to paragraph. 

A dialog box will open. 

Tab through till you hear the settings for “Before” and also “After”.  In both of these edit boxes, type 0. 

Tab to the line spacing combo box and be sure it is set to Single. 

Then tab to the checkbox that asks if you want space between each paragraph of the same type.  Uncheck this box. 

Tab to the button to “Set as default” and click it.

Then tab to OK and hit that. 

 

The same steps can be done in an empty document to set this to the default for your copy of Word. 

 

Robin

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 7:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Word 365 Font, Line Spacing & Margins

 

My recommendation is to open a blank document.

Press the applications key or shift+f10, and then the letter f for fonts.

Pick the font she wants, tab to regular, then tab to size and if she wants 46 lines, 12 point will give her that with most fonts. Then either shift tab a bunch or continue tabbing a bunch to set as default and hit space bar, then a dialog comes up that is defaulting to this document only, tab twice to the radio button and arrow down once to for all documents based on the normal template and hit enter.

She may need another enter on OK to get it to stick.

For the Margins, press Alt+p which puts you on the Layout tab, arrow down once and Margin is the first item.  Hit space on that and then she can either do a custom or arrow through and find 1 inch margins. And select that.

One more thing I would do that probably means she will need to go back to Layout with Alt+p and down arrow, then tab to the settings for before Paragraph and after Paragraph and make sure they are both set to 0.

Otherwise, you get odd extra spacing and sighted folks, at least my wife, are not happy.

 

I hope that helps,

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 5:14 AM
To: JList <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Word 365 Font, Line Spacing & Margins

 

Hi All,

 

I don't run Word 365, so could someone please post steps for how to set font, line spacing & margins for the young ladies post below?

 

From: Rena
Hello,
In windows 7 and ms word 10, pages had 46 lines, but in windows 10 and ms word 365 pages only have around 30 lines.

 

What can I do to have pages of 46 lines?

 

Just in case, I use jaws 2020.
Rena

Thank you all very much.

 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.

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moderated Re: Microsoft Teams

Milton Ota
 

Hello,
Part of your problem is that you have an old version of JAWS and you should be running JAWS 2020.2004.66, which was recently released.

You should check out the Freedom Scientific Youtube Channel for demonstrations of Team with JAWS and visit the archeive on the past webinar on using JAWS with Team.

Another source for keyboard commands with Team can be found on the Microsoft accessibility page.

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Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 3:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Microsoft Teams

Impressed that so many are successfully working with MS Teams. I'm having fits.
Using Win 10 JAWS 18. I've listened to the You tube videos and checked out the Microsoft link, provided on list. What should be happening, in order to join a meeting is not consistent. Supposed to be able to hit enter on the MS Team calendar entry and have it open, revealing the join link, but I get dead silence when I do this.
I've made sure that the virtual PC is enabled, but don't know what else I can try. In general, lots of the word "blank" when hitting tab and arrow keys.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shankar C via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2020 7:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Microsoft Teams

Steven,, ctrl 2 is the keystroke for quickly get into the chat list.




On 4/2/20, Pramit <PRAMIT.VISION@...> wrote:
Hi Steven,

You can find the complete training material on Microsoft Teams at
Microsoft Support Website.
Teams is completely accessible with JAWS and adding the link below
that has all the information including working, installation,
navigation and shortcuts etc.

Basic tasks using a screen reader with Microsoft Teams
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port.office.com%2Fen-us%2Farticle%2Fbasic-tasks-using-a-screen-reader-
with-microsoft-teams-538a8741-f21b-4b04-b575-9df70ed4105d&amp;data=02%
7C01%7Cdanney.yates%40ablegeorgia.ga.gov%7C39079ae70a5f4e24083c08d7d75
dd0de%7Ce54ad2e331314ed797e3e6e95d089c4e%7C0%7C0%7C637214670266787778&
amp;sdata=z%2Biq%2BEF3kZCJRnwGn796rW55hFQ7s4Gw2F8l4zNA%2F64%3D&amp;res
erved=0>

Hope this helps

Pramit

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via Groups.Io <steven.hicks=nhs.net@groups.io> wrote:

Does anyone know if there is any traning material available please?





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