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moderated Re: Microsoft Teams

Milton Ota
 

Hello,
Part of your problem is that you have an old version of JAWS and you should be running JAWS 2020.2004.66, which was recently released.

You should check out the Freedom Scientific Youtube Channel for demonstrations of Team with JAWS and visit the archeive on the past webinar on using JAWS with Team.

Another source for keyboard commands with Team can be found on the Microsoft accessibility page.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Yates, Danney via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 3:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Microsoft Teams

Impressed that so many are successfully working with MS Teams. I'm having fits.
Using Win 10 JAWS 18. I've listened to the You tube videos and checked out the Microsoft link, provided on list. What should be happening, in order to join a meeting is not consistent. Supposed to be able to hit enter on the MS Team calendar entry and have it open, revealing the join link, but I get dead silence when I do this.
I've made sure that the virtual PC is enabled, but don't know what else I can try. In general, lots of the word "blank" when hitting tab and arrow keys.
Danney




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Assistant Director
Campus Life
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shankar C via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2020 7:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Microsoft Teams

Steven,, ctrl 2 is the keystroke for quickly get into the chat list.




On 4/2/20, Pramit <PRAMIT.VISION@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Steven,

You can find the complete training material on Microsoft Teams at
Microsoft Support Website.
Teams is completely accessible with JAWS and adding the link below
that has all the information including working, installation,
navigation and shortcuts etc.

Basic tasks using a screen reader with Microsoft Teams
<https://gcc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsup
port.office.com%2Fen-us%2Farticle%2Fbasic-tasks-using-a-screen-reader-
with-microsoft-teams-538a8741-f21b-4b04-b575-9df70ed4105d&amp;data=02%
7C01%7Cdanney.yates%40ablegeorgia.ga.gov%7C39079ae70a5f4e24083c08d7d75
dd0de%7Ce54ad2e331314ed797e3e6e95d089c4e%7C0%7C0%7C637214670266787778&
amp;sdata=z%2Biq%2BEF3kZCJRnwGn796rW55hFQ7s4Gw2F8l4zNA%2F64%3D&amp;res
erved=0>

Hope this helps

Pramit

On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 12:58 PM Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES)
via Groups.Io <steven.hicks=nhs.net@groups.io> wrote:

Does anyone know if there is any traning material available please?





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moderated Re: Microsoft Teams

Yates, Danney
 

Impressed that so many are successfully working with MS Teams. I'm having fits.
Using Win 10 JAWS 18. I've listened to the You tube videos and checked out the Microsoft link, provided on list. What should be happening, in order to join a meeting is not consistent. Supposed to be able to hit enter on the MS Team calendar entry and have it open, revealing the join link, but I get dead silence when I do this.
I've made sure that the virtual PC is enabled, but don't know what else I can try. In general, lots of the word "blank" when hitting tab and arrow keys.
Danney




Roosevelt Warm Springs
Danney Yates, M.Ed.
Assistant Director
Campus Life
Office: (706) 655-5129  Fax: (706) 655-5118  Georgia Relay: 711
6135 Roosevelt Highway│P.O. Box 1000 │Warm Springs, GA 31830
www.gvs.ga.gov                                       
 

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shankar C via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2020 7:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Microsoft Teams

Steven,, ctrl 2 is the keystroke for quickly get into the chat list.




On 4/2/20, Pramit <PRAMIT.VISION@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Steven,

You can find the complete training material on Microsoft Teams at
Microsoft Support Website.
Teams is completely accessible with JAWS and adding the link below
that has all the information including working, installation,
navigation and shortcuts etc.

Basic tasks using a screen reader with Microsoft Teams
<https://gcc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsup
port.office.com%2Fen-us%2Farticle%2Fbasic-tasks-using-a-screen-reader-
with-microsoft-teams-538a8741-f21b-4b04-b575-9df70ed4105d&amp;data=02%
7C01%7Cdanney.yates%40ablegeorgia.ga.gov%7C39079ae70a5f4e24083c08d7d75
dd0de%7Ce54ad2e331314ed797e3e6e95d089c4e%7C0%7C0%7C637214670266787778&
amp;sdata=z%2Biq%2BEF3kZCJRnwGn796rW55hFQ7s4Gw2F8l4zNA%2F64%3D&amp;res
erved=0>

Hope this helps

Pramit

On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 12:58 PM Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES)
via Groups.Io <steven.hicks=nhs.net@groups.io> wrote:

Does anyone know if there is any traning material available please?





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moderated Re: saving a message in a folder

 

Anna,

          If you have not turned on Gmail's own keyboard shortcuts, definitely do so.  That's discussed in, Use Gmail with a screen reader - Gmail Help.

          Gmail does not use the typical terminology of folder for their webmail interface, but instead calls them labels (and these are, behind the scenes, implemented as folders - don' task me why they ever chose to use the labels terminology).  The end of the above noted page discusses the creation of labels and applying a label to a message or group of messages.

           If you know that there are certain messages, based on something like who's sent them, something in the subject field, etc., that you want in a specific folder (label) it makes much more sense to create filters in Gmail to handle this for you as messages come in.  I created a tutorial dedicated to this, Creating IMAP Labels (Folders) and Filters for Gmail.

           Here are several more tutorials I've created that may prove useful to you at some point:

I am not certain what it is that you want to know about navigating conversation view (threaded messages) but it's touched on briefly in the Gmail help page I gave the link to earlier.

I have not watched it, but there is a YouTube item that may prove to be helpful to you:  

Using the Online Gmail Client with NVDA - YouTube

Even though it's with NVDA, the principles apply, and you would, of course, use the equivalent JAWS commands.

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moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

James Bentley
 

Since I do not have any experience with removing a drive from a laptop, I’m stuck with restoreing the corrupted drive from an external HD.  So far, Its always worked.  I do like having an image of all of my C drives in several different locations just in case of a major problem.

 

Cheers,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 4:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

All true.  Last time I needed to get out of a mess, though, I just used my other computer, attached my backup drive and pulled the drive from the dead machine and connected it using a usb drive dock.  Image for windows has saved my bacon enough that the price has long since been forgotten.

 

 

On 5/6/2020 15:14, James Bentley wrote:

I think it is what ever you get accustomed to using.  Image for Windows did cost me around $40, but it has always worked to restore my hard drives.

 

You can use IFW to create a recovery disk that includes Narrator so you have a screen reader to use to restore your PC.  That is an absolute necessity if Windows is so messed up that your PC won’t boot up in to Windows.

 

Since this recovery disk has to be bootable for disaster recovery, you would need to change your PC’s boot sequence in the BIOS.  That requires eye sight but it is a one time change.

 

In my case, instead of getting someone to change my boot sequence in the BIOS, I use F11 and some additional key strokes to force Windows to boot up from the boot media which can be either a DVD or a thumb drive again, created with the IFW software.

 

Its been so long since I created the boot media that I do not have clear recollection as to how it was accomplished.  The directions are in the IFW manual.  I suspect that there are several members on these list who can provide you with the directions to create the boot media and provide directions on how to get a crippled PC to boot from the media if you do not want to get someone to change your boot sequence in your PC’s BIOS.

 

The best of luck,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 2:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Is that image for Windows a good solution? I am also searching for a good backup software.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 8:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Greetings,

 

I’m guessing that there is a typo in your response.

 

What do I need to run to tell when check boxes are checked?

 

And, in my Version of Image for Windows, something like V3... there is a check box in settings that is called accessible check boxes.  You can check this to cause Jaws to see the state of the check boxes.

 

But, You will still have to use the Jaws/or equivalent cursor to tell that they are checked in some places in the menus.  Also, in some places in the menus, you will see a PLUS SIGN instead of a checkbox for example, to indicate that a drive has been selected to be added to the back up process.

 

In my particular case, on all 3 of my laptops, I just hit the space bar to put a PLUS SIGN in front of my primary drive/C drive to do a full back up.  IFW has never let me down with Windows 7 or Windows 10 and I have done recoveries on all 3.

 

Regards,

 

James B

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of george b
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Runjcortona Microsoft speech and they will read

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of René H. Nielsen
Sent: May 6, 2020 10:29
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hi!

I use Image for Windows, but do you know how to make the checkboxes accessible? It is something in an ini-file.

 

Best regards René H. Nielsen

 

 

Fra: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> På vegne af Steve Matzura
Sendt: 3. maj 2020 19:15
Til: main@jfw.groups.io
Emne: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Terabyte Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite is 100% accessible beginning to end, including the recovery disk. There's an option to set in an INI file when building the recovery disk that will automatically start Narrator when said disk is booted. Works a treat, as they say. Best fifty bucks you'll ever spend on your computer. http://www.terabyteunlimited.com

 

On 5/3/2020 12:57 PM, David Griffith wrote:

I use a solution which is I suppose is 3/4 accessible. Snapshot will allow a fully accessible disc image backup. Provided you can get into Windows at all the restore of the image is also a fully accessible. You simply select the image you want to restore to and Snapshot will simply restart your computer and about 20 minutes later you will hear your screen reader announce your Windows login for the restored image. I have done this several times with success without sighted help. Where it falls down is if your system is in such a state it cannot boot into Windows. The developers provide an ISO file to create a bootable CD drive but of course there is no speech here on that disc. They did tell me what I needed to type once the CD loaded to restore windows but in practice in these situations I have always resorted to sighted help and a fresh windows install.

David Griffith

 

 

On 3 May 2020, at 17:44, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:



Tom,

If you boot to Win PE, you can use 7Zip to zip up your HD and unzip it if you need to at a later time.

Also, when you do this, you can delete two system files that are temp files, and will save you the amount of twice your RAM.

So if you have 4GB of RAM, you can save 8GB by deleting pagefile.sys and hiberfil.sys before zipping up your HD, and windows will recreate those two files on boot-up.

They are just temp files Windows uses as virtual memory.

 

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 11:31 AM

Subject: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello.

 

I know this has been addressed before, but could someone suggest an accessible system backup image program that is easy to use independently, and that works well with Jaws?

 

I routinely back up all my files, but would like to be able to back up my complete hard drive if possible.

 

Until now, I’ve always understood that these backup image programs have accessibility issues at certain points, but perhaps I’m wrong.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 08:26 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Too obvious to be a mere coincidence...

If you have had this occur, twice, you should be looking at something being wrong with your hardware.

Application software has never, in my decades of experience, corrupted any OS (and I don't count viruses or malware as "application software.")

You are, however, giving people very good advice with regard to having a backup protocol and taking full system image backups on a routine cycle.  The number of things that have the potential to cause a system to crash are numerous, and generally related to people screwing around with the OS itself in ways they shouldn't or drive failure.  Having a backup saves you untold time and grief.
 
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The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Outlook: read recipient's name by character in the "to" field

Adrian Spratt
 

An alternative is to copy the address to Notepad, where right and left arrows will read by letter, and on confirming it’s correct, copy and paste back into the message’s “to” field. Of course, empty the “To” field before pasting.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 3:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook: read recipient's name by character in the "to" field

 

Hi, Arkadiusz. To do this, either use the NumPad, and Press JAWS Key plus eight on the NumPad twice quickly to get it to spell the link character by character, or, if you have your JAWS set to Laptop layout, use CAPS LOCK+I twice quickly to get it to spell character by character.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Outlook: read recipient's name by character in the "to" field

 

Hello,

How to achieve the thing I need? Sometimes I want to check whether the spelling of the e-mail address I entered is correct, but when I press left/right arrows in the “to” field, JAWS reads the whole name.


moderated Re: saving a message in a folder

Adrian Spratt
 

On your first question, let me tell you how I do it in Outlook 2016 and hope it works the same for you. Close the message and place focus next to it in the message list. Press control-shift-v. You will be asked for the name of the folder where you wish to save the message. Start typing until you hear the folder's name. then press enter.

I haven't experienced your second problem. As for threated messages, I won't assume I's the same as with Outlook 2016. However, if no one else responds soon, look into "conversations" in the ribbon.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Anna Givens
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 4:57 PM
To: Jaws List <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: saving a message in a folder

Hello,
How do I save a message in my inbox to a specific folder?

Actually I am also wondering why when I am in gmail in google chrome app (cause that's what I use) sometimes when I am typing an email in the message body text field, and I press enter to go to the next line, sometimes it works but sometimes it takes me out of the message area field. Or also when I am reading through the message I am typing, using up and down arrow, sometimes it will do as I want it to and go up/down a line, but sometimes pushing arrow key takes me out of the message field.

Lastly, I am wondering how to navigate threaded messages effectively.

Specific and basic help with these three questions would be much appreciated.


moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Chris Hill
 

All true.  Last time I needed to get out of a mess, though, I just used my other computer, attached my backup drive and pulled the drive from the dead machine and connected it using a usb drive dock.  Image for windows has saved my bacon enough that the price has long since been forgotten.



On 5/6/2020 15:14, James Bentley wrote:

I think it is what ever you get accustomed to using.  Image for Windows did cost me around $40, but it has always worked to restore my hard drives.

 

You can use IFW to create a recovery disk that includes Narrator so you have a screen reader to use to restore your PC.  That is an absolute necessity if Windows is so messed up that your PC won’t boot up in to Windows.

 

Since this recovery disk has to be bootable for disaster recovery, you would need to change your PC’s boot sequence in the BIOS.  That requires eye sight but it is a one time change.

 

In my case, instead of getting someone to change my boot sequence in the BIOS, I use F11 and some additional key strokes to force Windows to boot up from the boot media which can be either a DVD or a thumb drive again, created with the IFW software.

 

Its been so long since I created the boot media that I do not have clear recollection as to how it was accomplished.  The directions are in the IFW manual.  I suspect that there are several members on these list who can provide you with the directions to create the boot media and provide directions on how to get a crippled PC to boot from the media if you do not want to get someone to change your boot sequence in your PC’s BIOS.

 

The best of luck,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 2:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Is that image for Windows a good solution? I am also searching for a good backup software.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 8:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Greetings,

 

I’m guessing that there is a typo in your response.

 

What do I need to run to tell when check boxes are checked?

 

And, in my Version of Image for Windows, something like V3... there is a check box in settings that is called accessible check boxes.  You can check this to cause Jaws to see the state of the check boxes.

 

But, You will still have to use the Jaws/or equivalent cursor to tell that they are checked in some places in the menus.  Also, in some places in the menus, you will see a PLUS SIGN instead of a checkbox for example, to indicate that a drive has been selected to be added to the back up process.

 

In my particular case, on all 3 of my laptops, I just hit the space bar to put a PLUS SIGN in front of my primary drive/C drive to do a full back up.  IFW has never let me down with Windows 7 or Windows 10 and I have done recoveries on all 3.

 

Regards,

 

James B

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of george b
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Runjcortona Microsoft speech and they will read

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of René H. Nielsen
Sent: May 6, 2020 10:29
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hi!

I use Image for Windows, but do you know how to make the checkboxes accessible? It is something in an ini-file.

 

Best regards René H. Nielsen

 

 

Fra: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> På vegne af Steve Matzura
Sendt: 3. maj 2020 19:15
Til: main@jfw.groups.io
Emne: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Terabyte Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite is 100% accessible beginning to end, including the recovery disk. There's an option to set in an INI file when building the recovery disk that will automatically start Narrator when said disk is booted. Works a treat, as they say. Best fifty bucks you'll ever spend on your computer. http://www.terabyteunlimited.com

 

On 5/3/2020 12:57 PM, David Griffith wrote:

I use a solution which is I suppose is 3/4 accessible. Snapshot will allow a fully accessible disc image backup. Provided you can get into Windows at all the restore of the image is also a fully accessible. You simply select the image you want to restore to and Snapshot will simply restart your computer and about 20 minutes later you will hear your screen reader announce your Windows login for the restored image. I have done this several times with success without sighted help. Where it falls down is if your system is in such a state it cannot boot into Windows. The developers provide an ISO file to create a bootable CD drive but of course there is no speech here on that disc. They did tell me what I needed to type once the CD loaded to restore windows but in practice in these situations I have always resorted to sighted help and a fresh windows install.

David Griffith

 

 

On 3 May 2020, at 17:44, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:



Tom,

If you boot to Win PE, you can use 7Zip to zip up your HD and unzip it if you need to at a later time.

Also, when you do this, you can delete two system files that are temp files, and will save you the amount of twice your RAM.

So if you have 4GB of RAM, you can save 8GB by deleting pagefile.sys and hiberfil.sys before zipping up your HD, and windows will recreate those two files on boot-up.

They are just temp files Windows uses as virtual memory.

 

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 11:31 AM

Subject: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello.

 

I know this has been addressed before, but could someone suggest an accessible system backup image program that is easy to use independently, and that works well with Jaws?

 

I routinely back up all my files, but would like to be able to back up my complete hard drive if possible.

 

Until now, I’ve always understood that these backup image programs have accessibility issues at certain points, but perhaps I’m wrong.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 08:26 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Too obvious to be a mere coincidence...

If you have had this occur, twice, you should be looking at something being wrong with your hardware.

Application software has never, in my decades of experience, corrupted any OS (and I don't count viruses or malware as "application software.")

You are, however, giving people very good advice with regard to having a backup protocol and taking full system image backups on a routine cycle.  The number of things that have the potential to cause a system to crash are numerous, and generally related to people screwing around with the OS itself in ways they shouldn't or drive failure.  Having a backup saves you untold time and grief.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: saving a message in a folder

Vaughn Brown
 

Hi there,

If you hit enter again after being popped out of the field you will
keep your place. I rarely have this issue but it seems to happen in
web mail apps.

As for saving emails to a folder there is a save function under the
menu bar. After hitting enter on this you ought to save the email as
if saving a regular file such as a document.

And as for the arrowing popping you out of the subject it means that
the cursor has moved beyond the field's limits.

Hopes this helps.
Vaughn

On 5/6/20, Anna Givens <annajee82@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
How do I save a message in my inbox to a specific folder?

Actually I am also wondering why when I am in gmail in google chrome
app (cause that's what I use) sometimes when I am typing an email in
the message body text field, and I press enter to go to the next line,
sometimes it works but sometimes it takes me out of the message area
field. Or also when I am reading through the message I am typing,
using up and down arrow, sometimes it will do as I want it to and go
up/down a line, but sometimes pushing arrow key takes me out of the
message field.

Lastly, I am wondering how to navigate threaded messages effectively.

Specific and basic help with these three questions would be much
appreciated.



--
Kindly,
Vaughn Brown
Vaughn's Percussionship
Heal through Feel Equine Massage
360-904-8432
http://www.vaughnbrown.net
Serving Clark County


moderated saving a message in a folder

Anna Givens
 

Hello,
How do I save a message in my inbox to a specific folder?

Actually I am also wondering why when I am in gmail in google chrome
app (cause that's what I use) sometimes when I am typing an email in
the message body text field, and I press enter to go to the next line,
sometimes it works but sometimes it takes me out of the message area
field. Or also when I am reading through the message I am typing,
using up and down arrow, sometimes it will do as I want it to and go
up/down a line, but sometimes pushing arrow key takes me out of the
message field.

Lastly, I am wondering how to navigate threaded messages effectively.

Specific and basic help with these three questions would be much appreciated.


moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

James Bentley
 

Hello,

 

I agree that the ability to create a boot media has nothing to do with Jaws being able to read accessible check boxes.

 

If using a recent version of Jaws with Windows 10 and a version of Image for Windows that is a couple years old, the directions that I wrote in a prior post should assist you in seeing how the check boxes are checked.

 

Try looking in settings and hit the space bar on accessible check boxes.  This should allow Jaws to see what is checked in some of the menus if you use the Jaws cursor.

 

However, in some parts of the menus, instead of a check box, you will only get a “plus sign” to let you know that something is checked.

 

Cheers,

 

James B 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of René H. Nielsen
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 3:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hi!

Its not the problem to boot from the media.

The problem is that the checkboxes in the interface not is accessible unless you change something in an ini-file, but I can not figure out what to change.

Narrator is working fine else.

 

René

 

 

Fra: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> På vegne af James Bentley
Sendt: 6. maj 2020 22:14
Til: main@jfw.groups.io
Emne: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I think it is what ever you get accustomed to using.  Image for Windows did cost me around $40, but it has always worked to restore my hard drives.

 

You can use IFW to create a recovery disk that includes Narrator so you have a screen reader to use to restore your PC.  That is an absolute necessity if Windows is so messed up that your PC won’t boot up in to Windows.

 

Since this recovery disk has to be bootable for disaster recovery, you would need to change your PC’s boot sequence in the BIOS.  That requires eye sight but it is a one time change.

 

In my case, instead of getting someone to change my boot sequence in the BIOS, I use F11 and some additional key strokes to force Windows to boot up from the boot media which can be either a DVD or a thumb drive again, created with the IFW software.

 

Its been so long since I created the boot media that I do not have clear recollection as to how it was accomplished.  The directions are in the IFW manual.  I suspect that there are several members on these list who can provide you with the directions to create the boot media and provide directions on how to get a crippled PC to boot from the media if you do not want to get someone to change your boot sequence in your PC’s BIOS.

 

The best of luck,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 2:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Is that image for Windows a good solution? I am also searching for a good backup software.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 8:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Greetings,

 

I’m guessing that there is a typo in your response.

 

What do I need to run to tell when check boxes are checked?

 

And, in my Version of Image for Windows, something like V3... there is a check box in settings that is called accessible check boxes.  You can check this to cause Jaws to see the state of the check boxes.

 

But, You will still have to use the Jaws/or equivalent cursor to tell that they are checked in some places in the menus.  Also, in some places in the menus, you will see a PLUS SIGN instead of a checkbox for example, to indicate that a drive has been selected to be added to the back up process.

 

In my particular case, on all 3 of my laptops, I just hit the space bar to put a PLUS SIGN in front of my primary drive/C drive to do a full back up.  IFW has never let me down with Windows 7 or Windows 10 and I have done recoveries on all 3.

 

Regards,

 

James B

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of george b
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Runjcortona Microsoft speech and they will read

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of René H. Nielsen
Sent: May 6, 2020 10:29
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hi!

I use Image for Windows, but do you know how to make the checkboxes accessible? It is something in an ini-file.

 

Best regards René H. Nielsen

 

 

Fra: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> På vegne af Steve Matzura
Sendt: 3. maj 2020 19:15
Til: main@jfw.groups.io
Emne: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Terabyte Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite is 100% accessible beginning to end, including the recovery disk. There's an option to set in an INI file when building the recovery disk that will automatically start Narrator when said disk is booted. Works a treat, as they say. Best fifty bucks you'll ever spend on your computer. http://www.terabyteunlimited.com

 

On 5/3/2020 12:57 PM, David Griffith wrote:

I use a solution which is I suppose is 3/4 accessible. Snapshot will allow a fully accessible disc image backup. Provided you can get into Windows at all the restore of the image is also a fully accessible. You simply select the image you want to restore to and Snapshot will simply restart your computer and about 20 minutes later you will hear your screen reader announce your Windows login for the restored image. I have done this several times with success without sighted help. Where it falls down is if your system is in such a state it cannot boot into Windows. The developers provide an ISO file to create a bootable CD drive but of course there is no speech here on that disc. They did tell me what I needed to type once the CD loaded to restore windows but in practice in these situations I have always resorted to sighted help and a fresh windows install.

David Griffith

 

 

On 3 May 2020, at 17:44, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:



Tom,

If you boot to Win PE, you can use 7Zip to zip up your HD and unzip it if you need to at a later time.

Also, when you do this, you can delete two system files that are temp files, and will save you the amount of twice your RAM.

So if you have 4GB of RAM, you can save 8GB by deleting pagefile.sys and hiberfil.sys before zipping up your HD, and windows will recreate those two files on boot-up.

They are just temp files Windows uses as virtual memory.

 

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 11:31 AM

Subject: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello.

 

I know this has been addressed before, but could someone suggest an accessible system backup image program that is easy to use independently, and that works well with Jaws?

 

I routinely back up all my files, but would like to be able to back up my complete hard drive if possible.

 

Until now, I’ve always understood that these backup image programs have accessibility issues at certain points, but perhaps I’m wrong.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 08:26 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Too obvious to be a mere coincidence...

If you have had this occur, twice, you should be looking at something being wrong with your hardware.

Application software has never, in my decades of experience, corrupted any OS (and I don't count viruses or malware as "application software.")

You are, however, giving people very good advice with regard to having a backup protocol and taking full system image backups on a routine cycle.  The number of things that have the potential to cause a system to crash are numerous, and generally related to people screwing around with the OS itself in ways they shouldn't or drive failure.  Having a backup saves you untold time and grief.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

René H. Nielsen
 

Hi!

Its not the problem to boot from the media.

The problem is that the checkboxes in the interface not is accessible unless you change something in an ini-file, but I can not figure out what to change.

Narrator is working fine else.

 

René

 

 

Fra: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> På vegne af James Bentley
Sendt: 6. maj 2020 22:14
Til: main@jfw.groups.io
Emne: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I think it is what ever you get accustomed to using.  Image for Windows did cost me around $40, but it has always worked to restore my hard drives.

 

You can use IFW to create a recovery disk that includes Narrator so you have a screen reader to use to restore your PC.  That is an absolute necessity if Windows is so messed up that your PC won’t boot up in to Windows.

 

Since this recovery disk has to be bootable for disaster recovery, you would need to change your PC’s boot sequence in the BIOS.  That requires eye sight but it is a one time change.

 

In my case, instead of getting someone to change my boot sequence in the BIOS, I use F11 and some additional key strokes to force Windows to boot up from the boot media which can be either a DVD or a thumb drive again, created with the IFW software.

 

Its been so long since I created the boot media that I do not have clear recollection as to how it was accomplished.  The directions are in the IFW manual.  I suspect that there are several members on these list who can provide you with the directions to create the boot media and provide directions on how to get a crippled PC to boot from the media if you do not want to get someone to change your boot sequence in your PC’s BIOS.

 

The best of luck,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 2:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Is that image for Windows a good solution? I am also searching for a good backup software.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 8:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Greetings,

 

I’m guessing that there is a typo in your response.

 

What do I need to run to tell when check boxes are checked?

 

And, in my Version of Image for Windows, something like V3... there is a check box in settings that is called accessible check boxes.  You can check this to cause Jaws to see the state of the check boxes.

 

But, You will still have to use the Jaws/or equivalent cursor to tell that they are checked in some places in the menus.  Also, in some places in the menus, you will see a PLUS SIGN instead of a checkbox for example, to indicate that a drive has been selected to be added to the back up process.

 

In my particular case, on all 3 of my laptops, I just hit the space bar to put a PLUS SIGN in front of my primary drive/C drive to do a full back up.  IFW has never let me down with Windows 7 or Windows 10 and I have done recoveries on all 3.

 

Regards,

 

James B

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of george b
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Runjcortona Microsoft speech and they will read

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of René H. Nielsen
Sent: May 6, 2020 10:29
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hi!

I use Image for Windows, but do you know how to make the checkboxes accessible? It is something in an ini-file.

 

Best regards René H. Nielsen

 

 

Fra: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> På vegne af Steve Matzura
Sendt: 3. maj 2020 19:15
Til: main@jfw.groups.io
Emne: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Terabyte Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite is 100% accessible beginning to end, including the recovery disk. There's an option to set in an INI file when building the recovery disk that will automatically start Narrator when said disk is booted. Works a treat, as they say. Best fifty bucks you'll ever spend on your computer. http://www.terabyteunlimited.com

 

On 5/3/2020 12:57 PM, David Griffith wrote:

I use a solution which is I suppose is 3/4 accessible. Snapshot will allow a fully accessible disc image backup. Provided you can get into Windows at all the restore of the image is also a fully accessible. You simply select the image you want to restore to and Snapshot will simply restart your computer and about 20 minutes later you will hear your screen reader announce your Windows login for the restored image. I have done this several times with success without sighted help. Where it falls down is if your system is in such a state it cannot boot into Windows. The developers provide an ISO file to create a bootable CD drive but of course there is no speech here on that disc. They did tell me what I needed to type once the CD loaded to restore windows but in practice in these situations I have always resorted to sighted help and a fresh windows install.

David Griffith

 

 

On 3 May 2020, at 17:44, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:



Tom,

If you boot to Win PE, you can use 7Zip to zip up your HD and unzip it if you need to at a later time.

Also, when you do this, you can delete two system files that are temp files, and will save you the amount of twice your RAM.

So if you have 4GB of RAM, you can save 8GB by deleting pagefile.sys and hiberfil.sys before zipping up your HD, and windows will recreate those two files on boot-up.

They are just temp files Windows uses as virtual memory.

 

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 11:31 AM

Subject: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello.

 

I know this has been addressed before, but could someone suggest an accessible system backup image program that is easy to use independently, and that works well with Jaws?

 

I routinely back up all my files, but would like to be able to back up my complete hard drive if possible.

 

Until now, I’ve always understood that these backup image programs have accessibility issues at certain points, but perhaps I’m wrong.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 08:26 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Too obvious to be a mere coincidence...

If you have had this occur, twice, you should be looking at something being wrong with your hardware.

Application software has never, in my decades of experience, corrupted any OS (and I don't count viruses or malware as "application software.")

You are, however, giving people very good advice with regard to having a backup protocol and taking full system image backups on a routine cycle.  The number of things that have the potential to cause a system to crash are numerous, and generally related to people screwing around with the OS itself in ways they shouldn't or drive failure.  Having a backup saves you untold time and grief.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: mute in zoom

Stan Holdeman
 

Thanks, guys. A big help.

 

Stan

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 3:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: mute in zoom

 

It's a Zoom Application keystroke, and will work, even if JAWS is not running. You might want to try it with Narrator.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Stan Holdeman
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 11:32 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: mute in zoom

 

Listers: Please remind me of the mute keystroke in Zoom. Is this a jaws keystroke or does it work even if jaws is not running?

 

Stan

 


moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

James Bentley
 

I think it is what ever you get accustomed to using.  Image for Windows did cost me around $40, but it has always worked to restore my hard drives.

 

You can use IFW to create a recovery disk that includes Narrator so you have a screen reader to use to restore your PC.  That is an absolute necessity if Windows is so messed up that your PC won’t boot up in to Windows.

 

Since this recovery disk has to be bootable for disaster recovery, you would need to change your PC’s boot sequence in the BIOS.  That requires eye sight but it is a one time change.

 

In my case, instead of getting someone to change my boot sequence in the BIOS, I use F11 and some additional key strokes to force Windows to boot up from the boot media which can be either a DVD or a thumb drive again, created with the IFW software.

 

Its been so long since I created the boot media that I do not have clear recollection as to how it was accomplished.  The directions are in the IFW manual.  I suspect that there are several members on these list who can provide you with the directions to create the boot media and provide directions on how to get a crippled PC to boot from the media if you do not want to get someone to change your boot sequence in your PC’s BIOS.

 

The best of luck,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 2:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Is that image for Windows a good solution? I am also searching for a good backup software.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 8:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Greetings,

 

I’m guessing that there is a typo in your response.

 

What do I need to run to tell when check boxes are checked?

 

And, in my Version of Image for Windows, something like V3... there is a check box in settings that is called accessible check boxes.  You can check this to cause Jaws to see the state of the check boxes.

 

But, You will still have to use the Jaws/or equivalent cursor to tell that they are checked in some places in the menus.  Also, in some places in the menus, you will see a PLUS SIGN instead of a checkbox for example, to indicate that a drive has been selected to be added to the back up process.

 

In my particular case, on all 3 of my laptops, I just hit the space bar to put a PLUS SIGN in front of my primary drive/C drive to do a full back up.  IFW has never let me down with Windows 7 or Windows 10 and I have done recoveries on all 3.

 

Regards,

 

James B

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of george b
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Runjcortona Microsoft speech and they will read

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of René H. Nielsen
Sent: May 6, 2020 10:29
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hi!

I use Image for Windows, but do you know how to make the checkboxes accessible? It is something in an ini-file.

 

Best regards René H. Nielsen

 

 

Fra: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> På vegne af Steve Matzura
Sendt: 3. maj 2020 19:15
Til: main@jfw.groups.io
Emne: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Terabyte Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite is 100% accessible beginning to end, including the recovery disk. There's an option to set in an INI file when building the recovery disk that will automatically start Narrator when said disk is booted. Works a treat, as they say. Best fifty bucks you'll ever spend on your computer. http://www.terabyteunlimited.com

 

On 5/3/2020 12:57 PM, David Griffith wrote:

I use a solution which is I suppose is 3/4 accessible. Snapshot will allow a fully accessible disc image backup. Provided you can get into Windows at all the restore of the image is also a fully accessible. You simply select the image you want to restore to and Snapshot will simply restart your computer and about 20 minutes later you will hear your screen reader announce your Windows login for the restored image. I have done this several times with success without sighted help. Where it falls down is if your system is in such a state it cannot boot into Windows. The developers provide an ISO file to create a bootable CD drive but of course there is no speech here on that disc. They did tell me what I needed to type once the CD loaded to restore windows but in practice in these situations I have always resorted to sighted help and a fresh windows install.

David Griffith

 

 

On 3 May 2020, at 17:44, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:



Tom,

If you boot to Win PE, you can use 7Zip to zip up your HD and unzip it if you need to at a later time.

Also, when you do this, you can delete two system files that are temp files, and will save you the amount of twice your RAM.

So if you have 4GB of RAM, you can save 8GB by deleting pagefile.sys and hiberfil.sys before zipping up your HD, and windows will recreate those two files on boot-up.

They are just temp files Windows uses as virtual memory.

 

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 11:31 AM

Subject: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello.

 

I know this has been addressed before, but could someone suggest an accessible system backup image program that is easy to use independently, and that works well with Jaws?

 

I routinely back up all my files, but would like to be able to back up my complete hard drive if possible.

 

Until now, I’ve always understood that these backup image programs have accessibility issues at certain points, but perhaps I’m wrong.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 08:26 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Too obvious to be a mere coincidence...

If you have had this occur, twice, you should be looking at something being wrong with your hardware.

Application software has never, in my decades of experience, corrupted any OS (and I don't count viruses or malware as "application software.")

You are, however, giving people very good advice with regard to having a backup protocol and taking full system image backups on a routine cycle.  The number of things that have the potential to cause a system to crash are numerous, and generally related to people screwing around with the OS itself in ways they shouldn't or drive failure.  Having a backup saves you untold time and grief.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Outlook: read recipient's name by character in the "to" field

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Arkadiusz. To do this, either use the NumPad, and Press JAWS Key plus eight on the NumPad twice quickly to get it to spell the link character by character, or, if you have your JAWS set to Laptop layout, use CAPS LOCK+I twice quickly to get it to spell character by character.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Outlook: read recipient's name by character in the "to" field

 

Hello,

How to achieve the thing I need? Sometimes I want to check whether the spelling of the e-mail address I entered is correct, but when I press left/right arrows in the “to” field, JAWS reads the whole name.


moderated Re: Emojis

Jenni Kent
 

Windows period. That's how you get to them then you find the tab for the
panels you want like people symbols things like then tab over and find the one
you want it can be confusing at first trust me I know.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mich Verrier
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 6:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io; jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Emojis

Windows colin or something I think. From Mich.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: May 3, 2020 7:20 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Emojis

What is the key combo to bring up the list of emojis? Thanks.


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moderated Outlook: read recipient's name by character in the "to" field

Arkadiusz Świętnicki <nuno69a@...>
 

Hello,

How to achieve the thing I need? Sometimes I want to check whether the spelling of the e-mail address I entered is correct, but when I press left/right arrows in the “to” field, JAWS reads the whole name.


moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Arkadiusz Świętnicki <nuno69a@...>
 

Is that image for Windows a good solution? I am also searching for a good backup software.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 8:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Greetings,

 

I’m guessing that there is a typo in your response.

 

What do I need to run to tell when check boxes are checked?

 

And, in my Version of Image for Windows, something like V3... there is a check box in settings that is called accessible check boxes.  You can check this to cause Jaws to see the state of the check boxes.

 

But, You will still have to use the Jaws/or equivalent cursor to tell that they are checked in some places in the menus.  Also, in some places in the menus, you will see a PLUS SIGN instead of a checkbox for example, to indicate that a drive has been selected to be added to the back up process.

 

In my particular case, on all 3 of my laptops, I just hit the space bar to put a PLUS SIGN in front of my primary drive/C drive to do a full back up.  IFW has never let me down with Windows 7 or Windows 10 and I have done recoveries on all 3.

 

Regards,

 

James B

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of george b
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Runjcortona Microsoft speech and they will read

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of René H. Nielsen
Sent: May 6, 2020 10:29
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hi!

I use Image for Windows, but do you know how to make the checkboxes accessible? It is something in an ini-file.

 

Best regards René H. Nielsen

 

 

Fra: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> På vegne af Steve Matzura
Sendt: 3. maj 2020 19:15
Til: main@jfw.groups.io
Emne: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Terabyte Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite is 100% accessible beginning to end, including the recovery disk. There's an option to set in an INI file when building the recovery disk that will automatically start Narrator when said disk is booted. Works a treat, as they say. Best fifty bucks you'll ever spend on your computer. http://www.terabyteunlimited.com

 

On 5/3/2020 12:57 PM, David Griffith wrote:

I use a solution which is I suppose is 3/4 accessible. Snapshot will allow a fully accessible disc image backup. Provided you can get into Windows at all the restore of the image is also a fully accessible. You simply select the image you want to restore to and Snapshot will simply restart your computer and about 20 minutes later you will hear your screen reader announce your Windows login for the restored image. I have done this several times with success without sighted help. Where it falls down is if your system is in such a state it cannot boot into Windows. The developers provide an ISO file to create a bootable CD drive but of course there is no speech here on that disc. They did tell me what I needed to type once the CD loaded to restore windows but in practice in these situations I have always resorted to sighted help and a fresh windows install.

David Griffith

 

 

On 3 May 2020, at 17:44, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:



Tom,

If you boot to Win PE, you can use 7Zip to zip up your HD and unzip it if you need to at a later time.

Also, when you do this, you can delete two system files that are temp files, and will save you the amount of twice your RAM.

So if you have 4GB of RAM, you can save 8GB by deleting pagefile.sys and hiberfil.sys before zipping up your HD, and windows will recreate those two files on boot-up.

They are just temp files Windows uses as virtual memory.

 

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 11:31 AM

Subject: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello.

 

I know this has been addressed before, but could someone suggest an accessible system backup image program that is easy to use independently, and that works well with Jaws?

 

I routinely back up all my files, but would like to be able to back up my complete hard drive if possible.

 

Until now, I’ve always understood that these backup image programs have accessibility issues at certain points, but perhaps I’m wrong.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 08:26 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Too obvious to be a mere coincidence...

If you have had this occur, twice, you should be looking at something being wrong with your hardware.

Application software has never, in my decades of experience, corrupted any OS (and I don't count viruses or malware as "application software.")

You are, however, giving people very good advice with regard to having a backup protocol and taking full system image backups on a routine cycle.  The number of things that have the potential to cause a system to crash are numerous, and generally related to people screwing around with the OS itself in ways they shouldn't or drive failure.  Having a backup saves you untold time and grief.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: mute in zoom

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

It's a Zoom Application keystroke, and will work, even if JAWS is not running. You might want to try it with Narrator.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Stan Holdeman
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 11:32 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: mute in zoom

 

Listers: Please remind me of the mute keystroke in Zoom. Is this a jaws keystroke or does it work even if jaws is not running?

 

Stan

 


moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

James Bentley
 

Greetings,

 

I’m guessing that there is a typo in your response.

 

What do I need to run to tell when check boxes are checked?

 

And, in my Version of Image for Windows, something like V3... there is a check box in settings that is called accessible check boxes.  You can check this to cause Jaws to see the state of the check boxes.

 

But, You will still have to use the Jaws/or equivalent cursor to tell that they are checked in some places in the menus.  Also, in some places in the menus, you will see a PLUS SIGN instead of a checkbox for example, to indicate that a drive has been selected to be added to the back up process.

 

In my particular case, on all 3 of my laptops, I just hit the space bar to put a PLUS SIGN in front of my primary drive/C drive to do a full back up.  IFW has never let me down with Windows 7 or Windows 10 and I have done recoveries on all 3.

 

Regards,

 

James B

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of george b
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Runjcortona Microsoft speech and they will read

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of René H. Nielsen
Sent: May 6, 2020 10:29
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hi!

I use Image for Windows, but do you know how to make the checkboxes accessible? It is something in an ini-file.

 

Best regards René H. Nielsen

 

 

Fra: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> På vegne af Steve Matzura
Sendt: 3. maj 2020 19:15
Til: main@jfw.groups.io
Emne: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Terabyte Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite is 100% accessible beginning to end, including the recovery disk. There's an option to set in an INI file when building the recovery disk that will automatically start Narrator when said disk is booted. Works a treat, as they say. Best fifty bucks you'll ever spend on your computer. http://www.terabyteunlimited.com

 

On 5/3/2020 12:57 PM, David Griffith wrote:

I use a solution which is I suppose is 3/4 accessible. Snapshot will allow a fully accessible disc image backup. Provided you can get into Windows at all the restore of the image is also a fully accessible. You simply select the image you want to restore to and Snapshot will simply restart your computer and about 20 minutes later you will hear your screen reader announce your Windows login for the restored image. I have done this several times with success without sighted help. Where it falls down is if your system is in such a state it cannot boot into Windows. The developers provide an ISO file to create a bootable CD drive but of course there is no speech here on that disc. They did tell me what I needed to type once the CD loaded to restore windows but in practice in these situations I have always resorted to sighted help and a fresh windows install.

David Griffith

 

 

On 3 May 2020, at 17:44, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:



Tom,

If you boot to Win PE, you can use 7Zip to zip up your HD and unzip it if you need to at a later time.

Also, when you do this, you can delete two system files that are temp files, and will save you the amount of twice your RAM.

So if you have 4GB of RAM, you can save 8GB by deleting pagefile.sys and hiberfil.sys before zipping up your HD, and windows will recreate those two files on boot-up.

They are just temp files Windows uses as virtual memory.

 

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 11:31 AM

Subject: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello.

 

I know this has been addressed before, but could someone suggest an accessible system backup image program that is easy to use independently, and that works well with Jaws?

 

I routinely back up all my files, but would like to be able to back up my complete hard drive if possible.

 

Until now, I’ve always understood that these backup image programs have accessibility issues at certain points, but perhaps I’m wrong.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 08:26 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Too obvious to be a mere coincidence...

If you have had this occur, twice, you should be looking at something being wrong with your hardware.

Application software has never, in my decades of experience, corrupted any OS (and I don't count viruses or malware as "application software.")

You are, however, giving people very good advice with regard to having a backup protocol and taking full system image backups on a routine cycle.  The number of things that have the potential to cause a system to crash are numerous, and generally related to people screwing around with the OS itself in ways they shouldn't or drive failure.  Having a backup saves you untold time and grief.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: mute in zoom

Tom Behler
 

Alt A is the audio mute and unmute command.

 

It is a toggle.

 

I think it is a Zoom command, not a Jaws command.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Stan Holdeman
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 2:32 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: mute in zoom

 

Listers: Please remind me of the mute keystroke in Zoom. Is this a jaws keystroke or does it work even if jaws is not running?

 

Stan

 

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