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Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
I have never heard or in my entire history with Jaws which goes back 30 years to the Jaws for DOS days, experienced how two separate versions of Jaws can load at the same time and, as was pointed out, "fight".
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I use Jaws 2020 and while I don't use a subscription, the "grace period" is not something which seems to have any affect for me in terms of accessing the Jaws menu. The hard fact is that if you are on Jaws 2018 you will most likely sooner rather than later have to upgrade to Jaws 2020 anyways because with every new version of Windows which is released it is more likely that Jaws 2018 may not offer full support for all features. The same applies to Office 365 if you use it. Why don't you completely uninstall Jaws 2020 as well as Jaws 2018, even uninstall shared components and only leave user settings, then reinstall Jaws 2020 and see if that fixes the issue.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 8:13 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly. I did this, but no results. I disabled both start at logon screen and start for this user always in jaws 2018. I then set them for jaws 2020. Only one should load. However, i did notice one peculiar thing. When i set either of them to "always start for this user", the option changes for both versions. I cannot set 2018 to "never" and 2020 to "always". No matter where i change it (20158 or 2020), it defaults to the same thing in both versions. The only independant thing is "start at the logon screen". This is different when set in both versions. Sent from my gmail account. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick Mladek Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 16:07 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly. The problem may be as I had. Both versions, 18 and 20 are fighting to load at same time. Go into whatever version you do not want to load and correct this and be sure the version you want to load is properly set. Then I do believe this will be better... -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 10:12 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly. Hi, I wasn't aware of this feature, but you could be right. Now that i think of it, it started right after i installed the temporary authorization (90 days) that i was given to try it out. That could explain why 2018 works and 2020 doesn't. If it checks while windows is loading, it could be a problem. When i stop and restart it, it is fine, but then windows is fully up at that time. Any way to disable/check/change this or something? Pat Sent from my gmail account. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 14:34 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly. might that be the JAWS feature touted as new in either 2019 or 2020, saying that JAWS will speak before checking your authorization, so you don't have to wait so long to hear that it is running. However, it doesn't do anything till it makes internal checks and decides what context you are running in. So in my opinion it is a totally useless change which FS calls an improvement. At 07:59 AM 4/24/2020, you wrote: Hi Mike,
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Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Patrick Murphy
I did this, but no results.
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I disabled both start at logon screen and start for this user always in jaws 2018. I then set them for jaws 2020. Only one should load. However, i did notice one peculiar thing. When i set either of them to "always start for this user", the option changes for both versions. I cannot set 2018 to "never" and 2020 to "always". No matter where i change it (20158 or 2020), it defaults to the same thing in both versions. The only independant thing is "start at the logon screen". This is different when set in both versions. Sent from my gmail account.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick Mladek Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 16:07 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly. The problem may be as I had. Both versions, 18 and 20 are fighting to load at same time. Go into whatever version you do not want to load and correct this and be sure the version you want to load is properly set. Then I do believe this will be better... -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 10:12 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly. Hi, I wasn't aware of this feature, but you could be right. Now that i think of it, it started right after i installed the temporary authorization (90 days) that i was given to try it out. That could explain why 2018 works and 2020 doesn't. If it checks while windows is loading, it could be a problem. When i stop and restart it, it is fine, but then windows is fully up at that time. Any way to disable/check/change this or something? Pat Sent from my gmail account. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 14:34 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly. might that be the JAWS feature touted as new in either 2019 or 2020, saying that JAWS will speak before checking your authorization, so you don't have to wait so long to hear that it is running. However, it doesn't do anything till it makes internal checks and decides what context you are running in. So in my opinion it is a totally useless change which FS calls an improvement. At 07:59 AM 4/24/2020, you wrote: Hi Mike,
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Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Patrick Murphy
Unfortunately, I was only given a 90 day key, as I have a full licence for jaws 2018. I wanted to try out 2020 before upgrading. Now that it is authorized, the problems began. The reason I think it is the new “grace period” authorization, is that if I set it to start at the logon screen, and don’t start it for the user, it works. Windows comes up and I can click on the shortcut with someone’s help, as I cannot see it. If I set it to start always for my user, the problem occurs. Because I installed a 90 day trial licence, now I am stuck with jaws2018 and 2020 using the same key. I was told by sight and sound, that I would have to wait the 90 days, before I could use my real authorization number. In fact, I cannot remove the ilm authorization, or at least, they said that there was no option for this.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 16:05 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Have you attempted a reauthorization of this version causing the problems?
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Hi,
As I said, once it loads up there is no window of any kind. No system tray, taskbar etc. insert+j brings you nowhere. Insert+f11 shows the taskbar but no jaws2020. The only way to get it to load correctly is to set it to start at the logon screen, set it to start up always for my user, exit it and then restart it. I think as mentioned above, it is the new “grace period authorization”. Any way to disable this? Pat
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Hi,
Where is this running, on your system tray or maybe your task bar? If you do the alt +shift keys, do you find jaws running? If not, try insert +F11 to see if on your system tray. Then if you find, you can change settings as all mentioning...
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Abraham Sweiss
I would check jaws 2018 Settings and confirm it is not configured to start up automatically or a login. Thanks,abraham
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Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Rick Mladek
The problem may be as I had. Both versions, 18 and 20 are fighting to load
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at same time. Go into whatever version you do not want to load and correct this and be sure the version you want to load is properly set. Then I do believe this will be better...
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 10:12 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly. Hi, I wasn't aware of this feature, but you could be right. Now that i think of it, it started right after i installed the temporary authorization (90 days) that i was given to try it out. That could explain why 2018 works and 2020 doesn't. If it checks while windows is loading, it could be a problem. When i stop and restart it, it is fine, but then windows is fully up at that time. Any way to disable/check/change this or something? Pat Sent from my gmail account. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 14:34 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly. might that be the JAWS feature touted as new in either 2019 or 2020, saying that JAWS will speak before checking your authorization, so you don't have to wait so long to hear that it is running. However, it doesn't do anything till it makes internal checks and decides what context you are running in. So in my opinion it is a totally useless change which FS calls an improvement. At 07:59 AM 4/24/2020, you wrote: Hi Mike,
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Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Rick Mladek
Have you attempted a reauthorization of this version causing the problems?
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 10:53 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Hi,
As I said, once it loads up there is no window of any kind. No system tray, taskbar etc. insert+j brings you nowhere. Insert+f11 shows the taskbar but no jaws2020. The only way to get it to load correctly is to set it to start at the logon screen, set it to start up always for my user, exit it and then restart it. I think as mentioned above, it is the new “grace period authorization”. Any way to disable this? Pat
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Hi,
Where is this running, on your system tray or maybe your task bar? If you do the alt +shift keys, do you find jaws running? If not, try insert +F11 to see if on your system tray. Then if you find, you can change settings as all mentioning...
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Abraham Sweiss
I would check jaws 2018 Settings and confirm it is not configured to start up automatically or a login. Thanks,abraham
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Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Patrick Murphy
Tried that no one will ring back or even email me about this.
Pat
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 15:57 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Why don’t you give Vispero tech support a call and ask them to take a look.
Regards,
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Hi,
As I said, once it loads up there is no window of any kind. No system tray, taskbar etc. insert+j brings you nowhere. Insert+f11 shows the taskbar but no jaws2020. The only way to get it to load correctly is to set it to start at the logon screen, set it to start up always for my user, exit it and then restart it. I think as mentioned above, it is the new “grace period authorization”. Any way to disable this? Pat
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Hi,
Where is this running, on your system tray or maybe your task bar? If you do the alt +shift keys, do you find jaws running? If not, try insert +F11 to see if on your system tray. Then if you find, you can change settings as all mentioning...
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Abraham Sweiss
I would check jaws 2018 Settings and confirm it is not configured to start up automatically or a login. Thanks,abraham
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Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Why don’t you give Vispero tech support a call and ask them to take a look.
Regards,
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Patrick Murphy
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 7:53 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Hi,
As I said, once it loads up there is no window of any kind. No system tray, taskbar etc. insert+j brings you nowhere. Insert+f11 shows the taskbar but no jaws2020. The only way to get it to load correctly is to set it to start at the logon screen, set it to start up always for my user, exit it and then restart it. I think as mentioned above, it is the new “grace period authorization”. Any way to disable this? Pat
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Hi,
Where is this running, on your system tray or maybe your task bar? If you do the alt +shift keys, do you find jaws running? If not, try insert +F11 to see if on your system tray. Then if you find, you can change settings as all mentioning...
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Abraham Sweiss
I would check jaws 2018 Settings and confirm it is not configured to start up automatically or a login. Thanks,abraham
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Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Patrick Murphy
Hi,
As I said, once it loads up there is no window of any kind. No system tray, taskbar etc. insert+j brings you nowhere. Insert+f11 shows the taskbar but no jaws2020. The only way to get it to load correctly is to set it to start at the logon screen, set it to start up always for my user, exit it and then restart it. I think as mentioned above, it is the new “grace period authorization”. Any way to disable this? Pat
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 15:43 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Hi,
Where is this running, on your system tray or maybe your task bar? If you do the alt +shift keys, do you find jaws running? If not, try insert +F11 to see if on your system tray. Then if you find, you can change settings as all mentioning...
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Abraham Sweiss
I would check jaws 2018 Settings and confirm it is not configured to start up automatically or a login. Thanks,abraham
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Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Rick Mladek
Hi,
Where is this running, on your system tray or maybe your task bar? If you do the alt +shift keys, do you find jaws running? If not, try insert +F11 to see if on your system tray. Then if you find, you can change settings as all mentioning...
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Abraham Sweiss
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 10:33 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
I would check jaws 2018 Settings and confirm it is not configured to start up automatically or a login. Thanks,abraham
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Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Patrick Murphy
I think it might be the new “grace period authorization” thing in jaws2020. I think it is starting up too quickly for windows 10. At the moment, it is authorized for 90 days using ilm. Would it make any difference if it was authorized using the internet? Would this slow down the startup enough? Is there any way to disable this new feature? Pat
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Abraham Sweiss
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 15:33 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
I would check jaws 2018 Settings and confirm it is not configured to start up automatically or a login. Thanks,abraham
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Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Abraham Sweiss
I would check jaws 2018 Settings and confirm it is not configured to start up automatically or a login.
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Thanks,abraham
On Apr 24, 2020, at 5:37 AM, Patrick Murphy <murphy.patrick42@...> wrote:
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Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Patrick Murphy
Hi,
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I wasn't aware of this feature, but you could be right. Now that i think of it, it started right after i installed the temporary authorization (90 days) that i was given to try it out. That could explain why 2018 works and 2020 doesn't. If it checks while windows is loading, it could be a problem. When i stop and restart it, it is fine, but then windows is fully up at that time. Any way to disable/check/change this or something? Pat Sent from my gmail account.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 14:34 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly. might that be the JAWS feature touted as new in either 2019 or 2020, saying that JAWS will speak before checking your authorization, so you don't have to wait so long to hear that it is running. However, it doesn't do anything till it makes internal checks and decides what context you are running in. So in my opinion it is a totally useless change which FS calls an improvement. At 07:59 AM 4/24/2020, you wrote: Hi Mike,
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Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Ann Byrne
might that be the JAWS feature touted as new in either 2019 or 2020, saying that JAWS will speak before checking your authorization, so you don't have to wait so long to hear that it is running. However, it doesn't do anything till it makes internal checks and decides what context you are running in. So in my opinion it is a totally useless change which FS calls an improvement.
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At 07:59 AM 4/24/2020, you wrote:
Hi Mike,
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Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Patrick Murphy
Hi Mike,
I have tried all this, I tried to post a full message about everything last night, but it was not approved. I think it was too big. Regardless of what I do with jaws2020 (login screen etc), the first time it starts up, there is no window to go to. Insert+j brings you nowhere whether it is running from system tray or not. If you shut it down (insert+f4) and then restart it, everything is ok. If you don’t start it at the login screen, it still produces no window. Pat
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 13:37 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
It sounds like J2020 is set to start on the log-in screen. If you're saying that there's no Jaws window when you, Alt + tab, you probably have J2020 running from the system tray. To find the settings for both these items press, Insert + J, to open the Jaws context menu, press the letter, O, to open, Options, and press the letter, B, to open, Basic. Now tab to Automatically start Jaws... button and press the spacebar to find your Jaws start settings and tab to Okay and press the spacebar when you're through in here. Now tab 3 times or so to, Run Jaws from system tray, and uncheck this if you want the Jaws window to be in the, Alt + Tab, order, then tab to Okay and press enter to save / close.
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Hi,
I am new to this group, so i hope i am doing this right. I have jaws2018 and 2020. 2018 works fine, but when 2020 starts, there is no jaws window. It seems to be starting before windows 10 has loaded. I uninstalled and reinstalled it, but there was no change.
Any ideas?
Regards,
Pat
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Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Patrick Murphy
Hi Michelle,
Its just a standard windows 10 home edition laptop. Windows boots up, and then at the sign-screen, jaws starts. I have it set to always start for this user and to start at the log on screen. Works for 2018, but 2020 starts very quickly after sign-in screen so no jaws window can be seen with insert+j or any other way.
Pat
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michelle's Home Emails
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 11:20 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
hi Pat
Michelle Here,
Not knowing your system are you logging on to profiles on the computer? or can you log on to desktop direct?
I had to get Jaws 2020 to make sure it booted up at startup. Sometimes you may need to do this through your settings in windows. Force jaws to start up on login.
Good luck Michelle
On 24 Apr 2020, at 7:38 pm, Patrick Murphy <murphy.patrick42@...> wrote:
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JAWS with TeraTerm into a Linux/Unix System
Steve Matzura
While that works well mostly, there's a big annoyance that crops up (for me) every other once-in-a-while that has to do with shell scripts for configuring packages and programs that display their menus within pretty graphic borders. JAWS says line after line of things like "marlet {some number}, hollow-square this, filled square that," etc. These are all either high-value ASCII or Unicode charaqcters, qand they make reading these menus tedious. Is there any way to stop JAWS from reading these things without having to enter each and every character, of which there are many, into an exception dictionary?
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Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Mike B
It sounds like J2020 is set to start on the log-in
screen. If you're saying that there's no Jaws window when you, Alt + tab,
you probably have J2020 running from the system tray. To find the settings
for both these items press, Insert + J, to open the Jaws context menu, press the
letter, O, to open, Options, and press the letter, B, to open, Basic. Now
tab to Automatically start Jaws... button and press the spacebar to find your
Jaws start settings and tab to Okay and press the spacebar when you're through
in here. Now tab 3 times or so to, Run Jaws from system tray, and uncheck
this if you want the Jaws window to be in the, Alt + Tab, order, then tab to
Okay and press enter to save / close.
Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.
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From: Patrick Murphy
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 2:37 AM
Subject: jaws 2020 not starting correctly. Hi,
I am new to this group, so i hope i am doing this right. I have jaws2018 and 2020. 2018 works fine, but when 2020 starts, there is no jaws window. It seems to be starting before windows 10 has loaded. I uninstalled and reinstalled it, but there was no change.
Any ideas?
Regards,
Pat
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Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Michelle's Home Emails
hi Pat
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Michelle Here, Not knowing your system are you logging on to profiles on the computer? or can you log on to desktop direct? I had to get Jaws 2020 to make sure it booted up at startup. Sometimes you may need to do this through your settings in windows. Force jaws to start up on login. Good luck Michelle
On 24 Apr 2020, at 7:38 pm, Patrick Murphy <murphy.patrick42@...> wrote:
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jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Patrick Murphy
Hi,
I am new to this group, so i hope i am doing this right. I have jaws2018 and 2020. 2018 works fine, but when 2020 starts, there is no jaws window. It seems to be starting before windows 10 has loaded. I uninstalled and reinstalled it, but there was no change.
Any ideas?
Regards,
Pat
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Re: Name of JAWS feature that lets web browsers to read across a line of links instead of up or down?
Frank Ventura
Ah, that is it thanks. Frank
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Norma A. Boge via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 10:59 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Name of JAWS feature that lets web browsers to read across a line of links instead of up or down?
Hi Frank,
I’m pretty sure it’s Document Presentation Mode. Apologies in advance if I send you down the wrong path.
HTH Norma
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Frank Ventura
Hi all, there is a setting in JAWS that allows a person to read links on a web page left to right as they are viewed by a sighted person, instead of the normal up and down. It has been in for a few versions of JAWS. Can anyone think of the name of that feature? Thanks Frank Ventura
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