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Re: An accessible router
Gmail Jonas
The NETGEAR, Nighthawk R6400 is a nice one I use it and it’s good with 2.4 and 5 GHZ! And it’s about $ 100, with support for USB!
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 6:03 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: An accessible router
Hi. Routers are accessible through their web interface. Ask the technician who will help you set up your router to give you your router's web address. The address might, for example, be 192.168.2.154, something like that. Then you can access it as you would any web site and set up the router on your own if you need to. Cheers!
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Re: An accessible router
Jaffar Sidek
Hi. Routers are accessible through their web interface. Ask the
technician who will help you set up your router to give you your
router's web address. The address might, for example, be
192.168.2.154, something like that. Then you can access it as you
would any web site and set up the router on your own if you need
to. Cheers!
On 4/15/2020 5:15 AM, Marty Hutchings wrote:
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Re: An accessible router
David Csercsics
If you get any recommendations, ping me as well. Mine hasn't bit the dust just yet, but I don't think it's receiving firmware updates, and for some reason, my wifi has gotten silly. I have an iPhone 8 that drops connections very frequently, and I have to reboot the router daily or it bogs down pretty quick. I'm not sure if the iphone is the problem or the router, because other devices work fine on the thing, but it's puzzling.
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An accessible router
Marty Hutchings
My WIFI router has bit the dust. Does anyone have any recommendations for a router with an accessible interface with JAWS?
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Re: Keyboard Shortcut for Navigating Word Templates
Robbie,
You're quite welcome. And I don't know exactly what you tweaked on your end but that last reply was top-posted, as is the typical convention. Thanks. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Tolerance is the positive and cordial effort to understand another's beliefs, practices, and habits without necessarily sharing or accepting them. ~ Joshua Liebman
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Re: Keyboard Shortcut for Navigating Word Templates
Robbie Curtis
Hi Brian,
My apologies as I have just now seen the documents you provided.
Thanks for your help in this matter.
Have a great day! On 4/13/2020 9:50 PM, Brian Vogel
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Robbie, -- Robbie J. Curtis essence64@... "Stay in peace, not pieces!"
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Re: Walmart.com and Jaws
Marie <magpie.mn@...>
Truer words were never spoken. The Find command in Jaws has been my go-to
option so many, many times.
Marie
From: Brian
Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 9:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Walmart.com and Jaws On
Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:36 AM, Glenn / Lenny wrote: Back in the early days, JFW did not have anything other than the find command and tabbing.I came on the scene with either JAWS 9 or 10, so I'm not going back to the very earliest days in my comments. I'm pretty much within the last decade, give or take a year or two. But the find command is the screen reader users best friend! -- Brian
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Re: Walmart.com and Jaws
Pat Byrne
Brian,
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Well stated. Thanks. Pat ByrneAt 11:30 PM 4/13/2020, you wrote:
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:04 AM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
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Re: Using Microsoft Teams with JAWS + additional questions
Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
From what I understand, Teams is Microsoft's replacement for Skype for Business.
My company also uses Slack heavily. I am managing with it, but am still not very proficient with certain aspects of it. Pam ________________________________________ From: main@jfw.groups.io [main@jfw.groups.io] on behalf of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io [Robin_Van_Lant=Key.com@groups.io] Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 6:52 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Using Microsoft Teams with JAWS + additional questions 1. Zoom is a web conference application for meetings. The company is Zoom. 2. Teams is a Microsoft application for collaboration. I know it’s used within organizations for meetings and also general collaboration for ongoing projects. I suspect it’s Microsoft’s version of Zoom, with additional features, but I’m not fully sure. 3. Google offers Hangouts, which allows for video meetings. I just started using this and it seems more like a way to have a conversation with multiple people. I don’t think of it as a tool businesses would use to present a slideshow, but I’m still new. Maybe the Meet.Google.com thing you are talking about is more for that. Hangouts and the link you shared are both associated with Google, not Microsoft or Zoom. When I go to the link you sent, it appears that Google Meet is Google’s version of Zoom. I haven’t seen any talk on this list about this particular Google product, but others definitely talk about Google docs, Chrome, Hangouts and such, so I’m optimistic that Google Meet would be accessible. If you run into trouble with it and if you have a smart phone, get the Be My Eyes app and, from within that app, you can get a direct link to someone in Google Accessibility for help getting oriented to the new tool. We all empathize. This is a crazy learning curve we are all on to adjust to working remotely. Robin Teams is Microsoft’s collaboration program. From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marilyn Bland Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 9:36 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Using Microsoft Teams with JAWS + additional questions Good morning all, I’m feeling overwhelmed by all the on-line things that are now being used. My employer is using Meet.google.com for meetings and collaboration. I know this is different from Zoom, but is it also different fromTeams? Are there others on the list using Google Meets? Is Hangouts the same as any of these? Please clarify and give me some good places to learn how to use Google Meets. Many thanks. Marilyn From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Delaunay Christophe Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 9:50 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> Subject: Re: Using Microsoft Teams with JAWS Hi Sameer, I’m hardly using Teams for three weeks now on a laptop running Windows 10 with jaws 2020 latest update because this is my employer’s recommended tool for remote working. This app is globally accessible except for defining a “contact group” in the “Chat” tab, “Contacts” subtab. In order to learn how to use it, I started from this web page: https://support.office.com/en-us/article/basic-tasks-using-a-screen-reader-with-microsoft-teams-538a8741-f21b-4b04-b575-9df70ed4105d#picktab=windows<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttps-3A__support.office.com_en-2Dus_article_basic-2Dtasks-2Dusing-2Da-2Dscreen-2Dreader-2Dwith-2Dmicrosoft-2Dteams-2D538a8741-2Df21b-2D4b04-2Db575-2D9df70ed4105d-23picktab-3Dwindows%26d%3DDwMFAg%26c%3DY1KkN7JyAPjrAJTUCirS0fy9vQY8xn4_Oh4EEEpbXx4%26r%3D-1nxI1tr9hKnIWNyLOCPlqI9Rh0Aj118fOCkSudZWTI%26m%3Dg2qs2t4I90ztiVuGTfRIcQsY0EMrH2VW2m-XR-Vx-CE%26s%3DV7WFbsHNZddVW3IZYBx75FcWXvXxEPxRimvJnOFZeHg%26e%3D&data=02%7C01%7Cpamela.a.ekstrand.-nd%40disney.com%7Ca60bf2f99f0f4fef89a308d7dffd5f7f%7C56b731a8a2ac4c32bf6b616810e913c6%7C1%7C0%7C637224151640734768&sdata=VRbVGPWwOyQZxlA8php6TNsv1cJrB7d1hs9lvg8p0ME%3D&reserved=0> I did not install any Jaws script yet but if there are some, I’d also like to know. Hope this helps. Have a nice day. Chris D From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Sameer via groups.io Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 4:36 PM To: JFW Group <main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> Subject: Using Microsoft Teams with JAWS Dear List Friends, Is Microsoft Teams accessible with JAWS or do we need to install additional JAWS scrips to make it accessible? If we need to install additional JAWS scrips, kindly inform me where I can get these scrips. Also, request you to kindly point me to a source for keystrokes to be used with Microsoft Teams. I am using the latest version of JAWS 2020 on a Windows 10 machine. Thanking all in advance for any & all assistance. Regards Mr. Sameer Latey Mumbai, India This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. 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Re: I have a question about a combination headset/microphone adaptor to use with JAWS
Gmail Jonas
Two good ones! I like the Logitech ones this one is bluetooth. https://amzn.to/2xuQKyz USB, I like the mute button!
If not you can try a cell phone headset!
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin Minor
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 5:58 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: I have a question about a combination headset/microphone adaptor to use with JAWS
Hi.
A month ago I got an Asus laptop. I put JAWS on it, and it works excellently. However, I have a question about it.
First, I’m not sure where to put this note, which group should have it, but I figure there would be those who know. This computer doesn’t have a dedicated mic jack. Here’s question 1. Is there a way to learn if this PC has a combination headphone/microphone connector, and if it does, is there a splitter I can get where I could plug in headphones in one plug and a mic in the other?
Those are my questions. I’d appreciate any help, or steer me to a good list to ask my question.
Thanks.
Kevin, Jilly and Valerie
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Re: Using iTunes with JAWS
Ashleigh Piccinino
If you press CTRL and 5 on the number row—right above your main keyboard, you’ll be on your books part of iTunes. Think of these areas as tabs, but you should already be in the area where you can select the book of your choice. If you’re not, you get there
by tabbing/I think it’s in a table or something. I also think you can press the applications key—shift F10 if not available with the apps key. Then, just arrow up/down to get to play. You can also do this with tab too, I believe/worked when I used that iTunes
area. Remember that your “text-based” books don’t appear in books/have to download those from the iTunes Store itself, I thibnk.
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On Apr 13, 2020, at 12:24 PM, Gezim Rexha <gezim_rexha@...> wrote:
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Re: Walmart.com and Jaws
Richard
I was using Internet Explorer, and either use the letter H to move through
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the headings, or use the Jaws find to search for specific words. I also used the search field on the site to look for specific items. I'll have to go back and see exactly how I did certain things since I forgot after I left the site. lol Rick
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From: "NCBootman" <ncbootman@gmail.com> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 12:07 PM Subject: Re: Walmart.com and Jaws Rick, What browser did you use? How did you get to a list of categories of food instead of those apparently random slides? -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 6:29 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Walmart.com and Jaws I didn't have much trouble with the site, in fact, I did place an order. You just have to spend some time getting familiar with the site like any other. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "NCBootman" <ncbootman@gmail.com> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 12:13 AM Subject: Walmart.com and Jaws I want to explore the possibility of ordering groceries from Walmart.com. I have the latest version of Jaws and a sighted friend says it doesn't look doable with a screen reader to them. Is anyone using the regular part of Walmart.com or the grocery.walmart.com section with positive results? When I tried to navigate the sight, there did not seem to be any rhyme or reason to things but I'm told visually it is laid out very clearly. Also, when I tried to search Google for any tips, I got nowhere. NCBootMan
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Re: Accessible bathroom scale
mcLeod stinnett
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from, mack Marilyn, my apologies. can't seem to get that link to copy rite. just go to amazon and search for, taylor talking scale. you may have to arrow down a bit to find the one for $29.96
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Re: Accessible bathroom scale
mcLeod stinnett
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from, mack Marilyn, try this scale from amazon for $30. I have it and like it very much. you don't have to activate it and wait for a ready prompt, just step on it. https://www.amazon.com/Taylor-Precision-Products-Glass- Digital/dp/B01FNXLA4I/ref=mp_s_a_1_7?dchild=1&keywords=taylor+talking+scale&qid=1586849862&sr=8-7
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Re: Walmart.com and Jaws
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:36 AM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Back in the early days, JFW did not have anything other than the find command and tabbing.I came on the scene with either JAWS 9 or 10, so I'm not going back to the very earliest days in my comments. I'm pretty much within the last decade, give or take a year or two. But the find command is the screen reader users best friend! -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Tolerance is the positive and cordial effort to understand another's beliefs, practices, and habits without necessarily sharing or accepting them. ~ Joshua Liebman
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On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:33 AM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Yeah, I have had sighted people watching the screen while I am going down the page, and they have told me that the highlighted items are jumping all over the screen, yet to me, I am just going down the page.Trust me, that's one of the most frustrating experiences those of us who can see have when trying to work with individuals using screen readers. And it's not the fault of those individuals. I have never yet figured out any rhyme or reason to traversal order on most webpages via screen reader. Focus flows nothing like it "should" to those of us who see. And, believe me, very often what you think of as "just going down the page" is, in actuality, anything but, which is making your life that much harder whether you know it or not, and through no fault of your own. I cannot tell you how thankful I was when I discovered the NVDA add-on Focus Highlight, which shows not only where the screen reader is but what state it's in for the object on which it has focus. I can't remember what JAWS calls it at the moment, as I haven't tutored JAWS for the last year, but I know that the same thing has been added to JAWS. And I'd tell any screen reader user who's engaging sighted help to please, please turn that feature on when you're working with a sighted helper. Otherwise we have no freakin' idea where a screen reader has jumped to in many instances, particularly since when it's off there's no effort to keep scrolling on the visible webpage in sync with where the screen reader has landed. When that's somewhere that's literally off-screen unless those add-ons/features are enabled, it's a nightmare for your assistant. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Tolerance is the positive and cordial effort to understand another's beliefs, practices, and habits without necessarily sharing or accepting them. ~ Joshua Liebman
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Re: Keyboard Shortcut for Navigating Word Templates
Zel Iscel
Thanks Brian, that’s good to know.
Just FYI: I’ve just played with some forms I created and found that while using F11 and shift F11 navigates from one form field to another and allows you to write in edit boxes in an unprotected form, it doesn’t allow you to tick checkboxes.
Cheers Zel image001.jpg
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On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, 14 April 2020 7:51 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Keyboard Shortcut for Navigating Word Templates
Robbie, Unprotecting All Word Form Fields and Converting Them to Regular Text 1. You must first remove the restricted editing settings that allow you only to fill out the form a. Activate the Developer Tab, Restrict Editing. ALT+L,PE b. Activate the Stop Protection button, which is the only button. Just Hit Enter c. Close the Restrict Editing pane. CTRL+Spacebar,C 2. Select all content in the document. CTRL+A 3. Issue the command to convert all form fields to regular Word text. CTRL+SHIFT+F9 At this point all form fields will be straight text like the rest of the document, and can be edited just as you usually would. You cannot reverse this action, so be certain you have filled out anything that needs to have been filled out before going through the above steps. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Tolerance is the positive and cordial effort to understand another's beliefs, practices, and habits without necessarily sharing or accepting them. ~ Joshua Liebman
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Re: Walmart.com and Jaws
Glenn / Lenny
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Back in the early days, JFW did not have anything
other than the find command and tabbing.
There was no quick keys at that time.
Then came the links list, that helped a
lot.
Glenn
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From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 11:34 PM
Subject: Re: Walmart.com and Jaws I know some folks still want to use pages like we did when we first started getting on-line, by tabbing to things.Which has never been the most effective way, even way back when. If you suspect you know something about the content on a page using the screen reader search function is one of the most efficient ways to confirm it exists or doesn't. Also using things like headings lists, links lists, etc., as a "first cruise through" on an unfamiliar page will cut out tons of frustration that comes from brute force tabbing. -- Brian - Windows
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On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:15 AM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
I know some folks still want to use pages like we did when we first started getting on-line, by tabbing to things.Which has never been the most effective way, even way back when. If you suspect you know something about the content on a page using the screen reader search function is one of the most efficient ways to confirm it exists or doesn't. Also using things like headings lists, links lists, etc., as a "first cruise through" on an unfamiliar page will cut out tons of frustration that comes from brute force tabbing. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Tolerance is the positive and cordial effort to understand another's beliefs, practices, and habits without necessarily sharing or accepting them. ~ Joshua Liebman
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Re: Walmart.com and Jaws
Glenn / Lenny
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Yeah, I have had sighted people watching the screen
while I am going down the page, and they have told me that the highlighted items
are jumping all over the screen, yet to me, I am just going down the
page.
Glenn
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From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: Walmart.com and Jaws What a sighted person sees has little to do with what we access.That is a very, very ill-informed statement. And this is coming from a fully sighted person who has very often found that "the answer" relies on what I see rather than trying to struggle with a screen reader for hours. Any screen reader user, by definition, suffers from a degree of "information blackout." You cannot see the screen itself, and as you pointed out, how the screen reader traverses a screen has to do with how it is designed in HTML, which is often hugely convoluted compared to what someone who can see sees can take in within a second of the screen coming up. For some particularly badly coded pages, what is front and center visually (which, after all, is what the main media of a webpage is) is buried in some convoluted HTML, coupled with less than stellar labeling at times, making it a chore to find with a screen reader if you don't already know it's there. Sighted people are seeing everything you can likely ever want to access. What they don't know is exactly how you go about that (with some rare exceptions, and I count myself among those). That's up to you, but if someone who sees tells you that such and such a thing is visible on the screen, you can likely find it much more quickly simply because you've had confirmation it's there and you should know how to seek it out with a screen reader. And the fact that someone sighted tells you how the page is laid out visually really doesn't matter, as you know that how it's laid out visually can be at huge variance with how the elements are arranged for traversal via screen reader. But you know they're there without having to plow through who knows how much detritus to find them, if you ever do. And that's not an insult to screen reader users, it's just a fact that some web page designs that are great for their primary demographic, the sighted, are very, very crappy for screen reader users even if every blessed thing on the page is accessible. I often am shocked at how a screen reader traverses elements in a page, and that's not the fault of the screen reader, but of the page designer. -- Brian - Windows
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