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Re: I have a question about a combination headset/microphone adaptor to use with JAWS
Gmail Jonas
Two good ones! I like the Logitech ones this one is bluetooth. https://amzn.to/2xuQKyz USB, I like the mute button!
If not you can try a cell phone headset!
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin Minor
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 5:58 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: I have a question about a combination headset/microphone adaptor to use with JAWS
Hi.
A month ago I got an Asus laptop. I put JAWS on it, and it works excellently. However, I have a question about it.
First, I’m not sure where to put this note, which group should have it, but I figure there would be those who know. This computer doesn’t have a dedicated mic jack. Here’s question 1. Is there a way to learn if this PC has a combination headphone/microphone connector, and if it does, is there a splitter I can get where I could plug in headphones in one plug and a mic in the other?
Those are my questions. I’d appreciate any help, or steer me to a good list to ask my question.
Thanks.
Kevin, Jilly and Valerie
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Re: Using iTunes with JAWS
Ashleigh Piccinino
If you press CTRL and 5 on the number row—right above your main keyboard, you’ll be on your books part of iTunes. Think of these areas as tabs, but you should already be in the area where you can select the book of your choice. If you’re not, you get there
by tabbing/I think it’s in a table or something. I also think you can press the applications key—shift F10 if not available with the apps key. Then, just arrow up/down to get to play. You can also do this with tab too, I believe/worked when I used that iTunes
area. Remember that your “text-based” books don’t appear in books/have to download those from the iTunes Store itself, I thibnk.
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On Apr 13, 2020, at 12:24 PM, Gezim Rexha <gezim_rexha@...> wrote:
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Re: Walmart.com and Jaws
Richard
I was using Internet Explorer, and either use the letter H to move through
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the headings, or use the Jaws find to search for specific words. I also used the search field on the site to look for specific items. I'll have to go back and see exactly how I did certain things since I forgot after I left the site. lol Rick
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From: "NCBootman" <ncbootman@gmail.com> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 12:07 PM Subject: Re: Walmart.com and Jaws Rick, What browser did you use? How did you get to a list of categories of food instead of those apparently random slides? -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 6:29 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Walmart.com and Jaws I didn't have much trouble with the site, in fact, I did place an order. You just have to spend some time getting familiar with the site like any other. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "NCBootman" <ncbootman@gmail.com> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 12:13 AM Subject: Walmart.com and Jaws I want to explore the possibility of ordering groceries from Walmart.com. I have the latest version of Jaws and a sighted friend says it doesn't look doable with a screen reader to them. Is anyone using the regular part of Walmart.com or the grocery.walmart.com section with positive results? When I tried to navigate the sight, there did not seem to be any rhyme or reason to things but I'm told visually it is laid out very clearly. Also, when I tried to search Google for any tips, I got nowhere. NCBootMan
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Re: Accessible bathroom scale
mcLeod stinnett
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from, mack Marilyn, my apologies. can't seem to get that link to copy rite. just go to amazon and search for, taylor talking scale. you may have to arrow down a bit to find the one for $29.96
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mcLeod stinnett
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from, mack Marilyn, try this scale from amazon for $30. I have it and like it very much. you don't have to activate it and wait for a ready prompt, just step on it. https://www.amazon.com/Taylor-Precision-Products-Glass- Digital/dp/B01FNXLA4I/ref=mp_s_a_1_7?dchild=1&keywords=taylor+talking+scale&qid=1586849862&sr=8-7
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On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:36 AM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Back in the early days, JFW did not have anything other than the find command and tabbing.I came on the scene with either JAWS 9 or 10, so I'm not going back to the very earliest days in my comments. I'm pretty much within the last decade, give or take a year or two. But the find command is the screen reader users best friend! -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Tolerance is the positive and cordial effort to understand another's beliefs, practices, and habits without necessarily sharing or accepting them. ~ Joshua Liebman
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On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:33 AM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Yeah, I have had sighted people watching the screen while I am going down the page, and they have told me that the highlighted items are jumping all over the screen, yet to me, I am just going down the page.Trust me, that's one of the most frustrating experiences those of us who can see have when trying to work with individuals using screen readers. And it's not the fault of those individuals. I have never yet figured out any rhyme or reason to traversal order on most webpages via screen reader. Focus flows nothing like it "should" to those of us who see. And, believe me, very often what you think of as "just going down the page" is, in actuality, anything but, which is making your life that much harder whether you know it or not, and through no fault of your own. I cannot tell you how thankful I was when I discovered the NVDA add-on Focus Highlight, which shows not only where the screen reader is but what state it's in for the object on which it has focus. I can't remember what JAWS calls it at the moment, as I haven't tutored JAWS for the last year, but I know that the same thing has been added to JAWS. And I'd tell any screen reader user who's engaging sighted help to please, please turn that feature on when you're working with a sighted helper. Otherwise we have no freakin' idea where a screen reader has jumped to in many instances, particularly since when it's off there's no effort to keep scrolling on the visible webpage in sync with where the screen reader has landed. When that's somewhere that's literally off-screen unless those add-ons/features are enabled, it's a nightmare for your assistant. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Tolerance is the positive and cordial effort to understand another's beliefs, practices, and habits without necessarily sharing or accepting them. ~ Joshua Liebman
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Re: Keyboard Shortcut for Navigating Word Templates
Zel Iscel
Thanks Brian, that’s good to know.
Just FYI: I’ve just played with some forms I created and found that while using F11 and shift F11 navigates from one form field to another and allows you to write in edit boxes in an unprotected form, it doesn’t allow you to tick checkboxes.
Cheers Zel image001.jpg
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, 14 April 2020 7:51 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Keyboard Shortcut for Navigating Word Templates
Robbie, Unprotecting All Word Form Fields and Converting Them to Regular Text 1. You must first remove the restricted editing settings that allow you only to fill out the form a. Activate the Developer Tab, Restrict Editing. ALT+L,PE b. Activate the Stop Protection button, which is the only button. Just Hit Enter c. Close the Restrict Editing pane. CTRL+Spacebar,C 2. Select all content in the document. CTRL+A 3. Issue the command to convert all form fields to regular Word text. CTRL+SHIFT+F9 At this point all form fields will be straight text like the rest of the document, and can be edited just as you usually would. You cannot reverse this action, so be certain you have filled out anything that needs to have been filled out before going through the above steps. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Tolerance is the positive and cordial effort to understand another's beliefs, practices, and habits without necessarily sharing or accepting them. ~ Joshua Liebman
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Glenn / Lenny
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Back in the early days, JFW did not have anything
other than the find command and tabbing.
There was no quick keys at that time.
Then came the links list, that helped a
lot.
Glenn
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From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 11:34 PM
Subject: Re: Walmart.com and Jaws I know some folks still want to use pages like we did when we first started getting on-line, by tabbing to things.Which has never been the most effective way, even way back when. If you suspect you know something about the content on a page using the screen reader search function is one of the most efficient ways to confirm it exists or doesn't. Also using things like headings lists, links lists, etc., as a "first cruise through" on an unfamiliar page will cut out tons of frustration that comes from brute force tabbing. -- Brian - Windows
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On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:15 AM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
I know some folks still want to use pages like we did when we first started getting on-line, by tabbing to things.Which has never been the most effective way, even way back when. If you suspect you know something about the content on a page using the screen reader search function is one of the most efficient ways to confirm it exists or doesn't. Also using things like headings lists, links lists, etc., as a "first cruise through" on an unfamiliar page will cut out tons of frustration that comes from brute force tabbing. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Tolerance is the positive and cordial effort to understand another's beliefs, practices, and habits without necessarily sharing or accepting them. ~ Joshua Liebman
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Glenn / Lenny
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Yeah, I have had sighted people watching the screen
while I am going down the page, and they have told me that the highlighted items
are jumping all over the screen, yet to me, I am just going down the
page.
Glenn
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From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: Walmart.com and Jaws What a sighted person sees has little to do with what we access.That is a very, very ill-informed statement. And this is coming from a fully sighted person who has very often found that "the answer" relies on what I see rather than trying to struggle with a screen reader for hours. Any screen reader user, by definition, suffers from a degree of "information blackout." You cannot see the screen itself, and as you pointed out, how the screen reader traverses a screen has to do with how it is designed in HTML, which is often hugely convoluted compared to what someone who can see sees can take in within a second of the screen coming up. For some particularly badly coded pages, what is front and center visually (which, after all, is what the main media of a webpage is) is buried in some convoluted HTML, coupled with less than stellar labeling at times, making it a chore to find with a screen reader if you don't already know it's there. Sighted people are seeing everything you can likely ever want to access. What they don't know is exactly how you go about that (with some rare exceptions, and I count myself among those). That's up to you, but if someone who sees tells you that such and such a thing is visible on the screen, you can likely find it much more quickly simply because you've had confirmation it's there and you should know how to seek it out with a screen reader. And the fact that someone sighted tells you how the page is laid out visually really doesn't matter, as you know that how it's laid out visually can be at huge variance with how the elements are arranged for traversal via screen reader. But you know they're there without having to plow through who knows how much detritus to find them, if you ever do. And that's not an insult to screen reader users, it's just a fact that some web page designs that are great for their primary demographic, the sighted, are very, very crappy for screen reader users even if every blessed thing on the page is accessible. I often am shocked at how a screen reader traverses elements in a page, and that's not the fault of the screen reader, but of the page designer. -- Brian - Windows
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On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:04 AM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
What a sighted person sees has little to do with what we access.That is a very, very ill-informed statement. And this is coming from a fully sighted person who has very often found that "the answer" relies on what I see rather than trying to struggle with a screen reader for hours. Any screen reader user, by definition, suffers from a degree of "information blackout." You cannot see the screen itself, and as you pointed out, how the screen reader traverses a screen has to do with how it is designed in HTML, which is often hugely convoluted compared to what someone who can see sees can take in within a second of the screen coming up. For some particularly badly coded pages, what is front and center visually (which, after all, is what the main media of a webpage is) is buried in some convoluted HTML, coupled with less than stellar labeling at times, making it a chore to find with a screen reader if you don't already know it's there. Sighted people are seeing everything you can likely ever want to access. What they don't know is exactly how you go about that (with some rare exceptions, and I count myself among those). That's up to you, but if someone who sees tells you that such and such a thing is visible on the screen, you can likely find it much more quickly simply because you've had confirmation it's there and you should know how to seek it out with a screen reader. And the fact that someone sighted tells you how the page is laid out visually really doesn't matter, as you know that how it's laid out visually can be at huge variance with how the elements are arranged for traversal via screen reader. But you know they're there without having to plow through who knows how much detritus to find them, if you ever do. And that's not an insult to screen reader users, it's just a fact that some web page designs that are great for their primary demographic, the sighted, are very, very crappy for screen reader users even if every blessed thing on the page is accessible. I often am shocked at how a screen reader traverses elements in a page, and that's not the fault of the screen reader, but of the page designer. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Tolerance is the positive and cordial effort to understand another's beliefs, practices, and habits without necessarily sharing or accepting them. ~ Joshua Liebman
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Glenn / Lenny
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Well, I would not have placed any value in how
accessible a page looks to a sighted person, who probably does not know how to
use a screenreader.
The only suggestion I would give is to learn web
navigation.
Freedom Scientific has a training session called
"surf's up" which has you go through a fake purchase from a fake web site, but
it teaches you much about getting through web pages.
I don't know if they have kept it up to date as far
as recent web page elements, such as opening a closed menu, but never the less,
it will help folks get used to using the complex pages.
I know some folks still want to use pages like we
did when we first started getting on-line, by tabbing to things.
Now adays, there usually hundreds of tabs on a
page, so that technique is not feasible.
Insert + H on a web page will serve as a reminder
of some things to try when one is having problems with a page.
Glenn
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From: NCBootman
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: Walmart.com and Jaws Glen,
I respect your opinion. So, how would you have tackled this problem differently? Teach me something instead of criticizing me.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Glenn / Lenny
I don't think so.
----- Original Message ----- From: Angel Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 1:46 PM Subject: Re: Walmart.com and Jaws
If he is familiar with the screen reader used by the blind individual: As is Eric Damery: He could well know whether a site accommodates screen readers. Or at least the one with which he is familiar.
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From: Glenn /
Lenny
How would a sighted person know if something is doable with a screenreader? Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: NCBootman Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 11:13 PM Subject: Walmart.com and Jaws
I want to explore the possibility of ordering groceries from Walmart.com. I have the latest version of Jaws and a sighted friend says it doesnt look doable with a screen reader to them. Is anyone using the regular part of Walmart.com or the grocery.walmart.com section with positive results? When I tried to navigate the sight, there did not seem to be any rhyme or reason to things but Im told visually it is laid out very clearly. Also, when I tried to search Google for any tips, I got nowhere.
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NCBootman <ncbootman@...>
Glen,
I respect your opinion. So, how would you have tackled this problem differently? Teach me something instead of criticizing me.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 3:52 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Walmart.com and Jaws
I don't think so.
----- Original Message ----- From: Angel Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 1:46 PM Subject: Re: Walmart.com and Jaws
If he is familiar with the screen reader used by the blind individual: As is Eric Damery: He could well know whether a site accommodates screen readers. Or at least the one with which he is familiar.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Glenn / Lenny
How would a sighted person know if something is doable with a screenreader? Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: NCBootman Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 11:13 PM Subject: Walmart.com and Jaws
I want to explore the possibility of ordering groceries from Walmart.com. I have the latest version of Jaws and a sighted friend says it doesnt look doable with a screen reader to them. Is anyone using the regular part of Walmart.com or the grocery.walmart.com section with positive results? When I tried to navigate the sight, there did not seem to be any rhyme or reason to things but Im told visually it is laid out very clearly. Also, when I tried to search Google for any tips, I got nowhere.
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NCBootman <ncbootman@...>
My friend did not say it could not be done. What they said was that it did not look like a site that was going to work well with Jaws and gave reasons why. It is interesting that people on this list are quick to criticize the fact that I called in a sighted person to see if they could help me see something to do different. But, not one person has offered even one suggestion of how I could improve my skills and learn how to navigate such a site. I’m even being criticized for doing what I could to resolve my own problem before searching out this list, subscribing, waiting to be approved, and asking the members for help.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 3:02 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Walmart.com and Jaws
Most sighted people don't, but there are a few who do. I'm usually leary when someone says something ca't be done, unless I know they are trained in accessibility or are very familiar with JAWs.
Mr. Damery is one such individual.
Justin
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Angel
If he is familiar with the screen reader used by the blind individual: As is Eric Damery: He could well know whether a site accommodates screen readers. Or at least the one with which he is familiar.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Glenn / Lenny
How would a sighted person know if something is doable with a screenreader? Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: NCBootman Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 11:13 PM Subject: Walmart.com and Jaws
I want to explore the possibility of ordering groceries from Walmart.com. I have the latest version of Jaws and a sighted friend says it doesnt look doable with a screen reader to them. Is anyone using the regular part of Walmart.com or the grocery.walmart.com section with positive results? When I tried to navigate the sight, there did not seem to be any rhyme or reason to things but Im told visually it is laid out very clearly. Also, when I tried to search Google for any tips, I got nowhere.
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Glenn / Lenny
What a sighted person sees has little to do with
what we access.
They will say something is at the bottom or top
right for example, and for us, it might be the middle of the page.
They usually don't know what page elements are that
we access with quick keys.
So I would say that unless they work in the field
of access software, that they are mostly useless when it comes to knowing how
accessible a page is, especially from just looking at it.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: NCBootman
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: Walmart.com and Jaws Very simple. If I am having no success and they look at the screen and describe what they see and it appears to be all graphical with no textual clue as to what I might do. There are arrows going off in different directions and headings that were clearly not being read as well as other visual aspects. That is why I came to this group to see what I am missing or what I can teach that person to be able to give me clues in the future when I encounter a difficult website. So, yes, a sighted person can definitely be of help if for nothing else to just describe what is seen on the screen.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
How would a sighted person know if something is doable with a screenreader? Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: NCBootman Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 11:13 PM Subject: Walmart.com and Jaws
I want to explore the possibility of ordering groceries from Walmart.com. I have the latest version of Jaws and a sighted friend says it doesn’t look doable with a screen reader to them. Is anyone using the regular part of Walmart.com or the grocery.walmart.com section with positive results? When I tried to navigate the sight, there did not seem to be any rhyme or reason to things but I’m told visually it is laid out very clearly. Also, when I tried to search Google for any tips, I got nowhere.
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Amanda Crocker
I just tried Walmart.com as was https://grocery.walmart.com using JAWS2020 and Firefox. I found that it read pretty well using the tab and arrow keys. I am less practiced and fluent with a lot of the short cut keys. I usually have to use my cheat sheets unless they’re the basic ones like ctrl v ctlc c, ect. so those of you that are more comfortable with website shortcuts and using the find function can probably navigate quicker, but it can be navigated using tab, shift tab, and arrows. The first couple of tabs will take you to a search bar, you can search for a specific item, or a type of item. Pres enter. Below the search banner area you are in, there is a panel on the right that you can narrow your results in using criteria like brand, types, ect. then there is a big grid layout area of the different search results, it reads what the result is and tab again for a add to cart button. On the left is a panel with your cart items. The biggest thing I had an issue with, and I think it was mostly a knowledge issue with me not know knowing the correct keys, was getting from the right panel, to the middle panel where it listed all the item choices.
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Just curious, but are those seeking to grocery shop from WalMart going to grocery.walmart.com? I just finished playing with it a bit, and it seems relatively accessible to me, very much so on the whole. And it seems very easy to search for common grocery items like hamburger, bananas, milk, etc. The buttons for adding individual items to the cart clearly announce what the item is.
I was shocked to find that delivery actually exists in my tiny town in the Shenandoah Valley. I knew that pick-up had been around for about a year or so, but not that they had started delivery. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Tolerance is the positive and cordial effort to understand another's beliefs, practices, and habits without necessarily sharing or accepting them. ~ Joshua Liebman
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NCBootman <ncbootman@...>
Very simple. If I am having no success and they look at the screen and describe what they see and it appears to be all graphical with no textual clue as to what I might do. There are arrows going off in different directions and headings that were clearly not being read as well as other visual aspects. That is why I came to this group to see what I am missing or what I can teach that person to be able to give me clues in the future when I encounter a difficult website. So, yes, a sighted person can definitely be of help if for nothing else to just describe what is seen on the screen.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 12:47 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Walmart.com and Jaws
How would a sighted person know if something is doable with a screenreader? Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: NCBootman Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 11:13 PM Subject: Walmart.com and Jaws
I want to explore the possibility of ordering groceries from Walmart.com. I have the latest version of Jaws and a sighted friend says it doesn’t look doable with a screen reader to them. Is anyone using the regular part of Walmart.com or the grocery.walmart.com section with positive results? When I tried to navigate the sight, there did not seem to be any rhyme or reason to things but I’m told visually it is laid out very clearly. Also, when I tried to search Google for any tips, I got nowhere.
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NCBootman <ncbootman@...>
What web address do you use? What browser? How do you navigate? I keep hearing people say it works great. But, nobody is giving any notion of anything I might try to make it work better for me. Help please.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Stevens
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 8:38 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Walmart.com and Jaws
I have been using the Walmart ordering system for pickup for about six months. I have no issues what so ever. Most of my orders are of 75 items or more and it’s easy to keep track of what is ordered and what is spent on the fly.
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From: NCBootman
I want to explore the possibility of ordering groceries from Walmart.com. I have the latest version of Jaws and a sighted friend says it doesn’t look doable with a screen reader to them. Is anyone using the regular part of Walmart.com or the grocery.walmart.com section with positive results? When I tried to navigate the sight, there did not seem to be any rhyme or reason to things but I’m told visually it is laid out very clearly. Also, when I tried to search Google for any tips, I got nowhere.
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