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Re: Walmart.com and Jaws
Glenn / Lenny
What a sighted person sees has little to do with
what we access.
They will say something is at the bottom or top
right for example, and for us, it might be the middle of the page.
They usually don't know what page elements are that
we access with quick keys.
So I would say that unless they work in the field
of access software, that they are mostly useless when it comes to knowing how
accessible a page is, especially from just looking at it.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: NCBootman
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: Walmart.com and Jaws Very simple. If I am having no success and they look at the screen and describe what they see and it appears to be all graphical with no textual clue as to what I might do. There are arrows going off in different directions and headings that were clearly not being read as well as other visual aspects. That is why I came to this group to see what I am missing or what I can teach that person to be able to give me clues in the future when I encounter a difficult website. So, yes, a sighted person can definitely be of help if for nothing else to just describe what is seen on the screen.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
How would a sighted person know if something is doable with a screenreader? Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: NCBootman Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 11:13 PM Subject: Walmart.com and Jaws
I want to explore the possibility of ordering groceries from Walmart.com. I have the latest version of Jaws and a sighted friend says it doesn’t look doable with a screen reader to them. Is anyone using the regular part of Walmart.com or the grocery.walmart.com section with positive results? When I tried to navigate the sight, there did not seem to be any rhyme or reason to things but I’m told visually it is laid out very clearly. Also, when I tried to search Google for any tips, I got nowhere.
NCBootMan
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Amanda Crocker
I just tried Walmart.com as was https://grocery.walmart.com using JAWS2020 and Firefox. I found that it read pretty well using the tab and arrow keys. I am less practiced and fluent with a lot of the short cut keys. I usually have to use my cheat sheets unless they’re the basic ones like ctrl v ctlc c, ect. so those of you that are more comfortable with website shortcuts and using the find function can probably navigate quicker, but it can be navigated using tab, shift tab, and arrows. The first couple of tabs will take you to a search bar, you can search for a specific item, or a type of item. Pres enter. Below the search banner area you are in, there is a panel on the right that you can narrow your results in using criteria like brand, types, ect. then there is a big grid layout area of the different search results, it reads what the result is and tab again for a add to cart button. On the left is a panel with your cart items. The biggest thing I had an issue with, and I think it was mostly a knowledge issue with me not know knowing the correct keys, was getting from the right panel, to the middle panel where it listed all the item choices.
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Just curious, but are those seeking to grocery shop from WalMart going to grocery.walmart.com? I just finished playing with it a bit, and it seems relatively accessible to me, very much so on the whole. And it seems very easy to search for common grocery items like hamburger, bananas, milk, etc. The buttons for adding individual items to the cart clearly announce what the item is.
I was shocked to find that delivery actually exists in my tiny town in the Shenandoah Valley. I knew that pick-up had been around for about a year or so, but not that they had started delivery. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Tolerance is the positive and cordial effort to understand another's beliefs, practices, and habits without necessarily sharing or accepting them. ~ Joshua Liebman
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NCBootman <ncbootman@...>
Very simple. If I am having no success and they look at the screen and describe what they see and it appears to be all graphical with no textual clue as to what I might do. There are arrows going off in different directions and headings that were clearly not being read as well as other visual aspects. That is why I came to this group to see what I am missing or what I can teach that person to be able to give me clues in the future when I encounter a difficult website. So, yes, a sighted person can definitely be of help if for nothing else to just describe what is seen on the screen.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 12:47 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Walmart.com and Jaws
How would a sighted person know if something is doable with a screenreader? Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: NCBootman Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 11:13 PM Subject: Walmart.com and Jaws
I want to explore the possibility of ordering groceries from Walmart.com. I have the latest version of Jaws and a sighted friend says it doesn’t look doable with a screen reader to them. Is anyone using the regular part of Walmart.com or the grocery.walmart.com section with positive results? When I tried to navigate the sight, there did not seem to be any rhyme or reason to things but I’m told visually it is laid out very clearly. Also, when I tried to search Google for any tips, I got nowhere.
NCBootMan
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NCBootman <ncbootman@...>
What web address do you use? What browser? How do you navigate? I keep hearing people say it works great. But, nobody is giving any notion of anything I might try to make it work better for me. Help please.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Stevens
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 8:38 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Walmart.com and Jaws
I have been using the Walmart ordering system for pickup for about six months. I have no issues what so ever. Most of my orders are of 75 items or more and it’s easy to keep track of what is ordered and what is spent on the fly.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: NCBootman
I want to explore the possibility of ordering groceries from Walmart.com. I have the latest version of Jaws and a sighted friend says it doesn’t look doable with a screen reader to them. Is anyone using the regular part of Walmart.com or the grocery.walmart.com section with positive results? When I tried to navigate the sight, there did not seem to be any rhyme or reason to things but I’m told visually it is laid out very clearly. Also, when I tried to search Google for any tips, I got nowhere.
NCBootMan
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NCBootman <ncbootman@...>
So, how did you navigate the site and what browser were you using? Instacart
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and Shipt are not in my area yet. So, doing Walmart pickup is the best option right now.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 7:05 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Walmart.com and Jaws I ordered from Wal-mart. The site was wonderfully accessible. I received an acknowledgment of my order, and each time I added to the list I received an email confirming my additions. An hour before the scheduled delivery, Wal-mart canceled the order. The email said for 'operational reasons'. I have used Shipt twice since then. the site isn't as good as Wal-Mart, but they have delivered. At 11:13 PM 4/11/2020, you wrote: I want to explore the possibility of ordering groceries from
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NCBootman <ncbootman@...>
Rick,
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What browser did you use? How did you get to a list of categories of food instead of those apparently random slides?
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 6:29 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Walmart.com and Jaws I didn't have much trouble with the site, in fact, I did place an order. You just have to spend some time getting familiar with the site like any other. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "NCBootman" <ncbootman@gmail.com> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 12:13 AM Subject: Walmart.com and Jaws I want to explore the possibility of ordering groceries from Walmart.com. I have the latest version of Jaws and a sighted friend says it doesn't look doable with a screen reader to them. Is anyone using the regular part of Walmart.com or the grocery.walmart.com section with positive results? When I tried to navigate the sight, there did not seem to be any rhyme or reason to things but I'm told visually it is laid out very clearly. Also, when I tried to search Google for any tips, I got nowhere. NCBootMan
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Judy
What is Shipt? Judy
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 7:05 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Walmart.com and Jaws I ordered from Wal-mart. The site was wonderfully accessible. I received an acknowledgment of my order, and each time I added to the list I received an email confirming my additions. An hour before the scheduled delivery, Wal-mart canceled the order. The email said for 'operational reasons'. I have used Shipt twice since then. the site isn't as good as Wal-Mart, but they have delivered. At 11:13 PM 4/11/2020, you wrote: I want to explore the possibility of ordering groceries from
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Judy
That’s terrible, there’s no reason for a company that big not to be accessible everywhere. Judy & Libby
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Abraham Sweiss
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 5:05 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Walmart.com and Jaws
It is doable but very challenging and frustrating.
By the way I have been told Walmart app on android as accessible. However the iPhone version is not.
Thanks,abraham
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Judy
Hi, I’ve ordered things from Walmart before using windows 10 and jaws 19 and it worked. I used the F key to go to a search field and type in what I’m looking for specifically and it will bring it up. I was able to hit enter on the thing I wanted and add it to my cart. It took a bit of getting used to as it is a very busy page and as you said, Jaws doesn’t necessarily read things on the page where a sighted person is seeing them, but you definitely can do it. Judy & Libby
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of NCBootman
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 12:14 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Walmart.com and Jaws
I want to explore the possibility of ordering groceries from Walmart.com. I have the latest version of Jaws and a sighted friend says it doesn’t look doable with a screen reader to them. Is anyone using the regular part of Walmart.com or the grocery.walmart.com section with positive results? When I tried to navigate the sight, there did not seem to be any rhyme or reason to things but I’m told visually it is laid out very clearly. Also, when I tried to search Google for any tips, I got nowhere.
NCBootMan
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Marie <magpie.mn@...>
I order from Wal-Mart almost every week and find the site very accessible
and I love the fact that I can take the full week to complete an order, adding
whenever I remember something that I need. The IOS app is useable but not all
that easy so I much prefer the website.
Right now there is so many things that people rushed out and depleted the
store of, it is taking time to re-stock.And delivery times are sometimes
difficult to schedule due to the increased deliveries.
But there are beginning to be fewer out of stock items and you learn to
pick what you can get at times. I got used to the site pretty quickly and have
been overall pleased with the service. In addition, the customer service has
been excellent. I give them a definite thumbs up.
Marie
From: NCBootman
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 9:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Walmart.com and Jaws I want to explore the possibility of ordering groceries from Walmart.com. I have the latest version of Jaws and a sighted friend says it doesn’t look doable with a screen reader to them. Is anyone using the regular part of Walmart.com or the grocery.walmart.com section with positive results? When I tried to navigate the sight, there did not seem to be any rhyme or reason to things but I’m told visually it is laid out very clearly. Also, when I tried to search Google for any tips, I got nowhere.
NCBootMan
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Re: WhatsApp Desktop Version and JAWS
Thabo Baseki <THAB0.BASEKI@...>
I thought so as well. I do not have problems with it on my smart phone. I was just wondering if it’s doable on the computer.
Best
Thabo
While we’re still here, I would like to invite you to visit jw.org. There you will find answers to many questions such as: Why do we suffer? Does God care about me? How can I find true happiness? What is the key to a successful
family? These and more are available on jw.org in over 1000 languages free of charge. Would you welcome a Bible discussion? I’m more than willing to chat.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Pramit <PRAMIT.VISION@...>
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 3:18:32 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> Subject: Re: WhatsApp Desktop Version and JAWS Hi Thabo,
I use it on my smart phone everyday and it's completely accessible, but didn't fins it accessible on my computer with JAWS.
Pramit
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 4:08 AM Thabo Baseki <THAB0.BASEKI@...> wrote:
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James Bentley
Can you order fresh produce and vegies or ground beef?
I have used Walmart pickup but I seem to be limited to just the items that show up one the first page of the web site. When I try to find other items thatI know are in the store, no luck.
James B
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Stevens
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 7:38 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Walmart.com and Jaws
I have been using the Walmart ordering system for pickup for about six months. I have no issues what so ever. Most of my orders are of 75 items or more and it’s easy to keep track of what is ordered and what is spent on the fly.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: NCBootman
I want to explore the possibility of ordering groceries from Walmart.com. I have the latest version of Jaws and a sighted friend says it doesn’t look doable with a screen reader to them. Is anyone using the regular part of Walmart.com or the grocery.walmart.com section with positive results? When I tried to navigate the sight, there did not seem to be any rhyme or reason to things but I’m told visually it is laid out very clearly. Also, when I tried to search Google for any tips, I got nowhere.
NCBootMan
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lilacprincess73@...
I use it on the IPhone and it is wonderful.
Alicia
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Abraham Sweiss
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 4:05 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Walmart.com and Jaws
It is doable but very challenging and frustrating.
By the way I have been told Walmart app on android as accessible. However the iPhone version is not.
Thanks,abraham
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Re: Keyboard Shortcut for Navigating Word Templates
Robbie,
As I have previously mentioned, F11 will only work in an MS-Word form document that has no editing restriction imposed. A well designed form should have editing restriction imposed to allow only filling out the form as its initial state. The three templates I supplied are an example of that. If you have either the blank templates you're using, or links to same I'll be happy to take a look at them, but I am not going to even try to guess as to what the designer may or may not have done with regard to the design of that template or restricting editing. As an aside, I do not know why, but all of your replies are embedding your message immediately after a quotation of the message heading from my prior message and before the message body of my prior message. This is very unusual since it has happened more than once. Top-posting is generally the best way to respond unless you are making a point by point response or are maintaining a line from a previous message for context. Neither seems to have been the case here. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Tolerance is the positive and cordial effort to understand another's beliefs, practices, and habits without necessarily sharing or accepting them. ~ Joshua Liebman
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Robbie Curtis
----------------------------------------- From: "Brian Vogel"To: main@jfw.groups.io Cc: Sent: Monday April 13 2020 7:50:46PM Subject: Re: Keyboard Shortcut for Navigating Word Templates Hi Brian, I just played with a resume template and the way it let me navigate was by using the tab or arrow keys. I did try using F11 but nothing happened. Can you send or tell me which document you tried so that I can see what happens? Thanks. Robbie, By the way, and I just tried it, if someone has created an MS-Word fillable form template, and has NOT restricted editing, you can jump from form field to form field using F11 to move forward and SHIFT+F11 to move backward. A good form template should have editing restricted to filling in the form only as the initial state. If editing of the text that's a part of the form itself, rather than a fillable field, one can do so using these instructions. (Note: Anyone who intends to be creating or using Microsoft Word Fillable Forms needs to add the Developer Tab to MS-Word and keep it there. Several of the commands below rely on having access to commands in the Developer Tab, which is not visible, nor accessible, in Word's default state). Unprotecting All Word Form Fields and Converting Them to Regular Text 1. You must first remove the restricted editing settings that allow you only to fill out the form a. Activate the Developer Tab, Restrict Editing. ALT+L,PE b. Activate the Stop Protection button, which is the only button. Just Hit Enter c. Close the Restrict Editing pane. CTRL+Spacebar,C 2. Select all content in the document. CTRL+A 3. Issue the command to convert all form fields to regular Word text. CTRL+SHIFT+F9 At this point all form fields will be straight text like the rest of the document, and can be edited just as you usually would. You cannot reverse this action, so be certain you have filled out anything that needs to have been filled out before going through the above steps. --Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Tolerance is the positive and cordial effort to understand another's beliefs, practices, and habits without necessarily sharing or accepting them. ~ Joshua Liebman
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Re: WhatsApp Desktop Version and JAWS
Pramit
Hi Thabo, I use it on my smart phone everyday and it's completely accessible, but didn't fins it accessible on my computer with JAWS. Pramit
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 4:08 AM Thabo Baseki <THAB0.BASEKI@...> wrote:
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Robbie,
By the way, and I just tried it, if someone has created an MS-Word fillable form template, and has NOT restricted editing, you can jump from form field to form field using F11 to move forward and SHIFT+F11 to move backward. A good form template should have editing restricted to filling in the form only as the initial state. If editing of the text that's a part of the form itself, rather than a fillable field, one can do so using these instructions. (Note: Anyone who intends to be creating or using Microsoft Word Fillable Forms needs to add the Developer Tab to MS-Word and keep it there. Several of the commands below rely on having access to commands in the Developer Tab, which is not visible, nor accessible, in Word's default state). Unprotecting All Word Form Fields and Converting Them to Regular Text 1. You must first remove the restricted editing settings that allow you only to fill out the form a. Activate the Developer Tab, Restrict Editing. ALT+L,PE b. Activate the Stop Protection button, which is the only button. Just Hit Enter c. Close the Restrict Editing pane. CTRL+Spacebar,C 2. Select all content in the document. CTRL+A 3. Issue the command to convert all form fields to regular Word text. CTRL+SHIFT+F9 At this point all form fields will be straight text like the rest of the document, and can be edited just as you usually would. You cannot reverse this action, so be certain you have filled out anything that needs to have been filled out before going through the above steps. --Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Tolerance is the positive and cordial effort to understand another's beliefs, practices, and habits without necessarily sharing or accepting them. ~ Joshua Liebman
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Robbie,
I'd have to see the actual template you're trying to use, as what various people consider templates, and even more so, form templates, varies widely. If you want to play with three MS-Word Form Templates created by me, that are entirely accessible, download and open any one of these three: NVDA_Github_Issue_Template.dotx New_Client_Intake_Form.dotx Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Tolerance is the positive and cordial effort to understand another's beliefs, practices, and habits without necessarily sharing or accepting them. ~ Joshua Liebman
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Re: WhatsApp Desktop Version and JAWS
Judy Redlich <jredlichspeaks@...>
I use it on my smart phone and it works pretty well. I do not use it on my computer. Judy
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Thabo Baseki
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 5:39 PM To: jfw@groups.io Subject: WhatsApp Desktop Version and JAWS
Hi, friends!
Has anyone here used WhatsApp with JAWS on their machine? I tried it, but had issues. I did not understand how it is navigated. Any help will be appreciated.
Best
Thabo
While we’re still here, I would like to invite you to visit jw.org. There you will find answers to many questions such as: Why do we suffer? Does God care about me? How can I find true happiness? What is the key to a successful family? These and more are available on jw.org in over 1000 languages free of charge. Would you welcome a Bible discussion? I’m more than willing to chat.
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