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moderated Jaws suddenly isn't speaking in word 365

CJ &AA MAY
 

I was editting a document on my windows10 computer when jaws went silent. Any suggestions?  

by Alison may
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On 8 Mar 2020, at 6:48 pm, Abraham Sweiss <abrahamsweiss8@...> wrote:

If your role will be to train others to use jaws, working in the rehabilitation industry or will be writing jaws Scripps  certification may be helpful, however in other industries not sure how useful it would be.

Thanks,abraham 

On Mar 8, 2020, at 11:43 AM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki <nuno69a@...> wrote:

Hello,

I wanted to do a certificate in JAWS, but it is worth the trouble? Can I get some jobs with the cert if I am not in the U. S?

 

Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno

 


moderated Re: Is it worth certifying in JAWS?

Milton Ota
 

Hello,

 

Other than the earlier response you got from your post, taking the Freedom Scientific JAWS certification, you are testing yourknowledge of JAWS and want that satisfaction. Should you decide to take the certification test and get your certification it is not free but just taking the test to test your knowledge is free.

 

It is your decision.

  

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2020 10:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Is it worth certifying in JAWS?

 

Hello,

I wanted to do a certificate in JAWS, but it is worth the trouble? Can I get some jobs with the cert if I am not in the U. S?

 

Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno

 


moderated Jaws does not read Windows 10 notifications

Arkadiusz Świętnicki
 

My friend still continues his adventure with JAWS< but hew has some problems I have never had…

Now, his Windows 10 notifications are not being read. What can be wrong?

Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno

 


moderated A Demo of Leasey: All Are Welcome; Friday, March 13 at 8:00 PM Eastern from the Philadelphia Computer Users Group for the Blind and Visually Impaired

David Goldfield
 

Meeting Topic: a Demo of the Leasey Software

Group: the Philadelphia Computer Users Group for the Blind and Visually Impaired

Date: Friday, March 13, 2020

Time: 8:00 PM Eastern

 

Introduction

If you’ve been a user of the JAWS screen reader for even a short time you know that it’s rich in features and capabilities and possesses an impressive array of configuration options. However, as powerful as JAWS may be there is a third party program which you can add to your existing copy of JAWS which offers even more tools and capabilities to make using JAWS even easier. Many of these features will allow you to more easily complete tasks and will definitely increase your productivity. Meet Leasey, which I will be demonstrating during the next phone meeting of the Philadelphia Computer Users Group for the Blind and Visually Impaired.

Leasey is a program written by Hartgen Consultancy. It consists of over 50 separate features but it can be broken down into two components, which are Leasey Basic and Leasey Advanced.

Leasey Basic

Leasey Basic consists of a menu-driven interface to access the programs and functions of your computer. Instead of dealing with the start menu and the desktop pressing a single key opens the Leasey Main Menu, which contains options such as Write a Document or Letter, Check Your Email, Surf the Internet, etc. Pressing enter on any of these options opens a submenu with even more options. Leasey Basic also contains context-sensitive help which provides information on where you are on the computer and what you can do. These menus and help screens are spoken by a friendly, female human voice known as Leasey. This can help users who are new to the computer to slowly transition not only to using synthesized speech but in using their computer. Leasey Basic is ideal for new or novice users, users with cognitive disabilities or those who want a friendly, consistent way to access their computer.

Leasey Advanced

Some readers who are more experienced users may be wondering if Leasey has any features which are relevant to them. This is where Leasey Advanced comes in and will be featured during the bulk of our upcoming demo. Leasey Advanced contains so many features that we won’t be able to show you all of them in the time allotted. However, here are some of the features which we’ll be demonstrating.

·         Leasey Clips. This allows you to store up to twelve separate blocks of text into clipboard-like areas which can then be pasted in a document. These text blocks are preserved even after restarting your computer.

·         Leasey Texts. You can store an unlimited list of text blocks, such as names, addresses, signatures, etc. These blocks of text can be named using a title of the user’s choosing and can be recalled from a list. Optionally, you can use an abbreviation to paste a block of text, such as typing “addr” to paste an address.

·         Leasey Select. Easily select text by using intuitive hotkeys to mark the beginning and end of the block. There’s even a way to mark the end of a block of text and then have that text copied to the clipboard.

·         Leasey Search. Search for information from a variety of sources no matter where you located. Examples include Google, the NLS catalog and databases to look up information about music or TV shows.

·         In Microsoft Word press hotkeys to move the cursor to the next or previous spelling error as well as to the next or previous grammatical error without the need to toggle the virtual cursor.

·         A simpler interface to Word’s spell checker.

·         How to quickly unprotect a Word file

·         How to obtain help on accessing All Leasey commands and to remind yourself and/or to learn Leasey keystrokes

Following the demo we’ll be happy to answer questions from participants.

How to Participate

You can join our meeting using Zoom by opening the following link.

https://zoom.us/j/3565857579

 

Meeting ID: 356 585 7579

 

One tap mobile

+19294362866,,3565857579# US (New York)

+16699006833,,3565857579# US (San Jose)

 

Dial by your location

        +1 929 436 2866 US (New York)

        +1 669 900 6833 US (San Jose)

Meeting ID: 356 585 7579

Find your local number: https://zoom.us/u/alWW1tLpC

 

-- 
David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org


moderated Re: Is it worth certifying in JAWS?

Abraham Sweiss
 

If your role will be to train others to use jaws, working in the rehabilitation industry or will be writing jaws Scripps  certification may be helpful, however in other industries not sure how useful it would be.

Thanks,abraham 

On Mar 8, 2020, at 11:43 AM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki <nuno69a@...> wrote:

Hello,

I wanted to do a certificate in JAWS, but it is worth the trouble? Can I get some jobs with the cert if I am not in the U. S?

 

Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno

 


moderated FW: IPEVO VZ-X Doc Cam: A Stealth Video Magnifier From Access World

Richard Turner
 

I know there are a lot of low-vision users on this list.

If you are not a reader of the Access World from American Foundation for the Blind, you may have missed this.

 

Text follows the link.

 

https://www.afb.org/aw/21/2/16908

 

IPEVO VZ-X Doc Cam: A Stealth Video Magnifier

main region

article

Steve Kelley

Some of us have been looking for alternatives to desktop video magnifiers for years. They can be expensive, take up a lot of room on your desk, and most

models aren’t very portable. Many of us have different tricks we’ve tried with our tablets, phones, Web cameras, and computers to cobble together a video

magnifier that is cheaper, more portable, or more flexible, with somewhat limited success.

Without targeting the low vision video magnifier market per se, a document camera manufacturer, IPEVO has developed a model, the VZ-X, that looks like

it was developed specifically for use as a low vision device! Imagine for a moment a stand-mounted camera that weighs less than 3 pounds, can connect to

virtually any display, and has many of the controls you’d expect to find on a video magnifier built right into the stand.

The VZ-X Stand

The VZ-X is a stand-mounted camera that can connect to an HD monitor, computer, tablet, or phone, using a USB cable (provided), HDMI cable (not provided),

or WiFi. Several features immediately stand out about the design of the stand. The stand weighs about 2.6 pounds, and much of the weight is in the circular

base. The base is about 4.5 inches across and holds a battery which will power the unit for 9 hours. Because of the weighted base, this stand sits solidly

on the desk—no tipping.

The stand is 12.7 inches tall and has an arm that folds out and up with a camera on the end. Everything about the stand feels solid and durable. The camera

housing is also jointed so it folds up and down and left to right. The flexibility of the camera makes it very versatile for tasks other than document

viewing.

The VZ-X camera is an 8-megapixel HD camera that can also be used for capturing video as well, with a resolution of 3264 x 2448 when connected to the USB

cable. The images from the camera are sharp, focus quickly in autofocus, and there is minimal lag time when moving printed text beneath the camera.

Controlling the VZ-X

One of the really unique features of the VZ-X is that at its most basic, it can be plugged into an HD monitor or TV using an HDMI cable, turned on, and

used with just the controls on the camera arm. IPEVO offers free downloadable software called Visualizer, available for Windows, Mac, iOS, and Android,

which has additional features, but is not necessary to use the camera.

Nearly all of the basic controls are on the lower arm of the stand, as well as USB and HDMI input. The controls are labeled in high contrast white-on-blue,

but in small print. The buttons, however, are each slightly different to the touch, so between their location on the arm and the feel of the button, after

a short period of time it's easy to find the right button for the control you want.

Starting at the bottom and going up the stand, users will find the following controls:

list of 13 items

• Power button clicks up and down.

• Focus/Auto Focus button is slightly elevated. By default, the focus is set to continuous automatic. A single press of the button will refocus the camera,

and a longer press will unlock the continuous auto focus.

• Exp- will decrease the exposure if the image appears too bright.

• Exp+ will increase the exposure if the image appears too dark. (Note that these exposure settings can make a significant difference in image contrast

and quality).

• Zoom Out designated with a recessed button. Each push of the button decreases the magnification of the image.

• Zoom In designated with an elevated button. Each push of the button increases the magnification of the image.

• Rotate by 90 degrees with each press of the button.

• Filter, often called the “Mode” on video magnifiers, which changes the foreground and background setting. For example, the image of black text on white

paper might be filtered so that the text is white on a black background. (Note that when used with the Visualizer software there are more filter options

than those available when using just the hardware controls connected to an HD monitor or TV).

• Light button turns on an LED light in the camera housing.

• Above the light button is an LED indicator light that appears green when the unit is powered on, amber when connected by WiFi, and white when in use

and an image is being provided.

• Above the LED light is a small microphone that can be used for other Web camera functions.

• Opposite these controls, on the other side of the stand, are the HDMI and micro-USB inputs, a frequency toggle from 50 Hz to 60 Hz (60 Hz is what is

commonly used in the U.S), and a toggle for the input mode, WiFi or USB/HDMI.

• There are two additional controls found on the base of the stand, an Action button and battery indicator button. The Action button works with the visualizer

software when connected by WiFi or USB. When connected to an iPad running Visualizer, for example, this will take a picture of the image. When the battery

indicator button is pressed, as many as 5 LED indicator lights will shine to indicate remaining battery level.

list end

VZ-X on HDTV or HD Monitor

The simplest way to use the VZ-X is to connect it to an HDTV or HD Monitor using an HDMI cable you’ll need to purchase separately. Use the TV menu to change

to HDMI input, connect the VZ-X to the monitor, and turn both on. Place an object or printed text beneath the camera, and it will be projected on the monitor.

Use the camera arm to raise and lower the camera on the document or object you’re looking at, and the zoom buttons to get it to a magnification level you

want. Cycle through the filters by pressing the filter button to find the right one for you. Be sure to experiment with the exposure buttons to adjust

the brightness of the image.

VZ-X Stand Filters

One of the most useful features on the VZ-X, in addition to the screen magnification using the Zoom buttons, is the filter option for images on the screen.

Like a standard video magnifier, for many users this may make reading easier by changing the foreground and background colors to eliminate glare and increase

contrast. The VZ-X offers several filters to choose from, just using the button on the stand. By default, the initial filter is full color filter when

it first comes on, and pressing the filter button will cycle through the following filters:

list of 6 items

• inverted color

• yellow foreground on black background (so printed text will appear as yellow text on a black background)

• black and white

• white foreground on a black background

• black foreground on a yellow background

• return to the full color mode

list end

When the VZ-X is connected to a computer, tablet, or phone running the Visualizer software, there are additional filter options through the software. For

example, the software contains a filter that changes black text on a white background into red text on a black background.

VZ-X Connected to USB or WiFi

The VZ-X camera will connect to a computer using the USB cable provided or WiFi. Tablets and smartphone connection is primarily WiFi. To connect by WiFi,

power on the camera and make sure the input mode button is toggled to WiFi. The camera will then appear in the WiFi options on your device as an open source.

During this review, the VZ-X connected quickly to both a Windows PC and iOS iPad.

When connected to the Windows 10 computer, the VZ-X worked with other software, like the Windows Camera App, Office Lens, and even ZoomText. In these apps,

the VZ-X worked with the software controls available in the various software applications and the hardware controls on the stand. For example, in the Windows

Camera App, there are no software controls for magnification or color filters, but both could be used from the VZ-X’s buttons. With ZoomText, the camera

image responded to the built-in ZoomText commands of up and down keyboard arrows to increase and decrease magnification, as well as the VZ-X’s buttons.

Just using the Windows Camera app, it was clear how useful this might be for taking notes from a printed document. The magnified camera image of the text

could be open in one window while the word processor was open in another, with the user tabbing between the two, without the need for a second monitor,

as you might have with a more conventional desktop magnifier setup.

IPEVO Visualizer Software

To take full advantage of all the features of the VZ-X when connected to a computer, tablet, or phone, IPEVO offers a free application, called Visualizer,

available for Windows, Mac, iOS and Android.

The Visualizer software is full of features that are useful for low vision video magnification as well as document capture and presentation. Most notable

among these features for the low vision user are the Zoom and Filter options that appear on the left as a sidebar menu. With the Zoom button, you can more

precisely designate a specific magnification power from 1X-12X. It’s worth noting here that each time the hardware button on the stand is depressed for

Zoom In or Zoom Out, it also increases or decreases magnification by 1X, to a maximum of 12X.

As mentioned earlier, the filter options in the Visualizer software are greater than those available through the hardware buttons on the stand. The Filter

software button includes 12 modes:

list of 11 items

• no filter (full color)

• inverted color

• black and white

• inverted black and white

• grayscale

• sepia

• white on blue

• yellow on blue

• red on black

• sketch

• outline

list end

Both “sketch” and “outline” appear more as filters that might be used during presentations. Another great feature available on the Mac and Windows version

of the Visualizer software is the Masking feature in the Reading Aids. This opens from the icon shaped like a book in the bottom right of the application

window. With masking a translucent line can be used to highlight text in a line across the page or all text can be covered on the page except for a line

or two. This can be a very helpful feature for some readers that is not always found on more standard video magnifiers.

The Visualizer software also will capture both photo and video images, freeze an image, and add display features like a vertical or horizontal line, or

a grid pattern, which may be very helpful for reading on the display. For reading, one of the interesting features observed on the iPad Visualizer was

that when the image was magnified, dragging a finger across the screen would move you to other parts of the image. So, the camera could be positioned to

include a page or column within the window. The image can be magnified using either the zoom control on the stand or within the software, and then dragging

a finger across the iPad screen acted nearly as efficiently as using a standard XY table on a desktop video magnifier to reposition the magnified document.

Text-to-Speech on the VZ-X

Text-to-speech (TTS) is built into the Visualizer software. Take a picture of the document, select the image in the bottom left corner of the application

and the image opens with several menu options in the top right corner including TTS. Select the TTS icon (a megaphone over document) and the image opens

on the left side of a split screen, with the converted text on the right side, after processing. Press the play button to hear the text read out loud.

Text recognition was quite accurate, and processing took only a second or two.

TTS is also available with other applications, using the VZ-X as the camera. In Office Lens, for example, the text recognition was very accurate when converting

a page of serif type from an older printed book.

VZ-X Accessibility

After reading above that the VZ-X buttons are also differentiated with tactile differences, it will come as no surprise to learn that the Visualizer software,

at least the version for iOS, worked very well with VoiceOver. One menu button was labeled as “button,” but all the others used during the testing were

labeled correctly. Available on the

IPEVO website

are “Voluntary Product Accessibility Templates” for both the camera and Visualizer software. These are located beneath the Support tab and were assessed

by third party vendor, Accessibility Partners, LLC. Both reports demonstrated how hardware and software stacked up to the various accessibility and usability

standards. Bravo! Wouldn’t it be great if more manufacturers did this?

VZ-X vs. Desktop Video Magnifier

At $299 retail, the IPEVO VZ-X costs less than most handheld video magnifiers, and far less than standard desktop models. When connected to an HD monitor

or HDTV, it has many of the standard features for magnification and color modes you’d expect on a video magnifier. The one notable exception being that

you will find some desktop video magnifiers offer screen magnification as much as 70X, while the VZ-X offers a maximum of only 12X.

If most of your reading is from printed book or magazines, you may really miss the XY table that many desktop units come with, but the total flexibility

offered with the VZ-X, in terms of the devices it can be used with and the portability, might outweigh that missing feature. The IPEVO VZ-X wasn’t designed

as an alternative for a low vision video magnifier, but it packs enough features into both the hardware and software that it really is worth taking a look

at if you’re looking for video magnification solutions. The bottom line is that the IPEVO VZ-X is a well-designed, sturdy document scanner with more than

enough features to make it a serious contender in the low vision market, at a very reasonable price.

Product Information

Product:

VZ-X Wireless, HDMI & USB 8MP Document Camera

Manufacturer:

IPEVO

Price: $299

This article is made possible in part by generous funding from the James H. and Alice Teubert Charitable Trust, Huntington, West Virginia.

Comment on this article.


moderated Is it worth certifying in JAWS?

Arkadiusz Świętnicki
 

Hello,

I wanted to do a certificate in JAWS, but it is worth the trouble? Can I get some jobs with the cert if I am not in the U. S?

 

Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno

 


moderated Re: Finding the ip addresss of a computer?

Arkadiusz Świętnicki
 

There is always a possibility that she can use UPNP if her router supports it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2020 10:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Finding the ip addresss of a computer?

 

OK then, part of what I wrote is still valid--the port-forwarding part anyway.

 

On 3/7/2020 6:03 PM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki wrote:

She wants the remote desktop, not the file server lol.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020 8:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Finding the ip addresss of a computer?

 

You need a lot more than just the IP address.

 

1. In order to access anything on a computer, you need a file server of some kind--FTP, http, etc.

 

2. In order to make a file server work, you need two addresses--that of the computer itself, and that of the router to which said computer is connected.

 

2.1. To get the address of the computer on which the server is running, do the following:

2.1.1. Open the Windows Start menu by tapping the Windows Key.

2.1.2. In the search field, type cmd. Hear Windows say "Command prompt ..." etc. Press ENTER.

2.1.3. At the prompt, type "ipconfig" and press ENTER.

2.1.4. Use the JAWS Cursor and move through the screen contents until you find something that sounds similar to this:

 

   IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.140

 

Whatever you find that closely resembles the above, that's your computer's address. Make a note of it.

 

2.1.5 type EXIT and press ENTER to close the Command Prompt window.

2.2. To find the address of the great unwashed Internet on which your router sits, go to http://www.whatismyip.com and look for something on the screen that sounds like this:

 

My Public IPv4 is: blah.blah.blah.blah

 

The numbers you hear, sepearted by periods, are your external wide-area network (WAN) address. Make a note of it.

 

Now for the hard part.

 

3. Using your router's address, which you can find by searching the screen you got in step 1 and looking for the string "Gateway," log into your router' administrative/maintenance account  and set up a forwarded port to the computer who's address you discovered in Step 2.1 above. The port number you will forward depends upon the kind of server you've set up. Secure FTP is port 22; https is port 443. How to accomplish logging into your router and setting up a forwarded port is beyond the scope of this mesage, mostly since all router manufacturers have different ways of doing it.

 

You're all set now. You can set up your internal file server to give you access to anything on your home system.

 

Note that some network-attached storage devices offer this ability in a nice, pre-packaged application which is a lot easier to set up than what I just described, except for the port forwarding part. That one's  a necessary evil unfortunately.

 

On 3/6/2020 10:39 AM, Jessica D wrote:

Hi,

I have a computer that’s running windows 10 pro, with jaws 2020.

I’d like to be a able to access this computer remotely.

 

In order to do this, I need the IP Address.

To find it, I have to access a toolbar.

 

How would I go about doing that with jaws?

 

Thanks,

 

Jessica

 


moderated Re: Finding the ip addresss of a computer?

Steve Matzura
 

OK then, part of what I wrote is still valid--the port-forwarding part anyway.


On 3/7/2020 6:03 PM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki wrote:

She wants the remote desktop, not the file server lol.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020 8:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Finding the ip addresss of a computer?

 

You need a lot more than just the IP address.

 

1. In order to access anything on a computer, you need a file server of some kind--FTP, http, etc.

 

2. In order to make a file server work, you need two addresses--that of the computer itself, and that of the router to which said computer is connected.

 

2.1. To get the address of the computer on which the server is running, do the following:

2.1.1. Open the Windows Start menu by tapping the Windows Key.

2.1.2. In the search field, type cmd. Hear Windows say "Command prompt ..." etc. Press ENTER.

2.1.3. At the prompt, type "ipconfig" and press ENTER.

2.1.4. Use the JAWS Cursor and move through the screen contents until you find something that sounds similar to this:

 

   IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.140

 

Whatever you find that closely resembles the above, that's your computer's address. Make a note of it.

 

2.1.5 type EXIT and press ENTER to close the Command Prompt window.

2.2. To find the address of the great unwashed Internet on which your router sits, go to http://www.whatismyip.com and look for something on the screen that sounds like this:

 

My Public IPv4 is: blah.blah.blah.blah

 

The numbers you hear, sepearted by periods, are your external wide-area network (WAN) address. Make a note of it.

 

Now for the hard part.

 

3. Using your router's address, which you can find by searching the screen you got in step 1 and looking for the string "Gateway," log into your router' administrative/maintenance account  and set up a forwarded port to the computer who's address you discovered in Step 2.1 above. The port number you will forward depends upon the kind of server you've set up. Secure FTP is port 22; https is port 443. How to accomplish logging into your router and setting up a forwarded port is beyond the scope of this mesage, mostly since all router manufacturers have different ways of doing it.

 

You're all set now. You can set up your internal file server to give you access to anything on your home system.

 

Note that some network-attached storage devices offer this ability in a nice, pre-packaged application which is a lot easier to set up than what I just described, except for the port forwarding part. That one's  a necessary evil unfortunately.

 

On 3/6/2020 10:39 AM, Jessica D wrote:

Hi,

I have a computer that’s running windows 10 pro, with jaws 2020.

I’d like to be a able to access this computer remotely.

 

In order to do this, I need the IP Address.

To find it, I have to access a toolbar.

 

How would I go about doing that with jaws?

 

Thanks,

 

Jessica

 


moderated Re: Finding the ip addresss of a computer?

Steve Matzura
 

I already wrote how to do it.


On 3/6/2020 4:50 PM, Jessica D wrote:
Hi,
Do you know how to do it? 
Can you provide exact steps? 

Thanks,
Jessica



On Mar 6, 2020, at 4:49 PM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki <nuno69a@...> wrote:



For this to work, you need public IP address, open ports and so on. It is not that easy.

 

Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 10:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Finding the ip addresss of a computer?

 

Hi,

I have a computer, in outside my home, that I'd like to access, when I'm not physically near it. 

I have the remote desktop app on my iphone and ipad. 

The computer is running win10 pro, and jaws2020. 

You have to have a password on the computer you want to connect to. 

You also need internet access. 

 

Once that's done, open the "remote desktop connection" app, and there are several tabs. 

 

Under "advanced, I think it was where it asked for the server name. 

After that, it constantly asked for my password, and would not take it. 

 

Can anyone help? 

I'm so close to finally getting this. 

 

Thanks,

Jessica

 



On Mar 6, 2020, at 4:03 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Jessica,

What is it, precisely, that you're trying to accomplish here?  And using what program or instructions?

Any of a million things can ask for the things  you're asking about and it would make it much easier to help if one has the whole picture.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Tolerance is the positive and cordial effort to understand another's beliefs, practices, and habits without necessarily sharing or accepting them.

        ~ Joshua Liebman


moderated Re: Creating website with JAWS

CathyAnne Murtha
 

Personally, I like having my own domain. I pay a yearly fee to Dreamhost to host my WordPress site.

Dreamhost has a one-click WordPress install option.

I have a new WordPress with JAWS for Windows book I just released. I’m not sure if I’m allowed to post a link but you can find it on my website and I provide complete support.

Whatever you decide, I think you’ll love WordPress.

CathyAnne

---
CathyAnne Murtha
Access Technology Institute
www.blind.training
cathy@...
(520) 955-6611

CathyAnne Murtha
CEO
Access Technology Institute, LLC
www.blind.training
cathy@...
Phone: (520) 955-6611



On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 6:07 PM -0700, "ann" <tate886@...> wrote:

Hi,

Is it necessary to use a paid Wordpress account or is creating free Wordpress sites just as accessible with Jaws?

And any specific Wordpress book recommendations?

Thanks,
~Ann



On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 08:03 PM, Richard B. McDonald wrote:

Hi Thabo!

 

I have used WordPress, Drupal and learned some HTML.  For sure, WP is the best.  Learning some HTML is helpful too, but not critical.  Drupal seems to be more of an enterprise CMS.  WP can do it all; accessibly too.  Use its “classic editor.”  Get a book on using WP from Bookshare.

 

HTH,

Richard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Thabo Baseki
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2020 6:55 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Creating website with JAWS

 

 Good day friends!

 

Thank you for adding me to the mailing list. This is my first post to the group, and I am excited, I can have my inquiries head. 

 

 I have never created a website before, and I want to learn how to do it. Where can I start? Is the place accessible with jars? Some people were telling me that I should use notepad, how is that effective?

 

Thank you for all the suggestions in advance!

 

Best regards

 

 

 

Thabo

 

 

 

 


moderated Re: Creating website with JAWS

ann
 

Hi,

Is it necessary to use a paid Wordpress account or is creating free Wordpress sites just as accessible with Jaws?

And any specific Wordpress book recommendations?

Thanks,
~Ann



On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 08:03 PM, Richard B. McDonald wrote:

Hi Thabo!

 

I have used WordPress, Drupal and learned some HTML.  For sure, WP is the best.  Learning some HTML is helpful too, but not critical.  Drupal seems to be more of an enterprise CMS.  WP can do it all; accessibly too.  Use its “classic editor.”  Get a book on using WP from Bookshare.

 

HTH,

Richard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Thabo Baseki
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2020 6:55 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Creating website with JAWS

 

 Good day friends!

 

Thank you for adding me to the mailing list. This is my first post to the group, and I am excited, I can have my inquiries head. 

 

 I have never created a website before, and I want to learn how to do it. Where can I start? Is the place accessible with jars? Some people were telling me that I should use notepad, how is that effective?

 

Thank you for all the suggestions in advance!

 

Best regards

 

 

 

Thabo

 

 

 

 


moderated Re: Creating website with JAWS

Richard B. McDonald
 

Hi Thabo!

 

I have used WordPress, Drupal and learned some HTML.  For sure, WP is the best.  Learning some HTML is helpful too, but not critical.  Drupal seems to be more of an enterprise CMS.  WP can do it all; accessibly too.  Use its “classic editor.”  Get a book on using WP from Bookshare.

 

HTH,

Richard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Thabo Baseki
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2020 6:55 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Creating website with JAWS

 

 Good day friends!

 

Thank you for adding me to the mailing list. This is my first post to the group, and I am excited, I can have my inquiries head. 

 

 I have never created a website before, and I want to learn how to do it. Where can I start? Is the place accessible with jars? Some people were telling me that I should use notepad, how is that effective?

 

Thank you for all the suggestions in advance!

 

Best regards

 

 

 

Thabo

 

 

 


moderated Re: Enabling Jaws to speak proofreading info

Norma A. Boge
 

Hi Adrian and Ann?

Success! This was so much easier than I thought it would be. I was thinking I was really gonna have to get under the hood for this one. I have to tell you, though, that the first time I did alt+delete, it deleted the word. Then I tried it again, and Jaws said “PC cursor” and then gave me the info in inches, awesome! Thanks again, people. Cheers! Norma

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020 2:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Enabling Jaws to speak proofreading info

 

Norma,

 

Press alt-delete (on the six-pack, and maybe also the numpad) for JAWS to give you position details in inches. If it doesn’t speak in inches but center meters, post again because there’s a method to switch that I don’t recall at this moment.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Norma A. Boge
Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020 3:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Enabling Jaws to speak proofreading info

 

Hi everyone,

 

I’m using J2020 and Word 365. I need to know, in inches, where a line of text starts. For example, If a character were right in the center, Jaws should tell me 4.25”.

And I also need the keystroke to read this info. Hope this makes sense. I’m sure I need to modify the Proofreading setting but haven’t spent a lot of time there so want to be precise in my changes.

 

Thanks,

Norma

 


moderated Re: unload and reload Jaws?

David Griffith
 

 

Sounds great but how do you do this?

If I enable Windows Sticky keys this does not seem to apply to the insert key – at least here. It affects keys like control and alt etc but definitely not the insert key.

I tried searching under sticky and insert in Jaws settings but could not find anything here either to set up an insert sticky mode.

David Griffith

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Tim Ford
Sent: 07 March 2020 23:30
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

If you enable the insert key sticky mode, it will make this easy as pie, you need only press and release the insert/JAWS key, then press/hold the windows key and tap F4.   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020 3:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

Maybe you should try doing it with Narrator enable and not enabled to see if that also makes a difference.

 

I am trying it out myself but on my mechanical keyboard  windows insert and F4 is quite a finger stretch.

 

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Tim Ford
Sent: 07 March 2020 22:12
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

Interesting, I just tried it again, this time counting, and it took around 8 seconds total from the time I pressed the key command to when JAWS started up again.  That is quite a wide difference.   

 

Tim

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020 2:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

I just tried this and it took about 25 seconds for JAWS to start back up.

----- Original Message -----

From: Tim Ford

Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020 4:41 PM

Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

I just tried the jaws + windows key + F4, and it works well.  It does not give you the usual screen when exiting JAWS, which was at first confusing because it takes 5-10 seconds before speech stops.  JAWS then restarts very quickly, much faster than usual when starting JAWS, maybe 3 seconds or so.  I like it!

 

Tim Ford

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Melissa Stott via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020 1:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

The Control Alt J still works for me when I want to load Jaws.  However, I have noticed when pressing Insert Windows J, it hesitates to reload.  Sometimes, it doesn’t reload.

 

                .                               Melissa

 

From: JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020 2:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

Have actually noticed this as well, oddly enough..

Must have something to do with accessibility api (if that's the correct terminology) becoming frozen for one reason or another. Would be  interesting to see if someone can verify this and provide a more technical explanation.

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith

Sent: March 7, 2020 1:34 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

I really think you may have hit upon something  here.

I too have noticed that when Jaws becomes unresponsive if I turn on Narrator  then pretty quickly Jaws comes back to life and starts talking as well, whereupon  I can turn Narrator off again.

 

This can happen for example if I am using Mp3Gain to increase the volume of a large number of mp3 files. This is an activity which Jaws does not seem to like and can often become unresponsive during the process.

 

I had put this apparent ability to unlock Jaws using Narrator down to coincidence  but given  your experience also there may be something happening when turning Narrator  on which is, behind the scenes, unlocking  some kind of log jam in Jaws.

 

David Griffith

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt

Sent: 07 March 2020 16:09

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

I find this key combo works much more slowly in JAWS 2020 than in previous versions. The funny thing is that lately I've found a way to get JAWS to reload more quickly is to start Narrator with control-windows key-enter. For some reason, this seems to inspire JAWS also to load, at which point I toggle Narrator off with the same keystroke. I haven't read about this workaround anywhere. I just noticed it happening once, and then it happened several times after that. Probably not consistent.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith

Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020 11:04 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

 

I have just tried it and yes it does work so thanks for the information.

Unfortunately, as you say it is very slow compared to the equivalent in NVDA but it is still a good option to use when Jaws starts to struggle. I will experiment and try it out over the next few weeks.

Thanks again to Bill for  this keystroke.

David Griffith.

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore

Sent: 07 March 2020 15:48

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

Yes, that does work.  Why I thought it did not work was because JAWS took a long time to reload.  Then again, it's JAWS.

 

Dan

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario

Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 7:49 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

Bill's right, the keystroke is insert+windows+f4 to unload and reload JAWS. did you try it Dan?

 

 

-------- Original Message --------

From: Dan Longmore [mailto:danlongmore44@...]

To: <main@jfw.groups.io>

Date: Friday, March 6, 2020, 7:18 PM

Subject: unload and reload Jaws?

No, this combination quits JAWS and dumps from memory but a manual re start from shortcut key or other options is required.

 

Dan

 

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Bill White

*Sent:* Friday, March 6, 2020 7:13 PM

*To:* main@jfw.groups.io

*Subject:* Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

Hi, David. Try the following keystroke to unload and reload JAWS:

 

JAWS key plus WinKey plus F4.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@... <mailto:billwhite92701@...>

 

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *David Griffith

*Sent:* Friday, March 6, 2020 4:01 PM

*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

*Subject:* Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

Not here.

 

I have ben using Jaws since 1999 and in all this time this keystroke  on my systems only unloads Jaws but does not restart it.

 

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

 

*From: *netbat66 <mailto:netbat66@...>

*Sent: *06 March 2020 23:54

*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

*Subject: *Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

jaws already has this option.

 

press the jaws key and f4. this will unload and reload it.

 

-----Original Message-----

 

From: David Griffith

 

Sent: Friday, March 06, 2020 3:42 PM

 

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

 

Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

Personally as   a feature request I would prefer that Jaws has the same

 

behaviour as NVDA. That is, with NVDA running pressing control alt and N will

 

close and restart NVDA in one operation without any further intervention. Jaws

 

should do the same thing  with control alt J.

 

This NVDA feature is very useful if for any reason NVDA has stalled or speech

 

has been lost. It clears up these problems quickly and nicely as NVDA instantly

 

restarts itself with this forced restart.

 

In contrast if Jaws stalls you have to first of all try and shut it down and

 

then try to re-load it. The exception to this is if Jaws itself recognises that

 

it has crashed in which case it will sometimes restart itself  without any

 

intervention from the user. The drawback  it that it normally takes quite a

 

time to come to this conclusion.

 

Shutting down Jaws within one session in these circumstances is also not always

 

straightforward. Occasionally I have ended up with multiple Jaws icons on my

 

system tray as previous version have clearly failed to completely unload, even

 

though only one instance of Jaws is talking.

 

A computer restart is normally required to remove these multiple ghost

 

instances of Jaws.

 

I would much prefer NVDA’s  one shortcut approach  which in my experience never

 

results in multiple versions of NVDA trying to run in the background.

 

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: ben

 

Sent: 06 March 2020 22:56

 

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

 

Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

Hi,

 

The two ways I restart JAWS are as follows:

 

One, press the Windows key and the letter r to bring up the run box. Type

 

jaws2020 and press enter. JAWS should come up talking.

 

Two, press the windows key and the letter m to bring up the desktop.

Press j

 

for JAWS and press enter. The only thing to remember with the desktop method is

 

if you have other things that start with j on your desktop, you might land on

 

one of those.

 

I hope this helps.

 

On Mar 6, 2020, at 2:59 PM, Andrew J. LaPointe <alapointe89@... <mailto:alapointe89@...>> wrote:

 



 

Hi, I was using qread and decided to unload jaws (jaws key f4.  When I wanted

 

to reload jaws, I used control alt and j and it didn’t work.  Is there a new

 

way of reloading Jaws now?  I am using the latest jaws 20.  What I had to do

 

was shut the computer and restart and Jaws loaded at startup.  Thank you for

 

your help.  Also, I am most likely getting a used Romeo Printer at Humanware.

 

Thanks to everyone that helped me sort all this…you are all great!!

Andy and

 

Shubert

 

Andrew J. LaPointe, President

 

Friends of the Salem Council on Aging

 

34 Raymond Ave.

 

Salem, MA. 01970

 

Home: 978-745-4289 cell: 978-578-0185

 

Editor, Commission Commuter Update and the Safe Disabled Traveler Notebook

 

Talking Information Center

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


moderated Re: JAWS spell

Don Walls
 

Thank you, Joe.  With JAWS 2020 I found what I needed in text processing in the settings centre.
 
Don
 

From: Joe
Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020 7:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS spell
 

Hi,

You are in the right area with Setting Center.

  1. Open Word.
  2. Go to the Jaws Manager.
  3. Navigate to the Settings Center
  4. In the Search box type “Spelling”
  5. One of the results will be Detect Spelling while navigating
  6. There will be several options one of which is none.

I did not get too specific about how to use items such as Settings Center. If you need more instruction please let me know.

Hope this helps,

Picture of Owl with Mortar Board and Computer

Dr. Joe L. Todd CVRT

                Phone: 616.951.2142

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Walls
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 6:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS spell

 

Well friends, I’m having an interesting week – moved from a “dumb” phone to my first IPhone and also updated from JAWS 17 to JAWS 2020.  My new JAWS tells me I have “misspelling” on various words – probably American rather than my Canadian spelling.  I’ve gone to the settings centre but can’t find where to silence such prompts and sound effects.  Any help gratefully received!

 

Don


moderated Re: unload and reload Jaws?

Tim Ford
 

If you enable the insert key sticky mode, it will make this easy as pie, you need only press and release the insert/JAWS key, then press/hold the windows key and tap F4.   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020 3:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

Maybe you should try doing it with Narrator enable and not enabled to see if that also makes a difference.

 

I am trying it out myself but on my mechanical keyboard  windows insert and F4 is quite a finger stretch.

 

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Tim Ford
Sent: 07 March 2020 22:12
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

Interesting, I just tried it again, this time counting, and it took around 8 seconds total from the time I pressed the key command to when JAWS started up again.  That is quite a wide difference.   

 

Tim

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020 2:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

I just tried this and it took about 25 seconds for JAWS to start back up.

----- Original Message -----

From: Tim Ford

Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020 4:41 PM

Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

I just tried the jaws + windows key + F4, and it works well.  It does not give you the usual screen when exiting JAWS, which was at first confusing because it takes 5-10 seconds before speech stops.  JAWS then restarts very quickly, much faster than usual when starting JAWS, maybe 3 seconds or so.  I like it!

 

Tim Ford

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Melissa Stott via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020 1:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

The Control Alt J still works for me when I want to load Jaws.  However, I have noticed when pressing Insert Windows J, it hesitates to reload.  Sometimes, it doesn’t reload.

 

                .                               Melissa

 

From: JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020 2:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

Have actually noticed this as well, oddly enough...

Must have something to do with accessibility api (if that's the correct terminology) becoming frozen for one reason or another. Would be  interesting to see if someone can verify this and provide a more technical explanation.

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith

Sent: March 7, 2020 1:34 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

I really think you may have hit upon something  here.

I too have noticed that when Jaws becomes unresponsive if I turn on Narrator  then pretty quickly Jaws comes back to life and starts talking as well, whereupon  I can turn Narrator off again.

 

This can happen for example if I am using Mp3Gain to increase the volume of a large number of mp3 files. This is an activity which Jaws does not seem to like and can often become unresponsive during the process.

 

I had put this apparent ability to unlock Jaws using Narrator down to coincidence  but given  your experience also there may be something happening when turning Narrator  on which is, behind the scenes, unlocking  some kind of log jam in Jaws.

 

David Griffith

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt

Sent: 07 March 2020 16:09

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

I find this key combo works much more slowly in JAWS 2020 than in previous versions. The funny thing is that lately I've found a way to get JAWS to reload more quickly is to start Narrator with control-windows key-enter. For some reason, this seems to inspire JAWS also to load, at which point I toggle Narrator off with the same keystroke. I haven't read about this workaround anywhere. I just noticed it happening once, and then it happened several times after that. Probably not consistent.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith

Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020 11:04 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

 

I have just tried it and yes it does work so thanks for the information.

Unfortunately, as you say it is very slow compared to the equivalent in NVDA but it is still a good option to use when Jaws starts to struggle. I will experiment and try it out over the next few weeks.

Thanks again to Bill for  this keystroke.

David Griffith.

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore

Sent: 07 March 2020 15:48

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

Yes, that does work.  Why I thought it did not work was because JAWS took a long time to reload.  Then again, it's JAWS.

 

Dan

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario

Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 7:49 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

Bill's right, the keystroke is insert+windows+f4 to unload and reload JAWS. did you try it Dan?

 

 

-------- Original Message --------

From: Dan Longmore [mailto:danlongmore44@...]

To: <main@jfw.groups.io>

Date: Friday, March 6, 2020, 7:18 PM

Subject: unload and reload Jaws?

No, this combination quits JAWS and dumps from memory but a manual re start from shortcut key or other options is required.

 

Dan

 

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Bill White

*Sent:* Friday, March 6, 2020 7:13 PM

*To:* main@jfw.groups.io

*Subject:* Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

Hi, David. Try the following keystroke to unload and reload JAWS:

 

JAWS key plus WinKey plus F4.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@... <mailto:billwhite92701@...>

 

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *David Griffith

*Sent:* Friday, March 6, 2020 4:01 PM

*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

*Subject:* Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

Not here.

 

I have ben using Jaws since 1999 and in all this time this keystroke  on my systems only unloads Jaws but does not restart it.

 

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

 

*From: *netbat66 <mailto:netbat66@...>

*Sent: *06 March 2020 23:54

*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

*Subject: *Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

jaws already has this option.

 

press the jaws key and f4. this will unload and reload it.

 

-----Original Message-----

 

From: David Griffith

 

Sent: Friday, March 06, 2020 3:42 PM

 

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

 

Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

Personally as   a feature request I would prefer that Jaws has the same

 

behaviour as NVDA. That is, with NVDA running pressing control alt and N will

 

close and restart NVDA in one operation without any further intervention. Jaws

 

should do the same thing  with control alt J.

 

This NVDA feature is very useful if for any reason NVDA has stalled or speech

 

has been lost. It clears up these problems quickly and nicely as NVDA instantly

 

restarts itself with this forced restart.

 

In contrast if Jaws stalls you have to first of all try and shut it down and

 

then try to re-load it. The exception to this is if Jaws itself recognises that

 

it has crashed in which case it will sometimes restart itself  without any

 

intervention from the user. The drawback  it that it normally takes quite a

 

time to come to this conclusion.

 

Shutting down Jaws within one session in these circumstances is also not always

 

straightforward. Occasionally I have ended up with multiple Jaws icons on my

 

system tray as previous version have clearly failed to completely unload, even

 

though only one instance of Jaws is talking.

 

A computer restart is normally required to remove these multiple ghost

 

instances of Jaws.

 

I would much prefer NVDA’s  one shortcut approach  which in my experience never

 

results in multiple versions of NVDA trying to run in the background.

 

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: ben

 

Sent: 06 March 2020 22:56

 

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

 

Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

Hi,

 

The two ways I restart JAWS are as follows:

 

One, press the Windows key and the letter r to bring up the run box. Type

 

jaws2020 and press enter. JAWS should come up talking.

 

Two, press the windows key and the letter m to bring up the desktop.

Press j

 

for JAWS and press enter. The only thing to remember with the desktop method is

 

if you have other things that start with j on your desktop, you might land on

 

one of those.

 

I hope this helps.

 

On Mar 6, 2020, at 2:59 PM, Andrew J. LaPointe <alapointe89@... <mailto:alapointe89@...>> wrote:

 



 

Hi, I was using qread and decided to unload jaws (jaws key f4.  When I wanted

 

to reload jaws, I used control alt and j and it didn’t work.  Is there a new

 

way of reloading Jaws now?  I am using the latest jaws 20.  What I had to do

 

was shut the computer and restart and Jaws loaded at startup.  Thank you for

 

your help.  Also, I am most likely getting a used Romeo Printer at Humanware.

 

Thanks to everyone that helped me sort all this…you are all great!!

Andy and

 

Shubert

 

Andrew J. LaPointe, President

 

Friends of the Salem Council on Aging

 

34 Raymond Ave.

 

Salem, MA. 01970

 

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moderated Re: unload and reload Jaws?

David Griffith
 

Maybe you should try doing it with Narrator enable and not enabled to see if that also makes a difference.

 

I am trying it out myself but on my mechanical keyboard  windows insert and F4 is quite a finger stretch.

 

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Tim Ford
Sent: 07 March 2020 22:12
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

Interesting, I just tried it again, this time counting, and it took around 8 seconds total from the time I pressed the key command to when JAWS started up again.  That is quite a wide difference.   

 

Tim

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020 2:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

I just tried this and it took about 25 seconds for JAWS to start back up.

----- Original Message -----

From: Tim Ford

Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020 4:41 PM

Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

I just tried the jaws + windows key + F4, and it works well.  It does not give you the usual screen when exiting JAWS, which was at first confusing because it takes 5-10 seconds before speech stops.  JAWS then restarts very quickly, much faster than usual when starting JAWS, maybe 3 seconds or so.  I like it!

 

Tim Ford

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Melissa Stott via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020 1:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

The Control Alt J still works for me when I want to load Jaws.  However, I have noticed when pressing Insert Windows J, it hesitates to reload.  Sometimes, it doesn’t reload.

 

                .                               Melissa

 

From: JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020 2:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

Have actually noticed this as well, oddly enough...

Must have something to do with accessibility api (if that's the correct terminology) becoming frozen for one reason or another. Would be  interesting to see if someone can verify this and provide a more technical explanation.

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith

Sent: March 7, 2020 1:34 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

I really think you may have hit upon something  here.

I too have noticed that when Jaws becomes unresponsive if I turn on Narrator  then pretty quickly Jaws comes back to life and starts talking as well, whereupon  I can turn Narrator off again.

 

This can happen for example if I am using Mp3Gain to increase the volume of a large number of mp3 files. This is an activity which Jaws does not seem to like and can often become unresponsive during the process.

 

I had put this apparent ability to unlock Jaws using Narrator down to coincidence  but given  your experience also there may be something happening when turning Narrator  on which is, behind the scenes, unlocking  some kind of log jam in Jaws.

 

David Griffith

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt

Sent: 07 March 2020 16:09

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

I find this key combo works much more slowly in JAWS 2020 than in previous versions. The funny thing is that lately I've found a way to get JAWS to reload more quickly is to start Narrator with control-windows key-enter. For some reason, this seems to inspire JAWS also to load, at which point I toggle Narrator off with the same keystroke. I haven't read about this workaround anywhere. I just noticed it happening once, and then it happened several times after that. Probably not consistent.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith

Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020 11:04 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

 

I have just tried it and yes it does work so thanks for the information.

Unfortunately, as you say it is very slow compared to the equivalent in NVDA but it is still a good option to use when Jaws starts to struggle. I will experiment and try it out over the next few weeks.

Thanks again to Bill for  this keystroke.

David Griffith.

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore

Sent: 07 March 2020 15:48

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

Yes, that does work.  Why I thought it did not work was because JAWS took a long time to reload.  Then again, it's JAWS.

 

Dan

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario

Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 7:49 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

Bill's right, the keystroke is insert+windows+f4 to unload and reload JAWS. did you try it Dan?

 

 

-------- Original Message --------

From: Dan Longmore [mailto:danlongmore44@...]

To: <main@jfw.groups.io>

Date: Friday, March 6, 2020, 7:18 PM

Subject: unload and reload Jaws?

No, this combination quits JAWS and dumps from memory but a manual re start from shortcut key or other options is required.

 

Dan

 

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Bill White

*Sent:* Friday, March 6, 2020 7:13 PM

*To:* main@jfw.groups.io

*Subject:* Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

Hi, David. Try the following keystroke to unload and reload JAWS:

 

JAWS key plus WinKey plus F4.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@... <mailto:billwhite92701@...>

 

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *David Griffith

*Sent:* Friday, March 6, 2020 4:01 PM

*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

*Subject:* Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

Not here.

 

I have ben using Jaws since 1999 and in all this time this keystroke  on my systems only unloads Jaws but does not restart it.

 

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

 

*From: *netbat66 <mailto:netbat66@...>

*Sent: *06 March 2020 23:54

*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

*Subject: *Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

jaws already has this option.

 

press the jaws key and f4. this will unload and reload it.

 

-----Original Message-----

 

From: David Griffith

 

Sent: Friday, March 06, 2020 3:42 PM

 

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

 

Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

Personally as   a feature request I would prefer that Jaws has the same

 

behaviour as NVDA. That is, with NVDA running pressing control alt and N will

 

close and restart NVDA in one operation without any further intervention. Jaws

 

should do the same thing  with control alt J.

 

This NVDA feature is very useful if for any reason NVDA has stalled or speech

 

has been lost. It clears up these problems quickly and nicely as NVDA instantly

 

restarts itself with this forced restart.

 

In contrast if Jaws stalls you have to first of all try and shut it down and

 

then try to re-load it. The exception to this is if Jaws itself recognises that

 

it has crashed in which case it will sometimes restart itself  without any

 

intervention from the user. The drawback  it that it normally takes quite a

 

time to come to this conclusion.

 

Shutting down Jaws within one session in these circumstances is also not always

 

straightforward. Occasionally I have ended up with multiple Jaws icons on my

 

system tray as previous version have clearly failed to completely unload, even

 

though only one instance of Jaws is talking.

 

A computer restart is normally required to remove these multiple ghost

 

instances of Jaws.

 

I would much prefer NVDA’s  one shortcut approach  which in my experience never

 

results in multiple versions of NVDA trying to run in the background.

 

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: ben

 

Sent: 06 March 2020 22:56

 

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

 

Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

Hi,

 

The two ways I restart JAWS are as follows:

 

One, press the Windows key and the letter r to bring up the run box. Type

 

jaws2020 and press enter. JAWS should come up talking.

 

Two, press the windows key and the letter m to bring up the desktop.

Press j

 

for JAWS and press enter. The only thing to remember with the desktop method is

 

if you have other things that start with j on your desktop, you might land on

 

one of those.

 

I hope this helps.

 

On Mar 6, 2020, at 2:59 PM, Andrew J. LaPointe <alapointe89@... <mailto:alapointe89@...>> wrote:

 



 

Hi, I was using qread and decided to unload jaws (jaws key f4.  When I wanted

 

to reload jaws, I used control alt and j and it didn’t work.  Is there a new

 

way of reloading Jaws now?  I am using the latest jaws 20.  What I had to do

 

was shut the computer and restart and Jaws loaded at startup.  Thank you for

 

your help.  Also, I am most likely getting a used Romeo Printer at Humanware.

 

Thanks to everyone that helped me sort all this…you are all great!!

Andy and

 

Shubert

 

Andrew J. LaPointe, President

 

Friends of the Salem Council on Aging

 

34 Raymond Ave.

 

Salem, MA. 01970

 

Home: 978-745-4289 cell: 978-578-0185

 

Editor, Commission Commuter Update and the Safe Disabled Traveler Notebook

 

Talking Information Center

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


moderated Re: Finding the ip addresss of a computer?

Arkadiusz Świętnicki
 

She wants the remote desktop, not the file server lol.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020 8:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Finding the ip addresss of a computer?

 

You need a lot more than just the IP address.

 

1. In order to access anything on a computer, you need a file server of some kind--FTP, http, etc.

 

2. In order to make a file server work, you need two addresses--that of the computer itself, and that of the router to which said computer is connected.

 

2.1. To get the address of the computer on which the server is running, do the following:

2.1.1. Open the Windows Start menu by tapping the Windows Key.

2.1.2. In the search field, type cmd. Hear Windows say "Command prompt ..." etc. Press ENTER.

2.1.3. At the prompt, type "ipconfig" and press ENTER.

2.1.4. Use the JAWS Cursor and move through the screen contents until you find something that sounds similar to this:

 

   IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.140

 

Whatever you find that closely resembles the above, that's your computer's address. Make a note of it.

 

2.1.5 type EXIT and press ENTER to close the Command Prompt window.

2.2. To find the address of the great unwashed Internet on which your router sits, go to http://www.whatismyip.com and look for something on the screen that sounds like this:

 

My Public IPv4 is: blah.blah.blah.blah

 

The numbers you hear, sepearted by periods, are your external wide-area network (WAN) address. Make a note of it.

 

Now for the hard part.

 

3. Using your router's address, which you can find by searching the screen you got in step 1 and looking for the string "Gateway," log into your router' administrative/maintenance account  and set up a forwarded port to the computer who's address you discovered in Step 2.1 above. The port number you will forward depends upon the kind of server you've set up. Secure FTP is port 22; https is port 443. How to accomplish logging into your router and setting up a forwarded port is beyond the scope of this mesage, mostly since all router manufacturers have different ways of doing it.

 

You're all set now. You can set up your internal file server to give you access to anything on your home system.

 

Note that some network-attached storage devices offer this ability in a nice, pre-packaged application which is a lot easier to set up than what I just described, except for the port forwarding part. That one's  a necessary evil unfortunately.

 

On 3/6/2020 10:39 AM, Jessica D wrote:

Hi,

I have a computer that’s running windows 10 pro, with jaws 2020.

I’d like to be a able to access this computer remotely.

 

In order to do this, I need the IP Address.

To find it, I have to access a toolbar.

 

How would I go about doing that with jaws?

 

Thanks,

 

Jessica

 


moderated Re: unload and reload Jaws?

Tim Ford
 

Interesting, I just tried it again, this time counting, and it took around 8 seconds total from the time I pressed the key command to when JAWS started up again.  That is quite a wide difference.   

 

Tim

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020 2:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

I just tried this and it took about 25 seconds for JAWS to start back up.

----- Original Message -----

From: Tim Ford

Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020 4:41 PM

Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

I just tried the jaws + windows key + F4, and it works well.  It does not give you the usual screen when exiting JAWS, which was at first confusing because it takes 5-10 seconds before speech stops.  JAWS then restarts very quickly, much faster than usual when starting JAWS, maybe 3 seconds or so.  I like it!

 

Tim Ford

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Melissa Stott via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020 1:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

The Control Alt J still works for me when I want to load Jaws.  However, I have noticed when pressing Insert Windows J, it hesitates to reload.  Sometimes, it doesn’t reload.

 

                .                               Melissa

 

From: JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020 2:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

Have actually noticed this as well, oddly enough...

Must have something to do with accessibility api (if that's the correct terminology) becoming frozen for one reason or another. Would be  interesting to see if someone can verify this and provide a more technical explanation.

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith

Sent: March 7, 2020 1:34 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

I really think you may have hit upon something  here.

I too have noticed that when Jaws becomes unresponsive if I turn on Narrator  then pretty quickly Jaws comes back to life and starts talking as well, whereupon  I can turn Narrator off again.

 

This can happen for example if I am using Mp3Gain to increase the volume of a large number of mp3 files. This is an activity which Jaws does not seem to like and can often become unresponsive during the process.

 

I had put this apparent ability to unlock Jaws using Narrator down to coincidence  but given  your experience also there may be something happening when turning Narrator  on which is, behind the scenes, unlocking  some kind of log jam in Jaws.

 

David Griffith

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt

Sent: 07 March 2020 16:09

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

I find this key combo works much more slowly in JAWS 2020 than in previous versions. The funny thing is that lately I've found a way to get JAWS to reload more quickly is to start Narrator with control-windows key-enter. For some reason, this seems to inspire JAWS also to load, at which point I toggle Narrator off with the same keystroke. I haven't read about this workaround anywhere. I just noticed it happening once, and then it happened several times after that. Probably not consistent.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith

Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020 11:04 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

 

I have just tried it and yes it does work so thanks for the information.

Unfortunately, as you say it is very slow compared to the equivalent in NVDA but it is still a good option to use when Jaws starts to struggle. I will experiment and try it out over the next few weeks.

Thanks again to Bill for  this keystroke.

David Griffith.

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore

Sent: 07 March 2020 15:48

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

Yes, that does work.  Why I thought it did not work was because JAWS took a long time to reload.  Then again, it's JAWS.

 

Dan

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario

Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 7:49 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

Bill's right, the keystroke is insert+windows+f4 to unload and reload JAWS. did you try it Dan?

 

 

-------- Original Message --------

From: Dan Longmore [mailto:danlongmore44@...]

To: <main@jfw.groups.io>

Date: Friday, March 6, 2020, 7:18 PM

Subject: unload and reload Jaws?

No, this combination quits JAWS and dumps from memory but a manual re start from shortcut key or other options is required.

 

Dan

 

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Bill White

*Sent:* Friday, March 6, 2020 7:13 PM

*To:* main@jfw.groups.io

*Subject:* Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

Hi, David. Try the following keystroke to unload and reload JAWS:

 

JAWS key plus WinKey plus F4.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@... <mailto:billwhite92701@...>

 

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *David Griffith

*Sent:* Friday, March 6, 2020 4:01 PM

*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

*Subject:* Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

Not here.

 

I have ben using Jaws since 1999 and in all this time this keystroke  on my systems only unloads Jaws but does not restart it.

 

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

 

*From: *netbat66 <mailto:netbat66@...>

*Sent: *06 March 2020 23:54

*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

*Subject: *Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

jaws already has this option.

 

press the jaws key and f4. this will unload and reload it.

 

-----Original Message-----

 

From: David Griffith

 

Sent: Friday, March 06, 2020 3:42 PM

 

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

 

Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

Personally as   a feature request I would prefer that Jaws has the same

 

behaviour as NVDA. That is, with NVDA running pressing control alt and N will

 

close and restart NVDA in one operation without any further intervention. Jaws

 

should do the same thing  with control alt J.

 

This NVDA feature is very useful if for any reason NVDA has stalled or speech

 

has been lost. It clears up these problems quickly and nicely as NVDA instantly

 

restarts itself with this forced restart.

 

In contrast if Jaws stalls you have to first of all try and shut it down and

 

then try to re-load it. The exception to this is if Jaws itself recognises that

 

it has crashed in which case it will sometimes restart itself  without any

 

intervention from the user. The drawback  it that it normally takes quite a

 

time to come to this conclusion.

 

Shutting down Jaws within one session in these circumstances is also not always

 

straightforward. Occasionally I have ended up with multiple Jaws icons on my

 

system tray as previous version have clearly failed to completely unload, even

 

though only one instance of Jaws is talking.

 

A computer restart is normally required to remove these multiple ghost

 

instances of Jaws.

 

I would much prefer NVDA’s  one shortcut approach  which in my experience never

 

results in multiple versions of NVDA trying to run in the background.

 

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: ben

 

Sent: 06 March 2020 22:56

 

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

 

Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

Hi,

 

The two ways I restart JAWS are as follows:

 

One, press the Windows key and the letter r to bring up the run box. Type

 

jaws2020 and press enter. JAWS should come up talking.

 

Two, press the windows key and the letter m to bring up the desktop.

Press j

 

for JAWS and press enter. The only thing to remember with the desktop method is

 

if you have other things that start with j on your desktop, you might land on

 

one of those.

 

I hope this helps.

 

On Mar 6, 2020, at 2:59 PM, Andrew J. LaPointe <alapointe89@... <mailto:alapointe89@...>> wrote:

 



 

Hi, I was using qread and decided to unload jaws (jaws key f4.  When I wanted

 

to reload jaws, I used control alt and j and it didn’t work.  Is there a new

 

way of reloading Jaws now?  I am using the latest jaws 20.  What I had to do

 

was shut the computer and restart and Jaws loaded at startup.  Thank you for

 

your help.  Also, I am most likely getting a used Romeo Printer at Humanware.

 

Thanks to everyone that helped me sort all this…you are all great!!

Andy and

 

Shubert

 

Andrew J. LaPointe, President

 

Friends of the Salem Council on Aging

 

34 Raymond Ave.

 

Salem, MA. 01970

 

Home: 978-745-4289 cell: 978-578-0185

 

Editor, Commission Commuter Update and the Safe Disabled Traveler Notebook

 

Talking Information Center