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A Demo of Leasey: All Are Welcome; Friday, March 13 at 8:00 PM Eastern from the Philadelphia Computer Users Group for the Blind and Visually Impaired
David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
Meeting Topic: a Demo of the Leasey Software Group: the Philadelphia Computer Users Group for the Blind and Visually Impaired Date: Friday, March 13, 2020 Time: 8:00 PM Eastern
IntroductionIf you’ve been a user of the JAWS screen reader for even a short time you know that it’s rich in features and capabilities and possesses an impressive array of configuration options. However, as powerful as JAWS may be there is a third party program which you can add to your existing copy of JAWS which offers even more tools and capabilities to make using JAWS even easier. Many of these features will allow you to more easily complete tasks and will definitely increase your productivity. Meet Leasey, which I will be demonstrating during the next phone meeting of the Philadelphia Computer Users Group for the Blind and Visually Impaired. Leasey is a program written by Hartgen Consultancy. It consists of over 50 separate features but it can be broken down into two components, which are Leasey Basic and Leasey Advanced. Leasey BasicLeasey Basic consists of a menu-driven interface to access the programs and functions of your computer. Instead of dealing with the start menu and the desktop pressing a single key opens the Leasey Main Menu, which contains options such as Write a Document or Letter, Check Your Email, Surf the Internet, etc. Pressing enter on any of these options opens a submenu with even more options. Leasey Basic also contains context-sensitive help which provides information on where you are on the computer and what you can do. These menus and help screens are spoken by a friendly, female human voice known as Leasey. This can help users who are new to the computer to slowly transition not only to using synthesized speech but in using their computer. Leasey Basic is ideal for new or novice users, users with cognitive disabilities or those who want a friendly, consistent way to access their computer. Leasey AdvancedSome readers who are more experienced users may be wondering if Leasey has any features which are relevant to them. This is where Leasey Advanced comes in and will be featured during the bulk of our upcoming demo. Leasey Advanced contains so many features that we won’t be able to show you all of them in the time allotted. However, here are some of the features which we’ll be demonstrating. · Leasey Clips. This allows you to store up to twelve separate blocks of text into clipboard-like areas which can then be pasted in a document. These text blocks are preserved even after restarting your computer. · Leasey Texts. You can store an unlimited list of text blocks, such as names, addresses, signatures, etc. These blocks of text can be named using a title of the user’s choosing and can be recalled from a list. Optionally, you can use an abbreviation to paste a block of text, such as typing “addr” to paste an address. · Leasey Select. Easily select text by using intuitive hotkeys to mark the beginning and end of the block. There’s even a way to mark the end of a block of text and then have that text copied to the clipboard. · Leasey Search. Search for information from a variety of sources no matter where you located. Examples include Google, the NLS catalog and databases to look up information about music or TV shows. · In Microsoft Word press hotkeys to move the cursor to the next or previous spelling error as well as to the next or previous grammatical error without the need to toggle the virtual cursor. · A simpler interface to Word’s spell checker. · How to quickly unprotect a Word file · How to obtain help on accessing All Leasey commands and to remind yourself and/or to learn Leasey keystrokes Following the demo we’ll be happy to answer questions from participants. How to ParticipateYou can join our meeting using Zoom by opening the following link.
Meeting ID: 356 585 7579
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-- David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019 WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
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Re: Is it worth certifying in JAWS?
Abraham Sweiss
If your role will be to train others to use jaws, working in the rehabilitation industry or will be writing jaws Scripps certification may be helpful, however in other industries not sure how useful it would be.
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Thanks,abraham
On Mar 8, 2020, at 11:43 AM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki <nuno69a@...> wrote:
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FW: IPEVO VZ-X Doc Cam: A Stealth Video Magnifier From Access World
Richard Turner
I know there are a lot of low-vision users on this list. If you are not a reader of the Access World from American Foundation for the Blind, you may have missed this.
Text follows the link.
https://www.afb.org/aw/21/2/16908
IPEVO VZ-X Doc Cam: A Stealth Video Magnifier main region article Steve Kelley Some of us have been looking for alternatives to desktop video magnifiers for years. They can be expensive, take up a lot of room on your desk, and most models aren’t very portable. Many of us have different tricks we’ve tried with our tablets, phones, Web cameras, and computers to cobble together a video magnifier that is cheaper, more portable, or more flexible, with somewhat limited success. Without targeting the low vision video magnifier market per se, a document camera manufacturer, IPEVO has developed a model, the VZ-X, that looks like it was developed specifically for use as a low vision device! Imagine for a moment a stand-mounted camera that weighs less than 3 pounds, can connect to virtually any display, and has many of the controls you’d expect to find on a video magnifier built right into the stand. The VZ-X Stand The VZ-X is a stand-mounted camera that can connect to an HD monitor, computer, tablet, or phone, using a USB cable (provided), HDMI cable (not provided), or WiFi. Several features immediately stand out about the design of the stand. The stand weighs about 2.6 pounds, and much of the weight is in the circular base. The base is about 4.5 inches across and holds a battery which will power the unit for 9 hours. Because of the weighted base, this stand sits solidly on the desk—no tipping. The stand is 12.7 inches tall and has an arm that folds out and up with a camera on the end. Everything about the stand feels solid and durable. The camera housing is also jointed so it folds up and down and left to right. The flexibility of the camera makes it very versatile for tasks other than document viewing. The VZ-X camera is an 8-megapixel HD camera that can also be used for capturing video as well, with a resolution of 3264 x 2448 when connected to the USB cable. The images from the camera are sharp, focus quickly in autofocus, and there is minimal lag time when moving printed text beneath the camera. Controlling the VZ-X One of the really unique features of the VZ-X is that at its most basic, it can be plugged into an HD monitor or TV using an HDMI cable, turned on, and used with just the controls on the camera arm. IPEVO offers free downloadable software called Visualizer, available for Windows, Mac, iOS, and Android, which has additional features, but is not necessary to use the camera. Nearly all of the basic controls are on the lower arm of the stand, as well as USB and HDMI input. The controls are labeled in high contrast white-on-blue, but in small print. The buttons, however, are each slightly different to the touch, so between their location on the arm and the feel of the button, after a short period of time it's easy to find the right button for the control you want. Starting at the bottom and going up the stand, users will find the following controls: list of 13 items • Power button clicks up and down. • Focus/Auto Focus button is slightly elevated. By default, the focus is set to continuous automatic. A single press of the button will refocus the camera, and a longer press will unlock the continuous auto focus. • Exp- will decrease the exposure if the image appears too bright. • Exp+ will increase the exposure if the image appears too dark. (Note that these exposure settings can make a significant difference in image contrast and quality). • Zoom Out designated with a recessed button. Each push of the button decreases the magnification of the image. • Zoom In designated with an elevated button. Each push of the button increases the magnification of the image. • Rotate by 90 degrees with each press of the button. • Filter, often called the “Mode” on video magnifiers, which changes the foreground and background setting. For example, the image of black text on white paper might be filtered so that the text is white on a black background. (Note that when used with the Visualizer software there are more filter options than those available when using just the hardware controls connected to an HD monitor or TV). • Light button turns on an LED light in the camera housing. • Above the light button is an LED indicator light that appears green when the unit is powered on, amber when connected by WiFi, and white when in use and an image is being provided. • Above the LED light is a small microphone that can be used for other Web camera functions. • Opposite these controls, on the other side of the stand, are the HDMI and micro-USB inputs, a frequency toggle from 50 Hz to 60 Hz (60 Hz is what is commonly used in the U.S), and a toggle for the input mode, WiFi or USB/HDMI. • There are two additional controls found on the base of the stand, an Action button and battery indicator button. The Action button works with the visualizer software when connected by WiFi or USB. When connected to an iPad running Visualizer, for example, this will take a picture of the image. When the battery indicator button is pressed, as many as 5 LED indicator lights will shine to indicate remaining battery level. list end VZ-X on HDTV or HD Monitor The simplest way to use the VZ-X is to connect it to an HDTV or HD Monitor using an HDMI cable you’ll need to purchase separately. Use the TV menu to change to HDMI input, connect the VZ-X to the monitor, and turn both on. Place an object or printed text beneath the camera, and it will be projected on the monitor. Use the camera arm to raise and lower the camera on the document or object you’re looking at, and the zoom buttons to get it to a magnification level you want. Cycle through the filters by pressing the filter button to find the right one for you. Be sure to experiment with the exposure buttons to adjust the brightness of the image. VZ-X Stand Filters One of the most useful features on the VZ-X, in addition to the screen magnification using the Zoom buttons, is the filter option for images on the screen. Like a standard video magnifier, for many users this may make reading easier by changing the foreground and background colors to eliminate glare and increase contrast. The VZ-X offers several filters to choose from, just using the button on the stand. By default, the initial filter is full color filter when it first comes on, and pressing the filter button will cycle through the following filters: list of 6 items • inverted color • yellow foreground on black background (so printed text will appear as yellow text on a black background) • black and white • white foreground on a black background • black foreground on a yellow background • return to the full color mode list end When the VZ-X is connected to a computer, tablet, or phone running the Visualizer software, there are additional filter options through the software. For example, the software contains a filter that changes black text on a white background into red text on a black background. VZ-X Connected to USB or WiFi The VZ-X camera will connect to a computer using the USB cable provided or WiFi. Tablets and smartphone connection is primarily WiFi. To connect by WiFi, power on the camera and make sure the input mode button is toggled to WiFi. The camera will then appear in the WiFi options on your device as an open source. During this review, the VZ-X connected quickly to both a Windows PC and iOS iPad. When connected to the Windows 10 computer, the VZ-X worked with other software, like the Windows Camera App, Office Lens, and even ZoomText. In these apps, the VZ-X worked with the software controls available in the various software applications and the hardware controls on the stand. For example, in the Windows Camera App, there are no software controls for magnification or color filters, but both could be used from the VZ-X’s buttons. With ZoomText, the camera image responded to the built-in ZoomText commands of up and down keyboard arrows to increase and decrease magnification, as well as the VZ-X’s buttons. Just using the Windows Camera app, it was clear how useful this might be for taking notes from a printed document. The magnified camera image of the text could be open in one window while the word processor was open in another, with the user tabbing between the two, without the need for a second monitor, as you might have with a more conventional desktop magnifier setup. IPEVO Visualizer Software To take full advantage of all the features of the VZ-X when connected to a computer, tablet, or phone, IPEVO offers a free application, called Visualizer, available for Windows, Mac, iOS and Android. The Visualizer software is full of features that are useful for low vision video magnification as well as document capture and presentation. Most notable among these features for the low vision user are the Zoom and Filter options that appear on the left as a sidebar menu. With the Zoom button, you can more precisely designate a specific magnification power from 1X-12X. It’s worth noting here that each time the hardware button on the stand is depressed for Zoom In or Zoom Out, it also increases or decreases magnification by 1X, to a maximum of 12X. As mentioned earlier, the filter options in the Visualizer software are greater than those available through the hardware buttons on the stand. The Filter software button includes 12 modes: list of 11 items • no filter (full color) • inverted color • black and white • inverted black and white • grayscale • sepia • white on blue • yellow on blue • red on black • sketch • outline list end Both “sketch” and “outline” appear more as filters that might be used during presentations. Another great feature available on the Mac and Windows version of the Visualizer software is the Masking feature in the Reading Aids. This opens from the icon shaped like a book in the bottom right of the application window. With masking a translucent line can be used to highlight text in a line across the page or all text can be covered on the page except for a line or two. This can be a very helpful feature for some readers that is not always found on more standard video magnifiers. The Visualizer software also will capture both photo and video images, freeze an image, and add display features like a vertical or horizontal line, or a grid pattern, which may be very helpful for reading on the display. For reading, one of the interesting features observed on the iPad Visualizer was that when the image was magnified, dragging a finger across the screen would move you to other parts of the image. So, the camera could be positioned to include a page or column within the window. The image can be magnified using either the zoom control on the stand or within the software, and then dragging a finger across the iPad screen acted nearly as efficiently as using a standard XY table on a desktop video magnifier to reposition the magnified document. Text-to-Speech on the VZ-X Text-to-speech (TTS) is built into the Visualizer software. Take a picture of the document, select the image in the bottom left corner of the application and the image opens with several menu options in the top right corner including TTS. Select the TTS icon (a megaphone over document) and the image opens on the left side of a split screen, with the converted text on the right side, after processing. Press the play button to hear the text read out loud. Text recognition was quite accurate, and processing took only a second or two. TTS is also available with other applications, using the VZ-X as the camera. In Office Lens, for example, the text recognition was very accurate when converting a page of serif type from an older printed book. VZ-X Accessibility After reading above that the VZ-X buttons are also differentiated with tactile differences, it will come as no surprise to learn that the Visualizer software, at least the version for iOS, worked very well with VoiceOver. One menu button was labeled as “button,” but all the others used during the testing were labeled correctly. Available on the IPEVO website are “Voluntary Product Accessibility Templates” for both the camera and Visualizer software. These are located beneath the Support tab and were assessed by third party vendor, Accessibility Partners, LLC. Both reports demonstrated how hardware and software stacked up to the various accessibility and usability standards. Bravo! Wouldn’t it be great if more manufacturers did this? VZ-X vs. Desktop Video Magnifier At $299 retail, the IPEVO VZ-X costs less than most handheld video magnifiers, and far less than standard desktop models. When connected to an HD monitor or HDTV, it has many of the standard features for magnification and color modes you’d expect on a video magnifier. The one notable exception being that you will find some desktop video magnifiers offer screen magnification as much as 70X, while the VZ-X offers a maximum of only 12X. If most of your reading is from printed book or magazines, you may really miss the XY table that many desktop units come with, but the total flexibility offered with the VZ-X, in terms of the devices it can be used with and the portability, might outweigh that missing feature. The IPEVO VZ-X wasn’t designed as an alternative for a low vision video magnifier, but it packs enough features into both the hardware and software that it really is worth taking a look at if you’re looking for video magnification solutions. The bottom line is that the IPEVO VZ-X is a well-designed, sturdy document scanner with more than enough features to make it a serious contender in the low vision market, at a very reasonable price. Product Information Product: VZ-X Wireless, HDMI & USB 8MP Document Camera Manufacturer: IPEVO Price: $299 This article is made possible in part by generous funding from the James H. and Alice Teubert Charitable Trust, Huntington, West Virginia. Comment on this article.
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Is it worth certifying in JAWS?
Arkadiusz Świętnicki
Hello, I wanted to do a certificate in JAWS, but it is worth the trouble? Can I get some jobs with the cert if I am not in the U. S?
Pozdrawiam, Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno
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Re: Finding the ip addresss of a computer?
Arkadiusz Świętnicki
There is always a possibility that she can use UPNP if her router supports it.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2020 10:59 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Finding the ip addresss of a computer?
OK then, part of what I wrote is still valid--the port-forwarding part anyway.
On 3/7/2020 6:03 PM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki wrote:
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Re: Finding the ip addresss of a computer?
Steve Matzura
OK then, part of what I wrote is still valid--the port-forwarding part anyway.
On 3/7/2020 6:03 PM, Arkadiusz
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Re: Finding the ip addresss of a computer?
Steve Matzura
I already wrote how to do it.
On 3/6/2020 4:50 PM, Jessica D wrote:
Hi,
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Re: Creating website with JAWS
CathyAnne Murtha
Personally, I like having my own domain. I pay a yearly fee to Dreamhost to host my WordPress site. Dreamhost has a one-click WordPress install option. I have a new WordPress with JAWS for Windows book I just released. I’m not sure if I’m allowed to post a link but you can find it on my website and I provide complete support. Whatever you decide, I think you’ll love WordPress. CathyAnne --- CathyAnne Murtha Access Technology Institute www.blind.training cathy@... (520) 955-6611 CathyAnne Murtha CEO Access Technology Institute, LLC www.blind.training cathy@... Phone: (520) 955-6611
On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 6:07 PM -0700, "ann" <tate886@...> wrote:
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Hi,
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Is it necessary to use a paid Wordpress account or is creating free Wordpress sites just as accessible with Jaws? And any specific Wordpress book recommendations? Thanks, ~Ann
On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 08:03 PM, Richard B. McDonald wrote:
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Re: Creating website with JAWS
Richard B. McDonald
Hi Thabo!
I have used WordPress, Drupal and learned some HTML. For sure, WP is the best. Learning some HTML is helpful too, but not critical. Drupal seems to be more of an enterprise CMS. WP can do it all; accessibly too. Use its “classic editor.” Get a book on using WP from Bookshare.
HTH, Richard
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Thabo Baseki
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2020 6:55 AM To: jfw@groups.io Subject: Creating website with JAWS
Good day friends!
Thank you for adding me to the mailing list. This is my first post to the group, and I am excited, I can have my inquiries head.
I have never created a website before, and I want to learn how to do it. Where can I start? Is the place accessible with jars? Some people were telling me that I should use notepad, how is that effective?
Thank you for all the suggestions in advance!
Best regards
Thabo
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Re: Enabling Jaws to speak proofreading info
Norma A. Boge
Hi Adrian and Ann? Success! This was so much easier than I thought it would be. I was thinking I was really gonna have to get under the hood for this one. I have to tell you, though, that the first time I did alt+delete, it deleted the word. Then I tried it again, and Jaws said “PC cursor” and then gave me the info in inches, awesome! Thanks again, people. Cheers! Norma
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020 2:35 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Enabling Jaws to speak proofreading info
Norma,
Press alt-delete (on the six-pack, and maybe also the numpad) for JAWS to give you position details in inches. If it doesn’t speak in inches but center meters, post again because there’s a method to switch that I don’t recall at this moment.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Norma A. Boge
Hi everyone,
I’m using J2020 and Word 365. I need to know, in inches, where a line of text starts. For example, If a character were right in the center, Jaws should tell me 4.25”. And I also need the keystroke to read this info. Hope this makes sense. I’m sure I need to modify the Proofreading setting but haven’t spent a lot of time there so want to be precise in my changes.
Thanks, Norma
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Re: unload and reload Jaws?
David Griffith
Sounds great but how do you do this? If I enable Windows Sticky keys this does not seem to apply to the insert key – at least here. It affects keys like control and alt etc but definitely not the insert key. I tried searching under sticky and insert in Jaws settings but could not find anything here either to set up an insert sticky mode. David Griffith Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Tim Ford
Sent: 07 March 2020 23:30 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?
If you enable the insert key sticky mode, it will make this easy as pie, you need only press and release the insert/JAWS key, then press/hold the windows key and tap F4.
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Griffith
Maybe you should try doing it with Narrator enable and not enabled to see if that also makes a difference.
I am trying it out myself but on my mechanical keyboard windows insert and F4 is quite a finger stretch.
David Griffith
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From: Tim Ford
Interesting, I just tried it again, this time counting, and it took around 8 seconds total from the time I pressed the key command to when JAWS started up again. That is quite a wide difference.
Tim
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Loy
I just tried this and it took about 25 seconds for JAWS to start back up.
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Re: JAWS spell
Don Walls
Thank you, Joe. With JAWS 2020 I found what I needed in text
processing in the settings centre.
Don
From: Joe
Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020 7:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS spell Hi, You are in the right area with Setting Center.
I did not get too specific about how to use items such as Settings Center. If you need more instruction please let me know. Hope this helps, Picture of Owl with Mortar Board and Computer
Phone: 616.951.2142
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Don Walls
Well friends, I’m having an interesting week – moved from a “dumb” phone to my first IPhone and also updated from JAWS 17 to JAWS 2020. My new JAWS tells me I have “misspelling” on various words – probably American rather than my Canadian spelling. I’ve gone to the settings centre but can’t find where to silence such prompts and sound effects. Any help gratefully received!
Don
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Re: unload and reload Jaws?
Tim Ford
If you enable the insert key sticky mode, it will make this easy as pie, you need only press and release the insert/JAWS key, then press/hold the windows key and tap F4.
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020 3:14 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?
Maybe you should try doing it with Narrator enable and not enabled to see if that also makes a difference.
I am trying it out myself but on my mechanical keyboard windows insert and F4 is quite a finger stretch.
David Griffith
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From: Tim Ford
Interesting, I just tried it again, this time counting, and it took around 8 seconds total from the time I pressed the key command to when JAWS started up again. That is quite a wide difference.
Tim
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Loy
I just tried this and it took about 25 seconds for JAWS to start back up.
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Re: unload and reload Jaws?
David Griffith
Maybe you should try doing it with Narrator enable and not enabled to see if that also makes a difference.
I am trying it out myself but on my mechanical keyboard windows insert and F4 is quite a finger stretch.
David Griffith
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Tim Ford
Sent: 07 March 2020 22:12 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?
Interesting, I just tried it again, this time counting, and it took around 8 seconds total from the time I pressed the key command to when JAWS started up again. That is quite a wide difference.
Tim
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Loy
I just tried this and it took about 25 seconds for JAWS to start back up.
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Re: Finding the ip addresss of a computer?
Arkadiusz Świętnicki
She wants the remote desktop, not the file server lol.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020 8:06 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Finding the ip addresss of a computer?
You need a lot more than just the IP address.
1. In order to access anything on a computer, you need a file server of some kind--FTP, http, etc.
2. In order to make a file server work, you need two addresses--that of the computer itself, and that of the router to which said computer is connected.
2.1. To get the address of the computer on which the server is running, do the following: 2.1.1. Open the Windows Start menu by tapping the Windows Key. 2.1.2. In the search field, type cmd. Hear Windows say "Command prompt ..." etc. Press ENTER. 2.1.3. At the prompt, type "ipconfig" and press ENTER. 2.1.4. Use the JAWS Cursor and move through the screen contents until you find something that sounds similar to this:
IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.140
Whatever you find that closely resembles the above, that's your computer's address. Make a note of it.
2.1.5 type EXIT and press ENTER to close the Command Prompt window. 2.2. To find the address of the great unwashed Internet on which your router sits, go to http://www.whatismyip.com and look for something on the screen that sounds like this:
My Public IPv4 is: blah.blah.blah.blah
The numbers you hear, sepearted by periods, are your external wide-area network (WAN) address. Make a note of it.
Now for the hard part.
3. Using your router's address, which you can find by searching the screen you got in step 1 and looking for the string "Gateway," log into your router' administrative/maintenance account and set up a forwarded port to the computer who's address you discovered in Step 2.1 above. The port number you will forward depends upon the kind of server you've set up. Secure FTP is port 22; https is port 443. How to accomplish logging into your router and setting up a forwarded port is beyond the scope of this mesage, mostly since all router manufacturers have different ways of doing it.
You're all set now. You can set up your internal file server to give you access to anything on your home system.
Note that some network-attached storage devices offer this ability in a nice, pre-packaged application which is a lot easier to set up than what I just described, except for the port forwarding part. That one's a necessary evil unfortunately.
On 3/6/2020 10:39 AM, Jessica D wrote:
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Tim Ford
Interesting, I just tried it again, this time counting, and it took around 8 seconds total from the time I pressed the key command to when JAWS started up again. That is quite a wide difference.
Tim
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020 2:04 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?
I just tried this and it took about 25 seconds for JAWS to start back up.
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Re: unload and reload Jaws?
Loy <loyrg2845@...>
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I just tried this and it took about 25 seconds for
JAWS to start back up.
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Re: unload and reload Jaws?
JM Casey
Windows+jaws key+f4 sends a memory dump to some file somewhere and is designed to restart JAWS if there is a hangup. It won’t really work all the time; if JAWS is too unresponsive to even receive the command for instance.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: March 7, 2020 4:42 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?
I just tried the jaws + windows key + F4, and it works well. It does not give you the usual screen when exiting JAWS, which was at first confusing because it takes 5-10 seconds before speech stops. JAWS then restarts very quickly, much faster than usual when starting JAWS, maybe 3 seconds or so. I like it!
Tim Ford
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Melissa Stott via Groups.Io
The Control Alt J still works for me when I want to load Jaws. However, I have noticed when pressing Insert Windows J, it hesitates to reload. Sometimes, it doesn’t reload.
From: JM Casey
Have actually noticed this as well, oddly enough... Must have something to do with accessibility api (if that's the correct terminology) becoming frozen for one reason or another. Would be interesting to see if someone can verify this and provide a more technical explanation.
-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith Sent: March 7, 2020 1:34 PM Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?
I really think you may have hit upon something here. I too have noticed that when Jaws becomes unresponsive if I turn on Narrator then pretty quickly Jaws comes back to life and starts talking as well, whereupon I can turn Narrator off again.
This can happen for example if I am using Mp3Gain to increase the volume of a large number of mp3 files. This is an activity which Jaws does not seem to like and can often become unresponsive during the process.
I had put this apparent ability to unlock Jaws using Narrator down to coincidence but given your experience also there may be something happening when turning Narrator on which is, behind the scenes, unlocking some kind of log jam in Jaws.
David Griffith
-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt Sent: 07 March 2020 16:09 Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?
I find this key combo works much more slowly in JAWS 2020 than in previous versions. The funny thing is that lately I've found a way to get JAWS to reload more quickly is to start Narrator with control-windows key-enter. For some reason, this seems to inspire JAWS also to load, at which point I toggle Narrator off with the same keystroke. I haven't read about this workaround anywhere. I just noticed it happening once, and then it happened several times after that. Probably not consistent.
-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020 11:04 AM Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?
I have just tried it and yes it does work so thanks for the information. Unfortunately, as you say it is very slow compared to the equivalent in NVDA but it is still a good option to use when Jaws starts to struggle. I will experiment and try it out over the next few weeks. Thanks again to Bill for this keystroke. David Griffith. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore Sent: 07 March 2020 15:48 Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?
Yes, that does work. Why I thought it did not work was because JAWS took a long time to reload. Then again, it's JAWS.
Dan
-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 7:49 PM Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?
Bill's right, the keystroke is insert+windows+f4 to unload and reload JAWS. did you try it Dan?
-------- Original Message -------- From: Dan Longmore [mailto:danlongmore44@...] To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Date: Friday, March 6, 2020, 7:18 PM Subject: unload and reload Jaws? No, this combination quits JAWS and dumps from memory but a manual re start from shortcut key or other options is required.
Dan
*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Bill White *Sent:* Friday, March 6, 2020 7:13 PM *To:* main@jfw.groups.io *Subject:* Re: unload and reload Jaws?
Hi, David. Try the following keystroke to unload and reload JAWS:
JAWS key plus WinKey plus F4.
Bill White
billwhite92701@... <mailto:billwhite92701@...>
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *David Griffith *Sent:* Friday, March 6, 2020 4:01 PM *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject:* Re: unload and reload Jaws?
Not here.
I have ben using Jaws since 1999 and in all this time this keystroke on my systems only unloads Jaws but does not restart it.
David Griffith
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*From: *netbat66 <mailto:netbat66@...> *Sent: *06 March 2020 23:54 *To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject: *Re: unload and reload Jaws?
jaws already has this option.
press the jaws key and f4. this will unload and reload it.
-----Original Message-----
From: David Griffith
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2020 3:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?
Personally as a feature request I would prefer that Jaws has the same
behaviour as NVDA. That is, with NVDA running pressing control alt and N will
close and restart NVDA in one operation without any further intervention. Jaws
should do the same thing with control alt J.
This NVDA feature is very useful if for any reason NVDA has stalled or speech
has been lost. It clears up these problems quickly and nicely as NVDA instantly
restarts itself with this forced restart.
In contrast if Jaws stalls you have to first of all try and shut it down and
then try to re-load it. The exception to this is if Jaws itself recognises that
it has crashed in which case it will sometimes restart itself without any
intervention from the user. The drawback it that it normally takes quite a
time to come to this conclusion.
Shutting down Jaws within one session in these circumstances is also not always
straightforward. Occasionally I have ended up with multiple Jaws icons on my
system tray as previous version have clearly failed to completely unload, even
though only one instance of Jaws is talking.
A computer restart is normally required to remove these multiple ghost
instances of Jaws.
I would much prefer NVDA’s one shortcut approach which in my experience never
results in multiple versions of NVDA trying to run in the background.
David Griffith
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From: ben
Sent: 06 March 2020 22:56
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?
Hi,
The two ways I restart JAWS are as follows:
One, press the Windows key and the letter r to bring up the run box. Type
jaws2020 and press enter. JAWS should come up talking.
Two, press the windows key and the letter m to bring up the desktop. Press j
for JAWS and press enter. The only thing to remember with the desktop method is
if you have other things that start with j on your desktop, you might land on
one of those.
I hope this helps.
On Mar 6, 2020, at 2:59 PM, Andrew J. LaPointe <alapointe89@... <mailto:alapointe89@...>> wrote:
Hi, I was using qread and decided to unload jaws (jaws key f4. When I wanted
to reload jaws, I used control alt and j and it didn’t work. Is there a new
way of reloading Jaws now? I am using the latest jaws 20. What I had to do
was shut the computer and restart and Jaws loaded at startup. Thank you for
your help. Also, I am most likely getting a used Romeo Printer at Humanware.
Thanks to everyone that helped me sort all this…you are all great!! Andy and
Shubert
Andrew J. LaPointe, President
Friends of the Salem Council on Aging
34 Raymond Ave.
Salem, MA. 01970
Home: 978-745-4289 cell: 978-578-0185
Editor, Commission Commuter Update and the Safe Disabled Traveler Notebook
Talking Information Center
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Re: unload and reload Jaws?
Tim Ford
I just tried the jaws + windows key + F4, and it works well. It does not give you the usual screen when exiting JAWS, which was at first confusing because it takes 5-10 seconds before speech stops. JAWS then restarts very quickly, much faster than usual when starting JAWS, maybe 3 seconds or so. I like it!
Tim Ford
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Melissa Stott via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020 1:32 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?
The Control Alt J still works for me when I want to load Jaws. However, I have noticed when pressing Insert Windows J, it hesitates to reload. Sometimes, it doesn’t reload.
From: JM Casey
Have actually noticed this as well, oddly enough... Must have something to do with accessibility api (if that's the correct terminology) becoming frozen for one reason or another. Would be interesting to see if someone can verify this and provide a more technical explanation.
-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith Sent: March 7, 2020 1:34 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?
I really think you may have hit upon something here. I too have noticed that when Jaws becomes unresponsive if I turn on Narrator then pretty quickly Jaws comes back to life and starts talking as well, whereupon I can turn Narrator off again.
This can happen for example if I am using Mp3Gain to increase the volume of a large number of mp3 files. This is an activity which Jaws does not seem to like and can often become unresponsive during the process.
I had put this apparent ability to unlock Jaws using Narrator down to coincidence but given your experience also there may be something happening when turning Narrator on which is, behind the scenes, unlocking some kind of log jam in Jaws.
David Griffith
-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt Sent: 07 March 2020 16:09 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?
I find this key combo works much more slowly in JAWS 2020 than in previous versions. The funny thing is that lately I've found a way to get JAWS to reload more quickly is to start Narrator with control-windows key-enter. For some reason, this seems to inspire JAWS also to load, at which point I toggle Narrator off with the same keystroke. I haven't read about this workaround anywhere. I just noticed it happening once, and then it happened several times after that. Probably not consistent.
-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020 11:04 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?
I have just tried it and yes it does work so thanks for the information. Unfortunately, as you say it is very slow compared to the equivalent in NVDA but it is still a good option to use when Jaws starts to struggle. I will experiment and try it out over the next few weeks. Thanks again to Bill for this keystroke. David Griffith. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore Sent: 07 March 2020 15:48 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?
Yes, that does work. Why I thought it did not work was because JAWS took a long time to reload. Then again, it's JAWS.
Dan
-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 7:49 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?
Bill's right, the keystroke is insert+windows+f4 to unload and reload JAWS. did you try it Dan?
-------- Original Message -------- From: Dan Longmore [mailto:danlongmore44@...] To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Date: Friday, March 6, 2020, 7:18 PM Subject: unload and reload Jaws? No, this combination quits JAWS and dumps from memory but a manual re start from shortcut key or other options is required.
Dan
*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Bill White *Sent:* Friday, March 6, 2020 7:13 PM *To:* main@jfw.groups.io *Subject:* Re: unload and reload Jaws?
Hi, David. Try the following keystroke to unload and reload JAWS:
JAWS key plus WinKey plus F4.
Bill White
billwhite92701@... <mailto:billwhite92701@...>
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *David Griffith *Sent:* Friday, March 6, 2020 4:01 PM *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject:* Re: unload and reload Jaws?
Not here.
I have ben using Jaws since 1999 and in all this time this keystroke on my systems only unloads Jaws but does not restart it.
David Griffith
Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
*From: *netbat66 <mailto:netbat66@...> *Sent: *06 March 2020 23:54 *To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject: *Re: unload and reload Jaws?
jaws already has this option.
press the jaws key and f4. this will unload and reload it.
-----Original Message-----
From: David Griffith
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2020 3:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?
Personally as a feature request I would prefer that Jaws has the same
behaviour as NVDA. That is, with NVDA running pressing control alt and N will
close and restart NVDA in one operation without any further intervention. Jaws
should do the same thing with control alt J.
This NVDA feature is very useful if for any reason NVDA has stalled or speech
has been lost. It clears up these problems quickly and nicely as NVDA instantly
restarts itself with this forced restart.
In contrast if Jaws stalls you have to first of all try and shut it down and
then try to re-load it. The exception to this is if Jaws itself recognises that
it has crashed in which case it will sometimes restart itself without any
intervention from the user. The drawback it that it normally takes quite a
time to come to this conclusion.
Shutting down Jaws within one session in these circumstances is also not always
straightforward. Occasionally I have ended up with multiple Jaws icons on my
system tray as previous version have clearly failed to completely unload, even
though only one instance of Jaws is talking.
A computer restart is normally required to remove these multiple ghost
instances of Jaws.
I would much prefer NVDA’s one shortcut approach which in my experience never
results in multiple versions of NVDA trying to run in the background.
David Griffith
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: ben
Sent: 06 March 2020 22:56
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?
Hi,
The two ways I restart JAWS are as follows:
One, press the Windows key and the letter r to bring up the run box. Type
jaws2020 and press enter. JAWS should come up talking.
Two, press the windows key and the letter m to bring up the desktop. Press j
for JAWS and press enter. The only thing to remember with the desktop method is
if you have other things that start with j on your desktop, you might land on
one of those.
I hope this helps.
On Mar 6, 2020, at 2:59 PM, Andrew J. LaPointe <alapointe89@... <mailto:alapointe89@...>> wrote:
Hi, I was using qread and decided to unload jaws (jaws key f4. When I wanted
to reload jaws, I used control alt and j and it didn’t work. Is there a new
way of reloading Jaws now? I am using the latest jaws 20. What I had to do
was shut the computer and restart and Jaws loaded at startup. Thank you for
your help. Also, I am most likely getting a used Romeo Printer at Humanware.
Thanks to everyone that helped me sort all this…you are all great!! Andy and
Shubert
Andrew J. LaPointe, President
Friends of the Salem Council on Aging
34 Raymond Ave.
Salem, MA. 01970
Home: 978-745-4289 cell: 978-578-0185
Editor, Commission Commuter Update and the Safe Disabled Traveler Notebook
Talking Information Center
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Dr. Joe L. Todd CVRT