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moderated Re: unload and reload Jaws?

David Griffith
 

Jaws key plus F4 simply unloads Jaws.

However if you review the thread you will find that we have discovered thanks to Bill that Jaws plus Windows key plus F4 does indeed restart  Jaws though this happens quite slowly.

Several people have noticed that this process speeds up for some reason if Narrator is turned on during this restart.

I think this is where we are at.

 

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Tim Ford
Sent: 07 March 2020 20:28
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

I am confused about the suggestion.  The JAWS key and F4 just does the uninstall, not starting again.  Am I missing something?

 

Tim Ford

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of kitty hevener

Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020 11:54 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

Hmm, I have always unloaded jaws by jaws key f4.  To reload, I just go to the search box in the start menu and type jaws press enter.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of netbat66

Sent: Friday, March 06, 2020 6:54 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

jaws already has this option.

press the jaws key and f4. this will unload and reload it.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: David Griffith

Sent: Friday, March 06, 2020 3:42 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

 

 

 

 

Personally as   a feature request I would prefer that Jaws has the same

behaviour as NVDA. That is, with NVDA running pressing control alt and N will

close and restart NVDA in one operation without any further intervention. Jaws

should do the same thing  with control alt J.

 

 

 

This NVDA feature is very useful if for any reason NVDA has stalled or speech

has been lost. It clears up these problems quickly and nicely as NVDA instantly

restarts itself with this forced restart.

 

 

 

In contrast if Jaws stalls you have to first of all try and shut it down and

then try to re-load it. The exception to this is if Jaws itself recognises that

it has crashed in which case it will sometimes restart itself  without any

intervention from the user. The drawback  it that it normally takes quite a

time to come to this conclusion.

 

Shutting down Jaws within one session in these circumstances is also not always

straightforward. Occasionally I have ended up with multiple Jaws icons on my

system tray as previous version have clearly failed to completely unload, even

though only one instance of Jaws is talking.

 

 

 

A computer restart is normally required to remove these multiple ghost

instances of Jaws.

 

 

 

I would much prefer NVDA’s  one shortcut approach  which in my experience never

results in multiple versions of NVDA trying to run in the background.

 

 

 

David Griffith

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 

 

 

From: ben

Sent: 06 March 2020 22:56

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

 

 

 

 

Hi,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The two ways I restart JAWS are as follows:

 

 

 

One, press the Windows key and the letter r to bring up the run box. Type

jaws2020 and press enter. JAWS should come up talking.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Two, press the windows key and the letter m to bring up the desktop. Press j

for JAWS and press enter. The only thing to remember with the desktop method is

if you have other things that start with j on your desktop, you might land on

one of those.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I hope this helps.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Mar 6, 2020, at 2:59 PM, Andrew J. LaPointe <alapointe89@...> wrote:

 

 

 

 



 

Hi, I was using qread and decided to unload jaws (jaws key f4.  When I wanted

to reload jaws, I used control alt and j and it didn’t work.  Is there a new

way of reloading Jaws now?  I am using the latest jaws 20.  What I had to do

was shut the computer and restart and Jaws loaded at startup.  Thank you for

your help.  Also, I am most likely getting a used Romeo Printer at Humanware.

Thanks to everyone that helped me sort all this…you are all great!!  Andy and

Shubert

 

 

 

Andrew J. LaPointe, President

 

Friends of the Salem Council on Aging

 

34 Raymond Ave.

 

Salem, MA. 01970

 

Home: 978-745-4289 cell: 978-578-0185

 

 

 

Editor, Commission Commuter Update and the Safe Disabled Traveler Notebook

 

Talking Information Center

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


moderated Re: Enabling Jaws to speak proofreading info

Adrian Spratt
 

Norma,

 

Press alt-delete (on the six-pack, and maybe also the numpad) for JAWS to give you position details in inches. If it doesn’t speak in inches but center meters, post again because there’s a method to switch that I don’t recall at this moment.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Norma A. Boge
Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020 3:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Enabling Jaws to speak proofreading info

 

Hi everyone,

 

I’m using J2020 and Word 365. I need to know, in inches, where a line of text starts. For example, If a character were right in the center, Jaws should tell me 4.25”.

And I also need the keystroke to read this info. Hope this makes sense. I’m sure I need to modify the Proofreading setting but haven’t spent a lot of time there so want to be precise in my changes.

 

Thanks,

Norma

 


moderated Re: unload and reload Jaws?

Tim Ford
 

I am confused about the suggestion. The JAWS key and F4 just does the uninstall, not starting again. Am I missing something?

Tim Ford

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of kitty hevener
Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020 11:54 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

Hmm, I have always unloaded jaws by jaws key f4. To reload, I just go to the search box in the start menu and type jaws press enter.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2020 6:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

jaws already has this option.
press the jaws key and f4. this will unload and reload it.

-----Original Message-----
From: David Griffith
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2020 3:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?





Personally as a feature request I would prefer that Jaws has the same
behaviour as NVDA. That is, with NVDA running pressing control alt and N will
close and restart NVDA in one operation without any further intervention. Jaws
should do the same thing with control alt J.



This NVDA feature is very useful if for any reason NVDA has stalled or speech
has been lost. It clears up these problems quickly and nicely as NVDA instantly
restarts itself with this forced restart.



In contrast if Jaws stalls you have to first of all try and shut it down and
then try to re-load it. The exception to this is if Jaws itself recognises that
it has crashed in which case it will sometimes restart itself without any
intervention from the user. The drawback it that it normally takes quite a
time to come to this conclusion.

Shutting down Jaws within one session in these circumstances is also not always
straightforward. Occasionally I have ended up with multiple Jaws icons on my
system tray as previous version have clearly failed to completely unload, even
though only one instance of Jaws is talking.



A computer restart is normally required to remove these multiple ghost
instances of Jaws.



I would much prefer NVDA’s one shortcut approach which in my experience never
results in multiple versions of NVDA trying to run in the background.



David Griffith













Sent from Mail for Windows 10





From: ben
Sent: 06 March 2020 22:56
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?





Hi,







The two ways I restart JAWS are as follows:



One, press the Windows key and the letter r to bring up the run box. Type
jaws2020 and press enter. JAWS should come up talking.







Two, press the windows key and the letter m to bring up the desktop. Press j
for JAWS and press enter. The only thing to remember with the desktop method is
if you have other things that start with j on your desktop, you might land on
one of those.







I hope this helps.













On Mar 6, 2020, at 2:59 PM, Andrew J. LaPointe <alapointe89@...> wrote:






Hi, I was using qread and decided to unload jaws (jaws key f4. When I wanted
to reload jaws, I used control alt and j and it didn’t work. Is there a new
way of reloading Jaws now? I am using the latest jaws 20. What I had to do
was shut the computer and restart and Jaws loaded at startup. Thank you for
your help. Also, I am most likely getting a used Romeo Printer at Humanware.
Thanks to everyone that helped me sort all this…you are all great!! Andy and
Shubert



Andrew J. LaPointe, President

Friends of the Salem Council on Aging

34 Raymond Ave.

Salem, MA. 01970

Home: 978-745-4289 cell: 978-578-0185



Editor, Commission Commuter Update and the Safe Disabled Traveler Notebook

Talking Information Center


moderated Enabling Jaws to speak proofreading info

Norma A. Boge
 

Hi everyone,

 

I’m using J2020 and Word 365. I need to know, in inches, where a line of text starts. For example, If a character were right in the center, Jaws should tell me 4.25”.

And I also need the keystroke to read this info. Hope this makes sense. I’m sure I need to modify the Proofreading setting but haven’t spent a lot of time there so want to be precise in my changes.

 

Thanks,

Norma

 


moderated Re: unload and reload Jaws?

kitty hevener <khevener@...>
 

Hmm, I have always unloaded jaws by jaws key f4. To reload, I just go to the search box in the start menu and type jaws press enter.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2020 6:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

jaws already has this option.
press the jaws key and f4. this will unload and reload it.

-----Original Message-----
From: David Griffith
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2020 3:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?





Personally as a feature request I would prefer that Jaws has the same
behaviour as NVDA. That is, with NVDA running pressing control alt and N will
close and restart NVDA in one operation without any further intervention. Jaws
should do the same thing with control alt J.



This NVDA feature is very useful if for any reason NVDA has stalled or speech
has been lost. It clears up these problems quickly and nicely as NVDA instantly
restarts itself with this forced restart.



In contrast if Jaws stalls you have to first of all try and shut it down and
then try to re-load it. The exception to this is if Jaws itself recognises that
it has crashed in which case it will sometimes restart itself without any
intervention from the user. The drawback it that it normally takes quite a
time to come to this conclusion.

Shutting down Jaws within one session in these circumstances is also not always
straightforward. Occasionally I have ended up with multiple Jaws icons on my
system tray as previous version have clearly failed to completely unload, even
though only one instance of Jaws is talking.



A computer restart is normally required to remove these multiple ghost
instances of Jaws.



I would much prefer NVDA’s one shortcut approach which in my experience never
results in multiple versions of NVDA trying to run in the background.



David Griffith













Sent from Mail for Windows 10





From: ben
Sent: 06 March 2020 22:56
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?





Hi,







The two ways I restart JAWS are as follows:



One, press the Windows key and the letter r to bring up the run box. Type
jaws2020 and press enter. JAWS should come up talking.







Two, press the windows key and the letter m to bring up the desktop. Press j
for JAWS and press enter. The only thing to remember with the desktop method is
if you have other things that start with j on your desktop, you might land on
one of those.







I hope this helps.













On Mar 6, 2020, at 2:59 PM, Andrew J. LaPointe <alapointe89@...> wrote:






Hi, I was using qread and decided to unload jaws (jaws key f4. When I wanted
to reload jaws, I used control alt and j and it didn’t work. Is there a new
way of reloading Jaws now? I am using the latest jaws 20. What I had to do
was shut the computer and restart and Jaws loaded at startup. Thank you for
your help. Also, I am most likely getting a used Romeo Printer at Humanware.
Thanks to everyone that helped me sort all this…you are all great!! Andy and
Shubert



Andrew J. LaPointe, President

Friends of the Salem Council on Aging

34 Raymond Ave.

Salem, MA. 01970

Home: 978-745-4289 cell: 978-578-0185



Editor, Commission Commuter Update and the Safe Disabled Traveler Notebook

Talking Information Center


moderated Re: unload and reload Jaws?

JM Casey
 

Have actually noticed this as well, oddly enough...
Must have something to do with accessibility api (if that's the correct terminology) becoming frozen for one reason or another. Would be interesting to see if someone can verify this and provide a more technical explanation.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: March 7, 2020 1:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

I really think you may have hit upon something here.
I too have noticed that when Jaws becomes unresponsive if I turn on Narrator then pretty quickly Jaws comes back to life and starts talking as well, whereupon I can turn Narrator off again.

This can happen for example if I am using Mp3Gain to increase the volume of a large number of mp3 files. This is an activity which Jaws does not seem to like and can often become unresponsive during the process.

I had put this apparent ability to unlock Jaws using Narrator down to coincidence but given your experience also there may be something happening when turning Narrator on which is, behind the scenes, unlocking some kind of log jam in Jaws.

David Griffith


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: 07 March 2020 16:09
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

I find this key combo works much more slowly in JAWS 2020 than in previous versions. The funny thing is that lately I've found a way to get JAWS to reload more quickly is to start Narrator with control-windows key-enter. For some reason, this seems to inspire JAWS also to load, at which point I toggle Narrator off with the same keystroke. I haven't read about this workaround anywhere. I just noticed it happening once, and then it happened several times after that. Probably not consistent.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020 11:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?


I have just tried it and yes it does work so thanks for the information.
Unfortunately, as you say it is very slow compared to the equivalent in NVDA but it is still a good option to use when Jaws starts to struggle. I will experiment and try it out over the next few weeks.
Thanks again to Bill for this keystroke.
David Griffith.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: 07 March 2020 15:48
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

Yes, that does work. Why I thought it did not work was because JAWS took a long time to reload. Then again, it's JAWS.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 7:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

Bill's right, the keystroke is insert+windows+f4 to unload and reload JAWS. did you try it Dan?


-------- Original Message --------
From: Dan Longmore [mailto:danlongmore44@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Friday, March 6, 2020, 7:18 PM
Subject: unload and reload Jaws?
No, this combination quits JAWS and dumps from memory but a manual re start from shortcut key or other options is required.

Dan

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Bill White
*Sent:* Friday, March 6, 2020 7:13 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: unload and reload Jaws?

Hi, David. Try the following keystroke to unload and reload JAWS:

JAWS key plus WinKey plus F4.

Bill White

billwhite92701@... <mailto:billwhite92701@...>

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *David Griffith
*Sent:* Friday, March 6, 2020 4:01 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: unload and reload Jaws?

Not here.

I have ben using Jaws since 1999 and in all this time this keystroke on my systems only unloads Jaws but does not restart it.

David Griffith

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

*From: *netbat66 <mailto:netbat66@...>
*Sent: *06 March 2020 23:54
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: unload and reload Jaws?

jaws already has this option.

press the jaws key and f4. this will unload and reload it.

-----Original Message-----

From: David Griffith

Sent: Friday, March 06, 2020 3:42 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

Personally as a feature request I would prefer that Jaws has the same

behaviour as NVDA. That is, with NVDA running pressing control alt and N will

close and restart NVDA in one operation without any further intervention. Jaws

should do the same thing with control alt J.

This NVDA feature is very useful if for any reason NVDA has stalled or speech

has been lost. It clears up these problems quickly and nicely as NVDA instantly

restarts itself with this forced restart.

In contrast if Jaws stalls you have to first of all try and shut it down and

then try to re-load it. The exception to this is if Jaws itself recognises that

it has crashed in which case it will sometimes restart itself without any

intervention from the user. The drawback it that it normally takes quite a

time to come to this conclusion.

Shutting down Jaws within one session in these circumstances is also not always

straightforward. Occasionally I have ended up with multiple Jaws icons on my

system tray as previous version have clearly failed to completely unload, even

though only one instance of Jaws is talking.

A computer restart is normally required to remove these multiple ghost

instances of Jaws.

I would much prefer NVDA’s one shortcut approach which in my experience never

results in multiple versions of NVDA trying to run in the background.

David Griffith

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: ben

Sent: 06 March 2020 22:56

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

Hi,

The two ways I restart JAWS are as follows:

One, press the Windows key and the letter r to bring up the run box. Type

jaws2020 and press enter. JAWS should come up talking.

Two, press the windows key and the letter m to bring up the desktop.
Press j

for JAWS and press enter. The only thing to remember with the desktop method is

if you have other things that start with j on your desktop, you might land on

one of those.

I hope this helps.

On Mar 6, 2020, at 2:59 PM, Andrew J. LaPointe <alapointe89@... <mailto:alapointe89@...>> wrote:



Hi, I was using qread and decided to unload jaws (jaws key f4. When I wanted

to reload jaws, I used control alt and j and it didn’t work. Is there a new

way of reloading Jaws now? I am using the latest jaws 20. What I had to do

was shut the computer and restart and Jaws loaded at startup. Thank you for

your help. Also, I am most likely getting a used Romeo Printer at Humanware.

Thanks to everyone that helped me sort all this…you are all great!!
Andy and

Shubert

Andrew J. LaPointe, President

Friends of the Salem Council on Aging

34 Raymond Ave.

Salem, MA. 01970

Home: 978-745-4289 cell: 978-578-0185

Editor, Commission Commuter Update and the Safe Disabled Traveler Notebook

Talking Information Center


moderated Re: unload and reload Jaws?

Norma A. Boge
 

Hi Adrian, I was working with a FS tech just a few days ago, trying to resolve a tricky Jaws issue. I had to load and unload a couple different Jaws versions several times, and he was having me start Narrator before starting Jaws. I thought he was having me start Narrator so I could have some speech while starting Jaws, but I suspect it has more to do with the speed of the Jaws re-load.
I'll have to see if using Narrator in this way speeds up the Jaws dump and restart command. That would be great! Best, Norma

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

I find this key combo works much more slowly in JAWS 2020 than in previous versions. The funny thing is that lately I've found a way to get JAWS to reload more quickly is to start Narrator with control-windows key-enter. For some reason, this seems to inspire JAWS also to load, at which point I toggle Narrator off with the same keystroke. I haven't read about this workaround anywhere. I just noticed it happening once, and then it happened several times after that. Probably not consistent.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020 11:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?


I have just tried it and yes it does work so thanks for the information.
Unfortunately, as you say it is very slow compared to the equivalent in NVDA but it is still a good option to use when Jaws starts to struggle. I will experiment and try it out over the next few weeks.
Thanks again to Bill for this keystroke.
David Griffith.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: 07 March 2020 15:48
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

Yes, that does work. Why I thought it did not work was because JAWS took a long time to reload. Then again, it's JAWS.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 7:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

Bill's right, the keystroke is insert+windows+f4 to unload and reload JAWS. did you try it Dan?


-------- Original Message --------
From: Dan Longmore [mailto:danlongmore44@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Friday, March 6, 2020, 7:18 PM
Subject: unload and reload Jaws?
No, this combination quits JAWS and dumps from memory but a manual re start from shortcut key or other options is required.

Dan

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Bill White
*Sent:* Friday, March 6, 2020 7:13 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: unload and reload Jaws?

Hi, David. Try the following keystroke to unload and reload JAWS:

JAWS key plus WinKey plus F4.

Bill White

billwhite92701@... <mailto:billwhite92701@...>

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *David Griffith
*Sent:* Friday, March 6, 2020 4:01 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: unload and reload Jaws?

Not here.

I have ben using Jaws since 1999 and in all this time this keystroke on my systems only unloads Jaws but does not restart it.

David Griffith

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

*From: *netbat66 <mailto:netbat66@...>
*Sent: *06 March 2020 23:54
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: unload and reload Jaws?

jaws already has this option.

press the jaws key and f4. this will unload and reload it.

-----Original Message-----

From: David Griffith

Sent: Friday, March 06, 2020 3:42 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

Personally as a feature request I would prefer that Jaws has the same

behaviour as NVDA. That is, with NVDA running pressing control alt and N will

close and restart NVDA in one operation without any further intervention. Jaws

should do the same thing with control alt J.

This NVDA feature is very useful if for any reason NVDA has stalled or speech

has been lost. It clears up these problems quickly and nicely as NVDA instantly

restarts itself with this forced restart.

In contrast if Jaws stalls you have to first of all try and shut it down and

then try to re-load it. The exception to this is if Jaws itself recognises that

it has crashed in which case it will sometimes restart itself without any

intervention from the user. The drawback it that it normally takes quite a

time to come to this conclusion.

Shutting down Jaws within one session in these circumstances is also not always

straightforward. Occasionally I have ended up with multiple Jaws icons on my

system tray as previous version have clearly failed to completely unload, even

though only one instance of Jaws is talking.

A computer restart is normally required to remove these multiple ghost

instances of Jaws.

I would much prefer NVDA’s one shortcut approach which in my experience never

results in multiple versions of NVDA trying to run in the background.

David Griffith

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: ben

Sent: 06 March 2020 22:56

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

Hi,

The two ways I restart JAWS are as follows:

One, press the Windows key and the letter r to bring up the run box. Type

jaws2020 and press enter. JAWS should come up talking.

Two, press the windows key and the letter m to bring up the desktop.
Press j

for JAWS and press enter. The only thing to remember with the desktop method is

if you have other things that start with j on your desktop, you might land on

one of those.

I hope this helps.

On Mar 6, 2020, at 2:59 PM, Andrew J. LaPointe <alapointe89@... <mailto:alapointe89@...>> wrote:



Hi, I was using qread and decided to unload jaws (jaws key f4. When I wanted

to reload jaws, I used control alt and j and it didn’t work. Is there a new

way of reloading Jaws now? I am using the latest jaws 20. What I had to do

was shut the computer and restart and Jaws loaded at startup. Thank you for

your help. Also, I am most likely getting a used Romeo Printer at Humanware.

Thanks to everyone that helped me sort all this…you are all great!!
Andy and

Shubert

Andrew J. LaPointe, President

Friends of the Salem Council on Aging

34 Raymond Ave.

Salem, MA. 01970

Home: 978-745-4289 cell: 978-578-0185

Editor, Commission Commuter Update and the Safe Disabled Traveler Notebook

Talking Information Center


moderated Re: Creating website with JAWS

CathyAnne Murtha
 

I use WordPress for my website as well. You can create a website with a variety of features using WordPress plugins.

 

 

CathyAnne

 

 

CathyAnne Murtha

Access Technology Institute, LLC

cathy@...

www.blind.training

(520) 955-6611

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020 7:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io; main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Creating website with JAWS

 

Hi,

I'm using wordpress, and absolutely love it!

Thanks,

Jessica

 

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io on behalf of Nermin via Groups.Io <voy44@...>
Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020 1:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Creating website with JAWS

 

Hi,

 

you were probably refering to Drupal, spelt d,r,u,p,a,l, which is a content management system.

 

Regards,

Nermin


moderated Re: Finding the ip addresss of a computer?

Steve Matzura
 

Just as I wrote, it's right there.    IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 10.1.10.188


On 3/6/2020 4:02 PM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki wrote:

Wait, where it wants the server name? What steps are you exactly taking? I’m utterly confused. By the server name you shall type your IP-Address.

 

Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 9:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Finding the ip addresss of a computer?

 

Hi,

I have the ip address, but now it wants a server name. 

What do I put there? 

 

Thanks,

Jessica

 



On Mar 6, 2020, at 3:21 PM, Jessica D via Groups.Io <jldail13@...> wrote:



Hi,

It gave me a ton of info.

What do I need?

 

 

Microsoft Windows [Version 10.0.18362.657]

(c) 2019 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

 

C:\Users\dell>ipconfig

 

Windows IP Configuration

 

 

Ethernet adapter Ethernet:

 

   Connection-specific DNS Suffix  . : hsd1.mi.comcast.net

   IPv6 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 2603:3015:bc6:6000::aae4

   IPv6 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 2603:3015:bc6:6000:8403:f16:eb45:6de7

   Temporary IPv6 Address. . . . . . : 2603:3015:bc6:6000:9862:6eb9:20d9:f370

   Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::8403:f16:eb45:6de7%8

   IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 10.1.10.188

   Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0

   Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : fe80::c63:daff:fefb:9d94%8

                                       10.1.10.1

 

C:\Users\dell>

 

Thanks,

 

Jessica

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 2:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Finding the ip addresss of a computer?

 

Just type ipconfig in the command line and it will give you all the relevant info for your network.

On 3/6/2020 8:10 AM, Jessica D wrote:

Hi

Thanks, now it wants a domain/username, so how do I find that? 

 

Thanks, Jessica

 




On Mar 6, 2020, at 11:03 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

I presume you're looking for the IP address on your local area network.  I find it much easier to do this on the machine where I want it by running the following command sequence under command prompt:

ipconfig | findstr IPv4

The IPv4 must be entered with the first two characters upper case, and the v in lower case, for this to work correctly.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Tolerance is the positive and cordial effort to understand another's beliefs, practices, and habits without necessarily sharing or accepting them.

        ~ Joshua Liebman


moderated Re: Finding the ip addresss of a computer?

Steve Matzura
 

You need a lot more than just the IP address.


1. In order to access anything on a computer, you need a file server of some kind--FTP, http, etc.


2. In order to make a file server work, you need two addresses--that of the computer itself, and that of the router to which said computer is connected.


2.1. To get the address of the computer on which the server is running, do the following:

2.1.1. Open the Windows Start menu by tapping the Windows Key.

2.1.2. In the search field, type cmd. Hear Windows say "Command prompt ..." etc. Press ENTER.

2.1.3. At the prompt, type "ipconfig" and press ENTER.

2.1.4. Use the JAWS Cursor and move through the screen contents until you find something that sounds similar to this:


   IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.140


Whatever you find that closely resembles the above, that's your computer's address. Make a note of it.


2.1.5 type EXIT and press ENTER to close the Command Prompt window.

2.2. To find the address of the great unwashed Internet on which your router sits, go to http://www.whatismyip.com and look for something on the screen that sounds like this:


My Public IPv4 is: blah.blah.blah.blah


The numbers you hear, sepearted by periods, are your external wide-area network (WAN) address. Make a note of it.


Now for the hard part.


3. Using your router's address, which you can find by searching the screen you got in step 1 and looking for the string "Gateway," log into your router' administrative/maintenance account  and set up a forwarded port to the computer who's address you discovered in Step 2.1 above. The port number you will forward depends upon the kind of server you've set up. Secure FTP is port 22; https is port 443. How to accomplish logging into your router and setting up a forwarded port is beyond the scope of this mesage, mostly since all router manufacturers have different ways of doing it.


You're all set now. You can set up your internal file server to give you access to anything on your home system.


Note that some network-attached storage devices offer this ability in a nice, pre-packaged application which is a lot easier to set up than what I just described, except for the port forwarding part. That one's  a necessary evil unfortunately.


On 3/6/2020 10:39 AM, Jessica D wrote:

Hi,

I have a computer that’s running windows 10 pro, with jaws 2020.

I’d like to be a able to access this computer remotely.

 

In order to do this, I need the IP Address.

To find it, I have to access a toolbar.

 

How would I go about doing that with jaws?

 

Thanks,

 

Jessica



moderated Re: unload and reload Jaws?

Jason White
 

To reload JAWS if it becomes unresponsive, use Insert+Windows+F4.


On 3/6/20 7:15 PM, Dan Longmore wrote:

You are correct, JAWS key & F4 simply quits JAWS.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 7:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

Not here.

I have ben using Jaws since 1999 and in all this time this keystroke  on my systems only unloads Jaws but does not restart it.

 

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: netbat66
Sent: 06 March 2020 23:54
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

jaws already has this option.

press the jaws key and f4. this will unload and reload it.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: David Griffith

Sent: Friday, March 06, 2020 3:42 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

 

 

 

 

Personally as   a feature request I would prefer that Jaws has the same

behaviour as NVDA. That is, with NVDA running pressing control alt and N will

close and restart NVDA in one operation without any further intervention. Jaws

should do the same thing  with control alt J.

 

 

 

This NVDA feature is very useful if for any reason NVDA has stalled or speech

has been lost. It clears up these problems quickly and nicely as NVDA instantly

restarts itself with this forced restart.

 

 

 

In contrast if Jaws stalls you have to first of all try and shut it down and

then try to re-load it. The exception to this is if Jaws itself recognises that

it has crashed in which case it will sometimes restart itself  without any

intervention from the user. The drawback  it that it normally takes quite a

time to come to this conclusion.

 

Shutting down Jaws within one session in these circumstances is also not always

straightforward. Occasionally I have ended up with multiple Jaws icons on my

system tray as previous version have clearly failed to completely unload, even

though only one instance of Jaws is talking.

 

 

 

A computer restart is normally required to remove these multiple ghost

instances of Jaws.

 

 

 

I would much prefer NVDA’s  one shortcut approach  which in my experience never

results in multiple versions of NVDA trying to run in the background.

 

 

 

David Griffith

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 

 

 

From: ben

Sent: 06 March 2020 22:56

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

 

 

 

 

Hi,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The two ways I restart JAWS are as follows:

 

 

 

One, press the Windows key and the letter r to bring up the run box. Type

jaws2020 and press enter. JAWS should come up talking.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Two, press the windows key and the letter m to bring up the desktop. Press j

for JAWS and press enter. The only thing to remember with the desktop method is

if you have other things that start with j on your desktop, you might land on

one of those.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I hope this helps.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Mar 6, 2020, at 2:59 PM, Andrew J. LaPointe <alapointe89@...> wrote:

 

 

 

 



 

Hi, I was using qread and decided to unload jaws (jaws key f4.  When I wanted

to reload jaws, I used control alt and j and it didn’t work.  Is there a new

way of reloading Jaws now?  I am using the latest jaws 20.  What I had to do

was shut the computer and restart and Jaws loaded at startup.  Thank you for

your help.  Also, I am most likely getting a used Romeo Printer at Humanware.

Thanks to everyone that helped me sort all this…you are all great!!  Andy and

Shubert

 

 

 

Andrew J. LaPointe, President

 

Friends of the Salem Council on Aging

 

34 Raymond Ave.

 

Salem, MA. 01970

 

Home: 978-745-4289 cell: 978-578-0185

 

 

 

Editor, Commission Commuter Update and the Safe Disabled Traveler Notebook

 

Talking Information Center

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


moderated Re: unload and reload Jaws?

David Griffith
 

I really think you may have hit upon something here.
I too have noticed that when Jaws becomes unresponsive if I turn on Narrator then pretty quickly Jaws comes back to life and starts talking as well, whereupon I can turn Narrator off again.

This can happen for example if I am using Mp3Gain to increase the volume of a large number of mp3 files. This is an activity which Jaws does not seem to like and can often become unresponsive during the process.

I had put this apparent ability to unlock Jaws using Narrator down to coincidence but given your experience also there may be something happening when turning Narrator on which is, behind the scenes, unlocking some kind of log jam in Jaws.

David Griffith

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: 07 March 2020 16:09
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

I find this key combo works much more slowly in JAWS 2020 than in previous versions. The funny thing is that lately I've found a way to get JAWS to reload more quickly is to start Narrator with control-windows key-enter. For some reason, this seems to inspire JAWS also to load, at which point I toggle Narrator off with the same keystroke. I haven't read about this workaround anywhere. I just noticed it happening once, and then it happened several times after that. Probably not consistent.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020 11:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?


I have just tried it and yes it does work so thanks for the information.
Unfortunately, as you say it is very slow compared to the equivalent in NVDA but it is still a good option to use when Jaws starts to struggle. I will experiment and try it out over the next few weeks.
Thanks again to Bill for this keystroke.
David Griffith.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: 07 March 2020 15:48
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

Yes, that does work. Why I thought it did not work was because JAWS took a long time to reload. Then again, it's JAWS.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 7:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

Bill's right, the keystroke is insert+windows+f4 to unload and reload JAWS. did you try it Dan?


-------- Original Message --------
From: Dan Longmore [mailto:danlongmore44@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Friday, March 6, 2020, 7:18 PM
Subject: unload and reload Jaws?
No, this combination quits JAWS and dumps from memory but a manual re start from shortcut key or other options is required.

Dan

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Bill White
*Sent:* Friday, March 6, 2020 7:13 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: unload and reload Jaws?

Hi, David. Try the following keystroke to unload and reload JAWS:

JAWS key plus WinKey plus F4.

Bill White

billwhite92701@... <mailto:billwhite92701@...>

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *David Griffith
*Sent:* Friday, March 6, 2020 4:01 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: unload and reload Jaws?

Not here.

I have ben using Jaws since 1999 and in all this time this keystroke on my systems only unloads Jaws but does not restart it.

David Griffith

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

*From: *netbat66 <mailto:netbat66@...>
*Sent: *06 March 2020 23:54
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: unload and reload Jaws?

jaws already has this option.

press the jaws key and f4. this will unload and reload it.

-----Original Message-----

From: David Griffith

Sent: Friday, March 06, 2020 3:42 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

Personally as a feature request I would prefer that Jaws has the same

behaviour as NVDA. That is, with NVDA running pressing control alt and N will

close and restart NVDA in one operation without any further intervention. Jaws

should do the same thing with control alt J.

This NVDA feature is very useful if for any reason NVDA has stalled or speech

has been lost. It clears up these problems quickly and nicely as NVDA instantly

restarts itself with this forced restart.

In contrast if Jaws stalls you have to first of all try and shut it down and

then try to re-load it. The exception to this is if Jaws itself recognises that

it has crashed in which case it will sometimes restart itself without any

intervention from the user. The drawback it that it normally takes quite a

time to come to this conclusion.

Shutting down Jaws within one session in these circumstances is also not always

straightforward. Occasionally I have ended up with multiple Jaws icons on my

system tray as previous version have clearly failed to completely unload, even

though only one instance of Jaws is talking.

A computer restart is normally required to remove these multiple ghost

instances of Jaws.

I would much prefer NVDA’s one shortcut approach which in my experience never

results in multiple versions of NVDA trying to run in the background.

David Griffith

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: ben

Sent: 06 March 2020 22:56

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

Hi,

The two ways I restart JAWS are as follows:

One, press the Windows key and the letter r to bring up the run box. Type

jaws2020 and press enter. JAWS should come up talking.

Two, press the windows key and the letter m to bring up the desktop.
Press j

for JAWS and press enter. The only thing to remember with the desktop method is

if you have other things that start with j on your desktop, you might land on

one of those.

I hope this helps.

On Mar 6, 2020, at 2:59 PM, Andrew J. LaPointe <alapointe89@... <mailto:alapointe89@...>> wrote:



Hi, I was using qread and decided to unload jaws (jaws key f4. When I wanted

to reload jaws, I used control alt and j and it didn’t work. Is there a new

way of reloading Jaws now? I am using the latest jaws 20. What I had to do

was shut the computer and restart and Jaws loaded at startup. Thank you for

your help. Also, I am most likely getting a used Romeo Printer at Humanware.

Thanks to everyone that helped me sort all this…you are all great!!
Andy and

Shubert

Andrew J. LaPointe, President

Friends of the Salem Council on Aging

34 Raymond Ave.

Salem, MA. 01970

Home: 978-745-4289 cell: 978-578-0185

Editor, Commission Commuter Update and the Safe Disabled Traveler Notebook

Talking Information Center


moderated Re: JAWS spell

Joe
 

Hi,

You are in the right area with Setting Center.

  1. Open Word.
  2. Go to the Jaws Manager.
  3. Navigate to the Settings Center
  4. In the Search box type “Spelling”
  5. One of the results will be Detect Spelling while navigating
  6. There will be several options one of which is none.

I did not get too specific about how to use items such as Settings Center. If you need more instruction please let me know.

Hope this helps,

Picture of Owl with Mortar Board and Computer

Dr. Joe L. Todd CVRT

                Phone: 616.951.2142

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Walls
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 6:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS spell

 

Well friends, I’m having an interesting week – moved from a “dumb” phone to my first IPhone and also updated from JAWS 17 to JAWS 2020.  My new JAWS tells me I have “misspelling” on various words – probably American rather than my Canadian spelling.  I’ve gone to the settings centre but can’t find where to silence such prompts and sound effects.  Any help gratefully received!

 

Don


moderated Re: unload and reload Jaws?

Ken Chernack
 

Good day.

 

Here’s another way to restart Jaws.

 

I press the Windows key.

I then press the right arrow key twice.

I then press the up arrow key 3 times to get to Restart.

I then press the Enter key.

I then wait for 30 seconds, hear the music and I am back in business.

 

HTH,

Ken

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ben
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 4:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

 

Hi, 

 

The two ways I restart JAWS are as follows:

One, press the Windows key and the letter r to bring up the run box. Type jaws2020 and press enter. JAWS should come up talking. 

 

Two, press the windows key and the letter m to bring up the desktop. Press j for JAWS and press enter. The only thing to remember with the desktop method is if you have other things that start with j on your desktop, you might land on one of those. 

 

I hope this helps. 

 



On Mar 6, 2020, at 2:59 PM, Andrew J. LaPointe <alapointe89@...> wrote:



Hi, I was using qread and decided to unload jaws (jaws key f4.  When I wanted to reload jaws, I used control alt and j and it didn’t work.  Is there a new way of reloading Jaws now?  I am using the latest jaws 20.  What I had to do was shut the computer and restart and Jaws loaded at startup.  Thank you for your help.  Also, I am most likely getting a used Romeo Printer at Humanware.  Thanks to everyone that helped me sort all this…you are all great!!  Andy and Shubert

 

Andrew J. LaPointe, President

Friends of the Salem Council on Aging

34 Raymond Ave.

Salem, MA. 01970

Home: 978-745-4289 cell: 978-578-0185

 

Editor, Commission Commuter Update and the Safe Disabled Traveler Notebook

Talking Information Center

 


moderated Re: unload and reload Jaws?

Dan Longmore
 

Yes, I use Narrator in this way at times as well. Narrator is good to have and I have found more reliable than JAWS when computer or software begins to ack a bit flaky.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020 11:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

I find this key combo works much more slowly in JAWS 2020 than in previous versions. The funny thing is that lately I've found a way to get JAWS to reload more quickly is to start Narrator with control-windows key-enter. For some reason, this seems to inspire JAWS also to load, at which point I toggle Narrator off with the same keystroke. I haven't read about this workaround anywhere. I just noticed it happening once, and then it happened several times after that. Probably not consistent.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020 11:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?


I have just tried it and yes it does work so thanks for the information.
Unfortunately, as you say it is very slow compared to the equivalent in NVDA but it is still a good option to use when Jaws starts to struggle. I will experiment and try it out over the next few weeks.
Thanks again to Bill for this keystroke.
David Griffith.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: 07 March 2020 15:48
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

Yes, that does work. Why I thought it did not work was because JAWS took a long time to reload. Then again, it's JAWS.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 7:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

Bill's right, the keystroke is insert+windows+f4 to unload and reload JAWS. did you try it Dan?


-------- Original Message --------
From: Dan Longmore [mailto:danlongmore44@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Friday, March 6, 2020, 7:18 PM
Subject: unload and reload Jaws?
No, this combination quits JAWS and dumps from memory but a manual re start from shortcut key or other options is required.

Dan

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Bill White
*Sent:* Friday, March 6, 2020 7:13 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: unload and reload Jaws?

Hi, David. Try the following keystroke to unload and reload JAWS:

JAWS key plus WinKey plus F4.

Bill White

billwhite92701@... <mailto:billwhite92701@...>

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *David Griffith
*Sent:* Friday, March 6, 2020 4:01 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: unload and reload Jaws?

Not here.

I have ben using Jaws since 1999 and in all this time this keystroke on my systems only unloads Jaws but does not restart it.

David Griffith

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

*From: *netbat66 <mailto:netbat66@...>
*Sent: *06 March 2020 23:54
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: unload and reload Jaws?

jaws already has this option.

press the jaws key and f4. this will unload and reload it.

-----Original Message-----

From: David Griffith

Sent: Friday, March 06, 2020 3:42 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

Personally as a feature request I would prefer that Jaws has the same

behaviour as NVDA. That is, with NVDA running pressing control alt and N will

close and restart NVDA in one operation without any further intervention. Jaws

should do the same thing with control alt J.

This NVDA feature is very useful if for any reason NVDA has stalled or speech

has been lost. It clears up these problems quickly and nicely as NVDA instantly

restarts itself with this forced restart.

In contrast if Jaws stalls you have to first of all try and shut it down and

then try to re-load it. The exception to this is if Jaws itself recognises that

it has crashed in which case it will sometimes restart itself without any

intervention from the user. The drawback it that it normally takes quite a

time to come to this conclusion.

Shutting down Jaws within one session in these circumstances is also not always

straightforward. Occasionally I have ended up with multiple Jaws icons on my

system tray as previous version have clearly failed to completely unload, even

though only one instance of Jaws is talking.

A computer restart is normally required to remove these multiple ghost

instances of Jaws.

I would much prefer NVDA’s one shortcut approach which in my experience never

results in multiple versions of NVDA trying to run in the background.

David Griffith

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: ben

Sent: 06 March 2020 22:56

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

Hi,

The two ways I restart JAWS are as follows:

One, press the Windows key and the letter r to bring up the run box. Type

jaws2020 and press enter. JAWS should come up talking.

Two, press the windows key and the letter m to bring up the desktop.
Press j

for JAWS and press enter. The only thing to remember with the desktop method is

if you have other things that start with j on your desktop, you might land on

one of those.

I hope this helps.

On Mar 6, 2020, at 2:59 PM, Andrew J. LaPointe <alapointe89@... <mailto:alapointe89@...>> wrote:



Hi, I was using qread and decided to unload jaws (jaws key f4. When I wanted

to reload jaws, I used control alt and j and it didn’t work. Is there a new

way of reloading Jaws now? I am using the latest jaws 20. What I had to do

was shut the computer and restart and Jaws loaded at startup. Thank you for

your help. Also, I am most likely getting a used Romeo Printer at Humanware.

Thanks to everyone that helped me sort all this…you are all great!!
Andy and

Shubert

Andrew J. LaPointe, President

Friends of the Salem Council on Aging

34 Raymond Ave.

Salem, MA. 01970

Home: 978-745-4289 cell: 978-578-0185

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moderated Re: unload and load jaws 2nd edition

 

And keep in mind that you can turn off the prompt when pressing Jaws Key + F4, if you do this Jaws just unloads instead of first asking if you want to do this.

If you put a shortcut on the desktop you can assign a keyboard shortcut like Control + Shift + J, if I walk up to one of my computers at work where usually my sighted staff work and I need Jaws I just press that key combination and Jaws starts up.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andrew J. LaPointe
Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020 6:43 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: unload and load jaws 2nd edition

 

Hi All, after working with the key strokes recommended,I found that the jaws key and f4 is easy to unload and the windows key r and type jaws2020 works much faster for me.  Just wanted to mention that.  Andy and Shubert

 

Andrew J. LaPointe, President

Friends of the Salem Council on Aging

34 Raymond Ave.

Salem, MA. 01970

Home: 978-745-4289 cell: 978-578-0185

 

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moderated Re: unload and reload Jaws?

Adrian Spratt
 

I find this key combo works much more slowly in JAWS 2020 than in previous versions. The funny thing is that lately I've found a way to get JAWS to reload more quickly is to start Narrator with control-windows key-enter. For some reason, this seems to inspire JAWS also to load, at which point I toggle Narrator off with the same keystroke. I haven't read about this workaround anywhere. I just noticed it happening once, and then it happened several times after that. Probably not consistent.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020 11:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?


I have just tried it and yes it does work so thanks for the information.
Unfortunately, as you say it is very slow compared to the equivalent in NVDA but it is still a good option to use when Jaws starts to struggle. I will experiment and try it out over the next few weeks.
Thanks again to Bill for this keystroke.
David Griffith.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: 07 March 2020 15:48
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

Yes, that does work. Why I thought it did not work was because JAWS took a long time to reload. Then again, it's JAWS.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 7:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

Bill's right, the keystroke is insert+windows+f4 to unload and reload JAWS. did you try it Dan?


-------- Original Message --------
From: Dan Longmore [mailto:danlongmore44@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Friday, March 6, 2020, 7:18 PM
Subject: unload and reload Jaws?
No, this combination quits JAWS and dumps from memory but a manual re start from shortcut key or other options is required.

Dan

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Bill White
*Sent:* Friday, March 6, 2020 7:13 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: unload and reload Jaws?

Hi, David. Try the following keystroke to unload and reload JAWS:

JAWS key plus WinKey plus F4.

Bill White

billwhite92701@... <mailto:billwhite92701@...>

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *David Griffith
*Sent:* Friday, March 6, 2020 4:01 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: unload and reload Jaws?

Not here.

I have ben using Jaws since 1999 and in all this time this keystroke on my systems only unloads Jaws but does not restart it.

David Griffith

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

*From: *netbat66 <mailto:netbat66@...>
*Sent: *06 March 2020 23:54
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: unload and reload Jaws?

jaws already has this option.

press the jaws key and f4. this will unload and reload it.

-----Original Message-----

From: David Griffith

Sent: Friday, March 06, 2020 3:42 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

Personally as a feature request I would prefer that Jaws has the same

behaviour as NVDA. That is, with NVDA running pressing control alt and N will

close and restart NVDA in one operation without any further intervention. Jaws

should do the same thing with control alt J.

This NVDA feature is very useful if for any reason NVDA has stalled or speech

has been lost. It clears up these problems quickly and nicely as NVDA instantly

restarts itself with this forced restart.

In contrast if Jaws stalls you have to first of all try and shut it down and

then try to re-load it. The exception to this is if Jaws itself recognises that

it has crashed in which case it will sometimes restart itself without any

intervention from the user. The drawback it that it normally takes quite a

time to come to this conclusion.

Shutting down Jaws within one session in these circumstances is also not always

straightforward. Occasionally I have ended up with multiple Jaws icons on my

system tray as previous version have clearly failed to completely unload, even

though only one instance of Jaws is talking.

A computer restart is normally required to remove these multiple ghost

instances of Jaws.

I would much prefer NVDA’s one shortcut approach which in my experience never

results in multiple versions of NVDA trying to run in the background.

David Griffith

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: ben

Sent: 06 March 2020 22:56

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

Hi,

The two ways I restart JAWS are as follows:

One, press the Windows key and the letter r to bring up the run box. Type

jaws2020 and press enter. JAWS should come up talking.

Two, press the windows key and the letter m to bring up the desktop.
Press j

for JAWS and press enter. The only thing to remember with the desktop method is

if you have other things that start with j on your desktop, you might land on

one of those.

I hope this helps.

On Mar 6, 2020, at 2:59 PM, Andrew J. LaPointe <alapointe89@... <mailto:alapointe89@...>> wrote:



Hi, I was using qread and decided to unload jaws (jaws key f4. When I wanted

to reload jaws, I used control alt and j and it didn’t work. Is there a new

way of reloading Jaws now? I am using the latest jaws 20. What I had to do

was shut the computer and restart and Jaws loaded at startup. Thank you for

your help. Also, I am most likely getting a used Romeo Printer at Humanware.

Thanks to everyone that helped me sort all this…you are all great!!
Andy and

Shubert

Andrew J. LaPointe, President

Friends of the Salem Council on Aging

34 Raymond Ave.

Salem, MA. 01970

Home: 978-745-4289 cell: 978-578-0185

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moderated Re: unload and reload Jaws?

David Griffith
 

I have just tried it and yes it does work so thanks for the information.
Unfortunately, as you say it is very slow compared to the equivalent in NVDA but it is still a good option to use when Jaws starts to struggle. I will experiment and try it out over the next few weeks.
Thanks again to Bill for this keystroke.
David Griffith.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: 07 March 2020 15:48
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

Yes, that does work. Why I thought it did not work was because JAWS took a long time to reload. Then again, it's JAWS.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 7:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

Bill's right, the keystroke is insert+windows+f4 to unload and reload JAWS. did you try it Dan?


-------- Original Message --------
From: Dan Longmore [mailto:danlongmore44@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Friday, March 6, 2020, 7:18 PM
Subject: unload and reload Jaws?
No, this combination quits JAWS and dumps from memory but a manual re
start from shortcut key or other options is required.

Dan

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Bill White
*Sent:* Friday, March 6, 2020 7:13 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: unload and reload Jaws?

Hi, David. Try the following keystroke to unload and reload JAWS:

JAWS key plus WinKey plus F4.

Bill White

billwhite92701@... <mailto:billwhite92701@...>

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *David Griffith
*Sent:* Friday, March 6, 2020 4:01 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: unload and reload Jaws?

Not here.

I have ben using Jaws since 1999 and in all this time this keystroke on
my systems only unloads Jaws but does not restart it.

David Griffith

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

*From: *netbat66 <mailto:netbat66@...>
*Sent: *06 March 2020 23:54
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: unload and reload Jaws?

jaws already has this option.

press the jaws key and f4. this will unload and reload it.

-----Original Message-----

From: David Griffith

Sent: Friday, March 06, 2020 3:42 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

Personally as a feature request I would prefer that Jaws has the same

behaviour as NVDA. That is, with NVDA running pressing control alt and N
will

close and restart NVDA in one operation without any further
intervention. Jaws

should do the same thing with control alt J.

This NVDA feature is very useful if for any reason NVDA has stalled or
speech

has been lost. It clears up these problems quickly and nicely as NVDA
instantly

restarts itself with this forced restart.

In contrast if Jaws stalls you have to first of all try and shut it down
and

then try to re-load it. The exception to this is if Jaws itself
recognises that

it has crashed in which case it will sometimes restart itself without any

intervention from the user. The drawback it that it normally takes quite a

time to come to this conclusion.

Shutting down Jaws within one session in these circumstances is also not
always

straightforward. Occasionally I have ended up with multiple Jaws icons
on my

system tray as previous version have clearly failed to completely
unload, even

though only one instance of Jaws is talking.

A computer restart is normally required to remove these multiple ghost

instances of Jaws.

I would much prefer NVDA’s one shortcut approach which in my
experience never

results in multiple versions of NVDA trying to run in the background.

David Griffith

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: ben

Sent: 06 March 2020 22:56

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

Hi,

The two ways I restart JAWS are as follows:

One, press the Windows key and the letter r to bring up the run box. Type

jaws2020 and press enter. JAWS should come up talking.

Two, press the windows key and the letter m to bring up the desktop.
Press j

for JAWS and press enter. The only thing to remember with the desktop
method is

if you have other things that start with j on your desktop, you might
land on

one of those.

I hope this helps.

On Mar 6, 2020, at 2:59 PM, Andrew J. LaPointe <alapointe89@...
<mailto:alapointe89@...>> wrote:



Hi, I was using qread and decided to unload jaws (jaws key f4. When I
wanted

to reload jaws, I used control alt and j and it didn’t work. Is there a
new

way of reloading Jaws now? I am using the latest jaws 20. What I had
to do

was shut the computer and restart and Jaws loaded at startup. Thank you
for

your help. Also, I am most likely getting a used Romeo Printer at
Humanware.

Thanks to everyone that helped me sort all this…you are all great!!
Andy and

Shubert

Andrew J. LaPointe, President

Friends of the Salem Council on Aging

34 Raymond Ave.

Salem, MA. 01970

Home: 978-745-4289 cell: 978-578-0185

Editor, Commission Commuter Update and the Safe Disabled Traveler Notebook

Talking Information Center


moderated How To Restore Fields In An Outlook E-mail Message

Tom Behler
 

Hello everyone.

 

I have once again lost the ability to read heading fields in an Outlook e-mail message using the Alt 1, 2, 3, and 4 keys.

 

In particular, I’m trying to verify that the BCC field contains addresses for about 70 people I have just sent a bulk e-mail to.

 

When I access the BCC field, Jaws reads the text in the body of the e-mail, not the addresses in the BCC field.

 

Below are some instructions I have tried several times, but I can’t get the desired change to take affect.

 

I think the problem has something to do with the “features coming soon” popup in Office 365.

 

Thanks for any help, and see instructions below.

 

Tom Behler

 

Instructions for restoring fields in an e-mail message if they disappear

 

If e-mail message fields disappear, and are not able to be accessed with the alt 1, 2, 3, etc., you must turn off features coming soon.

 

To do this, put focus on your in-box, and then hit the alt key to get to the home menu.

 

Then, arrow left once or twice, and you should get to the check box to turn this function on or off.

 

If it says “turn features coming soon off”, you know it’s on.  Just un-check the box, and you should be ok.

 

Note:  You will have to re-start Outlook and possibly even your computer for the change to take effect.

 

 

 

 


moderated Re: unload and reload Jaws?

Dan Longmore
 

Yes, that does work. Why I thought it did not work was because JAWS took a long time to reload. Then again, it's JAWS.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 7:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

Bill's right, the keystroke is insert+windows+f4 to unload and reload JAWS. did you try it Dan?


-------- Original Message --------
From: Dan Longmore [mailto:danlongmore44@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Friday, March 6, 2020, 7:18 PM
Subject: unload and reload Jaws?
No, this combination quits JAWS and dumps from memory but a manual re
start from shortcut key or other options is required.

Dan

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Bill White
*Sent:* Friday, March 6, 2020 7:13 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: unload and reload Jaws?

Hi, David. Try the following keystroke to unload and reload JAWS:

JAWS key plus WinKey plus F4.

Bill White

billwhite92701@... <mailto:billwhite92701@...>

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *David Griffith
*Sent:* Friday, March 6, 2020 4:01 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: unload and reload Jaws?

Not here.

I have ben using Jaws since 1999 and in all this time this keystroke on
my systems only unloads Jaws but does not restart it.

David Griffith

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

*From: *netbat66 <mailto:netbat66@...>
*Sent: *06 March 2020 23:54
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: unload and reload Jaws?

jaws already has this option.

press the jaws key and f4. this will unload and reload it.

-----Original Message-----

From: David Griffith

Sent: Friday, March 06, 2020 3:42 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

Personally as a feature request I would prefer that Jaws has the same

behaviour as NVDA. That is, with NVDA running pressing control alt and N
will

close and restart NVDA in one operation without any further
intervention. Jaws

should do the same thing with control alt J.

This NVDA feature is very useful if for any reason NVDA has stalled or
speech

has been lost. It clears up these problems quickly and nicely as NVDA
instantly

restarts itself with this forced restart.

In contrast if Jaws stalls you have to first of all try and shut it down
and

then try to re-load it. The exception to this is if Jaws itself
recognises that

it has crashed in which case it will sometimes restart itself without any

intervention from the user. The drawback it that it normally takes quite a

time to come to this conclusion.

Shutting down Jaws within one session in these circumstances is also not
always

straightforward. Occasionally I have ended up with multiple Jaws icons
on my

system tray as previous version have clearly failed to completely
unload, even

though only one instance of Jaws is talking.

A computer restart is normally required to remove these multiple ghost

instances of Jaws.

I would much prefer NVDA’s one shortcut approach which in my
experience never

results in multiple versions of NVDA trying to run in the background.

David Griffith

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: ben

Sent: 06 March 2020 22:56

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

Subject: Re: unload and reload Jaws?

Hi,

The two ways I restart JAWS are as follows:

One, press the Windows key and the letter r to bring up the run box. Type

jaws2020 and press enter. JAWS should come up talking.

Two, press the windows key and the letter m to bring up the desktop.
Press j

for JAWS and press enter. The only thing to remember with the desktop
method is

if you have other things that start with j on your desktop, you might
land on

one of those.

I hope this helps.

On Mar 6, 2020, at 2:59 PM, Andrew J. LaPointe <alapointe89@...
<mailto:alapointe89@...>> wrote:



Hi, I was using qread and decided to unload jaws (jaws key f4. When I
wanted

to reload jaws, I used control alt and j and it didn’t work. Is there a
new

way of reloading Jaws now? I am using the latest jaws 20. What I had
to do

was shut the computer and restart and Jaws loaded at startup. Thank you
for

your help. Also, I am most likely getting a used Romeo Printer at
Humanware.

Thanks to everyone that helped me sort all this…you are all great!!
Andy and

Shubert

Andrew J. LaPointe, President

Friends of the Salem Council on Aging

34 Raymond Ave.

Salem, MA. 01970

Home: 978-745-4289 cell: 978-578-0185

Editor, Commission Commuter Update and the Safe Disabled Traveler Notebook

Talking Information Center