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Re: Another key combination question
epierce@...
I googled "Insert+Windows+F4" and found the following archive from this email list:
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"JAWS System Dump File from Insert+Windows+F4" "When Jaws freezes, i.e. Jaws key + F4 does not quit, I try the Jaws key + windows + F4 to force Jaws to exit. " Here is the entire message (long): http://www.freelists.org/post/jfw/JAWS-System-Dump-File-from-InsertWindowsF4-Where-to-find-it
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Re: Another key combination question
deadcatbounce <JAWS@...>
Could it be that that particular key combination bypasses the question about "Are you sure you want to quit JAWS" and it turns off JAWS immediately? If you have JAWS set to a hot key it shouldn't be any problem bringing it up again, I'd think.
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From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 2:35 PM Subject: RE: Another key combination question Dondi and the list,
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volume
Holger Fiallo <holgerfiallo@...>
Hi,How do I pin volume to the task next to IE, window media player? Using jaws 13, window home 64.
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Re: Another key combination question
Adrian Spratt
Dondi and the list,
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I was tempted to suggest that you find out by invoking the key identifier with insert-1 on the number row above the letters. However, I just tried it, and JAWS shut down. It's the first key combination I've tested that works even in this mode.
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From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dondi Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 4:53 PM To: JAWS mailing list Subject: Another key combination question Hi Everyone, Early this morning I briefly saw a email that said something about a key combination of insert+windows+F4. Of course now I can't find this email anymore. And when I turned on keyboard help and did this combination, to see if JAWS could tell me what this did my computer basically locked up and became unresponsive. Can anyone tell me what this is and what it does? I can tell it does something, but what this is I don't know. Dondi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/201202 11/fed86240/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Re: Another key combination question
George B
It shuts down jaws
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Outlook 2010 search and JAWS 13
Dondi
Hi Everyone,
Is a search in Outlook 2010 with JAWS 13.0.718 even possible? I can't get to any results and I'm not even sure if a search has even happened. When I tab from the search edit box after pressing enter I go to a close the search button. If I turn on the JAWS cursor I can arrow around and I hear what sound like many search options but how I turn these on I have no idea. Does anyone have a working procedure of how to do this? Dondi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/20120211/96d67695/attachment.html>
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Re: Another key combination question
naboukhad nassr
Hello. Insert + windows key + F4 turns off JAWS. This is useful when JAWS is not responding and is not speaking. This turns it off and you can turn it on after some seconds.
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On 2/11/2012 11:58 PM, Marquette, Ed wrote:
I have not tried this; however, remember that insert plus F-4 turns off JAWS.
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Re: Another key combination question
Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...>
I have not tried this; however, remember that insert plus F-4 turns off JAWS.
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So, you may have simply turned off speech.
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From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dondi Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 3:53 PM To: JAWS mailing list Subject: Another key combination question Hi Everyone, Early this morning I briefly saw a email that said something about a key combination of insert+windows+F4. Of course now I can't find this email anymore. And when I turned on keyboard help and did this combination, to see if JAWS could tell me what this did my computer basically locked up and became unresponsive. Can anyone tell me what this is and what it does? I can tell it does something, but what this is I don't know. Dondi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/20120211/fed86240/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ############################################################################################################# ANY FEDERAL TAX ADVICE CONTAINED IN THIS MESSAGE SHOULD NOT BE USED OR REFERRED TO IN THE PROMOTING, MARKETING OR RECOMMENDING OF ANY ENTITY, INVESTMENT PLAN OR ARRANGEMENT, AND SUCH ADVICE IS NOT INTENDED OR WRITTEN TO BE USED, AND CANNOT BE USED, BY A TAXPAYER FOR THE PURPOSE OF AVOIDING PENALTIES UNDER THE INTERNAL REVENUE CODE. ############################################################################################################# This E-mail message is confidential, is intended only for the named recipient(s) above and may contain information that is privileged, attorney work product or otherwise protected by applicable law. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at 402-346-6000 and delete this E-mail message. Thank you. #############################################################################################################
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Comodo antivirus
Jean Menzies <jemenzies@...>
Does anyone know if Comodo Antivirus is accessible with Jaws?
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Another key combination question
Dondi
Hi Everyone,
Early this morning I briefly saw a email that said something about a key combination of insert+windows+F4. Of course now I can't find this email anymore. And when I turned on keyboard help and did this combination, to see if JAWS could tell me what this did my computer basically locked up and became unresponsive. Can anyone tell me what this is and what it does? I can tell it does something, but what this is I don't know. Dondi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/20120211/fed86240/attachment.html>
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admin: close this discussion: Training on iPhone was outlook crashing
Shane Davidson <shane@...>
James hasn't officially welcomed me to the admin team of this list, but I
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am now apart of this lists administration, so, This topic is closed, as it has nothing to do with JAWS or it's operation, please take this either to viphone, or to a more generalized technical discussion list such as blindtech Further discussion of this topic will result in the offender or offenders being immediately moderated for a time to be determined by this lists administration. thank you, Shane Davidson List moderator.
On Sat, February 11, 2012 2:12 pm, Tony wrote:
I just finished my paperwork to go to Baloxi for the Iphone. It's a new
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[Bulk] Microsoft Outlook 2010 crashing issue
epierce@...
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John, The initial "Tablet/Smartphone" version of Office "15" in Windows 8 does not have Outlook. Please note that the discussion is about a BETA version of Windows 8/Office "15". Windows 8 will have "native" email/calendar apps. So, anyone that uses Windows 8 will not have to get Office "15" for email, they can just use the built-in Microsoft version of the email/calendar "app". See the following web page for details on Win8 apps: http://www.theverge.com/microsoft/2012/2/8/2784252/windows-8-consumer-preview-applications If you are planning on running Office "15" on a standard Windows desktop (Windows 7 or Windows 8), Outlook "15" should be included, but I can't cite any sources at this time. HTH! ---- Original message ----Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 12:03:19 -0800...
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Re: Training on iPhone was outlook crashing
Rose Combs <rosecombs@...>
I had no training except what I could read in the book and figure out, for
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the first few days I wanted my old phone back but now my iPhone is with me whenever I leave home. Lots of great apps and iTunes works fairly well with Jaws, I don't have any scripts applied at this time. Rose Combs rosecombs@Q.com
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From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of John Martyn Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 11:35 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: Training on iPhone was outlook crashing I am going up to Palo alto, Ca next to San Jose. The Veterans have a Blind Rehab Center up there and they are doing the training for it. 'John -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Drew Hunthausen Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 9:02 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: RE: [Bulk] Microsoft Outlook 2010 crashing issue Where are you going to train for the iphone? -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of John Martyn Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 12:47 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: RE: [Bulk] Microsoft Outlook 2010 crashing issue No kidding. I thought it was just me. Yes, that object API for Office really can cause some issues since it is used almost completely free of jaws scripting alone. I wonder if office 2012 would be better for me. I haven't kept track, but is there even an office 2012? If so, I'm ordering it from the V.A. I get these kinds of things free since they cater towards me. I just have to call a million times and bug them until they are tired of dealing with me. I have a lousy VIST coordinator. She is supposed to send me back up to Palo Alto, Ca to train for the iPhone. Anyway, I digress... I think they are using delays without allowing the program to perform tasks in the background. Like a Delay(10,0) makes it so everything on the system stop processing while jaws catches up, and a Delay(10, 1) allows background applications to continue its processing. Wish they would put in a safety in there so you don't end up in a constant loop of waiting. My JAWS sometimes does not recover and I have to tell my wife to click the close outlook button after it puts up that non responsive dialog window. I think I should complain to freedom scientific about this. Either that or hope office 2012 is out there and will be better with JAWS 13. John -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar in His Cups Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 11:07 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: [Bulk] Microsoft Outlook 2010 crashing issue John, I'm using Outlook 2007 and notice that JAWS 13 (on Windows 7) sometimes pauses for a period of 20 or so seconds and then the message I was reading finally closes. Happens once or twice a day, so not very often. It's not a crash in this situation. However I have noticed that JAWS will lock up once in a while in the calendar if I try to move through dates too quickly, or have just made a change to an appointment. This crash requires that I use the Insert+Windows+F4 keystroke, and even also launching Narrator before I can break the jam. So I do see what you're experiencing, but not as often. It sucks, but I'm just hoping that over time, FS will figure out what's going on and fix it. Frankly I think there's a memory overlap with the object model and system memory. As long as the object model clears and does not "leak" it stays away from system memory. I'm no expert, but somehow I think JAWS has become such a memory hog that it's encroaching on areas of memory where it isn't welcome. Dave Carlson Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude E6520 and Windows 7 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Martyn" <johnrobertmartyn@gmail.com> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 22:27 Subject: [Bulk] Microsoft Outlook 2010 crashing issue Hi all, I have tried this in both JAWS 12 and JAWS 13 and it seems that Outlook 2010 crashes quite frequently and locks up JAWS. There seems to be many delays in the program that cause it to lock up, like sloppy coding for example. Whenever I reply to a message or start a new one, or just read emails, Outlook just locks up and I get a long delay followed by JAWS locking up. Sometimes if I wait long enough and alt tab away I can gain control again, but most of the time the crash message comes up for outlook. I really like Outlook because of my several profiles to choose from, but it really bugs me that this issue happens all the time. I haven't reinstalled Office yet, but I am not sure that will help. I think JAWS is doing something to lock up outlook. Anyone having these kinds of issues with Outlook 2010? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. John Martyn _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ----- No virus found in this message. 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Re: [Bulk] Microsoft Outlook 2010 crashing issue
epierce@...
John,
I'm a sighted technician and labor activist (public sector). I've seen major problems with Outlook 2003, 2007 and 2010 and JAWS 10, 11 and 12 that negatively impact worker productivity. We are going to test JAWS 13 in a month or so, but from what you have said, I'm not hopeful for big improvements. I do have some information about Outlook 2010/JAWS problems being related to how Outlook uses Word and its HTML engine. Hey Dave, Thanks for sharing your experiences with Outlook and JAWS13. As you probably know, FS advertises JAWS13 as having improvements in Outlook and Word. re: Frankly I think there's a memory overlap with theDo you know of a source of concise documentation/analysis of those issues? Would simply adding more physical memory help? Such as >4GB RAM in Win7 64-bit? Thanks! ---- Original message ---- Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 23:06:42 -0800... It sucks, but I'm just hoping that over time, FS will figure out what's...
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Re: Training on iPhone
Cristóbal
As an additional resource, Bookshare has a book called the Missing iPhone 4s
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Manual written by David Pogue in their collection. I grabbed it a couple of weeks before getting the iPhone and it did help me a lot. That and general online sources. If you're a Bookshare member, it may be worth it to download and browse through the book. It's pretty complete and well structured if you want to read it in FSReader or some other Daisy program.
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From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Tony Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 11:12 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: RE: Training on iPhone was outlook crashing I just finished my paperwork to go to Baloxi for the Iphone. It's a new facility and hopefully there won't be a long wait. My KNFB Reader had gotten to the point the Nokia was unstable and resetting it self frequently. I somehow managed to leave it in the waiting area of the Pulminary Clinic a couple of weeks ago. I missed it before we left the hospital but couldn't find it. No one tried to use it so I didn't lose the money I had on my Go Phone account. I've heard you can cut down the SIM card from a prepaid cell service and use it in the Iphone on a prepaid account. Hope that is true. We probably should keep in touch about training at the different centers. Tony -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of John Martyn Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 12:35 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: Training on iPhone was outlook crashing I am going up to Palo alto, Ca next to San Jose. The Veterans have a Blind Rehab Center up there and they are doing the training for it. 'John _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Re: [Bulk] Microsoft Outlook 2010 crashing issue
epierce@...
re: Crazy names for software
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Short answer: Microsoft Office 2010 = Office "14", and Office "15" will come out later in 2012. It might be called Office 2012 or 2013. Long answer: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/windows-8-analysis-one-thing-right-and-two-things-wrong/49909?tag=btxcsim excerpt: "Microsoft has always been afraid to offend any of its potential customers, so it typically piles tons of features on top of the existing codebase and ends up with a Frankenstein monster like Microsoft Office." ---end excerpt--- Office 15 might be called Office 2012 if it is released as part of a bundle with Microsoft Windows 8 on "ARM" tablets/smartphones. Otherwise, it might be Office 2013. Sidenote: ARM refers to 32 bit RISC (simplified) processor chips that consume low power, and are used in smartphones, tablets, etc. (they compete with Intel). Win8 will include the new "Metro" GUI (primarily designed for Tablets/Smartphones), but can also run a Win7 style GUI. Here is a blog post from a well known computer industry journalist on the topic of Windows 8/ARM and Office 2015: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/getting-touchy-with-office-15-surface-20-and-windows-8/11840 Please note that the "Office 15" that will be released on Windows 8/ARM will not include Outlook. (!) Some computer industry "experts" have already predicted that they do not think that Microsoft will "do Windows 8 right" (on tablets/smartphones), and that as such, it is the beginning of a slow end for Microsoft's business (monopoly) as we know it. To me, "Metro" looks, superficially, really stupid. (As such, it probably reflects how MS executives think of their customers.) Its like the "Ribbon" on steroids. As consumers move to alternate products such as iPad and Android, developers will no longer be dependent on the Microsoft "ecosystem". Eventually most of Microsoft's "cash cow" business will go away in the consumer area, leaving only "enterprise" infrastructure software, such as servers. Microsoft is attempting to make a big move into "cloud computing" also. Microsoft Office will be one of the main battlegrounds in the upcoming industry wars. Microsoft's strengths and weaknesses will be revealed and become critical. High geek culture at MS became repulsive posturing when Bill Gates departed? In my opinion, all of the bad karma and creepiness associated with Microsoft's bad business practices (and junk architecture) for 20+ years will probably come back to bite them in the posterior. Finally. At best, Microsoft might eventually evolve into something like IBM: a formerly dominant company that re-focused on core competency in the enterprise. The difference is that IBM always had high quality (elite market), and Microsoft has always been about mediocrity (mass market). So, perhaps Microsoft will become another Novell. Also see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Office excerpt: Microsoft Office 15 is reportedly in Build 15.0.2703.1000 (version 15), and has reached Milestone 2. It sports a revamped application interface; the interface is based on Metro Design Language, the interface of Windows Media Center and Windows Phone. Microsoft Outlook has received the most pronounced changes so far; for example, the Metro interface enables users to have access to a new visualization for scheduled tasks. PowerPoint will include more templates and transition effects, and OneNote a new splash screen.[24] On May 16, 2011, new images of Office 15 were revealed, showing Excel with a tool for filtering data in a timeline, the ability to convert Roman numerals to Arabic numerals, and the integration of advanced trigonometric functions. In Word, the capability of inserting video and audio online as well as the broadcasting of documents on the Web were implemented. Microsoft has promised support for Open Office XML Strict starting with version 15, a format Microsoft ha s! submitted to the ISO for interoperability with other office suites, and to aid adoption in the public sector. ---end excerpt---
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Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 00:46:41 -0800 I wonder if office 2012 would be better for me. I haven't kept track, but is...
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Re: Training on iPhone was outlook crashing
Tony
I just finished my paperwork to go to Baloxi for the Iphone. It's a new
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facility and hopefully there won't be a long wait. My KNFB Reader had gotten to the point the Nokia was unstable and resetting it self frequently. I somehow managed to leave it in the waiting area of the Pulminary Clinic a couple of weeks ago. I missed it before we left the hospital but couldn't find it. No one tried to use it so I didn't lose the money I had on my Go Phone account. I've heard you can cut down the SIM card from a prepaid cell service and use it in the Iphone on a prepaid account. Hope that is true. We probably should keep in touch about training at the different centers. Tony
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From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of John Martyn Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 12:35 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: Training on iPhone was outlook crashing I am going up to Palo alto, Ca next to San Jose. The Veterans have a Blind Rehab Center up there and they are doing the training for it. 'John
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Re: research it
Holger Fiallo <holgerfiallo@...>
did so, my point is that they needed to fixed it and wait before new jfw was release. I have google in my default search in my IE
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From: Chris Smart Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 12:34 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: research it try google! At 01:24 PM 2/11/2012, you wrote: I tried to do a pizza search using research it, the business search seem not to work. Sad that jfw could not fix it before the new came out on February.-------------------------------------------------- CTS MASTERING: PROFESSIONAL MIXING AND MASTERING! http://www.ctsmastering.com Dropbox: Have your stuff when you need it. 2GB is free http://db.tt/bQ2GuIt _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Re: Training on iPhone was outlook crashing
Drew Hunthausen
Awesome, I'm sure it will really help to have hands on training.
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From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of John Martyn Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 10:35 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: Training on iPhone was outlook crashing I am going up to Palo alto, Ca next to San Jose. The Veterans have a Blind Rehab Center up there and they are doing the training for it. 'John -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Drew Hunthausen Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 9:02 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: RE: [Bulk] Microsoft Outlook 2010 crashing issue Where are you going to train for the iphone? -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of John Martyn Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 12:47 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: RE: [Bulk] Microsoft Outlook 2010 crashing issue No kidding. I thought it was just me. Yes, that object API for Office really can cause some issues since it is used almost completely free of jaws scripting alone. I wonder if office 2012 would be better for me. I haven't kept track, but is there even an office 2012? If so, I'm ordering it from the V.A. I get these kinds of things free since they cater towards me. I just have to call a million times and bug them until they are tired of dealing with me. I have a lousy VIST coordinator. She is supposed to send me back up to Palo Alto, Ca to train for the iPhone. Anyway, I digress... I think they are using delays without allowing the program to perform tasks in the background. Like a Delay(10,0) makes it so everything on the system stop processing while jaws catches up, and a Delay(10, 1) allows background applications to continue its processing. Wish they would put in a safety in there so you don't end up in a constant loop of waiting. My JAWS sometimes does not recover and I have to tell my wife to click the close outlook button after it puts up that non responsive dialog window. I think I should complain to freedom scientific about this. Either that or hope office 2012 is out there and will be better with JAWS 13. John -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar in His Cups Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 11:07 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: [Bulk] Microsoft Outlook 2010 crashing issue John, I'm using Outlook 2007 and notice that JAWS 13 (on Windows 7) sometimes pauses for a period of 20 or so seconds and then the message I was reading finally closes. Happens once or twice a day, so not very often. It's not a crash in this situation. However I have noticed that JAWS will lock up once in a while in the calendar if I try to move through dates too quickly, or have just made a change to an appointment. This crash requires that I use the Insert+Windows+F4 keystroke, and even also launching Narrator before I can break the jam. So I do see what you're experiencing, but not as often. It sucks, but I'm just hoping that over time, FS will figure out what's going on and fix it. Frankly I think there's a memory overlap with the object model and system memory. As long as the object model clears and does not "leak" it stays away from system memory. I'm no expert, but somehow I think JAWS has become such a memory hog that it's encroaching on areas of memory where it isn't welcome. Dave Carlson Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude E6520 and Windows 7 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Martyn" <johnrobertmartyn@gmail.com> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 22:27 Subject: [Bulk] Microsoft Outlook 2010 crashing issue Hi all, I have tried this in both JAWS 12 and JAWS 13 and it seems that Outlook 2010 crashes quite frequently and locks up JAWS. There seems to be many delays in the program that cause it to lock up, like sloppy coding for example. Whenever I reply to a message or start a new one, or just read emails, Outlook just locks up and I get a long delay followed by JAWS locking up. Sometimes if I wait long enough and alt tab away I can gain control again, but most of the time the crash message comes up for outlook. I really like Outlook because of my several profiles to choose from, but it really bugs me that this issue happens all the time. I haven't reinstalled Office yet, but I am not sure that will help. I think JAWS is doing something to lock up outlook. Anyone having these kinds of issues with Outlook 2010? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. John Martyn _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1424 / Virus Database: 2112/4801 - Release Date: 02/10/12 _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1424 / Virus Database: 2112/4803 - Release Date: 02/11/12
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Training on iPhone was outlook crashing
John Martyn
I am going up to Palo alto, Ca next to San Jose. The Veterans have a Blind
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Rehab Center up there and they are doing the training for it. 'John
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From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Drew Hunthausen Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 9:02 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: RE: [Bulk] Microsoft Outlook 2010 crashing issue Where are you going to train for the iphone? -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of John Martyn Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 12:47 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: RE: [Bulk] Microsoft Outlook 2010 crashing issue No kidding. I thought it was just me. Yes, that object API for Office really can cause some issues since it is used almost completely free of jaws scripting alone. I wonder if office 2012 would be better for me. I haven't kept track, but is there even an office 2012? If so, I'm ordering it from the V.A. I get these kinds of things free since they cater towards me. I just have to call a million times and bug them until they are tired of dealing with me. I have a lousy VIST coordinator. She is supposed to send me back up to Palo Alto, Ca to train for the iPhone. Anyway, I digress... I think they are using delays without allowing the program to perform tasks in the background. Like a Delay(10,0) makes it so everything on the system stop processing while jaws catches up, and a Delay(10, 1) allows background applications to continue its processing. Wish they would put in a safety in there so you don't end up in a constant loop of waiting. My JAWS sometimes does not recover and I have to tell my wife to click the close outlook button after it puts up that non responsive dialog window. I think I should complain to freedom scientific about this. Either that or hope office 2012 is out there and will be better with JAWS 13. John -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar in His Cups Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 11:07 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: [Bulk] Microsoft Outlook 2010 crashing issue John, I'm using Outlook 2007 and notice that JAWS 13 (on Windows 7) sometimes pauses for a period of 20 or so seconds and then the message I was reading finally closes. Happens once or twice a day, so not very often. It's not a crash in this situation. However I have noticed that JAWS will lock up once in a while in the calendar if I try to move through dates too quickly, or have just made a change to an appointment. This crash requires that I use the Insert+Windows+F4 keystroke, and even also launching Narrator before I can break the jam. So I do see what you're experiencing, but not as often. It sucks, but I'm just hoping that over time, FS will figure out what's going on and fix it. Frankly I think there's a memory overlap with the object model and system memory. As long as the object model clears and does not "leak" it stays away from system memory. I'm no expert, but somehow I think JAWS has become such a memory hog that it's encroaching on areas of memory where it isn't welcome. Dave Carlson Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude E6520 and Windows 7 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Martyn" <johnrobertmartyn@gmail.com> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 22:27 Subject: [Bulk] Microsoft Outlook 2010 crashing issue Hi all, I have tried this in both JAWS 12 and JAWS 13 and it seems that Outlook 2010 crashes quite frequently and locks up JAWS. There seems to be many delays in the program that cause it to lock up, like sloppy coding for example. Whenever I reply to a message or start a new one, or just read emails, Outlook just locks up and I get a long delay followed by JAWS locking up. Sometimes if I wait long enough and alt tab away I can gain control again, but most of the time the crash message comes up for outlook. I really like Outlook because of my several profiles to choose from, but it really bugs me that this issue happens all the time. I haven't reinstalled Office yet, but I am not sure that will help. I think JAWS is doing something to lock up outlook. Anyone having these kinds of issues with Outlook 2010? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. 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