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moderated Re: Question regarding jaws SMA

Richard Turner
 

Glen,

"Learn to live with disappointment."-Westley, from The Princess Bride



Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner


On Feb 15, 2020, at 10:18 AM, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:


I think it is wrong because people paid for the missing versions of Jaws simply by not enjoying all the latest features.
I don't think it is wrong for FS to not give support to someone without an up-to-date license though.
But charging for unpurchased versions is wrong.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2020 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: Question regarding jaws SMA

It is very common for software makers to offer annual maintenance plans which give people access to the latest version of their software as well as technical support. Vispero actually has never charged for technical support even for those who don’t maintain a current Jaws SMA and are on the latest version. It is typically of great benefit for software makers to try and get as many people to use their latest software since it makes support easier. If somebody still runs Jaws 17 or Jaws 18 they probably run into issues with Windows 10 which they then call Vispero support to help with, but the issues may not be Jaws issues but simply exist because these older versions of Jaws are becoming increasingly incompatible with Windows 10.

I don’t think it’s wrong at all for Jaws to charge somebody who is still using Windows 7 with Jaws version 15 more to jump to version Jaws 2020 because maybe now their computer died and they had to get a new Windows 10 computer. If they only ever bought Jaws 15 and maybe not even had an SMA to begin with, they are now jumping up 7 versions to Jaws 2020 and others who maintained their SMA helped to pay for the development of this version, they paid Vispero all these years also so Vispero can offer technical support which the Jaws 15 user also may have benefited from.

Vispero is a good sized organization with a number of software and hardware products and I really don’t get it why people continue to think that they should give away what they make for free. They have offices and employees and they incur millions in costs and yet people always compare them to NVDA which is an open-source project. I don’t ever see people complaining about the cost of Microsoft Office whether they buy the retail version or are on the Office 365 subscription nor do I see people comparing to projects such as LibreOffice, Polaris Office or FreeOffice.

I think now that in the US people can get up to speed with the latest version of Jaws for $90 a year with the subscription model that this is a very fantastic offer by Vispero, yes, it may cost $2.50 a month more than maintaining your SMA at $60 a year, but having access to what I call still the best screenreader in the world if you need a screenreader for more then sending an occasional email and browsing the web for $7.50 a month is affordable for pretty much everybody. Many of us pay more for our monthly music or Netflix subscription or other things like a couple of coffees from Starbucks or your favourite local gourmet coffee shop etc. If I really had to choose between having a Jaws subscription or a Apple Music or Spotify subscription because I can only afford one or the other I’d rather listen to free music and have access to Jaws or I’ll skip one or two other extras and if that is still beyond me then there is always NVDA which, by the way, would also no longer be around if they didn’t get some donations. I am sure those who complain about the $5 a month to maintain a Jaws SMA or the $7.50 for the subscription are also not people who donate anything to NV Access, but I’m sure others do because they like NVDA and want to help to offset the costs for servers and such so that the project can continue.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 10:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding jaws SMA

 

That may indeed be correct, but it is not fair if true.

If someone decides to live without the latest and greatest for a year, they should be able to get a new jaws for the same price as a new user.

So if they changed their name and address, they can get it for less?

That's wrong.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 10:14 AM

Subject: Re: Question regarding jaws SMA

 

That depends on how far behind you are.

If you are on Jaws 2019 and just didn’t have an SMA to upgrade to Jaws 2020 you should be able to buy a new SMA at whatever the price is and it will give you Jaws 2020 and Jaws 2021 this fall.

If you are still on Jaws 2018 you should be able to buy a new SMA and this would entitle you to upgrade to Jaws 2019 and Jaws 2020, of course there is no need to actually install Jaws 2019, you would go straight to Jaws 2020, but at that point your SMA is once again used up and if you want Jaws 2021 this fall you would need to buy another SMA either right away or at the latest by October.

If you are on anything prior to Jaws 2018 like Jaws 18 or even 17, you would have to immediately buy 2 SMA’s to even get Jaws 2020.

Alternatively, if you live in the US you can switch to the Jaws subscription model which is I believe $90 a year, this would entitle you to upgrade right away to Jaws 2020 no matter what version you are on, then you continue to pay $90 each year and this will always entitle you to install and use the latest update.

 

Having said all this I would highly recommend you speak to Vispero directly at 1-727-803-8600, let them look up your account via the Jaws serial number you have and ask what your options are.

They do also have a toll free number, but I don’t currently have it handy.

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Blind Gamer
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 6:37 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Question regarding jaws SMA

 

Hi I have one question
If we didn't renew jaws sma then how much price for upgrade
Thanks

moderated Re: Question regarding jaws SMA

Glenn / Lenny
 


I think it is wrong because people paid for the missing versions of Jaws simply by not enjoying all the latest features.
I don't think it is wrong for FS to not give support to someone without an up-to-date license though.
But charging for unpurchased versions is wrong.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2020 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: Question regarding jaws SMA

It is very common for software makers to offer annual maintenance plans which give people access to the latest version of their software as well as technical support. Vispero actually has never charged for technical support even for those who don’t maintain a current Jaws SMA and are on the latest version. It is typically of great benefit for software makers to try and get as many people to use their latest software since it makes support easier. If somebody still runs Jaws 17 or Jaws 18 they probably run into issues with Windows 10 which they then call Vispero support to help with, but the issues may not be Jaws issues but simply exist because these older versions of Jaws are becoming increasingly incompatible with Windows 10.

I don’t think it’s wrong at all for Jaws to charge somebody who is still using Windows 7 with Jaws version 15 more to jump to version Jaws 2020 because maybe now their computer died and they had to get a new Windows 10 computer. If they only ever bought Jaws 15 and maybe not even had an SMA to begin with, they are now jumping up 7 versions to Jaws 2020 and others who maintained their SMA helped to pay for the development of this version, they paid Vispero all these years also so Vispero can offer technical support which the Jaws 15 user also may have benefited from.

Vispero is a good sized organization with a number of software and hardware products and I really don’t get it why people continue to think that they should give away what they make for free. They have offices and employees and they incur millions in costs and yet people always compare them to NVDA which is an open-source project. I don’t ever see people complaining about the cost of Microsoft Office whether they buy the retail version or are on the Office 365 subscription nor do I see people comparing to projects such as LibreOffice, Polaris Office or FreeOffice.

I think now that in the US people can get up to speed with the latest version of Jaws for $90 a year with the subscription model that this is a very fantastic offer by Vispero, yes, it may cost $2.50 a month more than maintaining your SMA at $60 a year, but having access to what I call still the best screenreader in the world if you need a screenreader for more then sending an occasional email and browsing the web for $7.50 a month is affordable for pretty much everybody. Many of us pay more for our monthly music or Netflix subscription or other things like a couple of coffees from Starbucks or your favourite local gourmet coffee shop etc. If I really had to choose between having a Jaws subscription or a Apple Music or Spotify subscription because I can only afford one or the other I’d rather listen to free music and have access to Jaws or I’ll skip one or two other extras and if that is still beyond me then there is always NVDA which, by the way, would also no longer be around if they didn’t get some donations. I am sure those who complain about the $5 a month to maintain a Jaws SMA or the $7.50 for the subscription are also not people who donate anything to NV Access, but I’m sure others do because they like NVDA and want to help to offset the costs for servers and such so that the project can continue.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 10:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding jaws SMA

 

That may indeed be correct, but it is not fair if true.

If someone decides to live without the latest and greatest for a year, they should be able to get a new jaws for the same price as a new user.

So if they changed their name and address, they can get it for less?

That's wrong.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 10:14 AM

Subject: Re: Question regarding jaws SMA

 

That depends on how far behind you are.

If you are on Jaws 2019 and just didn’t have an SMA to upgrade to Jaws 2020 you should be able to buy a new SMA at whatever the price is and it will give you Jaws 2020 and Jaws 2021 this fall.

If you are still on Jaws 2018 you should be able to buy a new SMA and this would entitle you to upgrade to Jaws 2019 and Jaws 2020, of course there is no need to actually install Jaws 2019, you would go straight to Jaws 2020, but at that point your SMA is once again used up and if you want Jaws 2021 this fall you would need to buy another SMA either right away or at the latest by October.

If you are on anything prior to Jaws 2018 like Jaws 18 or even 17, you would have to immediately buy 2 SMA’s to even get Jaws 2020.

Alternatively, if you live in the US you can switch to the Jaws subscription model which is I believe $90 a year, this would entitle you to upgrade right away to Jaws 2020 no matter what version you are on, then you continue to pay $90 each year and this will always entitle you to install and use the latest update.

 

Having said all this I would highly recommend you speak to Vispero directly at 1-727-803-8600, let them look up your account via the Jaws serial number you have and ask what your options are.

They do also have a toll free number, but I don’t currently have it handy.

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Blind Gamer
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 6:37 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Question regarding jaws SMA

 

Hi I have one question
If we didn't renew jaws sma then how much price for upgrade
Thanks

moderated Re: Question regarding jaws SMA

Richard Turner
 

Unless I’m mistaken, and I probably am, the reason to stick with the SMA approach is that with the license approach, you cannot continue to use it after the subscription ends, where with the SMA, you can decide it works fine as is and not pay for any more SMA packages and continue using the last version as long as you like.

 

And, right now, I could buy an SMA for 2022 and 2023 since I am paid up through 2021, so I doubt they are getting rid of the SMA anytime soon.

 

But, who knows what lurks in the hearts and mind of Vespiro.

 

 

Richard

 

🖖 Live long and prosper

 

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2020 8:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding jaws SMA

 

Well, then it’s only a $1.25 difference a month between SMA and annual subscription.

No reason I guess to continue paying $150 every 2 years if that is what you have been doing and Vispero is still doing it, but for anybody who is behind and wants to get back in with Jaws the $90 annual subscription is absolutely the way to go and I wouldn’t be surprised if at some point the annual subscription was the only way to get Jaws. This would illuminate the up-front cost of $1,000 or whatever Jaws costs in US Dollars and simplify things for Vispero.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2020 7:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding jaws SMA

 

I just checked on the price of a SMA and it is: $150 for 2 years.

So, $75 per year instead of the subscription of $90 if you are in the US.

So, $6.25 per month.

Not bad for the best screen reader on the market today, since Window-Eyes is dead.  Sorry, I had to get that dig in, grin.

I use Narrator as my backup first if Jaws gets locked up for some reason, and if that doesn’t work I use NVDA, which I have donated to since even with their open source approach there are costs to maintaining the distribution.

 

I was going to go on and on about purchasing priorities, but that’s enough.

 

auf wiedersehen,

 

Richard

 

🖖 Live long and prosper

 

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2020 7:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding jaws SMA

 

If yo uchoose to subscribe to Jaw for $90 a year why do you then have an unexpected charge? I am sure you get a reminder that your annual subscription is due just as you do with Office 365 and other subscriptions.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 1:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding jaws SMA

 

Well, using that logic, you receive an email from JAWS every year reminding you that your SMA is expiring, or a unexpected charge on your credit card every year.  As apposed to one charge every 2 years that is cheaper in the long run. Of course if you don’t have to pay for it, the cost is irrelevant. Swing for the fences and you may hit a home run out of the park.    

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: February 14, 2020 1:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding jaws SMA

 

What would be the better of the choices with not what is paid but what is received?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 3:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding jaws SMA

 

I’m not sure so don’t quote me on this.  I think in the long run it is cheaper to buy 2 updates for JAWS, rather then paying $90 per year. I think the cost for 2 updates is $160.   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: February 14, 2020 8:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding jaws SMA

 

That depends on how far behind you are.

If you are on Jaws 2019 and just didn’t have an SMA to upgrade to Jaws 2020 you should be able to buy a new SMA at whatever the price is and it will give you Jaws 2020 and Jaws 2021 this fall.

If you are still on Jaws 2018 you should be able to buy a new SMA and this would entitle you to upgrade to Jaws 2019 and Jaws 2020, of course there is no need to actually install Jaws 2019, you would go straight to Jaws 2020, but at that point your SMA is once again used up and if you want Jaws 2021 this fall you would need to buy another SMA either right away or at the latest by October.

If you are on anything prior to Jaws 2018 like Jaws 18 or even 17, you would have to immediately buy 2 SMA’s to even get Jaws 2020.

Alternatively, if you live in the US you can switch to the Jaws subscription model which is I believe $90 a year, this would entitle you to upgrade right away to Jaws 2020 no matter what version you are on, then you continue to pay $90 each year and this will always entitle you to install and use the latest update.

 

Having said all this I would highly recommend you speak to Vispero directly at 1-727-803-8600, let them look up your account via the Jaws serial number you have and ask what your options are.

They do also have a toll free number, but I don’t currently have it handy.

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Blind Gamer
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 6:37 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Question regarding jaws SMA

 

Hi I have one question
If we didn't renew jaws sma then how much price for upgrade
Thanks

moderated Edge And Forms Mode

Pastor Gil Pries
 

Hi Richard,

Thanks for your reply.

I talked with the rep at Microsoft Disability answer desk, and she is going to send an email to the engineers so they can fix this.

On Monday, I will call JAWS support and report this also.

In Internet Explorer, the fields read perfectly.

 

Pastor Gil

moderated Re: Question regarding jaws SMA

 

Well, then it’s only a $1.25 difference a month between SMA and annual subscription.

No reason I guess to continue paying $150 every 2 years if that is what you have been doing and Vispero is still doing it, but for anybody who is behind and wants to get back in with Jaws the $90 annual subscription is absolutely the way to go and I wouldn’t be surprised if at some point the annual subscription was the only way to get Jaws. This would illuminate the up-front cost of $1,000 or whatever Jaws costs in US Dollars and simplify things for Vispero.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2020 7:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding jaws SMA

 

I just checked on the price of a SMA and it is: $150 for 2 years.

So, $75 per year instead of the subscription of $90 if you are in the US.

So, $6.25 per month.

Not bad for the best screen reader on the market today, since Window-Eyes is dead.  Sorry, I had to get that dig in, grin.

I use Narrator as my backup first if Jaws gets locked up for some reason, and if that doesn’t work I use NVDA, which I have donated to since even with their open source approach there are costs to maintaining the distribution.

 

I was going to go on and on about purchasing priorities, but that’s enough.

 

auf wiedersehen,

 

Richard

 

🖖 Live long and prosper

 

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2020 7:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding jaws SMA

 

If yo uchoose to subscribe to Jaw for $90 a year why do you then have an unexpected charge? I am sure you get a reminder that your annual subscription is due just as you do with Office 365 and other subscriptions.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 1:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding jaws SMA

 

Well, using that logic, you receive an email from JAWS every year reminding you that your SMA is expiring, or a unexpected charge on your credit card every year.  As apposed to one charge every 2 years that is cheaper in the long run. Of course if you don’t have to pay for it, the cost is irrelevant. Swing for the fences and you may hit a home run out of the park.    

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: February 14, 2020 1:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding jaws SMA

 

What would be the better of the choices with not what is paid but what is received?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 3:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding jaws SMA

 

I’m not sure so don’t quote me on this.  I think in the long run it is cheaper to buy 2 updates for JAWS, rather then paying $90 per year. I think the cost for 2 updates is $160.   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: February 14, 2020 8:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding jaws SMA

 

That depends on how far behind you are.

If you are on Jaws 2019 and just didn’t have an SMA to upgrade to Jaws 2020 you should be able to buy a new SMA at whatever the price is and it will give you Jaws 2020 and Jaws 2021 this fall.

If you are still on Jaws 2018 you should be able to buy a new SMA and this would entitle you to upgrade to Jaws 2019 and Jaws 2020, of course there is no need to actually install Jaws 2019, you would go straight to Jaws 2020, but at that point your SMA is once again used up and if you want Jaws 2021 this fall you would need to buy another SMA either right away or at the latest by October.

If you are on anything prior to Jaws 2018 like Jaws 18 or even 17, you would have to immediately buy 2 SMA’s to even get Jaws 2020.

Alternatively, if you live in the US you can switch to the Jaws subscription model which is I believe $90 a year, this would entitle you to upgrade right away to Jaws 2020 no matter what version you are on, then you continue to pay $90 each year and this will always entitle you to install and use the latest update.

 

Having said all this I would highly recommend you speak to Vispero directly at 1-727-803-8600, let them look up your account via the Jaws serial number you have and ask what your options are.

They do also have a toll free number, but I don’t currently have it handy.

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Blind Gamer
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 6:37 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Question regarding jaws SMA

 

Hi I have one question
If we didn't renew jaws sma then how much price for upgrade
Thanks

moderated Re: Is anyone having an edge and forms mode problem?

 

It would be good if people included the versions of Jaws, Windows and Chrome or Edge they are using.
As far as not being able to paste into some edit fields, especially password fields, this may simply be by design, some websites don't allow you to paste anything into a password field.
I just signed up my wife for online banking on the website of the Philippine National Bank and they did not allow this either, this is regardless whether Jaws was running or not, even with Jaws turned off my sighted wife could not paste anything into the password field.
As for Jaws not properly reading what is in an edit field I think that was an issue which was addressed in the most recent Jaws 2020 update.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of clarence carter via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 5:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is anyone having an edge and forms mode problem?

Hs anybody noticed that it is sometimes difficult to read the text in an edit box. For example, after putting something into the box JAWS will not read it. I also notice when copying from an e-mail in Outlook, that it will not paste the contents to the edit box. I have had to manually type the information into the edit box. It is more noticeable in the password edit box.

Any ideas?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Larry Wayland
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 6:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is anyone having an edge and forms mode problem?

I am having the same problem on various sites. It is difficult to know when the edit box is truly ready to except characters.
Larry


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 5:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is anyone having a edge and forms mode problem?

Password and user names on some site give me a hard time. I just went to WellsFargo and it took several times tabbing in and out of forms mode to get logged in.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Kolesar" <kolesar16417@...>
To: "JAWS User's Group Mailing List" <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 5:25 PM
Subject: Is anyone having a edge and forms mode problem?


Hi to all.
Both myself and my close friend Tom Klaus and myself are in a role
playing game.
I've noticed lately that when using edge and jaws that the forms mode
doesn't stay on and you need to double check that forms mode stays on
before typing in a speed and or use any of the features within the
game.
I've also notice when typing in a field and or password for a web page
as well that forms mode doesn't stay on.
Any thought on this?
Many Thanks.
Ron

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and or Best Whishes,From Ron Kolesar Volunteer Certified Licensed
Emergency Communications Station And Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham
Radio Station With the Call Sign of KR3DOG

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and or Best Whishes,From Ron Kolesar Volunteer Certified Licensed
Emergency Communications Station And Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham
Radio Station With the Call Sign of KR3DOG


moderated Re: Question regarding jaws SMA

David Diamond
 

I believe Canadians have to purchase the 2 year version of SMA.  They don’t have the option of paying an annual subscription.  Regardless Sieghard Is correct. It drives me crazy when people drop $5-10 at Starbucks one time or more per week. Then turn around and say they can’t afford things like this thread is discussing. Get your priorities straight, a cup of coffee will not read out what is on a computer screen.     

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: February 15, 2020 7:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding jaws SMA

 

It is very common for software makers to offer annual maintenance plans which give people access to the latest version of their software as well as technical support. Vispero actually has never charged for technical support even for those who don’t maintain a current Jaws SMA and are on the latest version. It is typically of great benefit for software makers to try and get as many people to use their latest software since it makes support easier. If somebody still runs Jaws 17 or Jaws 18 they probably run into issues with Windows 10 which they then call Vispero support to help with, but the issues may not be Jaws issues but simply exist because these older versions of Jaws are becoming increasingly incompatible with Windows 10.

I don’t think it’s wrong at all for Jaws to charge somebody who is still using Windows 7 with Jaws version 15 more to jump to version Jaws 2020 because maybe now their computer died and they had to get a new Windows 10 computer. If they only ever bought Jaws 15 and maybe not even had an SMA to begin with, they are now jumping up 7 versions to Jaws 2020 and others who maintained their SMA helped to pay for the development of this version, they paid Vispero all these years also so Vispero can offer technical support which the Jaws 15 user also may have benefited from.

Vispero is a good sized organization with a number of software and hardware products and I really don’t get it why people continue to think that they should give away what they make for free. They have offices and employees and they incur millions in costs and yet people always compare them to NVDA which is an open-source project. I don’t ever see people complaining about the cost of Microsoft Office whether they buy the retail version or are on the Office 365 subscription nor do I see people comparing to projects such as LibreOffice, Polaris Office or FreeOffice.

I think now that in the US people can get up to speed with the latest version of Jaws for $90 a year with the subscription model that this is a very fantastic offer by Vispero, yes, it may cost $2.50 a month more than maintaining your SMA at $60 a year, but having access to what I call still the best screenreader in the world if you need a screenreader for more then sending an occasional email and browsing the web for $7.50 a month is affordable for pretty much everybody. Many of us pay more for our monthly music or Netflix subscription or other things like a couple of coffees from Starbucks or your favourite local gourmet coffee shop etc. If I really had to choose between having a Jaws subscription or a Apple Music or Spotify subscription because I can only afford one or the other I’d rather listen to free music and have access to Jaws or I’ll skip one or two other extras and if that is still beyond me then there is always NVDA which, by the way, would also no longer be around if they didn’t get some donations. I am sure those who complain about the $5 a month to maintain a Jaws SMA or the $7.50 for the subscription are also not people who donate anything to NV Access, but I’m sure others do because they like NVDA and want to help to offset the costs for servers and such so that the project can continue.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 10:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding jaws SMA

 

That may indeed be correct, but it is not fair if true.

If someone decides to live without the latest and greatest for a year, they should be able to get a new jaws for the same price as a new user.

So if they changed their name and address, they can get it for less?

That's wrong.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 10:14 AM

Subject: Re: Question regarding jaws SMA

 

That depends on how far behind you are.

If you are on Jaws 2019 and just didn’t have an SMA to upgrade to Jaws 2020 you should be able to buy a new SMA at whatever the price is and it will give you Jaws 2020 and Jaws 2021 this fall.

If you are still on Jaws 2018 you should be able to buy a new SMA and this would entitle you to upgrade to Jaws 2019 and Jaws 2020, of course there is no need to actually install Jaws 2019, you would go straight to Jaws 2020, but at that point your SMA is once again used up and if you want Jaws 2021 this fall you would need to buy another SMA either right away or at the latest by October.

If you are on anything prior to Jaws 2018 like Jaws 18 or even 17, you would have to immediately buy 2 SMA’s to even get Jaws 2020.

Alternatively, if you live in the US you can switch to the Jaws subscription model which is I believe $90 a year, this would entitle you to upgrade right away to Jaws 2020 no matter what version you are on, then you continue to pay $90 each year and this will always entitle you to install and use the latest update.

 

Having said all this I would highly recommend you speak to Vispero directly at 1-727-803-8600, let them look up your account via the Jaws serial number you have and ask what your options are.

They do also have a toll free number, but I don’t currently have it handy.

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Blind Gamer
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 6:37 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Question regarding jaws SMA

 

Hi I have one question
If we didn't renew jaws sma then how much price for upgrade
Thanks

moderated Re: Question regarding jaws SMA

Richard Turner
 

I just checked on the price of a SMA and it is: $150 for 2 years.

So, $75 per year instead of the subscription of $90 if you are in the US.

So, $6.25 per month.

Not bad for the best screen reader on the market today, since Window-Eyes is dead.  Sorry, I had to get that dig in, grin.

I use Narrator as my backup first if Jaws gets locked up for some reason, and if that doesn’t work I use NVDA, which I have donated to since even with their open source approach there are costs to maintaining the distribution.

 

I was going to go on and on about purchasing priorities, but that’s enough.

 

auf wiedersehen,

 

Richard

 

🖖 Live long and prosper

 

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2020 7:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding jaws SMA

 

If yo uchoose to subscribe to Jaw for $90 a year why do you then have an unexpected charge? I am sure you get a reminder that your annual subscription is due just as you do with Office 365 and other subscriptions.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 1:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding jaws SMA

 

Well, using that logic, you receive an email from JAWS every year reminding you that your SMA is expiring, or a unexpected charge on your credit card every year.  As apposed to one charge every 2 years that is cheaper in the long run. Of course if you don’t have to pay for it, the cost is irrelevant. Swing for the fences and you may hit a home run out of the park.    

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: February 14, 2020 1:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding jaws SMA

 

What would be the better of the choices with not what is paid but what is received?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 3:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding jaws SMA

 

I’m not sure so don’t quote me on this.  I think in the long run it is cheaper to buy 2 updates for JAWS, rather then paying $90 per year. I think the cost for 2 updates is $160.   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: February 14, 2020 8:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding jaws SMA

 

That depends on how far behind you are.

If you are on Jaws 2019 and just didn’t have an SMA to upgrade to Jaws 2020 you should be able to buy a new SMA at whatever the price is and it will give you Jaws 2020 and Jaws 2021 this fall.

If you are still on Jaws 2018 you should be able to buy a new SMA and this would entitle you to upgrade to Jaws 2019 and Jaws 2020, of course there is no need to actually install Jaws 2019, you would go straight to Jaws 2020, but at that point your SMA is once again used up and if you want Jaws 2021 this fall you would need to buy another SMA either right away or at the latest by October.

If you are on anything prior to Jaws 2018 like Jaws 18 or even 17, you would have to immediately buy 2 SMA’s to even get Jaws 2020.

Alternatively, if you live in the US you can switch to the Jaws subscription model which is I believe $90 a year, this would entitle you to upgrade right away to Jaws 2020 no matter what version you are on, then you continue to pay $90 each year and this will always entitle you to install and use the latest update.

 

Having said all this I would highly recommend you speak to Vispero directly at 1-727-803-8600, let them look up your account via the Jaws serial number you have and ask what your options are.

They do also have a toll free number, but I don’t currently have it handy.

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Blind Gamer
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 6:37 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Question regarding jaws SMA

 

Hi I have one question
If we didn't renew jaws sma then how much price for upgrade
Thanks

moderated Re: Question regarding jaws SMA

David Diamond
 

Perhaps I worded it wrong, you forget all about it then it comes up and it is unexpected.  The point was I would think it is cheaper in the long run to purchase it with 2 updates then an annual subscription of $90. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: February 15, 2020 7:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding jaws SMA

 

If yo uchoose to subscribe to Jaw for $90 a year why do you then have an unexpected charge? I am sure you get a reminder that your annual subscription is due just as you do with Office 365 and other subscriptions.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 1:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding jaws SMA

 

Well, using that logic, you receive an email from JAWS every year reminding you that your SMA is expiring, or a unexpected charge on your credit card every year.  As apposed to one charge every 2 years that is cheaper in the long run. Of course if you don’t have to pay for it, the cost is irrelevant. Swing for the fences and you may hit a home run out of the park.    

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: February 14, 2020 1:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding jaws SMA

 

What would be the better of the choices with not what is paid but what is received?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 3:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding jaws SMA

 

I’m not sure so don’t quote me on this.  I think in the long run it is cheaper to buy 2 updates for JAWS, rather then paying $90 per year. I think the cost for 2 updates is $160.   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: February 14, 2020 8:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding jaws SMA

 

That depends on how far behind you are.

If you are on Jaws 2019 and just didn’t have an SMA to upgrade to Jaws 2020 you should be able to buy a new SMA at whatever the price is and it will give you Jaws 2020 and Jaws 2021 this fall.

If you are still on Jaws 2018 you should be able to buy a new SMA and this would entitle you to upgrade to Jaws 2019 and Jaws 2020, of course there is no need to actually install Jaws 2019, you would go straight to Jaws 2020, but at that point your SMA is once again used up and if you want Jaws 2021 this fall you would need to buy another SMA either right away or at the latest by October.

If you are on anything prior to Jaws 2018 like Jaws 18 or even 17, you would have to immediately buy 2 SMA’s to even get Jaws 2020.

Alternatively, if you live in the US you can switch to the Jaws subscription model which is I believe $90 a year, this would entitle you to upgrade right away to Jaws 2020 no matter what version you are on, then you continue to pay $90 each year and this will always entitle you to install and use the latest update.

 

Having said all this I would highly recommend you speak to Vispero directly at 1-727-803-8600, let them look up your account via the Jaws serial number you have and ask what your options are.

They do also have a toll free number, but I don’t currently have it handy.

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Blind Gamer
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 6:37 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Question regarding jaws SMA

 

Hi I have one question
If we didn't renew jaws sma then how much price for upgrade
Thanks

moderated Re: Edge And Forms Mode

Richard Turner
 

They read correct with Firefox but not with Edge.

So, the question is should this be reported to Freedom Scientific or Microsoft.

I would lean toward reporting it to both.

I suspect though, this is an issue with Edge since Jaws speaks the field names as you tab with Firefox.

You may want to call Microsoft Accessibility, 800-936-5900 and have them log into your computer and see what you are seeing/hearing, grin.

 

Later,

 

 

Richard

 

🖖 Live long and prosper

 

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pastor Gil Pries
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 11:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Edge And Forms Mode

 

I am using the latest version of Edge, JAWS 2020 and Windows 10 version 1909.

Here is the site I am having trouble with.

Jaws won’’t speak the fields in the edit box

 

Pastor Gil

 

https://www.rtcsnv.com/ways-to-travel/paratransit-accessibility/order-paratransit-passes-online/#22pass.

moderated Re: Question regarding jaws SMA

 

If yo uchoose to subscribe to Jaw for $90 a year why do you then have an unexpected charge? I am sure you get a reminder that your annual subscription is due just as you do with Office 365 and other subscriptions.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 1:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding jaws SMA

 

Well, using that logic, you receive an email from JAWS every year reminding you that your SMA is expiring, or a unexpected charge on your credit card every year.  As apposed to one charge every 2 years that is cheaper in the long run. Of course if you don’t have to pay for it, the cost is irrelevant. Swing for the fences and you may hit a home run out of the park.    

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: February 14, 2020 1:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding jaws SMA

 

What would be the better of the choices with not what is paid but what is received?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 3:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding jaws SMA

 

I’m not sure so don’t quote me on this.  I think in the long run it is cheaper to buy 2 updates for JAWS, rather then paying $90 per year. I think the cost for 2 updates is $160.   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: February 14, 2020 8:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding jaws SMA

 

That depends on how far behind you are.

If you are on Jaws 2019 and just didn’t have an SMA to upgrade to Jaws 2020 you should be able to buy a new SMA at whatever the price is and it will give you Jaws 2020 and Jaws 2021 this fall.

If you are still on Jaws 2018 you should be able to buy a new SMA and this would entitle you to upgrade to Jaws 2019 and Jaws 2020, of course there is no need to actually install Jaws 2019, you would go straight to Jaws 2020, but at that point your SMA is once again used up and if you want Jaws 2021 this fall you would need to buy another SMA either right away or at the latest by October.

If you are on anything prior to Jaws 2018 like Jaws 18 or even 17, you would have to immediately buy 2 SMA’s to even get Jaws 2020.

Alternatively, if you live in the US you can switch to the Jaws subscription model which is I believe $90 a year, this would entitle you to upgrade right away to Jaws 2020 no matter what version you are on, then you continue to pay $90 each year and this will always entitle you to install and use the latest update.

 

Having said all this I would highly recommend you speak to Vispero directly at 1-727-803-8600, let them look up your account via the Jaws serial number you have and ask what your options are.

They do also have a toll free number, but I don’t currently have it handy.

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Blind Gamer
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 6:37 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Question regarding jaws SMA

 

Hi I have one question
If we didn't renew jaws sma then how much price for upgrade
Thanks

moderated Re: Question regarding jaws SMA

 

It is very common for software makers to offer annual maintenance plans which give people access to the latest version of their software as well as technical support. Vispero actually has never charged for technical support even for those who don’t maintain a current Jaws SMA and are on the latest version. It is typically of great benefit for software makers to try and get as many people to use their latest software since it makes support easier. If somebody still runs Jaws 17 or Jaws 18 they probably run into issues with Windows 10 which they then call Vispero support to help with, but the issues may not be Jaws issues but simply exist because these older versions of Jaws are becoming increasingly incompatible with Windows 10.

I don’t think it’s wrong at all for Jaws to charge somebody who is still using Windows 7 with Jaws version 15 more to jump to version Jaws 2020 because maybe now their computer died and they had to get a new Windows 10 computer. If they only ever bought Jaws 15 and maybe not even had an SMA to begin with, they are now jumping up 7 versions to Jaws 2020 and others who maintained their SMA helped to pay for the development of this version, they paid Vispero all these years also so Vispero can offer technical support which the Jaws 15 user also may have benefited from.

Vispero is a good sized organization with a number of software and hardware products and I really don’t get it why people continue to think that they should give away what they make for free. They have offices and employees and they incur millions in costs and yet people always compare them to NVDA which is an open-source project. I don’t ever see people complaining about the cost of Microsoft Office whether they buy the retail version or are on the Office 365 subscription nor do I see people comparing to projects such as LibreOffice, Polaris Office or FreeOffice.

I think now that in the US people can get up to speed with the latest version of Jaws for $90 a year with the subscription model that this is a very fantastic offer by Vispero, yes, it may cost $2.50 a month more than maintaining your SMA at $60 a year, but having access to what I call still the best screenreader in the world if you need a screenreader for more then sending an occasional email and browsing the web for $7.50 a month is affordable for pretty much everybody. Many of us pay more for our monthly music or Netflix subscription or other things like a couple of coffees from Starbucks or your favourite local gourmet coffee shop etc. If I really had to choose between having a Jaws subscription or a Apple Music or Spotify subscription because I can only afford one or the other I’d rather listen to free music and have access to Jaws or I’ll skip one or two other extras and if that is still beyond me then there is always NVDA which, by the way, would also no longer be around if they didn’t get some donations. I am sure those who complain about the $5 a month to maintain a Jaws SMA or the $7.50 for the subscription are also not people who donate anything to NV Access, but I’m sure others do because they like NVDA and want to help to offset the costs for servers and such so that the project can continue.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 10:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding jaws SMA

 

That may indeed be correct, but it is not fair if true.

If someone decides to live without the latest and greatest for a year, they should be able to get a new jaws for the same price as a new user.

So if they changed their name and address, they can get it for less?

That's wrong.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 10:14 AM

Subject: Re: Question regarding jaws SMA

 

That depends on how far behind you are.

If you are on Jaws 2019 and just didn’t have an SMA to upgrade to Jaws 2020 you should be able to buy a new SMA at whatever the price is and it will give you Jaws 2020 and Jaws 2021 this fall.

If you are still on Jaws 2018 you should be able to buy a new SMA and this would entitle you to upgrade to Jaws 2019 and Jaws 2020, of course there is no need to actually install Jaws 2019, you would go straight to Jaws 2020, but at that point your SMA is once again used up and if you want Jaws 2021 this fall you would need to buy another SMA either right away or at the latest by October.

If you are on anything prior to Jaws 2018 like Jaws 18 or even 17, you would have to immediately buy 2 SMA’s to even get Jaws 2020.

Alternatively, if you live in the US you can switch to the Jaws subscription model which is I believe $90 a year, this would entitle you to upgrade right away to Jaws 2020 no matter what version you are on, then you continue to pay $90 each year and this will always entitle you to install and use the latest update.

 

Having said all this I would highly recommend you speak to Vispero directly at 1-727-803-8600, let them look up your account via the Jaws serial number you have and ask what your options are.

They do also have a toll free number, but I don’t currently have it handy.

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Blind Gamer
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 6:37 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Question regarding jaws SMA

 

Hi I have one question
If we didn't renew jaws sma then how much price for upgrade
Thanks

moderated Re: Is anyone having a edge and forms mode problem?

Loy
 

I am using the latest version of JAWS and latest version of Edge Chrome

----- Original Message -----
From: "Milton Ota" <mota1252@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: Is anyone having a edge and forms mode problem?


Hello,

Are you running JAWS 2020 AND the Microsoft Edge version 80.xxxxx or are
using a different combination of screen reader and the 44.xxxxxx version of
Edge?

If you are using the latest update of JAJAWS, and the Edge version
80.xx.xx.xx should not be having some of the problems.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 5:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is anyone having a edge and forms mode problem?

Password and user names on some site give me a hard time. I just went to
WellsFargo and it took several times tabbing in and out of forms mode to get
logged in.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Kolesar" <kolesar16417@...>
To: "JAWS User's Group Mailing List" <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 5:25 PM
Subject: Is anyone having a edge and forms mode problem?


Hi to all.
Both myself and my close friend Tom Klaus and myself are in a role
playing game.
I've noticed lately that when using edge and jaws that the forms mode
doesn't stay on and you need to double check that forms mode stays on
before typing in a speed and or use any of the features within the
game.
I've also notice when typing in a field and or password for a web page
as well that forms mode doesn't stay on.
Any thought on this?
Many Thanks.
Ron

In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best Regards
and or Best Whishes,From Ron Kolesar Volunteer Certified Licensed
Emergency Communications Station And Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham
Radio Station With the Call Sign of KR3DOG

In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best Regards
and or Best Whishes,From Ron Kolesar Volunteer Certified Licensed
Emergency Communications Station And Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham
Radio Station With the Call Sign of KR3DOG








moderated Re: Question regarding jaws SMA

Blind Gamer
 

Hi
I have proper chual licence
I am from india

moderated Edge And Forms Mode

Pastor Gil Pries
 

I am using the latest version of Edge, JAWS 2020 and Windows 10 version 1909.

Here is the site I am having trouble with.

Jaws won’’t speak the fields in the edit box

 

Pastor Gil

 

https://www.rtcsnv.com/ways-to-travel/paratransit-accessibility/order-paratransit-passes-online/#22pass.

moderated Re: Is anyone having a edge and forms mode problem?

Rick Mladek
 

Using latest Jaws, Windows 10 and Firefox and other browsers...as IE and
Edge

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Milton Ota
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 9:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is anyone having a edge and forms mode problem?

Hello,

Are you running JAWS 2020 AND the Microsoft Edge version 80.xxxxx or are
using a different combination of screen reader and the 44.xxxxxx version of
Edge?

If you are using the latest update of JAJAWS, and the Edge version
80.xx.xx.xx should not be having some of the problems.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 5:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is anyone having a edge and forms mode problem?

Password and user names on some site give me a hard time. I just went to
WellsFargo and it took several times tabbing in and out of forms mode to get
logged in.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Kolesar" <kolesar16417@...>
To: "JAWS User's Group Mailing List" <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 5:25 PM
Subject: Is anyone having a edge and forms mode problem?


Hi to all.
Both myself and my close friend Tom Klaus and myself are in a role
playing game.
I've noticed lately that when using edge and jaws that the forms mode
doesn't stay on and you need to double check that forms mode stays on
before typing in a speed and or use any of the features within the
game.
I've also notice when typing in a field and or password for a web page
as well that forms mode doesn't stay on.
Any thought on this?
Many Thanks.
Ron

In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best Regards
and or Best Whishes,From Ron Kolesar Volunteer Certified Licensed
Emergency Communications Station And Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham
Radio Station With the Call Sign of KR3DOG

In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best Regards
and or Best Whishes,From Ron Kolesar Volunteer Certified Licensed
Emergency Communications Station And Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham
Radio Station With the Call Sign of KR3DOG


moderated Re: Is anyone having a edge and forms mode problem?

Milton Ota
 

Hello,

Are you running JAWS 2020 AND the Microsoft Edge version 80.xxxxx or are
using a different combination of screen reader and the 44.xxxxxx version of
Edge?

If you are using the latest update of JAJAWS, and the Edge version
80.xx.xx.xx should not be having some of the problems.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 5:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is anyone having a edge and forms mode problem?

Password and user names on some site give me a hard time. I just went to
WellsFargo and it took several times tabbing in and out of forms mode to get
logged in.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Kolesar" <kolesar16417@...>
To: "JAWS User's Group Mailing List" <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 5:25 PM
Subject: Is anyone having a edge and forms mode problem?


Hi to all.
Both myself and my close friend Tom Klaus and myself are in a role
playing game.
I've noticed lately that when using edge and jaws that the forms mode
doesn't stay on and you need to double check that forms mode stays on
before typing in a speed and or use any of the features within the
game.
I've also notice when typing in a field and or password for a web page
as well that forms mode doesn't stay on.
Any thought on this?
Many Thanks.
Ron

In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best Regards
and or Best Whishes,From Ron Kolesar Volunteer Certified Licensed
Emergency Communications Station And Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham
Radio Station With the Call Sign of KR3DOG

In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best Regards
and or Best Whishes,From Ron Kolesar Volunteer Certified Licensed
Emergency Communications Station And Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham
Radio Station With the Call Sign of KR3DOG


moderated Re: Is anyone having an edge and forms mode problem?

Pastor Gil Pries
 

I've noticed that JAWS doesn;'t speak the form fields in edit boxes on this
sit.

Pastor Gil
https://www.rtcsnv.com/ways-to-travel/paratransit-accessibility/order-paratr
ansit-passes-online/#22pass
e

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of clarence carter
via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 5:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is anyone having an edge and forms mode problem?

Hs anybody noticed that it is sometimes difficult to read the text in an
edit box. For example, after putting something into the box JAWS will not
read it. I also notice when copying from an e-mail in Outlook, that it will
not paste the contents to the edit box. I have had to manually type the
information into the edit box. It is more noticeable in the password edit
box.

Any ideas?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Larry Wayland
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 6:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is anyone having an edge and forms mode problem?

I am having the same problem on various sites. It is difficult to know when
the edit box is truly ready to except characters.
Larry


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 5:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is anyone having a edge and forms mode problem?

Password and user names on some site give me a hard time. I just went to
WellsFargo and it took several times tabbing in and out of forms mode to get
logged in.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Kolesar" <kolesar16417@...>
To: "JAWS User's Group Mailing List" <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 5:25 PM
Subject: Is anyone having a edge and forms mode problem?


Hi to all.
Both myself and my close friend Tom Klaus and myself are in a role
playing game.
I've noticed lately that when using edge and jaws that the forms mode
doesn't stay on and you need to double check that forms mode stays on
before typing in a speed and or use any of the features within the
game.
I've also notice when typing in a field and or password for a web page
as well that forms mode doesn't stay on.
Any thought on this?
Many Thanks.
Ron

In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best Regards
and or Best Whishes,From Ron Kolesar Volunteer Certified Licensed
Emergency Communications Station And Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham
Radio Station With the Call Sign of KR3DOG

In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best Regards
and or Best Whishes,From Ron Kolesar Volunteer Certified Licensed
Emergency Communications Station And Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham
Radio Station With the Call Sign of KR3DOG


moderated Re: Is anyone having an edge and forms mode problem?

Rick Mladek
 

Yes again to this problem with JAWS and most browsers used and/or websites
visited...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of clarence carter
via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 8:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is anyone having an edge and forms mode problem?

Hs anybody noticed that it is sometimes difficult to read the text in an
edit box. For example, after putting something into the box JAWS will not
read it. I also notice when copying from an e-mail in Outlook, that it will
not paste the contents to the edit box. I have had to manually type the
information into the edit box. It is more noticeable in the password edit
box.

Any ideas?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Larry Wayland
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 6:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is anyone having an edge and forms mode problem?

I am having the same problem on various sites. It is difficult to know when
the edit box is truly ready to except characters.
Larry


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 5:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is anyone having a edge and forms mode problem?

Password and user names on some site give me a hard time. I just went to
WellsFargo and it took several times tabbing in and out of forms mode to get
logged in.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Kolesar" <kolesar16417@...>
To: "JAWS User's Group Mailing List" <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 5:25 PM
Subject: Is anyone having a edge and forms mode problem?


Hi to all.
Both myself and my close friend Tom Klaus and myself are in a role
playing game.
I've noticed lately that when using edge and jaws that the forms mode
doesn't stay on and you need to double check that forms mode stays on
before typing in a speed and or use any of the features within the
game.
I've also notice when typing in a field and or password for a web page
as well that forms mode doesn't stay on.
Any thought on this?
Many Thanks.
Ron

In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best Regards
and or Best Whishes,From Ron Kolesar Volunteer Certified Licensed
Emergency Communications Station And Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham
Radio Station With the Call Sign of KR3DOG

In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best Regards
and or Best Whishes,From Ron Kolesar Volunteer Certified Licensed
Emergency Communications Station And Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham
Radio Station With the Call Sign of KR3DOG


moderated Re: Is anyone having an edge and forms mode problem?

Marty Hutchings
 

I have been having a forms mode problem with JAWS 19 and Facebook. I do not hear the sound when going into an edit field, but when I Tab, I hear the sound that said that I have gone out of forms mode and I can't get back into the field to read what I wrote.



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13

-----Original Message-----
From: clarence carter via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 7:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is anyone having an edge and forms mode problem?

Hs anybody noticed that it is sometimes difficult to read the text in an
edit box. For example, after putting something into the box JAWS will not
read it. I also notice when copying from an e-mail in Outlook, that it will
not paste the contents to the edit box. I have had to manually type the
information into the edit box. It is more noticeable in the password edit
box.

Any ideas?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Larry Wayland
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 6:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is anyone having an edge and forms mode problem?

I am having the same problem on various sites. It is difficult to know when
the edit box is truly ready to except characters.
Larry


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 5:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is anyone having a edge and forms mode problem?

Password and user names on some site give me a hard time. I just went to
WellsFargo and it took several times tabbing in and out of forms mode to get
logged in.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Kolesar" <kolesar16417@...>
To: "JAWS User's Group Mailing List" <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 5:25 PM
Subject: Is anyone having a edge and forms mode problem?


Hi to all.
Both myself and my close friend Tom Klaus and myself are in a role
playing game.
I've noticed lately that when using edge and jaws that the forms mode
doesn't stay on and you need to double check that forms mode stays on
before typing in a speed and or use any of the features within the
game.
I've also notice when typing in a field and or password for a web page
as well that forms mode doesn't stay on.
Any thought on this?
Many Thanks.
Ron

In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best Regards
and or Best Whishes,From Ron Kolesar Volunteer Certified Licensed
Emergency Communications Station And Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham
Radio Station With the Call Sign of KR3DOG

In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best Regards
and or Best Whishes,From Ron Kolesar Volunteer Certified Licensed
Emergency Communications Station And Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham
Radio Station With the Call Sign of KR3DOG