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moderated Accessibility with the new Microsoft Edge

Richard Turner
 

A coworker just sent out this link.
It's a long article.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4538354/microsoft-edge-new-accessibility




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner

moderated Re: Accessible software to write braille music

Richard Turner
 

Hello,

I don’t know about affordable, but the only software I know of for converting music into braille music is Good Feel braille music translator and convertor.

It is by Dancing Dots.  They offer payment plans, etc.

I work with someone who teaches braille music and uses this software and loves it. 

Here is the link to the software page:

 

https://www.dancingdots.com/main/goodfeel.htm

 

HTH,

 

 

Richard

 

🖖 Live long and prosper

 

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Zel Iscel
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2020 12:18 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Accessible software to write braille music

 

Hi lissters,

 

I know there is at least one person on this list who is doing a PHD in music, so I’m hoping I could get some advice on accessible music writing apps. Is there any affordable software that translates music into braille.

 

This is an enquiry on behalf of a friend so my apologies if I’m not using the correct language.

 

Cheers

Zel

 

 

 

 

                                                                                                                                       

moderated Re: Adobe Acrobat DC Question

Dean Martineau
 

Ctrl+Pgdn is the keystroke to advance to the next page. This is probably a larger document, and you have your accessibility settings to load only visible pages in large documents. I know people who recommend that this not be done, that the entire document be loaded, even though this can take a little longer. You can change the setting for the current document by hitting shift+Ctrl+5, and can change the default accessibility options in the accessibility submenu off the edit menu.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2020 8:33 AM
To: jfw list <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Adobe Acrobat DC Question

 

Hello, everyone.

 

I am trying to read a multi-page PDF attachment I just received, but I can’t get Adobe Acrobat DC to advance beyond the first page.

 

Is there a setting I need to change to make this happen?

 

I used to be able to read multi-page documents with no problem, and wonder if something got changed in an update.

 

Thank you!

 

Tom Behler

 

 

moderated Re: Adobe Acrobat DC Question

Jim Fettgather
 

Hello, if you had not set Adobe Acrobat DC to Read the Entire
document upon loading the file, you can use Control Page Down to go to
the next page and subsequent pages.
Hope this helps.

On 1/17/20, Tom Behler <tombehler@...> wrote:
Hello, everyone.



I am trying to read a multi-page PDF attachment I just received, but I
can't
get Adobe Acrobat DC to advance beyond the first page.



Is there a setting I need to change to make this happen?



I used to be able to read multi-page documents with no problem, and wonder
if something got changed in an update.



Thank you!



Tom Behler








moderated Adobe Acrobat DC Question

Tom Behler
 

Hello, everyone.

 

I am trying to read a multi-page PDF attachment I just received, but I can’t get Adobe Acrobat DC to advance beyond the first page.

 

Is there a setting I need to change to make this happen?

 

I used to be able to read multi-page documents with no problem, and wonder if something got changed in an update.

 

Thank you!

 

Tom Behler

 

 

moderated Accessible software to write braille music

Zel Iscel
 

Hi lissters,

 

I know there is at least one person on this list who is doing a PHD in music, so I’m hoping I could get some advice on accessible music writing apps. Is there any affordable software that translates music into braille.

 

This is an enquiry on behalf of a friend so my apologies if I’m not using the correct language.

 

Cheers

Zel

 

 

 

 

                                                                                                                                       

moderated Re: The New Edge not that Great with JAWS Yet.

 

Automatic page refresh is not a browser option but something you set in Jaws quick settings, no matter if it’s IE, Chrome or Edge, just press Jaws Key + V, type “refresh” in the search field and disable it.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Melissa Stott via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 6:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: The New Edge not that Great with JAWS Yet.

 

Is there a way to turn auto refresh in Microsoft Edge?  I can be on a site, and the page keeps refreshing every couple of seconds.

Thanks.

 

                .                               Melissa

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 7:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: The New Edge not that Great with JAWS Yet.

 

Hi,

The issue folks are talking about can be summarized in one way: UI Automation. The following is a bit geeky, so please bear with me:

By default, Edge 79 (beta and stable) enables native UI Automation implementation. This means in order to access content in Edge (Chromium-based, that is), solid UI Automation implementation must be agreed upon between web browser (UIA server) and screen readers (UIA clients). Unfortunately, according to one screen reader vendor, UI Automation in Edge 79 isn’t solid yet, so one screen reader is resorting to forcefully turning off UIA support in Edge (from screen reader point of view).

As for all sorts of announcements JAWS is making in Edge 79: this is caused by UI Automation notification event (introduced in Windows 10 Fall Creators Update). This event is used by apps to let screen readers announce essential messages. This is how Narrator can announce certain messages, and recent JAWS versions support this event.

For now the workaround (until Microsoft resolves this) is forcefully telling Edge 79 to not expose UI Automation to screen readers. This can be done by:

  1. From Edge 79, go to address omnibox and type “edge://flags” (without quotes and EXACTLY AS SHOWN).
  2. From experiments edit field, type “UI Automation” and press Tab.
  3. From Native UI Automation combo box, choose “disabled” and restart Edge if prompted.

 

I’ll publish more info on a dedicated Windows 10 forum for screen reader users (with updated info on screen readers and their responses) in a few moments.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 4:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: The New Edge not that Great with JAWS Yet.

 

How do I change the settings in edge?  Microsoft help desk says you can’t.  You can just reset or repair it, you cannot turn on or off any settings. I just don’t want edge to ribbit on about things I really don’t need to know such as opening or closing navigations.   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: January 16, 2020 3:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: The New Edge not that Great with JAWS Yet.

 

The new Chromium-based version of Microsoft Edge has worked well with JAWS 2020 in my testing. It’s very similar to Chrome in terms of accessibility.

 

From: <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
Reply-To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Thursday, January 16, 2020 at 17:06
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: The New Edge not that Great with JAWS Yet.

 

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 01:43 PM, Tyler Wood wrote:

Becoming familiar with the web browser and its settings is essential these days since there are so many things to enable or disable. It's also good to have a few browsers at your disposal - for instance, Chrome, edge, and firefox - just in case a website doesn't play nice with one or the other.

It's been essential long before "these days."  Browsers have been vastly configurable for some time now.  What's really nice, though, is that many of them now have a search feature for their settings, not unlike Windows 10 does for system settings.  I generally find it a lot easier to locate what I want with a search, or several searches using different, but related, keywords than to brute force drill down through page after page or tab after tab of settings.  There has also been a tendency to move things around over time, so if you remember what setting it is you want to tweak it's much easier to locate with a search if it's been moved.

Any given tool, including screen readers, occasionally won't "play well" with some given thing when another tool of the same class will.  Having several options, even if you're not 100% fluent with the second and third ones, often makes the difference between success and failure for getting at certain information (and that includes for those of us who are not using screen readers, too).
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Tolerance is the positive and cordial effort to understand another's beliefs, practices, and habits without necessarily sharing or accepting them.

        ~ Joshua Liebman

 

moderated Re: The New Edge not that Great with JAWS Yet.

 

The address bar is the “omnibox” which is what it is called since it is more than just a field where you type in a URL.

So, since you can find the address bar (I still call it that) and apparently typed

 

Edge://flags

 

Correctly since you found experimental flags, you are in the right place.

This UI Automation is in fact one of the experimental flags you have to disable.

If you use Jaws you can simply invoke Jaws Find with Jaws Key + Control + F and type this:

 

UI Auto

 

Press enter and you end up on UI Automation.

Arrow down a couple of times until you are on the combo box where it says “Enabled”, open the combo box and change it to “Disabled”.

Now go to the very bottom of the page and activate “Restart” or you can simply close Edge altogether and open it back up.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 9:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: The New Edge not that Great with JAWS Yet.

 

I must be doing something wrong because there is no way to get to step 2 much less 3.  I copied and pasted step 1 without the quotes in the address bar as I could not find the address omnibox that you mentioned.  All that did was get me to a lot of things unrelated to the topic at hand.  The closest match was to enable experimental flags.  I don’t want to do that. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: January 16, 2020 4:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: The New Edge not that Great with JAWS Yet.

 

Hi,

The issue folks are talking about can be summarized in one way: UI Automation. The following is a bit geeky, so please bear with me:

By default, Edge 79 (beta and stable) enables native UI Automation implementation. This means in order to access content in Edge (Chromium-based, that is), solid UI Automation implementation must be agreed upon between web browser (UIA server) and screen readers (UIA clients). Unfortunately, according to one screen reader vendor, UI Automation in Edge 79 isn’t solid yet, so one screen reader is resorting to forcefully turning off UIA support in Edge (from screen reader point of view).

As for all sorts of announcements JAWS is making in Edge 79: this is caused by UI Automation notification event (introduced in Windows 10 Fall Creators Update). This event is used by apps to let screen readers announce essential messages. This is how Narrator can announce certain messages, and recent JAWS versions support this event.

For now the workaround (until Microsoft resolves this) is forcefully telling Edge 79 to not expose UI Automation to screen readers. This can be done by:

  1. From Edge 79, go to address omnibox and type “edge://flags” (without quotes and EXACTLY AS SHOWN).
  2. From experiments edit field, type “UI Automation” and press Tab.
  3. From Native UI Automation combo box, choose “disabled” and restart Edge if prompted.

 

I’ll publish more info on a dedicated Windows 10 forum for screen reader users (with updated info on screen readers and their responses) in a few moments.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 4:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: The New Edge not that Great with JAWS Yet.

 

How do I change the settings in edge?  Microsoft help desk says you can’t.  You can just reset or repair it, you cannot turn on or off any settings. I just don’t want edge to ribbit on about things I really don’t need to know such as opening or closing navigations.   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: January 16, 2020 3:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: The New Edge not that Great with JAWS Yet.

 

The new Chromium-based version of Microsoft Edge has worked well with JAWS 2020 in my testing. It’s very similar to Chrome in terms of accessibility.

 

From: <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
Reply-To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Thursday, January 16, 2020 at 17:06
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: The New Edge not that Great with JAWS Yet.

 

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 01:43 PM, Tyler Wood wrote:

Becoming familiar with the web browser and its settings is essential these days since there are so many things to enable or disable. It's also good to have a few browsers at your disposal - for instance, Chrome, edge, and firefox - just in case a website doesn't play nice with one or the other.

It's been essential long before "these days."  Browsers have been vastly configurable for some time now.  What's really nice, though, is that many of them now have a search feature for their settings, not unlike Windows 10 does for system settings.  I generally find it a lot easier to locate what I want with a search, or several searches using different, but related, keywords than to brute force drill down through page after page or tab after tab of settings.  There has also been a tendency to move things around over time, so if you remember what setting it is you want to tweak it's much easier to locate with a search if it's been moved.

Any given tool, including screen readers, occasionally won't "play well" with some given thing when another tool of the same class will.  Having several options, even if you're not 100% fluent with the second and third ones, often makes the difference between success and failure for getting at certain information (and that includes for those of us who are not using screen readers, too).
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Tolerance is the positive and cordial effort to understand another's beliefs, practices, and habits without necessarily sharing or accepting them.

        ~ Joshua Liebman

moderated Re: Captcha solving for Edge

netbat66
 

for some captchas, if they are useing the google system you don't need any program at all.
just make sure you have logged into your google account if you have one before you go to the web page . then all you have to do is click on verify and it will by pass the captcha.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 8:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Captcha solving for Edge

Google Chrome cannot solve captchas, the extension mentioned, Rumola, is similar to what Webvisum was for Firefox.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of andrew edgcumbe
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 11:18 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Captcha solving for Edge

i didn't know google crome could solve captya's also is the solving thing actually excessible?

On 1/16/20, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

I really don't understand this infatuation with Edge. If you want a
captcha-solving extension, use Google Chrome instead, the original
Chromium-based browser and download the Rumola extension for solving
captchas:


http://skipinput.com/


Gerald





On 1/16/2020 1:55 PM, Jay wrote:

Hi.

Does anyone know of a captcha solving extension that can be used with
Edge? Any help would be awesome. Thanks.



moderated New Edge

Pastor Gil Pries
 

How do I set my home page with the new edge?

 

Pastor Gil

moderated Re: The New Edge not that Great with JAWS Yet.

David Diamond
 

I must be doing something wrong because there is no way to get to step 2 much less 3.  I copied and pasted step 1 without the quotes in the address bar as I could not find the address omnibox that you mentioned.  All that did was get me to a lot of things unrelated to the topic at hand.  The closest match was to enable experimental flags.  I don’t want to do that. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: January 16, 2020 4:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: The New Edge not that Great with JAWS Yet.

 

Hi,

The issue folks are talking about can be summarized in one way: UI Automation. The following is a bit geeky, so please bear with me:

By default, Edge 79 (beta and stable) enables native UI Automation implementation. This means in order to access content in Edge (Chromium-based, that is), solid UI Automation implementation must be agreed upon between web browser (UIA server) and screen readers (UIA clients). Unfortunately, according to one screen reader vendor, UI Automation in Edge 79 isn’t solid yet, so one screen reader is resorting to forcefully turning off UIA support in Edge (from screen reader point of view).

As for all sorts of announcements JAWS is making in Edge 79: this is caused by UI Automation notification event (introduced in Windows 10 Fall Creators Update). This event is used by apps to let screen readers announce essential messages. This is how Narrator can announce certain messages, and recent JAWS versions support this event.

For now the workaround (until Microsoft resolves this) is forcefully telling Edge 79 to not expose UI Automation to screen readers. This can be done by:

  1. From Edge 79, go to address omnibox and type “edge://flags” (without quotes and EXACTLY AS SHOWN).
  2. From experiments edit field, type “UI Automation” and press Tab.
  3. From Native UI Automation combo box, choose “disabled” and restart Edge if prompted.

 

I’ll publish more info on a dedicated Windows 10 forum for screen reader users (with updated info on screen readers and their responses) in a few moments.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 4:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: The New Edge not that Great with JAWS Yet.

 

How do I change the settings in edge?  Microsoft help desk says you can’t.  You can just reset or repair it, you cannot turn on or off any settings. I just don’t want edge to ribbit on about things I really don’t need to know such as opening or closing navigations.   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: January 16, 2020 3:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: The New Edge not that Great with JAWS Yet.

 

The new Chromium-based version of Microsoft Edge has worked well with JAWS 2020 in my testing. It’s very similar to Chrome in terms of accessibility.

 

From: <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
Reply-To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Thursday, January 16, 2020 at 17:06
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: The New Edge not that Great with JAWS Yet.

 

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 01:43 PM, Tyler Wood wrote:

Becoming familiar with the web browser and its settings is essential these days since there are so many things to enable or disable. It's also good to have a few browsers at your disposal - for instance, Chrome, edge, and firefox - just in case a website doesn't play nice with one or the other.

It's been essential long before "these days."  Browsers have been vastly configurable for some time now.  What's really nice, though, is that many of them now have a search feature for their settings, not unlike Windows 10 does for system settings.  I generally find it a lot easier to locate what I want with a search, or several searches using different, but related, keywords than to brute force drill down through page after page or tab after tab of settings.  There has also been a tendency to move things around over time, so if you remember what setting it is you want to tweak it's much easier to locate with a search if it's been moved.

Any given tool, including screen readers, occasionally won't "play well" with some given thing when another tool of the same class will.  Having several options, even if you're not 100% fluent with the second and third ones, often makes the difference between success and failure for getting at certain information (and that includes for those of us who are not using screen readers, too).
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Tolerance is the positive and cordial effort to understand another's beliefs, practices, and habits without necessarily sharing or accepting them.

        ~ Joshua Liebman

moderated Re: Captcha solving for Edge

 

Google Chrome cannot solve captchas, the extension mentioned, Rumola, is similar to what Webvisum was for Firefox.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of andrew edgcumbe
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 11:18 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Captcha solving for Edge

i didn't know google crome could solve captya's also is the solving thing actually excessible?

On 1/16/20, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

I really don't understand this infatuation with Edge. If you want a
captcha-solving extension, use Google Chrome instead, the original
Chromium-based browser and download the Rumola extension for solving
captchas:


http://skipinput.com/


Gerald





On 1/16/2020 1:55 PM, Jay wrote:

Hi.

Does anyone know of a captcha solving extension that can be used with
Edge? Any help would be awesome. Thanks.



moderated Re: Pc cursor jump's all over the screen in Windows 10 settings screen

Chris Hill
 

Try the touch cursor and see if it works better.  It often does in those sorts of applications.  Frankly, I just don't worry about it, once I've told it to get updates I go do something else.  You're going to get the updates regardless.



On 1/16/2020 21:33, Michael Munn wrote:
Hi all,Hi all, I have a concern and I don't know if that can be resolved.
I recently bought a new laptop and when I finished my activation of the screen reader to this computer, I begin to experience this problem when I'm updating my computer. Every time when I press tab and focus the cursor to the first update, Jaws begin to jump off of it after announcing the first update out of 6 or 7 updates. To make it fair, I unloaded Jaws and loaded NVDA and NVDA seem's don't have this problem. 
Does this issue can be resolved? if so How to do it? 
Hope to hear from you'all.
Best regards 
Michael Munn 

moderated Pc cursor jump's all over the screen in Windows 10 settings screen

Michael Munn
 

Hi all,Hi all, I have a concern and I don't know if that can be resolved.
I recently bought a new laptop and when I finished my activation of the screen reader to this computer, I begin to experience this problem when I'm updating my computer. Every time when I press tab and focus the cursor to the first update, Jaws begin to jump off of it after announcing the first update out of 6 or 7 updates. To make it fair, I unloaded Jaws and loaded NVDA and NVDA seem's don't have this problem. 
Does this issue can be resolved? if so How to do it? 
Hope to hear from you'all.
Best regards 
Michael Munn 

moderated Re: The New Edge not that Great with JAWS Yet.

Melissa Stott
 

Is there a way to turn auto refresh in Microsoft Edge?  I can be on a site, and the page keeps refreshing every couple of seconds.

Thanks.

 

                .                               Melissa

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 7:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: The New Edge not that Great with JAWS Yet.

 

Hi,

The issue folks are talking about can be summarized in one way: UI Automation. The following is a bit geeky, so please bear with me:

By default, Edge 79 (beta and stable) enables native UI Automation implementation. This means in order to access content in Edge (Chromium-based, that is), solid UI Automation implementation must be agreed upon between web browser (UIA server) and screen readers (UIA clients). Unfortunately, according to one screen reader vendor, UI Automation in Edge 79 isn’t solid yet, so one screen reader is resorting to forcefully turning off UIA support in Edge (from screen reader point of view).

As for all sorts of announcements JAWS is making in Edge 79: this is caused by UI Automation notification event (introduced in Windows 10 Fall Creators Update). This event is used by apps to let screen readers announce essential messages. This is how Narrator can announce certain messages, and recent JAWS versions support this event.

For now the workaround (until Microsoft resolves this) is forcefully telling Edge 79 to not expose UI Automation to screen readers. This can be done by:

  1. From Edge 79, go to address omnibox and type “edge://flags” (without quotes and EXACTLY AS SHOWN).
  2. From experiments edit field, type “UI Automation” and press Tab.
  3. From Native UI Automation combo box, choose “disabled” and restart Edge if prompted.

 

I’ll publish more info on a dedicated Windows 10 forum for screen reader users (with updated info on screen readers and their responses) in a few moments.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 4:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: The New Edge not that Great with JAWS Yet.

 

How do I change the settings in edge?  Microsoft help desk says you can’t.  You can just reset or repair it, you cannot turn on or off any settings. I just don’t want edge to ribbit on about things I really don’t need to know such as opening or closing navigations.   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: January 16, 2020 3:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: The New Edge not that Great with JAWS Yet.

 

The new Chromium-based version of Microsoft Edge has worked well with JAWS 2020 in my testing. It’s very similar to Chrome in terms of accessibility.

 

From: <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
Reply-To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Thursday, January 16, 2020 at 17:06
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: The New Edge not that Great with JAWS Yet.

 

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 01:43 PM, Tyler Wood wrote:

Becoming familiar with the web browser and its settings is essential these days since there are so many things to enable or disable. It's also good to have a few browsers at your disposal - for instance, Chrome, edge, and firefox - just in case a website doesn't play nice with one or the other.

It's been essential long before "these days."  Browsers have been vastly configurable for some time now.  What's really nice, though, is that many of them now have a search feature for their settings, not unlike Windows 10 does for system settings.  I generally find it a lot easier to locate what I want with a search, or several searches using different, but related, keywords than to brute force drill down through page after page or tab after tab of settings.  There has also been a tendency to move things around over time, so if you remember what setting it is you want to tweak it's much easier to locate with a search if it's been moved.

Any given tool, including screen readers, occasionally won't "play well" with some given thing when another tool of the same class will.  Having several options, even if you're not 100% fluent with the second and third ones, often makes the difference between success and failure for getting at certain information (and that includes for those of us who are not using screen readers, too).
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Tolerance is the positive and cordial effort to understand another's beliefs, practices, and habits without necessarily sharing or accepting them.

        ~ Joshua Liebman

 

moderated Team Talk Scripts Updated

Mike B
 

Howdy for those that might be interested,
 
JAWS Scripts For TeamTalk 5 Classic
Doug Lee has made some important updates to these scripts and you can get them by clicking on the link below.
 
 
 
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

moderated Re: a strange message when I boot up my computer.

Mike Fulton <mikefulton95@...>
 

It worked for me.  

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io on behalf of Jim Rawls <jazzpiano@...>
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 20:53
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: a strange message when I boot up my computer.
 

Hi Mike, I tried your subscribe link and the message came back as undeliverable. Jim

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 2:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: a strange message when I boot up my computer.

 

Hi Jim,

 

You sent this to the wrong email list.  This one shut down several months ago.  Send your message to the new list below, if you're a member and if not I'll include the subscribe email address so you can join

 

To post a question:

 

To subscribe:

 

 


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----- Original Message -----

From: Jim Rawls

Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 12:37 PM

Subject: a strange message when I boot up my computer.

 

Hi all,

When I boot up  my computer, this is what I hear.

The freedom scientific video disability driver did not install properly. It tells me to reboot up my computer, and do a repair to the driver. When I try to do a repair, it always fails to repair. How do I fix this? I am currently using jaws 2020, latest update. However, it does the same thing when I try jaws 19 or 18as well. I am running windows ten. Any ideas on how to fix this?  and thanks for your help in advance. Jim

moderated Re: a strange message when I boot up my computer.

Jim Rawls
 

Hi Mike, I tried your subscribe link and the message came back as undeliverable. Jim

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 2:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: a strange message when I boot up my computer.

 

Hi Jim,

 

You sent this to the wrong email list.  This one shut down several months ago.  Send your message to the new list below, if you're a member and if not I'll include the subscribe email address so you can join

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: Jim Rawls

Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 12:37 PM

Subject: a strange message when I boot up my computer.

 

Hi all,

When I boot up  my computer, this is what I hear.

The freedom scientific video disability driver did not install properly. It tells me to reboot up my computer, and do a repair to the driver. When I try to do a repair, it always fails to repair. How do I fix this? I am currently using jaws 2020, latest update. However, it does the same thing when I try jaws 19 or 18as well. I am running windows ten. Any ideas on how to fix this?  and thanks for your help in advance. Jim

moderated Re: accessible password managers

Mike Fulton <mikefulton95@...>
 

Thank you, I'll check it out.


On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 5:51 PM Gmail Jonas <jonasvoll@...> wrote:

Hey Mike

, look at this tutorial!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqS9MVEN4QY

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Fulton
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 9:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: accessible password managers

 

Hi all,

 

I'm currently using Chrome to save my passwords and want to move to a dedicated password manager. I'm looking at Last Pass and 1Password. Any feedback on either program would be much appreciated. I am mainly wondering if one is more accessible than the other. I use JAWS on Windows and VoiceOver on iOS. 

 

Thanks,

Mike

 

moderated Re: The New Edge not that Great with JAWS Yet.

 

Hi,

The issue folks are talking about can be summarized in one way: UI Automation. The following is a bit geeky, so please bear with me:

By default, Edge 79 (beta and stable) enables native UI Automation implementation. This means in order to access content in Edge (Chromium-based, that is), solid UI Automation implementation must be agreed upon between web browser (UIA server) and screen readers (UIA clients). Unfortunately, according to one screen reader vendor, UI Automation in Edge 79 isn’t solid yet, so one screen reader is resorting to forcefully turning off UIA support in Edge (from screen reader point of view).

As for all sorts of announcements JAWS is making in Edge 79: this is caused by UI Automation notification event (introduced in Windows 10 Fall Creators Update). This event is used by apps to let screen readers announce essential messages. This is how Narrator can announce certain messages, and recent JAWS versions support this event.

For now the workaround (until Microsoft resolves this) is forcefully telling Edge 79 to not expose UI Automation to screen readers. This can be done by:

  1. From Edge 79, go to address omnibox and type “edge://flags” (without quotes and EXACTLY AS SHOWN).
  2. From experiments edit field, type “UI Automation” and press Tab.
  3. From Native UI Automation combo box, choose “disabled” and restart Edge if prompted.

 

I’ll publish more info on a dedicated Windows 10 forum for screen reader users (with updated info on screen readers and their responses) in a few moments.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 4:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: The New Edge not that Great with JAWS Yet.

 

How do I change the settings in edge?  Microsoft help desk says you can’t.  You can just reset or repair it, you cannot turn on or off any settings. I just don’t want edge to ribbit on about things I really don’t need to know such as opening or closing navigations.   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: January 16, 2020 3:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: The New Edge not that Great with JAWS Yet.

 

The new Chromium-based version of Microsoft Edge has worked well with JAWS 2020 in my testing. It’s very similar to Chrome in terms of accessibility.

 

From: <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
Reply-To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Thursday, January 16, 2020 at 17:06
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: The New Edge not that Great with JAWS Yet.

 

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 01:43 PM, Tyler Wood wrote:

Becoming familiar with the web browser and its settings is essential these days since there are so many things to enable or disable. It's also good to have a few browsers at your disposal - for instance, Chrome, edge, and firefox - just in case a website doesn't play nice with one or the other.

It's been essential long before "these days."  Browsers have been vastly configurable for some time now.  What's really nice, though, is that many of them now have a search feature for their settings, not unlike Windows 10 does for system settings.  I generally find it a lot easier to locate what I want with a search, or several searches using different, but related, keywords than to brute force drill down through page after page or tab after tab of settings.  There has also been a tendency to move things around over time, so if you remember what setting it is you want to tweak it's much easier to locate with a search if it's been moved.

Any given tool, including screen readers, occasionally won't "play well" with some given thing when another tool of the same class will.  Having several options, even if you're not 100% fluent with the second and third ones, often makes the difference between success and failure for getting at certain information (and that includes for those of us who are not using screen readers, too).
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Tolerance is the positive and cordial effort to understand another's beliefs, practices, and habits without necessarily sharing or accepting them.

        ~ Joshua Liebman