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Re: About to go to Windows 7 -- Arrgh!

Don Wardlow <wardlows97@...>
 

XP Pro will be more familiar, if your job will let you use it instead.
Some jobs, particularly work-at-home jobs, won't allow Windows 7 at all, so I'm surprised your job is suggesting you go that treacherous route.
I don't love 7, XP was just fine.

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 5:50 PM
To: JFW Mailing List
Subject: About to go to Windows 7 -- Arrgh!

I may be soon migrating (disassociating?) to Windows 7 on my work machine as
it's time for a new laptop. Do any of you feel it incumbent to stop me
before I do something regretful? I do have the option of having my new
laptop fitted with XP Pro, 32-bit. Henceforth my request for your sage
advice, everyone.

Dave Carlson
Written with grammatical care, punctuation, and capitalization because I
care about readers of my mail. From my soon-to-not-be Dell Latitude 630 in
the general vicinity of my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco
Bay Area.


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Re: About to go to Windows 7 -- Arrgh!

Lisa D Porter <lisaporter429@...>
 

Hi,
I've been using 7 for almost a year and don't really notice many differences between it and Vista. I really like it aside from a few things I wish I could find out how to do. And, this is said from the lady that came into Windows from Unix kicking and screaming. LOL I think you'd be OK with 7 unless you use a lot of old programs that aren't compatible with it. I've only found one that I couldn't find a good replacement yet for.
Good luck and email me privately if you need or want any help.
Lisa D Porter
lisaporter429@...

On 7/15/2011 5:50 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:
I may be soon migrating (disassociating?) to Windows 7 on my work machine as
it's time for a new laptop. Do any of you feel it incumbent to stop me
before I do something regretful? I do have the option of having my new
laptop fitted with XP Pro, 32-bit. Henceforth my request for your sage
advice, everyone.

Dave Carlson
Written with grammatical care, punctuation, and capitalization because I
care about readers of my mail. From my soon-to-not-be Dell Latitude 630 in
the general vicinity of my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco
Bay Area.


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Re: researchIt and Job-Access-With-Speech (JAWS)

Dave Durber
 

Dorothy:

Dan Clark is also sighted and knows and uses JAWS the way we do.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dorothy" <dorothy.ingram-gorban@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 4:58 PM
Subject: RE: researchIt and Job-Access-With-Speech (JAWS)


interesting response, do you know if dan clark is sighted or not? re Eric,
it took a bright young man named wil pearson to solve atough question, or
rather I should say explain why eric's suggestions could not work, and
another person named Bryan carver director of technical support say why it
would not and could notb e fixed,but it took a long time to get any answer,
a director called Lee Hamilton listened to me ran tests and in the end
Bryan carver telephoned me so do not be afraid to go to the top, mind you it
took persistance, and you will not be popular for doing it thanks dorothy!
, and you may not be populare

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Dave Scrimenti
Sent: 15 July 2011 21:01
To: Dave Durber; The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: researchIt and Job-Access-With-Speech (JAWS)

I can validate that. I've had a couple conversations with Eric trying to
solve problems that tech support and John Carson couldn't solve, and he does

know his way around Jaws like a blind person. The old phrase, "those who can

do, and those who can't teach" is idiotic. Unless you can do something, and
do it well, you're not qualified to teach.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: researchIt and Job-Access-With-Speech (JAWS)


Chris and everyone:

Eric Damery is not blind. He is sighted.

Having said that, unlike so many sighted people who attempt to train
visually impaired people to use JAWS, Eric knows as nuch, if not more
about JAWS than anyone, plus, he can use JAWS without a monitor.

I have seen Eric, walk into a room where there are a number of peple using
JAWS, assess what they are doing and, within a few seconds, even though
there are no monitores turned on, he can tell which of them are having
problems and what they are.

I have been at demonstrations of JAWS, where Eric has stood or sat along
side or behind the monitor, and not been able to see what the monitor is
displaying, yet, giving an excellent demonstration on how to use JAWS.

Several years ago, during a visit to the UK, I met someone there who is
sighted and who claimed to be able to train visually impaired people to
use JAWS. I asked them, if they could use JAWS in the same way that a
person who has no sight at all or who has limited vision would have to do,
that is without a monitor. When this person said that they could not, I
said that, in my opinion, they were not qualified to teach JAWS to any
visually impaired person, because they had not even made the attempt to
try and use a computer without a monitor. I went on to say that they
might be able to teach the commands but, unless they could use JAWS in the
same way as a user of JAWS would have to do, they had no street
credibility and, to use an American saying, "nice try, but no cigar". I
pointed out that what they were doing was no different, than a person who
had no sight at all and, with no experience, attempting to teach someone
who had sight to drive a car.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Smart" <csmart8@...>
To: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@...>; "The Jaws for Windows
support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: researchIt and Job-Access-With-Speech (JAWS)


Thanks Dave. Yeah, may as well go right to the top. :)

Just curious, is he blind and an actual user of the product? That always
helps too.

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About to go to Windows 7 -- Arrgh!

Dave...
 

I may be soon migrating (disassociating?) to Windows 7 on my work machine as
it's time for a new laptop. Do any of you feel it incumbent to stop me
before I do something regretful? I do have the option of having my new
laptop fitted with XP Pro, 32-bit. Henceforth my request for your sage
advice, everyone.

Dave Carlson
Written with grammatical care, punctuation, and capitalization because I
care about readers of my mail. From my soon-to-not-be Dell Latitude 630 in
the general vicinity of my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco
Bay Area.

Re: [Bulk] JAWS not reading message in windows live mail

Nermin
 

Hi Dave,

Outlook Express cannot be installed on Win7, what this person hears is a list view mistakenly classified as "OUtlook express message list", must be somewhere in the JAWS scripts. I get that too when I arrow up and down my messages, but not regularly and I cannot even reproduce it.
I just learnt to ignore it.
Regards,

Nermin

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From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@...>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 10:45 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Subject: Re: [Bulk] JAWS not reading message in windows live mail

Jimmy,

Sounds like having Outlook Express on that machine is confusing things. It
needs to be removed, since it does not run on Windows 7 (or so I've been
told).

Dave Carlson
Written with grammatical care, punctuation, and capitalization because I
care about readers of my mail. From my Dell Latitude 630 in the general
vicinity of my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jimmy Jones" <jawsstudent@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 11:22
Subject: [Bulk] JAWS not reading message in windows live mail


Good afternoon,



I am trying to help someone with WLM. She has been reading her mail with
JAWS 12 but today although WLM shows the message list it doesn't read the
message when it is opened.



I noticed that when she opens WLM JAWS says something about outlook Express.
She tells me she had programs from her old computer transferred to her new
window seven, but that was some time ago.



Thanks for any help you can provide.



Jimmy



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Re: researchIt and Job-Access-With-Speech (JAWS)

Dorothy <dorothy.ingram-gorban@...>
 

interesting response, do you know if dan clark is sighted or not? re Eric,
it took a bright young man named wil pearson to solve atough question, or
rather I should say explain why eric's suggestions could not work, and
another person named Bryan carver director of technical support say why it
would not and could notb e fixed,but it took a long time to get any answer,
a director called Lee Hamilton listened to me ran tests and in the end
Bryan carver telephoned me so do not be afraid to go to the top, mind you it
took persistance, and you will not be popular for doing it thanks dorothy!
, and you may not be populare

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Dave Scrimenti
Sent: 15 July 2011 21:01
To: Dave Durber; The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: researchIt and Job-Access-With-Speech (JAWS)

I can validate that. I've had a couple conversations with Eric trying to
solve problems that tech support and John Carson couldn't solve, and he does

know his way around Jaws like a blind person. The old phrase, "those who can

do, and those who can't teach" is idiotic. Unless you can do something, and
do it well, you're not qualified to teach.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: researchIt and Job-Access-With-Speech (JAWS)


Chris and everyone:

Eric Damery is not blind. He is sighted.

Having said that, unlike so many sighted people who attempt to train
visually impaired people to use JAWS, Eric knows as nuch, if not more
about JAWS than anyone, plus, he can use JAWS without a monitor.

I have seen Eric, walk into a room where there are a number of peple using
JAWS, assess what they are doing and, within a few seconds, even though
there are no monitores turned on, he can tell which of them are having
problems and what they are.

I have been at demonstrations of JAWS, where Eric has stood or sat along
side or behind the monitor, and not been able to see what the monitor is
displaying, yet, giving an excellent demonstration on how to use JAWS.

Several years ago, during a visit to the UK, I met someone there who is
sighted and who claimed to be able to train visually impaired people to
use JAWS. I asked them, if they could use JAWS in the same way that a
person who has no sight at all or who has limited vision would have to do,
that is without a monitor. When this person said that they could not, I
said that, in my opinion, they were not qualified to teach JAWS to any
visually impaired person, because they had not even made the attempt to
try and use a computer without a monitor. I went on to say that they
might be able to teach the commands but, unless they could use JAWS in the
same way as a user of JAWS would have to do, they had no street
credibility and, to use an American saying, "nice try, but no cigar". I
pointed out that what they were doing was no different, than a person who
had no sight at all and, with no experience, attempting to teach someone
who had sight to drive a car.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Smart" <csmart8@...>
To: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@...>; "The Jaws for Windows
support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: researchIt and Job-Access-With-Speech (JAWS)


Thanks Dave. Yeah, may as well go right to the top. :)

Just curious, is he blind and an actual user of the product? That always
helps too.

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Re: [Bulk] JAWS not reading message in windows live mail

Dave...
 

Jimmy,

Sounds like having Outlook Express on that machine is confusing things. It
needs to be removed, since it does not run on Windows 7 (or so I've been
told).

Dave Carlson
Written with grammatical care, punctuation, and capitalization because I
care about readers of my mail. From my Dell Latitude 630 in the general
vicinity of my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jimmy Jones" <jawsstudent@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 11:22
Subject: [Bulk] JAWS not reading message in windows live mail


Good afternoon,



I am trying to help someone with WLM. She has been reading her mail with
JAWS 12 but today although WLM shows the message list it doesn't read the
message when it is opened.



I noticed that when she opens WLM JAWS says something about outlook Express.
She tells me she had programs from her old computer transferred to her new
window seven, but that was some time ago.



Thanks for any help you can provide.



Jimmy



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Re: researchIt and Job-Access-With-Speech (JAWS)

Dave Scrimenti <dscrimenti@...>
 

I can validate that. I've had a couple conversations with Eric trying to solve problems that tech support and John Carson couldn't solve, and he does know his way around Jaws like a blind person. The old phrase, "those who can do, and those who can't teach" is idiotic. Unless you can do something, and do it well, you're not qualified to teach.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: researchIt and Job-Access-With-Speech (JAWS)


Chris and everyone:

Eric Damery is not blind. He is sighted.

Having said that, unlike so many sighted people who attempt to train visually impaired people to use JAWS, Eric knows as nuch, if not more about JAWS than anyone, plus, he can use JAWS without a monitor.

I have seen Eric, walk into a room where there are a number of peple using JAWS, assess what they are doing and, within a few seconds, even though there are no monitores turned on, he can tell which of them are having problems and what they are.

I have been at demonstrations of JAWS, where Eric has stood or sat along side or behind the monitor, and not been able to see what the monitor is displaying, yet, giving an excellent demonstration on how to use JAWS.

Several years ago, during a visit to the UK, I met someone there who is sighted and who claimed to be able to train visually impaired people to use JAWS. I asked them, if they could use JAWS in the same way that a person who has no sight at all or who has limited vision would have to do, that is without a monitor. When this person said that they could not, I said that, in my opinion, they were not qualified to teach JAWS to any visually impaired person, because they had not even made the attempt to try and use a computer without a monitor. I went on to say that they might be able to teach the commands but, unless they could use JAWS in the same way as a user of JAWS would have to do, they had no street credibility and, to use an American saying, "nice try, but no cigar". I pointed out that what they were doing was no different, than a person who had no sight at all and, with no experience, attempting to teach someone who had sight to drive a car.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Smart" <csmart8@...>
To: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@...>; "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: researchIt and Job-Access-With-Speech (JAWS)


Thanks Dave. Yeah, may as well go right to the top. :)

Just curious, is he blind and an actual user of the product? That always helps too.

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Re: what's this other jaws list that someone forwarded an email from EricDamary called and where can one find out more info on it?

Mike & Barbara In Arcadia <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi Daniel,

It is another list for Jaws users & a very good one. Click on the link
below to subscribe. Put , subscribe, in the subject field, put nothing in
the edit field & send.

jaws-users-list-join@...


The link below is the link for sending messages to the list.


jaws-users-list@... (Default E-Mail)

Hope this helps. Take care.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Daniel McGee
To: jfw@...
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 12:32 PM
Subject: what's this other jaws list that someone forwarded an email from
EricDamary called and where can one find out more info on it?


Hi all, subject says it all.
I thought there was just this list and the UK one.
Thanks
Daniel
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Re: researchIt and Job-Access-With-Speech (JAWS)

Dave Durber
 

Chris and everyone:

Eric Damery is not blind. He is sighted.

Having said that, unlike so many sighted people who attempt to train visually impaired people to use JAWS, Eric knows as nuch, if not more about JAWS than anyone, plus, he can use JAWS without a monitor.

I have seen Eric, walk into a room where there are a number of peple using JAWS, assess what they are doing and, within a few seconds, even though there are no monitores turned on, he can tell which of them are having problems and what they are.

I have been at demonstrations of JAWS, where Eric has stood or sat along side or behind the monitor, and not been able to see what the monitor is displaying, yet, giving an excellent demonstration on how to use JAWS.

Several years ago, during a visit to the UK, I met someone there who is sighted and who claimed to be able to train visually impaired people to use JAWS. I asked them, if they could use JAWS in the same way that a person who has no sight at all or who has limited vision would have to do, that is without a monitor. When this person said that they could not, I said that, in my opinion, they were not qualified to teach JAWS to any visually impaired person, because they had not even made the attempt to try and use a computer without a monitor. I went on to say that they might be able to teach the commands but, unless they could use JAWS in the same way as a user of JAWS would have to do, they had no street credibility and, to use an American saying, "nice try, but no cigar". I pointed out that what they were doing was no different, than a person who had no sight at all and, with no experience, attempting to teach someone who had sight to drive a car.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Smart" <csmart8@...>
To: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@...>; "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: researchIt and Job-Access-With-Speech (JAWS)


Thanks Dave. Yeah, may as well go right to the top. :)

Just curious, is he blind and an actual user of the product? That always helps too.

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what's this other jaws list that someone forwarded an email from Eric Damary called and where can one find out more info on it?

Daniel McGee <venables134@...>
 

Hi all, subject says it all.
I thought there was just this list and the UK one.
Thanks
Daniel
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Re: researchIt and Job-Access-With-Speech (JAWS)

Daniel McGee <venables134@...>
 

Hi Chris, that's ok after sending my message and doing an F5 to recieve more mail, I notice an email from Dave and he mentioned Eric to you. So I put two and two together and figured it out.
Daniel

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From: "Chris Smart" <csmart8@...>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 6:12 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Subject: Re: researchIt and Job-Access-With-Speech (JAWS)

At 12:28 PM 7/15/2011, you wrote:
Hello Chris and Dave, point taken I'll try not to ramble on in future. Also I'll try and think about punctuation and spelling as well.

Chris in case you were refering to me, the answer is yes I am a user of Jaws wouldn't be able to use my computer without it.
Uh no, I was talking about Eric.

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Re: Upgrade Adobe Flash Dialog?

Dave Scrimenti <dscrimenti@...>
 

I respectfully disagree. Developers, understandably, aren't going to consider accessibility when designing sites. And if they do, probably won't know how to implement it. Flash needs to be automatically accessible unless the developer purposely overrides it. Developers shouldn't have to go out of their way to design accessible Flash. And since Adobe can't even make an accessible installer, how good do you think Flash is out of the box?This is not to mention all its other problems. It was, for a long time, the most hacked piece of software until that dubious distinction was taken by Java, another pile of crap. It's full of bugs that cause many computer crashes, etc.

----- Original Message -----
From: <ckrugman@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support mailing list" <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 4:40 AM
Subject: Re: Upgrade Adobe Flash Dialog?


yes, as a whole the problem with accessibility isn't Flash itself its those who don't know how to properly make web sites accessible with Flash or those who develop web sites that cut corners or who are more concerned with making the site look cutesy.
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "inthane" <inthaneelf@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support mailing list" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: Upgrade Adobe Flash Dialog?


and if your willing to slow down there are buttons such as pause/play that are accessible, are useable and work fine,

I didn't say adobe was perfect did I, you people are just so damn touchy it's ridiculous, fact is flash is out here, fact is that parts of many of them, not all, but many are accessible, fact is that if your going to shop for many things on the internet your going to deal with flash which has accessible components, or Microsoft's silverlight which although it's accessibility is improving is still behind flashes as far as I have ever seen, and its popularity is so low that I have flash, but no silverlight on my machine, why, because no one I deal with uses it as of yet.

some more info for you, there are accessible games up on the audio-games website that are made out of... guess what! flash and nothing but flash, guess what, when I was looking at a long list of guide dog sites, as prospective customers for a game company I was working with, I found one large one on the east coast that had a fully accessible flash presentation on it!

guess what, flash can be as accessible as the generators of the sites wish... stress that last word, W! I! S! H! to make it, if you don't like there setup go complain to them, it can be done dude.

any more smart ... remarks neighbor?

have a pleasant day!
inthane
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support mailing list" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 5:12 AM
Subject: RE: Upgrade Adobe Flash Dialog?


Amen! I saw an example of this not half an hour ago. Then there are
the online courses one is supposed to take, but cannot, because you
can't get the darn thing off the dime. The screen is scrolling like mad
(even sighted colleagues have trouble keeping up with it) but you're not
hearing a thing. I have the option of excising the player from my home
machine, and may do it yet, especially if I have assurance it won't mess
up AR, which works reasonably well most of the time on that machine.

I guess it's all relative. I heard such glowing reports of FoxIt, I
tried installing it. Needless to say, it wouldn't read text at all, and
I was back using AR in no time flat.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Dave Scrimenti
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 11:30 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
Subject: Re: Upgrade Adobe Flash Dialog?

If you want reality, here's some. Most Flash sites are less accessible
than
nonflash sites. That's not bitching, that's fact. You may find it very
useful to hear Jaws say: unlabeled 1 button, unlabeled 6 button,
unlabeled
34 button, etc etc etc, but we mere mortals find it a bit cryptic. Then
of
course there's the inability to rewind or forward a clip in YouTube with
the
seekslider bar, which Jaws can announce, but not activate. By the way, I
can
fast forward and rewind YouTube clips on my iPod that doesn't use Flash.
And
my favorite is when Jaws says: flash movie start, then on the very next
line
says: flash movie end. Sighted people have assured me there are things
there, but Jaws can't see them at all; not even a stupid unlabeled 4
button.
Great access.
----- Original Message -----
From: "inthane" <inthaneelf@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support mailing list" <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 9:09 PM
Subject: Re: Upgrade Adobe Flash Dialog?


strange I'm running windows XP and jaws 11, and have had little to no
problems with adobe products.

I use both acrobat and the flash player on a regular basis and both
run
and although that "new" updater is not as friendly as there old one,
adobe
has been working with and on accessibility for years, dose of reality
folks.

If they have stopped caring so much, its probably due to wining and
bitching by group('s) of people who can only see what they can't do
yet,
instead of what they have done for us!

laters,
inthane
. Moderator, Blind Access Help.
. Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
"own the might and majesty of an alacorn"
www.alacorncomputer.com
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From: "Dave Scrimenti" <dscrimenti@...>
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Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: Upgrade Adobe Flash Dialog?


The humor was not too much. In fact, it was only a slight
exaggeration of
the truth. Flash, and Adobe generally is garbage. Steve Jobs won't
even
allow Flash on any of Apple's i devices, and claims it's the cause of
most crashes on the Mac. I have been able to get it installed by
always
hitting the I buttons, and avoiding the Q buttons. But in the future,
I
think I'll try http://updateflash.org/
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Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: Upgrade Adobe Flash Dialog?


Maybe I can shed some very little light.
I can see a little, so that is the only part that can help.
Because this Adobe update thing, man, it seems like every other rain
or
shine day there is another very important update from Adobe. Right?
It drives me crazy. I wish I could figure out a way to not have to
be
bothered with it.

I just did the update again this morning or yesterday so maybe I can
reconstruct it.

Well the first thing, after you say, "Sure, okay, to the prompt, and
you
load the Adobe installer, there is a dialog comes up and of course
nothing talks, except a poorly labeled button that maybe says hey I
am a
button.

Well, the "Install" button, JAWS will say most of the time, the
letter
for the button hotkey. The letter I.

And yes, that does stand for Install.

But. Yes, but. Before you press the I button, you need to have
put
the check in the check box.
None of that text reads at all. But for me, sometimes JAWS will say
checkbox. So I just tab to it, hit SPACE to check the box.
Then TAB again to the button.

BTW, the check box text says something like you agree that even
though
JAWS will never work right with Adobe, that you will use it and
faithfully update it and never complain, or at least not complain
too
loudly.

Sorry. You know, I was kidding, right? But it is the usual text,
that
"I agree to these terms," etc. Like swearing with your hand on the
good
book, I guess.

But anyway, this check box thing, you have to have it checked in
order
for the INSTALL button to go to the next step and for the update to
work.

After you press the INSTALL button, then a new box comes up with the
progress bar and the update does its important work.
And then there is another dialog box sitting there, with the button
to
finish. And it has the word DONE on it. But of course the HOTKEY
is
still the good old letter I that we just had for the Install button
in
the previous box. And this is where I usually would be getting
lost,
because nothing like the successful update text reads at all.
Unless I
go and grab the JAWS cursor, that is.

Hitting that Done button closes the dialog box and Adobe won't be
back
usually for at least 24 hours, when you get to once again update
your
ever highly essential Adobe Flash Player.

I am sorry if my sarcastic humor was too much. But I do hope that
some
of that explanation was helpful, and at least mostly accurate.

Thanks.
Rik




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JAWS not reading message in windows live mail

Jimmy Jones
 

Good afternoon,



I am trying to help someone with WLM. She has been reading her mail with
JAWS 12 but today although WLM shows the message list it doesn't read the
message when it is opened.



I noticed that when she opens WLM JAWS says something about outlook Express.
She tells me she had programs from her old computer transferred to her new
window seven, but that was some time ago.



Thanks for any help you can provide.



Jimmy



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Re: researchIt and Job-Access-With-Speech (JAWS)

Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
 

At 12:28 PM 7/15/2011, you wrote:
Hello Chris and Dave, point taken I'll try not to ramble on in future. Also I'll try and think about punctuation and spelling as well.

Chris in case you were refering to me, the answer is yes I am a user of Jaws wouldn't be able to use my computer without it.
Uh no, I was talking about Eric.

Re: researchIt and Job-Access-With-Speech (JAWS)

Adrian Spratt
 

No, Chris, he isn't, but to his credit, I understand he tests how JAWS
works with other applications blindfolded or in some other way without
looking.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 11:22 AM
To: Farfar on Laptop; The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: researchIt and Job-Access-With-Speech (JAWS)

Thanks Dave. Yeah, may as well go right to the top. :)

Just curious, is he blind and an actual user of the product? That
always helps too.


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Re: researchIt and Job-Access-With-Speech (JAWS)

Daniel McGee <venables134@...>
 

Hello Chris and Dave, point taken I'll try not to ramble on in future. Also I'll try and think about punctuation and spelling as well.

Chris in case you were refering to me, the answer is yes I am a user of Jaws wouldn't be able to use my computer without it.


Daniel

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From: "Chris Smart" <csmart8@...>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 4:21 PM
To: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@...>; "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Subject: Re: researchIt and Job-Access-With-Speech (JAWS)

Thanks Dave. Yeah, may as well go right to the top. :)

Just curious, is he blind and an actual user of the product? That always helps too.

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Re: researchIt and Job-Access-With-Speech (JAWS)

Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
 

Thanks Dave. Yeah, may as well go right to the top. :)

Just curious, is he blind and an actual user of the product? That always helps too.

Re: researchIt and Job-Access-With-Speech (JAWS)

Dave...
 

Chris,

I suggest sending to the author of the announcement message we saw
yesterday -- Eric Damrey. I've included him in the TO: header above for your
convenience.

Dave Carlson
Composed on a Dell Latitude 630 in the general vicinity of my Audio
Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Smart" <csmart8@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 8:10
Subject: RE: researchIt and Job-Access-With-Speech (JAWS)


Hi folks,
Regarding our opinions on what we'd like to see in future versions
of Jaws, where should we send our opinions, besides the general
support address? Is there someone we can contact directly who
isn't a front-line tech support person?

Chris


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Re: researchIt and Job-Access-With-Speech (JAWS)

Dave...
 

Daniel,

I think I agree with your points, but reading your message I ran out of
breath and passed out on the floor, wondering where your and, and, and, and,
and run-on fragments were going to finally end.

Seriously and aside from grammar, send your concerns, along with some full
stops to support@...

And don't forget the dot in dot com. [full stop]

Dave Carlson
Composed on a Dell Latitude 630 in the general vicinity of my Audio
Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel McGee" <venables134@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 8:03
Subject: Re: researchIt and Job-Access-With-Speech (JAWS)


Hi guys, I agree to. Programmes for a start like updating the parts for
firefox for those who like using it, and for thoes who use live mail the
part where one replys to a mail still isn't proaply working cos I still have
to turn off the virtual viewer it doesn't bovver me but I am thinking for
those who will come to use the programme in the future and for some of those
jaws users it might be new to jaws and when they suddenly find out that when
replying to a message and hear the two popping sounds and start typing well
they will be out of luck and for the newbies they might of not of even heard
of the virtual curser and therefore be misled thinking oh I can't reply to
this person and might automaticly asume that ok this programme is
inaccessible with jaws. Do you all see what I mean?
Thanks
Daniel

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From: "Bissett, Tom" <tom.bissett@...>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 3:03 PM
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Subject: RE: researchIt and Job-Access-With-Speech (JAWS)

As another grandpa I just want to put in my two cents. I agree that
things like researchit may be nice for a lot of people and maybe for a
few people find it useful on the job but personally I would like them to
go back to producing a good stable product.
This "now it work and now it doesn't" puts a huge strain on people in the
workplace and the workplace is tough enough as it is.
If it worked in one version and not in the next FS should be clear about
what they are doing. Are they supporting this or they not. If they are
not going to support a product they should be up front about and announce
it publicly not just jerk every one around.
I have been a long time user of jaws and I actually like the product I
just think SF needs to adjust their attitude and priorities.

Tom Bisset

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From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Cy Selfridge
Sent: July 14, 2011 10:26 PM
To: 'Farfar on Laptop'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: researchIt and Job-Access-With-Speech (JAWS)

Hi Grampa,
I agree that FS should get Excel and Access up and working first then play
with ReasearchIt.
Now, in all fairness, I do like the ReasearchIt function and use them
daily but I would much rather be able to get to Access.
Cy, Another Grampa.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 2:57 PM
To: Eric Damrey
Cc: JFW Mailing List
Subject: Fw: researchIt and Job-Access-With-Speech (JAWS)

Hello Eric,

I received this announcement from you on our list, shared by one of our
subscribers. I wonder why you didn't post a similar message on our list?
Jfw@...

Also my inputs do not lean in the direction that you are suggesting in
your
message. I for one would much rather FS focus on getting JAWS more stable
with critical applications than to further do repairs on ResearchIt
capability to harvest sports scores.

I have written to FS Support on a number of occasions on bugs that have
cropped up in various versions of JAWS, most notably in JAWS 12 where the
update after 12.0.525 caused Excel 2007 to crash. I reported this and the
"fix" did not work at all. I've continued to stick with 12.0.525 as a
result
so I can get my work done.

Further I've pointed out that the implementation of the virtual ribbon in
Excel, Word, and Outlook is flawed and inconsistent w/r the QAT. In Excel
the QAT works differently in virtual ribbon mode than with Outlook and
Word.
Moreover a few key Excel JAWS shortcuts were removed (intentionally?
accidentally?) from the .JKM file in version 12 so that I could no longer
read the top 4 column cells. Those keystrokes were given over to the QAT,
I
believed. I had to copy the script functions from a JAWS 11 .JSS filed and
paste into the JAWS 12 file and recompile, and then reassign the
Ctrl+Shift+1, 2, 3, and 4 keys.

That type of work should not have been necessary for the end user to do.

I am so imbued with the strength of using the QAT that I keep the virtual
ribbon turned off now. I continue to improve on using the ribbon and only
turn on VR when I just can't find a function. Then it's off again.

I think FS needs to take a long look with a wide perspective, on the
Office
applications, the QAT, and the VR to come up with a consistent approach to
having them all work together, and all work the same.

Thanks for listening.

Dave Carlson
Composed on a Dell Latitude 630 in the general vicinity of my Audio
Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area.

----- Original Message -----
From: jaws-users-list-bounces@...
[mailto:jaws-users-list-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Eric Damery
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 1:38 PM
To: jaws-users-list@...
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS updated, regarding the MLB problems in
Research It

Greetings all,

Nobody is more disappointed to have lost the MLB option in Research It
more
than I am. Especially when you consider the tight race in the American
League East where my Sox are doing battle once again with the Yanks and
the
Rays. Anyway, here is the scoop on what has happened.
About a week or 10 days ago, ESPN made modifications to how they expose
sports results in an effort to block many different products that had been
tapping into ESPN to get the info in real time and display it. We believe
this was done in an effort to get more organizations to purchase access to
the data and prevent anyone from getting it otherwise. This will not only
impact MLB on Research It, but all of the sports.

We have been investigating the MLB site itself and many other places like
YAHOO but so far, have not found any site that exposes the information
away
that will work. We are also reaching out to ESPN and trying to explain who
we are and what we are doing in order to see if we can get them to work
with
us. If any of you who use Research It to get access to daily scores would
be
willing, please write to them at:
https://r.espn.go.com/members/contact/index

Please be polite and remember, they are not targeting JAWS and Research It
when they make these changes. It would be helpful to explain to them how
beneficial it has been to use Research It in order to get the scores and
schedules without having to weed through all the extra information
presented
on very busy web pages. I'm sure that together, we can all work this out
and
FS will get this fixed and working again as quickly as possible.

Regards,
Eric Damery
www.freedomscientific.com

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Mike Mote
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 10:02 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: research isn't clicking the full forecast link in weather.

Ken, I talked with someone from FS about the MLB scores feature not
working,
and they told me that ESPN was going to charge them to continue using
them,
so they are now looking for someone else. They say they're working on
fixing the problem, but the scores feature hasn't worked in a month now.
Doesn't appear they're in a big hurry.
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 11:50 AM
Subject: research isn't clicking the full forecast link in weather.


Hi list, for the last few days I can't get research it to click the full
forecast link in weather. also am not getting to read MLB scores. it
says clearly type using the Date in a dd/mm/yyy format but it is saying
research it found now results. Now that newsline is using the ticker on
the AP feed it's easier to use research it. any ideas?
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