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moderated FW: [win10] Edge 79: if your screen reader is having trouble working with web content shown in Edge...

 

 

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 10:25 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [win10] Edge 79: if your screen reader is having trouble working with web content shown in Edge... #ChromiumEdge

 

Hi all,

 

Someone reported on JFW list (hosted on Groups.IO) that the user cannot interact with certain web content displayed in Edge 79 beta, along with a thread on Win10 forum about inability to interact with web content shown in Edge with other screen readers. This issue can be traced to the fact that, in Edge 79 (upcoming stable version), UI Automation is enabled (several reports were sent to Microsoft about this issue). Unfortunately, as an NVDA core developer (not me) notes, UIA implementation in Chromium-based web browsers (including Edge) isn’t solid yet.

 

To work around this for now, you need to disable UIA support in Edge and other Chromium-based web browsers (if your browser exposes this option). To do so in Edge 79:

 

  1. Start new Microsoft Edge (not the old one).
  2. From address omnibox (Alt+D), type “edge://flags” (without quotes and as exactly as shown) and press Enter.
  3. Type “UI Automation” into “search flags” and press Tab to move through resulting content (no, DO NOT PRESS ENTER AFTER TYPING FLAGS!).
  4. Go to “Native UI Automation” combo box and select “disabled”.
  5. Press Tab to go to “Restart” button and click it.

 

Screen reader specifics:

 

  • Narrator: supports native UI Automation
  • JAWS: works better with native UI Automation off
  • NVDA: works better with UI Automation off and a fix is being developed
  • Other screen readers: contact vendors

 

Cheers,

Joseph

moderated Re: ISO someone who writes Jaws scripts

Rayn Darren
 

Thank you so much for the suggestions David! I've reached out to Brian already actually and he's busy until March. :). I'll see what the others have to offer though.

Thanks again,

Sarah

On 1/12/2020 12:01 AM, David Goldfield wrote:
For customized JAWS script writing I highly recommend Brian Hartgen, <www.hartgen.org> who is just amazing.

You can also contact Level Access <https://www.levelaccess.com/solutions/services/access-world-class-assistive-technology-scripting-expertise/> as well as the Paciello Group.<http://www.flying-blind.com/ads2019/09192019/index.html>


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David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org<http://WWW.DavidGoldfield.org>

On 1/10/2020 11:57 AM, Rayn Darren wrote:
HI Sieghard,

Will do, thank you so much!

Sarah

On 1/10/2020 8:56 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
You could contact Brian Hartgen from Hartgen Consultancy<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hartgen.org%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C613d1841d00b4e83e24008d795ee3dc6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637142722772780854&amp;sdata=MHezIWISODf%2F9ePGHMoRdixkTMzpgzcbFJQJxCJR9rM%3D&amp;reserved=0><https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hartgen.org%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C613d1841d00b4e83e24008d795ee3dc6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637142722772780854&amp;sdata=MHezIWISODf%2F9ePGHMoRdixkTMzpgzcbFJQJxCJR9rM%3D&amp;reserved=0>, he's probably as good as they get.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io><mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rayn Darren
Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: ISO someone who writes Jaws scripts



Hi all,



I have a client who's looking for a particular script to be written for Jaws, he has 2020. This script needs to announce the numbers as they change in a stock ticker. These are updated in real time. If anyone could help with inof on this I'd really appreciate it.



Thanks in advance,



Sarah















moderated Re: ISO someone who writes Jaws scripts

Rayn Darren
 

Thanks for the suggestion Rod!

On 1/12/2020 4:52 AM, Rod wrote:
Jackie McBride on this list is also superb and talented. You can’t go wrong with her.



Rod Alcidonis, Esq.


From: David Goldfield
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 3:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: ISO someone who writes Jaws scripts

For customized JAWS script writing I highly recommend Brian Hartgen, who is just amazing.

You can also contact Level Access as well as the Paciello Group.










David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.orgOn 1/10/2020 11:57 AM, Rayn Darren wrote:

HI Sieghard,

Will do, thank you so much!

Sarah

On 1/10/2020 8:56 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

You could contact Brian Hartgen from Hartgen Consultancy<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hartgen.org%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C613d1841d00b4e83e24008d795ee3dc6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637142722772780854&amp;sdata=MHezIWISODf%2F9ePGHMoRdixkTMzpgzcbFJQJxCJR9rM%3D&amp;reserved=0>, he's probably as good as they get.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of Rayn Darren
Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: ISO someone who writes Jaws scripts



Hi all,



I have a client who's looking for a particular script to be written for Jaws, he has 2020. This script needs to announce the numbers as they change in a stock ticker. These are updated in real time. If anyone could help with inof on this I'd really appreciate it.



Thanks in advance,



Sarah


















moderated Re: ISO someone who writes Jaws scripts

Rayn Darren
 

Best of luck David!

On 1/12/2020 12:03 AM, David Goldfield wrote:
I'm actually working my way through Brian Hartgen's JAWS script writing course. I'm finding it very easy but I am in no way an expert and am not ready to write customized scripts for others, as of now.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org<http://WWW.DavidGoldfield.org>

On 1/10/2020 11:56 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

You could contact Brian Hartgen from Hartgen Consultancy<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hartgen.org%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C0bb2b7e8667444c1d08308d795ee09c7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637142721899849586&sdata=8c0G%2FomJZymhnSxD3s9ItU9EtlU7%2FVuFW6viAhgK54k%3D&reserved=0>, he's probably as good as they get.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io><mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rayn Darren
Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: ISO someone who writes Jaws scripts



Hi all,



I have a client who's looking for a particular script to be written for Jaws, he has 2020. This script needs to announce the numbers as they change in a stock ticker. These are updated in real time. If anyone could help with inof on this I'd really appreciate it.



Thanks in advance,



Sarah









moderated Re: MS EXCEL formula

Rick Mladek
 

Thank you Ann, I'll give this a shot in the morning. I'm calling it a day
with being in my office for near 12 hours now. Time to call it a day for
tomorrow 5:30 AM comes early.

Thank you again,

Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 10:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: MS EXCEL formula

The first instance of the formula would be in e14, right?

then. With e13 blank, this would be the formula:
=d14+e13. This should display the number in d14.

To propagate the formula down the page:

So. Copy the formula in e14.
Then Ctrl+g (go to).
Type in the cells you want to hold the formula (e15:e100) and enter.
The cells will be selected.
Paste the formula ctrl+v.
that should do it.

good luck!

moderated Re: MS EXCEL formula

Rick Mladek
 

Richard,

 

Is there a formula where the running balance/total can be in column E for example? Example: row 14 column D has $22.50 and this should be seen in same row 14 but column E. The next row, 15, has in column D $220.59 and row 15, column E should have the running total or sum. This would go down all rows and columns. Is this possible or just the total somewhere at the bottom cell where the total would be seen?

 

Thank you,

 

Rick

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 10:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: MS EXCEL formula

 

You can put the formula anywhere in column e that you want the total to be.

The formula should be =sum(d14:d100) 

Equals sum tells excel that you want to add numbers together.

open parenthesis d14 colon d100 close parenthesis tells it to add d14 through d100.

HTH,

 

 

 

 

Richard

"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 

-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner

 



On Jan 12, 2020, at 7:39 PM, Rick Mladek <hmladek@...> wrote:



Hi all,

 

I am on an EXCEL spreadsheet, putting together a list of deductions for upcoming tax season.

 

Can anyone please explain how I add a formula to add up costs of items as a running total.

 

The costs are in column D and I am wanting the running balance in column E. Where do I put this formula and pardon my extreme ignorance here, what formula would I put in? The sum of these costs as they go down the column.

 

The costs start on row 14 column D and I would like this to go down the entire column, lets say to row 100 to be safe. Can someone please tell me the formula to put in and where this is embedded?

 

Thank you,

 

I am using Windows 10, Jaws 2019.1912.1 and Office 2019.

 

Thanks for your help,

 

Rick

 

moderated Re: MS EXCEL formula

Ann Byrne
 

The first instance of the formula would be in e14, right?

then. With e13 blank, this would be the formula:
=d14+e13. This should display the number in d14.

To propagate the formula down the page:

So. Copy the formula in e14.
Then Ctrl+g (go to).
Type in the cells you want to hold the formula (e15:e100) and enter.
The cells will be selected.
Paste the formula ctrl+v.
that should do it.

good luck!

moderated Re: MS EXCEL formula

Richard Turner
 

You can put the formula anywhere in column e that you want the total to be.
The formula should be =sum(d14:d100) 
Equals sum tells excel that you want to add numbers together.
open parenthesis d14 colon d100 close parenthesis tells it to add d14 through d100.
HTH,




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner


On Jan 12, 2020, at 7:39 PM, Rick Mladek <hmladek@...> wrote:



Hi all,

 

I am on an EXCEL spreadsheet, putting together a list of deductions for upcoming tax season.

 

Can anyone please explain how I add a formula to add up costs of items as a running total.

 

The costs are in column D and I am wanting the running balance in column E. Where do I put this formula and pardon my extreme ignorance here, what formula would I put in? The sum of these costs as they go down the column.

 

The costs start on row 14 column D and I would like this to go down the entire column, lets say to row 100 to be safe. Can someone please tell me the formula to put in and where this is embedded?

 

Thank you,

 

I am using Windows 10, Jaws 2019.1912.1 and Office 2019.

 

Thanks for your help,

 

Rick

 

moderated MS EXCEL formula

Rick Mladek
 

Hi all,

 

I am on an EXCEL spreadsheet, putting together a list of deductions for upcoming tax season.

 

Can anyone please explain how I add a formula to add up costs of items as a running total.

 

The costs are in column D and I am wanting the running balance in column E. Where do I put this formula and pardon my extreme ignorance here, what formula would I put in? The sum of these costs as they go down the column.

 

The costs start on row 14 column D and I would like this to go down the entire column, lets say to row 100 to be safe. Can someone please tell me the formula to put in and where this is embedded?

 

Thank you,

 

I am using Windows 10, Jaws 2019.1912.1 and Office 2019.

 

Thanks for your help,

 

Rick

 

moderated Re: Question /About Edge

 

Hi,

Does this affect links list and other commands? How about using Tab to navigate around the screen?

If it is what I think is happening, it is because Microsoft (in their infinite wisdom) decided to enable native UI Automation implementation in Edge 79 beta (Chromium based). In short, you must disable this (I’ll write a detailed set of instructions in a few minutes for wider distribution), which can be done by visiting edge://flags, look for UI Automation, and choose “disabled” from the combo box and restart Edge.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of clarence carter via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 7:09 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Question /About Edge

 

Has anyone had difficulty with JAWS reading edit boxes? If so, what did you do about it. I am using the Beta version.

moderated Re: ISO someone who writes Jaws scripts

Rod
 

She not only knows how to write them, she teaches others how to write them, too.
 
 

Rod Alcidonis, Esq.
 

From: David Goldfield
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 7:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: ISO someone who writes Jaws scripts
 

I'm familiar with Jackie. She definitely knows her business but I had no idea she could write JAWS scripts. I'm not surprised, though.

 

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 1/12/2020 7:52 AM, Rod wrote:
Jackie McBride on this list is also superb and talented. You can’t go wrong with her.
 
 

Rod Alcidonis, Esq.
 
From: David Goldfield
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 3:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: ISO someone who writes Jaws scripts
 

For customized JAWS script writing I highly recommend Brian Hartgen, who is just amazing.

You can also contact Level Access as well as the Paciello Group.




David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 1/10/2020 11:57 AM, Rayn Darren wrote:
HI Sieghard,

Will do, thank you so much!

Sarah

On 1/10/2020 8:56 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
You could contact Brian Hartgen from Hartgen Consultancy<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hartgen.org%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C613d1841d00b4e83e24008d795ee3dc6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637142722772780854&amp;sdata=MHezIWISODf%2F9ePGHMoRdixkTMzpgzcbFJQJxCJR9rM%3D&amp;reserved=0>, he's probably as good as they get.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of Rayn Darren
Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: ISO someone who writes Jaws scripts



Hi all,



I have a client who's looking for a particular script to be written for Jaws, he has 2020. This script needs to announce the numbers as they change in a stock ticker. These are updated in real time. If anyone could help with inof on this I'd really appreciate it.



Thanks in advance,



Sarah














moderated Question /About Edge

clarence carter
 

Has anyone had difficulty with JAWS reading edit boxes? If so, what did you do about it. I am using the Beta version.

moderated Re: how do I uninstall what I believe is a corrupted download of draws 2020?

Dan Longmore
 

Remove it using the add remove programs list. But leave the shared components if you have previous jaws versions or other Freedom Scientific products.

moderated how do I uninstall what I believe is a corrupted download of draws 2020?

Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
 

hi,
I downloaded Jaws 2020 onto a new computer today and ran the install. The computer got hung up for several hours, after which I shut down the computer and rebooted. Upon rebooting,Jawsspoke, but only haltingly.
can someone please remind me of the best way to completely uninstall what I believe to be a corrupted download so I can reinstall a clean version?

Many, many thanks in advance. Keith

moderated Re: upgrading Jaws

Vaughn Brown
 

I second Richard on all accounts.
Did you try cleaning between the keys? I use a small amount of rubbing
alcohol as it evaporates after a short time and will not damage any
sticky areas.
I am using JAWS 2020 and enjoy it. I did the $90/year subscription.
Again, your situation with JAWS is based on affordability.
Hope this helps.
Vaughn

On 1/12/20, Richard Turner <richardturner42@...> wrote:
First, the problem with the keys acting like they are jammed down may not be
a Jaws issue, so no one should say one way or the other if that will solve
your problem.
Maybe you could specify what you have tried already to resolve that issue.
The current version is Jaws 2020, so if you have just Jaws 18, you would
need 2018, 2019 and 2020, but since you get a little better deal doing them
in groups of two, you may want to do through 2021.
Or, you could go with the subscription model at $90 per year and jump right
into the 2020 version.
You'll have to do the math to see which makes the most sense in your
situation.
HTH,




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with
it."
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane
Wagner


On Jan 12, 2020, at 8:01 AM, CJ &AA MAY <chrisalismay@...> wrote:


I was given a free migration from Window-eyes to Jaws 18 but would now like
to upgrade. I see the price varies dependent upon how many upgrades you
want. How many would I need to have the current version? Would the current
version get rid of this problem I am having with the alt and windows key
appearing as jammed down?
Alison




--
Kindly,
Vaughn Brown
Vaughn's Percussionship
Heal through Feel Equine Massage
360-904-8432
http://www.vaughnbrown.net
Serving Clark County

moderated Re: upgrading Jaws

Richard Turner
 

First, the problem with the keys acting like they are jammed down may not be a Jaws issue, so no one should say one way or the other if that will solve your problem.
Maybe you could specify what you have tried already to resolve that issue.
The current version is Jaws 2020, so if you have just Jaws 18, you would need 2018, 2019 and 2020, but since you get a little better deal doing them in groups of two, you may want to do through 2021.
Or, you could go with the subscription model at $90 per year and jump right into the 2020 version.
You'll have to do the math to see which makes the most sense in your situation.
HTH,




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner


On Jan 12, 2020, at 8:01 AM, CJ &AA MAY <chrisalismay@...> wrote:



I was given a free migration from Window-eyes to Jaws 18 but would now like to upgrade. I see the price varies dependent upon how many upgrades you want. How many would I need to have the current version? Would the current version get rid of this problem I am having with the alt and windows key appearing as jammed down?

Alison

moderated Re: upgrading Jaws

CJ &AA MAY
 

I was given a free migration from Window-eyes to Jaws 18 but would now like to upgrade. I see the price varies dependent upon how many upgrades you want. How many would I need to have the current version? Would the current version get rid of this problem I am having with the alt and windows key appearing as jammed down?

Alison

moderated Re: jaws announcing tables

Mike B
 

Hi George,
 
What did FS do to fix your issue?  Please share.

Take care.  Mike.  Sennt from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----
From: george b
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 6:28 AM
Subject: Re: jaws announcing tables

No f s fixed mine for me that was a cop out on behalf of that agent

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: January 12, 2020 6:11
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws announcing tables

When I talked with FS about this, the suggestion was to copy into Notepad
instead of Word, so the table formatting isn't shone.
At 01:15 AM 1/12/2020, you wrote:
>Is there a way to turn off Jaws' announcements of tables when reading
>documents?
>I'm helping an elderly friend who receives a lot of interesting
>articles that have been copied from a web site, then saved in Word.
>When reading, Jaws announces the Table with so many rows and columns.
>Is it possible to turn that off so it just reads the text?
>Thanks,
>Richard
>
>
>
>
>Richard
>"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with
it."
>-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by
>Jane Wagner
>
>







moderated Re: jaws announcing tables

george b
 

No f s fixed mine for me that was a cop out on behalf of that agent

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: January 12, 2020 6:11
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws announcing tables

When I talked with FS about this, the suggestion was to copy into Notepad
instead of Word, so the table formatting isn't shone.
At 01:15 AM 1/12/2020, you wrote:
Is there a way to turn off Jaws' announcements of tables when reading
documents?
I'm helping an elderly friend who receives a lot of interesting
articles that have been copied from a web site, then saved in Word.
When reading, Jaws announces the Table with so many rows and columns.
Is it possible to turn that off so it just reads the text?
Thanks,
Richard




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with
it."
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by
Jane Wagner

moderated Re: jaws announcing tables

Ann Byrne
 

When I talked with FS about this, the suggestion was to copy into Notepad instead of Word, so the table formatting isn't shone.

At 01:15 AM 1/12/2020, you wrote:
Is there a way to turn off Jaws' announcements of tables when reading documents?
I'm helping an elderly friend who receives a lot of interesting articles that have been copied from a web site, then saved in Word.
When reading, Jaws announces the Table with so many rows and columns.
Is it possible to turn that off so it just reads the text?
Thanks,
Richard




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner