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moderated Re: Any way I can disable this audio issue?

Chris Hill
 

Depends on if it works the way it is set by default.  It can appear in the system tray, and right-clicking (or equivalent) will let you choose which sound device to apply it to, the default choice is the default.

On 1/8/2020 22:19, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
After installing Silenzio do you have to configure it a certain way?
I did once install it on my Asus laptop and I could not notice any difference.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 4:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Any way I can disable this audio issue?

Silenzio fixed this same problem on 3 different laptops for me.

James B


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 4:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Any way I can disable this audio issue?

try Silenzio, it will continuely play a small WAV file which will not let your soundcard sleep.
http://www.stefankiss.sk/programy/silenzio/Silenzio_1.0_setup.exe


-------- Original Message --------
From: Michael Munn [mailto:michaelrbms@...]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Wednesday, January 8, 2020, 5:08 PM
Subject: Any way I can disable this audio issue?
Hi all, I recently purchased a new computer and I love it. One thing that
is in my I'm an intermediate Jaws user and I love some audio feed back
while I'm using Jaws.One thing that the new laptop get on my nerve is the
sound system shuts off automatically when not in use for a long time. I
want to know is there a way for me to disable this settings.
Hope to hear from you.
Best regards
Michael Munn

[image: JAWS Certified, 2019]
<http://www.freedomscientific.com/Certification>

Member: Virginia Association of Blind Students National Federation of the
Blind of Virginia

www.nfbv.org

Student of: Hadley Institute of the Blind

www.hadley.edu













moderated Re: Any way I can disable this audio issue?

alia robinson <aliar4@...>
 

I just got a usb headset, and all is fine. It’s ridiculous that I had to and it seems there would be a way to fix this.

 

From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 11:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Any way I can disable this audio issue?

 

After installing Silenzio do you have to configure it a certain way?

I did once install it on my Asus laptop and I could not notice any difference.

moderated msi files for personal websettings are cleared automatically

William Windels
 

Hello,

I use the custom labels very often on websites so I had some .msi-files with a size of about 37kb.

 

This morning, without any warning I think, some msi-files where overwritten with a empty msi-file.

So, all the custom labels are lost.

Since the files are not in the trash on my system, I think jaws did a overwrite.

 

How can I prevent this from happening in the future:

 

e.g. Is there a maximum size allowed?

Can i find somewhere any logs about this to inform freedom scientific / vispero?

 

 

Thx for any hints.

 

Kind regards,

William Windels

Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Angel
 

Since I first got Jaws in 98, Jaws 2.0, There has been within the program, the ability to set up in Jaws properties, to set up a short cut key.  One can set up an alternative screen reader, to get one on the desk top.  As was said in the post below.  Then, turn it off.  Once Jaws begins working.  That way, should Jaws not work, for some reason.  One can get it up and working once more.  Using the alternative screen reader.  Which is why, I don’t agree with the idea the alternate screen reader ought be set up to close.  Once the desk top shows itself.   

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 11:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

 

And why can Jaws not be started with a single keystroke under Windows 10? If you set up a keyboard shortcut like Control + Shift + J it works just fine and both in Jaws 2019 and 2020 Jaws Key + F4 shuts Jaws down immediately if you tell it in Settings not to prompt you to exit Jaws.

The one true statement is that Narrator starts faster, but if you know Jaws takes a few seconds it's not a big deal.

Lastly, George's suggestion did not suggest that you can't still start Narrator with Control + Windows + Enter, the way I understand it is simply that he recommends instead of telling Jaws to speak at the logon screen to set up Narrator to do this, but then to configure Narrator not to run automatically after the desktop loads but to let Jaws take over again.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey

Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 1:03 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

 

Sure; even going back as far as Windows 98 sometimes you would hear a shutdown sound but the PC still would not shut down. The sound is just one thing in a series of tasks executed when one performs a shutdown. And it's never going to be one of the last tasks executed, because shutting down background programmes like the stuff that makes your sound device work is also part of the sequence. So a shutdown sound guarantees ... not much, really, just that the specific operation designated "play shutdown sound" has executed.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: January 8, 2020 11:17 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

 

And even in Windows 7 I had situations where the shut-down sound played and then one of my sighted employees or my wife said the computer had not powered down because of some message which Jaws didn't read any more.

But adding it to Windows 10 as an elevated task as I described in my other email does work well and it's better than nothing.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io

Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 3:38 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

 

 

Unfortunately, there is no shutdown sound in Windows 10.  Hacking the registry to produce logoff or shutdown sounds is a bad idea, no matter what the other "experts" on this list may tell you to the contrary.  The bottom line is that hacking the registry can often produce unwanted or unpredictable results.  If you want to be sure that your computer has completely powered off after you initiate a shutdown, I suggest purchasing a small USB-powered cooling fan and connecting it to a front or rear panel USB port. When the computer powers off, the fan will stop spinning.  Simple as that.

 

 

Gerald

 

 

 

On 1/8/2020 1:40 AM, Shankar C wrote:

> Hi bill, hope things are well at you.

> I am using windows 10 1903 with jaws 2020 on my dell laptop.

> I have downloaded the Shutdown-Logoff-Logon-Sound-Hacks folder and

> extracted, and added them in the windows Registry.

> and on the sound events, I also checked the check box which says play sounds.

> now, I can able to eare only logon sounds.

> I am unable to eare the sounds for other events such as logoff,

> shutdown, and restart.

> I kindly request you to help me on this.

> On 8/3/18, Robert Wright <wrightsiphone@...> wrote:

>> I was able to get windows log on and off to show in the registry but

>> exit is still not showing.

>> 

>> character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for

>> you!                                ***

>> 

>> From: Tom

>> Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 3:26 AM

>> To: main@jfw.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

>> 

>> Thanks Bill.

>> 

>> Tom

>> 

>> 

>> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> Bill White

>> Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2018 3:59 PM

>> To: main@jfw.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

>> 

>> Yes, it works.

>> 

>> “System Exit” is the event associated with shutdown.

>> 

>> “Windows logoff” is associated with signing off to log on as a

>> different user.

>> 

>> Bill White

>> billwhite92701@...

>> 

>> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom

>> Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 9:01 PM

>> To: main@jfw.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

>> 

>> Hi Bill,

>> I downloaded the  file containing the scripts you mentioned and unzipped it.

>> The unzip procedure creates three folders each containing 2 files.

>> 

>> What is the difference between “System Exit” and Windows logoff”?

>> 

>> Have you tried this technique and did it work?

>> 

>> Thanks

>> Tom

>> 

>> 

>> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> Bill White

>> Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2018 7:19 AM

>> To: JFW Mailing List <jfw@groups.io>

>> Subject: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

>> 

>> Hi. I tried to send this message to the JAWS list before, but it

>> hasn't shown up in the last 27 minutes, so I am sending it again, in

>> hopes that it will get through this time.

>> 

>> In case someone cannot find this page on Ehow, I am including the

>> link below that will download the zip file containing the registry

>> edit scripts that will return the logon, logoff and system exit

>> events back to the Sound settings without having to manually edit the registry.

>> 

>> https://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Shutdown-Logoff-

>> Logon-Sound-Hacks.zip

>> 

>> Bill White

>> billwhite92701@...

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

moderated Re: latest Jaws and emails reading as tables

tom x
 

Hi Adrian and thanks for your reply.

 

The only way I have found to get around this problem when it becomes too annoying is to unload Jaws 2020 and load 2019.  Certainly not a great solution but it works.

 

Cheers

Tom

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2020 3:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: latest Jaws and emails reading as tables

 

Tom,

 

I notice that no one has responded to your post. My system is the same as yours except I’m using Outlook 2016, not 2013, and thunderbird. However, I am having the same problem. I don’t have a solution; only workarounds.

 

I get table announcements inconsistently. Sometimes a table-formatted message opens and reads fine, other times I have your problem. The fastest way for me to read a problem message is to select all with control-a, then copy with control-c, and then paste with control-v into Notepad. I use Notepad for this purpose because it opens instantaneously.

 

Obviously, I can’t click on any links in the email when the content is in Notepad. If I want to click a link, I go back to the message and tab until that link is spoken.

 

An alternative is to close the message and reopen it. sometimes JAWS then reads it just fine.

 

The third method is to close JAWS and reload it. This method always makes the message readable, but it doesn’t keep working for other messages afterwards.

 

Again, I know this isn’t ideal. Anyone having this problem should write to Vispero to get it fixed. Tom and I can’t be the only JAWS users experiencing it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of tom x
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 12:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: latest Jaws and emails reading as tables

 

                Hi,

 

Using latest W10 64bit and Jaws 2020,Outlook 2013 and latest Thunderbird.

 

I am having a problem which is driving me nuts when reading or arrowing down through a message.  Jaws will say something like 

table with 1 columns and 1 rows nesting level 3

While the table size and nesting level may change, the level of annoyance does not.

 

This problem has only been noticed since updating to the latest version of Jaws.

 

Can someone please explain how to change Jaw's behaviour when reading emails?

 

Thanks

 

Tom

moderated Re: Any way I can disable this audio issue?

 

After installing Silenzio do you have to configure it a certain way?
I did once install it on my Asus laptop and I could not notice any difference.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 4:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Any way I can disable this audio issue?

Silenzio fixed this same problem on 3 different laptops for me.

James B


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 4:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Any way I can disable this audio issue?

try Silenzio, it will continuely play a small WAV file which will not let your soundcard sleep.
http://www.stefankiss.sk/programy/silenzio/Silenzio_1.0_setup.exe


-------- Original Message --------
From: Michael Munn [mailto:michaelrbms@...]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Wednesday, January 8, 2020, 5:08 PM
Subject: Any way I can disable this audio issue?
Hi all, I recently purchased a new computer and I love it. One thing that
is in my I'm an intermediate Jaws user and I love some audio feed back
while I'm using Jaws.One thing that the new laptop get on my nerve is the
sound system shuts off automatically when not in use for a long time. I
want to know is there a way for me to disable this settings.
Hope to hear from you.
Best regards
Michael Munn

[image: JAWS Certified, 2019]
<http://www.freedomscientific.com/Certification>

Member: Virginia Association of Blind Students National Federation of the
Blind of Virginia

www.nfbv.org

Student of: Hadley Institute of the Blind

www.hadley.edu

moderated Re: Elbraille 40?

Jessica D
 

Hi,
Can you send me this cheat sheet?
Thanks,
Jessica

On Jan 8, 2020, at 11:11 PM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:

Hi,
Jaws and the focus and elbraille user's manual all have a fantastic list of commands and their descriptions. What I did for the longest time is make a cheat sheet in notepad with the most important (to me) commands listed. Then used it exclusively for 2-3 weeks. Now, I might forget one or two, but everything is just in the back of my brain. Like what someone says about training wheels - I can go months and be right back at it.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 9:42 PM
To: Milton Ota <mota1252@...>
Cc: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

Hi,
Right, I'm fully aware and 100% ok with the fact that the elbraille only has a braille keyboard.
I know braille.
The hardest part for me personally, will be learning the braille commands.
However, this task shouldn't be that difficult because I'm a very quick learner.
I also love to learn how to use my assistive tech, and for the most part, am self-taught, with help from user guides, and mailing lists, when necessary.

Thanks,
Jessica
On Jan 8, 2020, at 9:55 PM, Milton Ota <mota1252@...> wrote:

Hello All:
There is something that has not been mentioned here regarding the El Braille. It has nice features, fast and powerful but comparing it with a laptop the El Braille does not have a QWERTY keyboard. Everything is run from the keyboard of the Focus 14 or 40 braille display.

I must say that for what you are getting, and from what I have seen it is a bit pricy and you could get a netbook computer with an SSD drive and a 13 inch width and spend your money in finding the Focus 14 or 40 to be a much more price saver.

Also, I was told that doing windows update is not going to be the same as getting a comercially baught computer as there are some proprietary that Freedom Scientific and the manufacturer of the El Braille in Russa have done.

If I'm wrong on these things, I hope someone will varify them so that people don't plop a lot of money down a black hole and end up with something that gets outdated quickly as the technology is changing too fast.

Original message:
Hi,
I have a pc and braillenote touch+. Sometimes, I'm in invironments where hearing jaws, with speech alone is difficult, if not impossible.
Also, my laptop, being a 15-inch is quite huge and heavy, when placed in a backpack.
If I were to get an elbraille, like I'm seriously thinking of doing, that would become my main machine, and I'd use the laptop at home, or for things the elbraille can't handle.
Thanks,
Jessica


On Jan 8, 2020, at 8:35 PM, Morey Worthington <worthington@...> wrote:



Hi David. If this is you, and sorry about changing subject, but is there a tutorial made by you, or someone you know of, about using Outlook and its keystrokes?
Any thought appreciated. Again, sorry about changing subject line.
Morey Worthington
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 4:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
I have ben wondering, for the price, what is the advantage of using the El Braille instead of a small laptop and a Braille display!
My laptops are only $250.00!
I use win10 and everything!
I have never been able to figure this out, and I was wondering what you use the El Braille for that makes it worth the price from Vispero?
David More
Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
From: Michael Munn <mailto:michaelrbms@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
on a Focus Braille To quickly switch between USB and Bluetooth is to hold down the Power Key and dot 123
The Focus 40 5th Generation can connect up to 5 devices at a time via Bluetooth.
Thanks for asking.
Best regards
Michael Munn
Member: Virginia Association of Blind Students National Federation of the Blind of Virginia <http://www.freedomscientific.com/Certification>
www.nfbv.org <http://www.freedomscientific.com/Certification>
Student of: Hadley Institute of the Blind <http://www.freedomscientific.com/Certification>
www.hadley.edu <http://www.freedomscientific.com/Certification>
On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 4:19 PM Randy Meyer <randymeyer@...> wrote: <http://www.freedomscientific.com/Certification>
I agree, it seems to take a second or three to open up Word, where my desktop and laptop it seems like a second or less. It works fine in word, but it does take a second or two to bring up the save as dialog. The hard drive is small, you have to be careful not to fill it up. It does have a data drive in addition to the regular drive. I would say plan to install office 365, Jaws and windows 10 and not a lot beyond that. On a positive note, I have not lost any files or data off of the hard drive, unlike a number of Braille note takers I have owned over 30+ years. It is great to use actual windows 10 and office 365, rather than proprietary note taker software that can open word and excel files and edit them, but is not word or excel. Randy Meyer -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:50 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Elbraille 40? That's about right yes. The machine has an EMMC solid state drive, so read and write times are a lot quicker than a conventional mechanical hard drive. Think of it like having a thumb drive with no moving parts inside the machine instead of the wurring hard drive. The problem comes when you do processor intensive things. As I said though, for general office tasks and less resource intensive activities, it will get the job done. Perhaps not quite as speedily as other machines, but it will also give you 18 plus hours of batterylife. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:46 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Elbraille 40? Hi, I just watched a few youtube videos, that demoed the elbraille 14. One of the videos showed booting up, and opening word, both of which, I thought were very fast. It seemed like jaws was loaded in about 30 seconds, maybe more like a minute. Is that accurate? Thanks, Jessica > On Jan 8, 2020, at 3:25 PM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote: > > Hi Randy, > The elbraille 14 can be paired with Bluetooth to the gdp pocket. With a simple command, the unit can be switched from USB, which is how it communicate with the elbraille, to Bluetooth. Alternatively you could undo the USB connection from the docking station and connect it to the pocket. It's unfortunate that you have Bluetooth issues - I regularly use mine on my Android phone and switch back to the elbraille for other things. > The docking station - essentially the part that is the windows computer - is slow, however is perfectly fine for general usage and as you said will give excellent batterylife compared with 99% of new laptops. > > -----Original Message----- > From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Meyer > Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 1:38 PM > To: main@jfw.groups.io > Subject: Re: Elbraille 40? > > I have an ElBraille 14. I have found it to be slow. It was affordable, as I already had Jaws, bought a used focus 14 display, and paid some where around $1,000 for the docking station. I agree that the battery life is great. > > I recently purchased a mini laptop, the GDP Pocket for around $350 and pared it with a used focus 40 display I picked up at a reasonable price. It is faster. I found I needed to connect the display by cord, because Bluetooth was unreliable. I like that it gives me the option to use the small keyboard on the computer instead of the Braille display keyboard. I only do this when something stumps me for the correct Braille keyboard command. The downside is far less battery life, especially because the Braille display draws from the computer's battery before using it's own. I would say my battery life runs somewhere between 4 and 6 hours, depending on use, where the ElBraille is probably triple that. > > Purchasing the ElBraille did force me to learn all of the Braille keyboard commands, which gave me the confidence to purchase the GDP Pocket and try it with a Braille display. I can put the ElBraille 14 in a jacket pocket or even a pants pocket, where I can not do that with a GDP Pocket with a 40-cell display. > > I still use both machines depending on the convenience factor and computer power needed. > > Randy Meyer > > -----Original Message----- > From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard > Turner > Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:02 AM > To: main@jfw.groups.io > Subject: Re: Elbraille 40? > > It is fascinating to me that their web site does not give any prices for the 14 or 40 version of this low-end Windows machine combo and if one follows the link to the place to purchase either one, you find a 404 page not found error. > I wouldn't be in the market anyway, but just curious. > I personally would rather have a full fledged laptop and a braille display but I guess I can understand the appeal to some with the extended battery life they claim. > > O well, I'll shut up now on this topic. > > > > Richard > > 🖖 Live long and prosper > > > Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Les > Kriegler > Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:44 AM > To: main@jfw.groups.io > Subject: Re: Elbraille 40? > > Hi Richard, > > I'll be glad to try and answer your question with the understanding that I know far less than you. If someone was in the market for a braille note taker, the idea is that you have an integrated unit, braille display and ElBraille unit which runs the Windows Operating System. So you could run Office 365, 2019, 2016 or 2013. Many have Jaws already, so one does not have to buy Jaws again. For those who don't have a Jaws license, it will be more expensive, I don't know the price of the bundle for the unit, Focus 40 Five and Jaws. In my case, if I purchase the ElBraille 5, I only need the unit as I already have Jaws and the Focus 5 display. Hope this helps. > > Les > > -----Original Message----- > From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard > Turner > Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:33 AM > To: main@jfw.groups.io > Subject: Re: Elbraille 40? > > OK, could someone who knows far more than I explain what the point is with this new device from FS? > > ElBraille 40 V combines the flexibility of a modern mainstream computer running the Windows® 10 operating system with JAWS® and a 40-cell Braille display with a full Braille keyboard to offer a fully accessible compact solution. (JAWS and Braille display sold separately. > > I copied the above from their web site. What is the point if you have to buy the Focus 40 blue and Jaws separately? > ) > > > > > Richard > "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." > -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by > Jane Wagner > > > > On Jan 8, 2020, at 5:21 AM, Les Kriegler <kriegler01@...> wrote: > > > > Hi Jessica, > > If you check FS's site, you'll see that shipping is scheduled for this month. Back in October, the unit was supposed to be out in a matter of days. In November, the same statement was made on the FS OpenLine podcast. I have no idea as to what the issues are, as nobody has publicly indicated anything. I heard there was a parts issue, but that was supposed to have been resolved last September. The Focus 40 5 is definitely not out. > > Les > > -----Original Message----- > From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D > Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:45 AM > To: main@jfw.groups.io > Subject: Re: Elbraille 40? > > Hi, > Earlier, someone mentioned delays. > Are there production delays? > Is the elbraille 5th generation out? > I keep checking the fs website, but last I saw, it said, "shippingin November." > Thanks, > Jessica > > > > > > On Jan 8, 2020, at 7:42 AM, Michael Munn <michaelrbms@...> wrote: > > > >  > I don't know whether you can connect the entire note taker and use it as a Braille display, but you can detach the Braille display and use the braille in conjunction with your iPhone. > Thanks for asking. > Best regards > Michael Munn > > > > <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww. > freedomscientific.com%2FCertification&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C1aa374d6cd > 2b40a46fcc08d79440d136%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C63 > 7140878408052422&amp;sdata=ZqV3BWc%2FSCgINksACEizpnI79mlqTduoTIZ9USao% > 2FtY%3D&amp;reserved=0> > > Member: Virginia Association of Blind Students National > Federation of the Blind of Virginia > > > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.nfbv.org&amp;d > ata=02%7C01%7C%7C1aa374d6cd2b40a46fcc08d79440d136%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb4 > 35aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637140878408052422&amp;sdata=iu7nxnn7%2FLzFiO > pwaq3mikK6cyvtG6K6gSH4c%2Fc%2FnBg%3D&amp;reserved=0 > <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww. > nfbv.org&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C1aa374d6cd2b40a46fcc08d79440d136%7C84df > 9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637140878408052422&amp;sdata=w5 > sYibqsjyP%2Bq2pfHpmBtBnl15XPqcnqhmLik%2Bh2ou0%3D&amp;reserved=0> > > Student of: Hadley Institute of the Blind > > > > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.hadley.edu&amp > ;data=02%7C01%7C%7C1aa374d6cd2b40a46fcc08d79440d136%7C84df9e7fe9f640af > b435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637140878408052422&amp;sdata=iLxHncit4%2FlG > yx%2BQKToctZ1RLKaNnS3oimswNwrQCC8%3D&amp;reserved=0 > <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww. > hadley.edu&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C1aa374d6cd2b40a46fcc08d79440d136%7C84 > df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637140878408052422&amp;sdata= > lf59glxZm553WWLHdkIXhAZIpkZ73k3xkw9zEeX1Be0%3D&amp;reserved=0> > > > > On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:44 PM Michael Munn via Groups.Io <michaelrbms=gmail.com@groups.io <mailto:gmail.com@groups.io> > wrote: > > > It is a Windows 10 computer being compacted in to a small box. You can do anything that used to do on a Windows 10 computer to ElBraille 40. Note Taker. > > On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Jessica D <jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote: > > > > Hi, > > Thank you both for the info. > > Can you use your microsoft account password, as your login password? > > This is what I do currently. > > I'm on the home annual license, and have activated 1 of my allowed 3 computers. > > > > Thanks, > > Jessica > >> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:24 PM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@... <mailto:tcwood12@...> > wrote: > >> > >> Hi, > >> I have the Elbraille 14 and it is very well made. It is not the 40, but it is also detachable. > >> Thanks > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Michael Munn > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:22 PM > >> To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > >> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40? > >> > >> The El Braille 40 5 Generation is a very well made piece. I I have the opportunity to play with it during NFB Convention last year in Las Vegas NV and the size is a little big. That is the cons of the unit. The Pro of the El Braille 40 5th generation is that you can get a braille display along with 2 activation of Jaws. Unlike ElBraille 40 4th Generation, the El Braille display 5th generation is detachable from the docking Station. A user can take the Braille display with them. > >> Overall, This is a device that worth buying. > >> It is a little expensive though. > >>>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Jessica D <jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi, > >>> I currently have a Braillenote touch+ from HumanWare. > >>> However, due to battery and other issues, I had to send it in for repair. > >>> If they can’t fix it, I’m considering purchasing an ElBraille 40. > >>> > >>> Does anyone on here have experience with these devices? > >>> I tired to connect my braillenote to my computer for use with jaws, but it failed. > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> > >>> Jessica > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.freedomscientific.com/Certification>





moderated Re: Elbraille 40?

Tyler Wood
 

Hi,
Jaws and the focus and elbraille user's manual all have a fantastic list of commands and their descriptions. What I did for the longest time is make a cheat sheet in notepad with the most important (to me) commands listed. Then used it exclusively for 2-3 weeks. Now, I might forget one or two, but everything is just in the back of my brain. Like what someone says about training wheels - I can go months and be right back at it.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 9:42 PM
To: Milton Ota <mota1252@...>
Cc: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

Hi,
Right, I'm fully aware and 100% ok with the fact that the elbraille only has a braille keyboard.
I know braille.
The hardest part for me personally, will be learning the braille commands.
However, this task shouldn't be that difficult because I'm a very quick learner.
I also love to learn how to use my assistive tech, and for the most part, am self-taught, with help from user guides, and mailing lists, when necessary.

Thanks,
Jessica
On Jan 8, 2020, at 9:55 PM, Milton Ota <mota1252@...> wrote:

Hello All:
There is something that has not been mentioned here regarding the El Braille. It has nice features, fast and powerful but comparing it with a laptop the El Braille does not have a QWERTY keyboard. Everything is run from the keyboard of the Focus 14 or 40 braille display.

I must say that for what you are getting, and from what I have seen it is a bit pricy and you could get a netbook computer with an SSD drive and a 13 inch width and spend your money in finding the Focus 14 or 40 to be a much more price saver.

Also, I was told that doing windows update is not going to be the same as getting a comercially baught computer as there are some proprietary that Freedom Scientific and the manufacturer of the El Braille in Russa have done.

If I'm wrong on these things, I hope someone will varify them so that people don't plop a lot of money down a black hole and end up with something that gets outdated quickly as the technology is changing too fast.

Original message:
Hi,
I have a pc and braillenote touch+. Sometimes, I'm in invironments where hearing jaws, with speech alone is difficult, if not impossible.
Also, my laptop, being a 15-inch is quite huge and heavy, when placed in a backpack.
If I were to get an elbraille, like I'm seriously thinking of doing, that would become my main machine, and I'd use the laptop at home, or for things the elbraille can't handle.
Thanks,
Jessica


On Jan 8, 2020, at 8:35 PM, Morey Worthington <worthington@...> wrote:



Hi David. If this is you, and sorry about changing subject, but is there a tutorial made by you, or someone you know of, about using Outlook and its keystrokes?
Any thought appreciated. Again, sorry about changing subject line.
Morey Worthington
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 4:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
I have ben wondering, for the price, what is the advantage of using the El Braille instead of a small laptop and a Braille display!
My laptops are only $250.00!
I use win10 and everything!
I have never been able to figure this out, and I was wondering what you use the El Braille for that makes it worth the price from Vispero?
David More
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From: Michael Munn <mailto:michaelrbms@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
on a Focus Braille To quickly switch between USB and Bluetooth is to hold down the Power Key and dot 123
The Focus 40 5th Generation can connect up to 5 devices at a time via Bluetooth.
Thanks for asking.
Best regards
Michael Munn
Member: Virginia Association of Blind Students National Federation of the Blind of Virginia <http://www.freedomscientific.com/Certification>
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www.hadley.edu <http://www.freedomscientific.com/Certification>
On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 4:19 PM Randy Meyer <randymeyer@...> wrote: <http://www.freedomscientific.com/Certification>
I agree, it seems to take a second or three to open up Word, where my desktop and laptop it seems like a second or less. It works fine in word, but it does take a second or two to bring up the save as dialog. The hard drive is small, you have to be careful not to fill it up. It does have a data drive in addition to the regular drive. I would say plan to install office 365, Jaws and windows 10 and not a lot beyond that. On a positive note, I have not lost any files or data off of the hard drive, unlike a number of Braille note takers I have owned over 30+ years. It is great to use actual windows 10 and office 365, rather than proprietary note taker software that can open word and excel files and edit them, but is not word or excel. Randy Meyer -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:50 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Elbraille 40? That's about right yes. The machine has an EMMC solid state drive, so read and write times are a lot quicker than a conventional mechanical hard drive. Think of it like having a thumb drive with no moving parts inside the machine instead of the wurring hard drive. The problem comes when you do processor intensive things. As I said though, for general office tasks and less resource intensive activities, it will get the job done. Perhaps not quite as speedily as other machines, but it will also give you 18 plus hours of batterylife. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:46 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Elbraille 40? Hi, I just watched a few youtube videos, that demoed the elbraille 14. One of the videos showed booting up, and opening word, both of which, I thought were very fast. It seemed like jaws was loaded in about 30 seconds, maybe more like a minute. Is that accurate? Thanks, Jessica > On Jan 8, 2020, at 3:25 PM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote: > > Hi Randy, > The elbraille 14 can be paired with Bluetooth to the gdp pocket. With a simple command, the unit can be switched from USB, which is how it communicate with the elbraille, to Bluetooth. Alternatively you could undo the USB connection from the docking station and connect it to the pocket. It's unfortunate that you have Bluetooth issues - I regularly use mine on my Android phone and switch back to the elbraille for other things. > The docking station - essentially the part that is the windows computer - is slow, however is perfectly fine for general usage and as you said will give excellent batterylife compared with 99% of new laptops. > > -----Original Message----- > From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Meyer > Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 1:38 PM > To: main@jfw.groups.io > Subject: Re: Elbraille 40? > > I have an ElBraille 14. I have found it to be slow. It was affordable, as I already had Jaws, bought a used focus 14 display, and paid some where around $1,000 for the docking station. I agree that the battery life is great. > > I recently purchased a mini laptop, the GDP Pocket for around $350 and pared it with a used focus 40 display I picked up at a reasonable price. It is faster. I found I needed to connect the display by cord, because Bluetooth was unreliable. I like that it gives me the option to use the small keyboard on the computer instead of the Braille display keyboard. I only do this when something stumps me for the correct Braille keyboard command. The downside is far less battery life, especially because the Braille display draws from the computer's battery before using it's own. I would say my battery life runs somewhere between 4 and 6 hours, depending on use, where the ElBraille is probably triple that. > > Purchasing the ElBraille did force me to learn all of the Braille keyboard commands, which gave me the confidence to purchase the GDP Pocket and try it with a Braille display. I can put the ElBraille 14 in a jacket pocket or even a pants pocket, where I can not do that with a GDP Pocket with a 40-cell display. > > I still use both machines depending on the convenience factor and computer power needed. > > Randy Meyer > > -----Original Message----- > From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard > Turner > Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:02 AM > To: main@jfw.groups.io > Subject: Re: Elbraille 40? > > It is fascinating to me that their web site does not give any prices for the 14 or 40 version of this low-end Windows machine combo and if one follows the link to the place to purchase either one, you find a 404 page not found error. > I wouldn't be in the market anyway, but just curious. > I personally would rather have a full fledged laptop and a braille display but I guess I can understand the appeal to some with the extended battery life they claim. > > O well, I'll shut up now on this topic. > > > > Richard > > 🖖 Live long and prosper > > > Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Les > Kriegler > Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:44 AM > To: main@jfw.groups.io > Subject: Re: Elbraille 40? > > Hi Richard, > > I'll be glad to try and answer your question with the understanding that I know far less than you. If someone was in the market for a braille note taker, the idea is that you have an integrated unit, braille display and ElBraille unit which runs the Windows Operating System. So you could run Office 365, 2019, 2016 or 2013. Many have Jaws already, so one does not have to buy Jaws again. For those who don't have a Jaws license, it will be more expensive, I don't know the price of the bundle for the unit, Focus 40 Five and Jaws. In my case, if I purchase the ElBraille 5, I only need the unit as I already have Jaws and the Focus 5 display. Hope this helps. > > Les > > -----Original Message----- > From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard > Turner > Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:33 AM > To: main@jfw.groups.io > Subject: Re: Elbraille 40? > > OK, could someone who knows far more than I explain what the point is with this new device from FS? > > ElBraille 40 V combines the flexibility of a modern mainstream computer running the Windows® 10 operating system with JAWS® and a 40-cell Braille display with a full Braille keyboard to offer a fully accessible compact solution. (JAWS and Braille display sold separately. > > I copied the above from their web site. What is the point if you have to buy the Focus 40 blue and Jaws separately? > ) > > > > > Richard > "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." > -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by > Jane Wagner > > > > On Jan 8, 2020, at 5:21 AM, Les Kriegler <kriegler01@...> wrote: > > > > Hi Jessica, > > If you check FS's site, you'll see that shipping is scheduled for this month. Back in October, the unit was supposed to be out in a matter of days. In November, the same statement was made on the FS OpenLine podcast. I have no idea as to what the issues are, as nobody has publicly indicated anything. I heard there was a parts issue, but that was supposed to have been resolved last September. The Focus 40 5 is definitely not out. > > Les > > -----Original Message----- > From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D > Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:45 AM > To: main@jfw.groups.io > Subject: Re: Elbraille 40? > > Hi, > Earlier, someone mentioned delays. > Are there production delays? > Is the elbraille 5th generation out? > I keep checking the fs website, but last I saw, it said, "shippingin November." > Thanks, > Jessica > > > > > > On Jan 8, 2020, at 7:42 AM, Michael Munn <michaelrbms@...> wrote: > > > >  > I don't know whether you can connect the entire note taker and use it as a Braille display, but you can detach the Braille display and use the braille in conjunction with your iPhone. > Thanks for asking. > Best regards > Michael Munn > > > > <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww. > freedomscientific.com%2FCertification&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C1aa374d6cd > 2b40a46fcc08d79440d136%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C63 > 7140878408052422&amp;sdata=ZqV3BWc%2FSCgINksACEizpnI79mlqTduoTIZ9USao% > 2FtY%3D&amp;reserved=0> > > Member: Virginia Association of Blind Students National > Federation of the Blind of Virginia > > > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.nfbv.org&amp;d > ata=02%7C01%7C%7C1aa374d6cd2b40a46fcc08d79440d136%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb4 > 35aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637140878408052422&amp;sdata=iu7nxnn7%2FLzFiO > pwaq3mikK6cyvtG6K6gSH4c%2Fc%2FnBg%3D&amp;reserved=0 > <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww. > nfbv.org&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C1aa374d6cd2b40a46fcc08d79440d136%7C84df > 9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637140878408052422&amp;sdata=w5 > sYibqsjyP%2Bq2pfHpmBtBnl15XPqcnqhmLik%2Bh2ou0%3D&amp;reserved=0> > > Student of: Hadley Institute of the Blind > > > > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.hadley.edu&amp > ;data=02%7C01%7C%7C1aa374d6cd2b40a46fcc08d79440d136%7C84df9e7fe9f640af > b435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637140878408052422&amp;sdata=iLxHncit4%2FlG > yx%2BQKToctZ1RLKaNnS3oimswNwrQCC8%3D&amp;reserved=0 > <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww. > hadley.edu&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C1aa374d6cd2b40a46fcc08d79440d136%7C84 > df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637140878408052422&amp;sdata= > lf59glxZm553WWLHdkIXhAZIpkZ73k3xkw9zEeX1Be0%3D&amp;reserved=0> > > > > On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:44 PM Michael Munn via Groups.Io <michaelrbms=gmail.com@groups.io <mailto:gmail.com@groups.io> > wrote: > > > It is a Windows 10 computer being compacted in to a small box. You can do anything that used to do on a Windows 10 computer to ElBraille 40. Note Taker. > > On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Jessica D <jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote: > > > > Hi, > > Thank you both for the info. > > Can you use your microsoft account password, as your login password? > > This is what I do currently. > > I'm on the home annual license, and have activated 1 of my allowed 3 computers. > > > > Thanks, > > Jessica > >> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:24 PM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@... <mailto:tcwood12@...> > wrote: > >> > >> Hi, > >> I have the Elbraille 14 and it is very well made. It is not the 40, but it is also detachable. > >> Thanks > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Michael Munn > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:22 PM > >> To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > >> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40? > >> > >> The El Braille 40 5 Generation is a very well made piece. I I have the opportunity to play with it during NFB Convention last year in Las Vegas NV and the size is a little big. That is the cons of the unit. The Pro of the El Braille 40 5th generation is that you can get a braille display along with 2 activation of Jaws. Unlike ElBraille 40 4th Generation, the El Braille display 5th generation is detachable from the docking Station. A user can take the Braille display with them. > >> Overall, This is a device that worth buying. > >> It is a little expensive though. > >>>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Jessica D <jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi, > >>> I currently have a Braillenote touch+ from HumanWare. > >>> However, due to battery and other issues, I had to send it in for repair. > >>> If they can’t fix it, I’m considering purchasing an ElBraille 40. > >>> > >>> Does anyone on here have experience with these devices? > >>> I tired to connect my braillenote to my computer for use with jaws, but it failed. > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> > >>> Jessica > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.freedomscientific.com/Certification>

moderated Re: Elbraille 40?

Randy Meyer
 

Tyler:

I have used: Braille Mate with one cell, Braille Lite, PacMate, and Braille Sense. I was happy to see a true windows 10 option offered in the ElBraille.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 6:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

Hi,
Yes. This is most likely because EMMC storage is a slightly lower end solid state drive than is probably in your laptop and / or desktop.
From what I am able to gather, that 128 gb Data drive is essentially a full size sd card that they have connected internally, but I might be wrong. You can move apps such as office 365 and OneDrive over to that in settings, as well as install things like dropbox on there as well, so that the drive which contains windows (a size of 32 GB) isn't taken up by that and you have more storage to work with.
The Braille lite and braille n speak product lines will always be close to my heart. They are what I grew up with and to this day their braille output remains one of their strong points.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Meyer
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 3:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

I agree, it seems to take a second or three to open up Word, where my desktop and laptop it seems like a second or less. It works fine in word, but it does take a second or two to bring up the save as dialog.

The hard drive is small, you have to be careful not to fill it up. It does have a data drive in addition to the regular drive. I would say plan to install office 365, Jaws and windows 10 and not a lot beyond that. On a positive note, I have not lost any files or data off of the hard drive, unlike a number of Braille note takers I have owned over 30+ years.

It is great to use actual windows 10 and office 365, rather than proprietary note taker software that can open word and excel files and edit them, but is not word or excel.

Randy Meyer

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

That's about right yes. The machine has an EMMC solid state drive, so read and write times are a lot quicker than a conventional mechanical hard drive. Think of it like having a thumb drive with no moving parts inside the machine instead of the wurring hard drive.
The problem comes when you do processor intensive things. As I said though, for general office tasks and less resource intensive activities, it will get the job done. Perhaps not quite as speedily as other machines, but it will also give you 18 plus hours of batterylife.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

Hi,
I just watched a few youtube videos, that demoed the elbraille 14.
One of the videos showed booting up, and opening word, both of which, I thought were very fast.
It seemed like jaws was loaded in about 30 seconds, maybe more like a minute.
Is that accurate?

Thanks,
Jessica
On Jan 8, 2020, at 3:25 PM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:

Hi Randy,
The elbraille 14 can be paired with Bluetooth to the gdp pocket. With a simple command, the unit can be switched from USB, which is how it communicate with the elbraille, to Bluetooth. Alternatively you could undo the USB connection from the docking station and connect it to the pocket. It's unfortunate that you have Bluetooth issues - I regularly use mine on my Android phone and switch back to the elbraille for other things.
The docking station - essentially the part that is the windows computer - is slow, however is perfectly fine for general usage and as you said will give excellent batterylife compared with 99% of new laptops.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Meyer
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 1:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

I have an ElBraille 14. I have found it to be slow. It was affordable, as I already had Jaws, bought a used focus 14 display, and paid some where around $1,000 for the docking station. I agree that the battery life is great.

I recently purchased a mini laptop, the GDP Pocket for around $350 and pared it with a used focus 40 display I picked up at a reasonable price. It is faster. I found I needed to connect the display by cord, because Bluetooth was unreliable. I like that it gives me the option to use the small keyboard on the computer instead of the Braille display keyboard. I only do this when something stumps me for the correct Braille keyboard command. The downside is far less battery life, especially because the Braille display draws from the computer's battery before using it's own. I would say my battery life runs somewhere between 4 and 6 hours, depending on use, where the ElBraille is probably triple that.

Purchasing the ElBraille did force me to learn all of the Braille keyboard commands, which gave me the confidence to purchase the GDP Pocket and try it with a Braille display. I can put the ElBraille 14 in a jacket pocket or even a pants pocket, where I can not do that with a GDP Pocket with a 40-cell display.

I still use both machines depending on the convenience factor and computer power needed.

Randy Meyer

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

It is fascinating to me that their web site does not give any prices for the 14 or 40 version of this low-end Windows machine combo and if one follows the link to the place to purchase either one, you find a 404 page not found error.
I wouldn't be in the market anyway, but just curious.
I personally would rather have a full fledged laptop and a braille display but I guess I can understand the appeal to some with the extended battery life they claim.

O well, I'll shut up now on this topic.



Richard

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Les
Kriegler
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

Hi Richard,

I'll be glad to try and answer your question with the understanding that I know far less than you. If someone was in the market for a braille note taker, the idea is that you have an integrated unit, braille display and ElBraille unit which runs the Windows Operating System. So you could run Office 365, 2019, 2016 or 2013. Many have Jaws already, so one does not have to buy Jaws again. For those who don't have a Jaws license, it will be more expensive, I don't know the price of the bundle for the unit, Focus 40 Five and Jaws. In my case, if I purchase the ElBraille 5, I only need the unit as I already have Jaws and the Focus 5 display. Hope this helps.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

OK, could someone who knows far more than I explain what the point is with this new device from FS?

ElBraille 40 V combines the flexibility of a modern mainstream computer running the Windows® 10 operating system with JAWS® and a 40-cell Braille display with a full Braille keyboard to offer a fully accessible compact solution. (JAWS and Braille display sold separately.

I copied the above from their web site. What is the point if you have to buy the Focus 40 blue and Jaws separately?
)




Richard
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-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by
Jane Wagner



On Jan 8, 2020, at 5:21 AM, Les Kriegler <kriegler01@...> wrote:



Hi Jessica,

If you check FS's site, you'll see that shipping is scheduled for this month. Back in October, the unit was supposed to be out in a matter of days. In November, the same statement was made on the FS OpenLine podcast. I have no idea as to what the issues are, as nobody has publicly indicated anything. I heard there was a parts issue, but that was supposed to have been resolved last September. The Focus 40 5 is definitely not out.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

Hi,
Earlier, someone mentioned delays.
Are there production delays?
Is the elbraille 5th generation out?
I keep checking the fs website, but last I saw, it said, "shippingin November."
Thanks,
Jessica





On Jan 8, 2020, at 7:42 AM, Michael Munn <michaelrbms@...> wrote:




I don't know whether you can connect the entire note taker and use it as a Braille display, but you can detach the Braille display and use the braille in conjunction with your iPhone.
Thanks for asking.
Best regards
Michael Munn



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On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:44 PM Michael Munn via Groups.Io <michaelrbms=gmail.com@groups.io <mailto:gmail.com@groups.io> > wrote:


It is a Windows 10 computer being compacted in to a small box. You can do anything that used to do on a Windows 10 computer to ElBraille 40. Note Taker.
> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Jessica D <jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Thank you both for the info.
> Can you use your microsoft account password, as your login password?
> This is what I do currently.
> I'm on the home annual license, and have activated 1 of my allowed 3 computers.
>
> Thanks,
> Jessica
>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:24 PM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@... <mailto:tcwood12@...> > wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> I have the Elbraille 14 and it is very well made. It is not the 40, but it is also detachable.
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Michael Munn
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:22 PM
>> To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
>> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>>
>> The El Braille 40 5 Generation is a very well made piece. I I have the opportunity to play with it during NFB Convention last year in Las Vegas NV and the size is a little big. That is the cons of the unit. The Pro of the El Braille 40 5th generation is that you can get a braille display along with 2 activation of Jaws. Unlike ElBraille 40 4th Generation, the El Braille display 5th generation is detachable from the docking Station. A user can take the Braille display with them.
>> Overall, This is a device that worth buying.
>> It is a little expensive though.
>>>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Jessica D <jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I currently have a Braillenote touch+ from HumanWare.
>>> However, due to battery and other issues, I had to send it in for repair.
>>> If they can’t fix it, I’m considering purchasing an ElBraille 40.
>>>
>>> Does anyone on here have experience with these devices?
>>> I tired to connect my braillenote to my computer for use with jaws, but it failed.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Jessica
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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moderated Re: Elbraille 40?

Tyler Wood
 

Hi,
I completely, 100% understand that huge price jump.
However 99% of what folks would do with a keyboard can be done on the braille display. Furthermore it has a USB port and Bluetooth so a QWERTY keyboard can be connected easily enough. The only time I have come across this is when playing audiogames.
Regarding Windows updates, this is 100% false. Mine is running Windows 10 1909 quite happily and without issues. The Elbraille utilities are simply installed like any regular program. I will agree that it is expensive new, but there is also nothing on the market quite like it and I'd recommend it over the new braille note touch, which is entirely dependent on humanware to send out Android updates rather than Microsoft sending out updates to this machine just like all other Windows 10 computers.
The problem with most notetakers is exactly that described below - obsolescence almost as soon as it is out the door. With this machine, there is no fear of that happening for years to come - it is a regular Windows 10 computer with none of the proprietary software that usually overlays others, like the braille note touch. NVDA can be installed without issue, just as an example, as can many other apps and programs, just like a Windows 10 PC, with the braille display not only being used as the keyboard, but right below your fingertips.
I'm from the Era of the power braille 40, where a nice solid mechanical style keyboard sat atop two Velcro strips and directly below this, in my case, were 40 cells of braille. Very not portable, but carrying two devices after experiencing that just seems counterintuitive. Yes, a *lot* cheaper, but if you use braille on a daily basis, perhaps worth that price, especially if this does exactly what you want. I'm not sure how I'd manage with a braille display having to sit under my 15 inch laptop when my lap is the only place to sit it down, though I'm sure I'm overthinking this.


Hope that helps.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Milton Ota
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:56 PM
To: jldail13@...
Cc: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

Hello All:
There is something that has not been mentioned here regarding the El
Braille. It has nice features, fast and powerful but comparing it with
a laptop the El Braille does not have a QWERTY keyboard. Everything is
run from the keyboard of the Focus 14 or 40 braille display.

I must say that for what you are getting, and from what I have seen it
is a bit pricy and you could get a netbook computer with an SSD drive
and a 13 inch width and spend your money in finding the Focus 14 or 40
to be a much more price saver.

Also, I was told that doing windows update is not going to be the same
as getting a comercially baught computer as there are some proprietary
that Freedom Scientific and the manufacturer of the El Braille in Russa
have done.

If I'm wrong on these things, I hope someone will varify them so that
people don't plop a lot of money down a black hole and end up with
something that gets outdated quickly as the technology is changing too fast.

Original message:
Hi,
I have a pc and braillenote touch+. Sometimes, I'm in invironments
where hearing jaws, with speech alone is difficult, if not impossible.
Also, my laptop, being a 15-inch is quite huge and heavy, when placed
in a backpack.
If I were to get an elbraille, like I'm seriously thinking of doing,
that would become my main machine, and I'd use the laptop at home, or
for things the elbraille can't handle.
Thanks,
Jessica


On Jan 8, 2020, at 8:35 PM, Morey Worthington <worthington@...> wrote:



Hi David. If this is you, and sorry about changing subject, but is
there a tutorial made by you, or someone you know of, about using
Outlook and its keystrokes?
Any thought appreciated. Again, sorry about changing subject line.
Morey Worthington
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 4:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
I have ben wondering, for the price, what is the advantage of using the
El Braille instead of a small laptop and a Braille display!
My laptops are only $250.00!
I use win10 and everything!
I have never been able to figure this out, and I was wondering what you
use the El Braille for that makes it worth the price from Vispero?
David More
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To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
on a Focus Braille To quickly switch between USB and Bluetooth is to
hold down the Power Key and dot 123
The Focus 40 5th Generation can connect up to 5 devices at a time via
Bluetooth.
Thanks for asking.
Best regards
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I agree, it seems to take a second or three to open up Word, where my
desktop and laptop it seems like a second or less. It works fine in
word, but it does take a second or two to bring up the save as dialog.
The hard drive is small, you have to be careful not to fill it up. It
does have a data drive in addition to the regular drive. I would say
plan to install office 365, Jaws and windows 10 and not a lot beyond
that. On a positive note, I have not lost any files or data off of the
hard drive, unlike a number of Braille note takers I have owned over
30+ years. It is great to use actual windows 10 and office 365, rather
than proprietary note taker software that can open word and excel files
and edit them, but is not word or excel. Randy Meyer -----Original
Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Tyler Wood Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:50 PM To:
main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Elbraille 40? That's about right yes.
The machine has an EMMC solid state drive, so read and write times are
a lot quicker than a conventional mechanical hard drive. Think of it
like having a thumb drive with no moving parts inside the machine
instead of the wurring hard drive. The problem comes when you do
processor intensive things. As I said though, for general office tasks
and less resource intensive activities, it will get the job done.
Perhaps not quite as speedily as other machines, but it will also give
you 18 plus hours of batterylife. -----Original Message----- From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D Sent:
Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:46 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re:
Elbraille 40? Hi, I just watched a few youtube videos, that demoed the
elbraille 14. One of the videos showed booting up, and opening word,
both of which, I thought were very fast. It seemed like jaws was loaded
in about 30 seconds, maybe more like a minute. Is that accurate?
Thanks, Jessica > On Jan 8, 2020, at 3:25 PM, Tyler Wood
<tcwood12@...> wrote: > > Hi Randy, > The elbraille 14 can be
paired with Bluetooth to the gdp pocket. With a simple command, the
unit can be switched from USB, which is how it communicate with the
elbraille, to Bluetooth. Alternatively you could undo the USB
connection from the docking station and connect it to the pocket. It's
unfortunate that you have Bluetooth issues - I regularly use mine on my
Android phone and switch back to the elbraille for other things. > The
docking station - essentially the part that is the windows computer -
is slow, however is perfectly fine for general usage and as you said
will give excellent batterylife compared with 99% of new laptops. > >
-----Original Message----- > From: main@jfw.groups.io
<main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Meyer > Sent: Wednesday,
January 8, 2020 1:38 PM > To: main@jfw.groups.io > Subject: Re:
Elbraille 40? > > I have an ElBraille 14. I have found it to be slow.
It was affordable, as I already had Jaws, bought a used focus 14
display, and paid some where around $1,000 for the docking station. I
agree that the battery life is great. > > I recently purchased a mini
laptop, the GDP Pocket for around $350 and pared it with a used focus
40 display I picked up at a reasonable price. It is faster. I found I
needed to connect the display by cord, because Bluetooth was
unreliable. I like that it gives me the option to use the small
keyboard on the computer instead of the Braille display keyboard. I
only do this when something stumps me for the correct Braille keyboard
command. The downside is far less battery life, especially because the
Braille display draws from the computer's battery before using it's
own. I would say my battery life runs somewhere between 4 and 6 hours,
depending on use, where the ElBraille is probably triple that. > >
Purchasing the ElBraille did force me to learn all of the Braille
keyboard commands, which gave me the confidence to purchase the GDP
Pocket and try it with a Braille display. I can put the ElBraille 14 in
a jacket pocket or even a pants pocket, where I can not do that with a
GDP Pocket with a 40-cell display. > > I still use both machines
depending on the convenience factor and computer power needed. > >
Randy Meyer > > -----Original Message----- > From: main@jfw.groups.io
<main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard > Turner > Sent: Wednesday,
January 8, 2020 8:02 AM > To: main@jfw.groups.io > Subject: Re:
Elbraille 40? > > It is fascinating to me that their web site does not
give any prices for the 14 or 40 version of this low-end Windows
machine combo and if one follows the link to the place to purchase
either one, you find a 404 page not found error. > I wouldn't be in the
market anyway, but just curious. > I personally would rather have a
full fledged laptop and a braille display but I guess I can understand
the appeal to some with the extended battery life they claim. > > O
well, I'll shut up now on this topic. > > > > Richard > > 🖖 Live long
and prosper > > > Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com > >
-----Original Message----- > From: main@jfw.groups.io
<main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Les > Kriegler > Sent: Wednesday,
January 8, 2020 5:44 AM > To: main@jfw.groups.io > Subject: Re:
Elbraille 40? > > Hi Richard, > > I'll be glad to try and answer your
question with the understanding that I know far less than you. If
someone was in the market for a braille note taker, the idea is that
you have an integrated unit, braille display and ElBraille unit which
runs the Windows Operating System. So you could run Office 365, 2019,
2016 or 2013. Many have Jaws already, so one does not have to buy Jaws
again. For those who don't have a Jaws license, it will be more
expensive, I don't know the price of the bundle for the unit, Focus 40
Five and Jaws. In my case, if I purchase the ElBraille 5, I only need
the unit as I already have Jaws and the Focus 5 display. Hope this
helps. > > Les > > -----Original Message----- > From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard > Turner >
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:33 AM > To: main@jfw.groups.io >
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40? > > OK, could someone who knows far more
than I explain what the point is with this new device from FS? > >
ElBraille 40 V combines the flexibility of a modern mainstream computer
running the Windows® 10 operating system with JAWS® and a 40-cell
Braille display with a full Braille keyboard to offer a fully
accessible compact solution. (JAWS and Braille display sold separately.
I copied the above from their web site. What is the point if you
have to buy the Focus 40 blue and Jaws separately? > ) > > > > >
Richard > "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in
touch with it." > -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in
the Universe, by > Jane Wagner > > > > On Jan 8, 2020, at 5:21 AM, Les
Kriegler <kriegler01@...> wrote: > > > > Hi Jessica, > > If
you check FS's site, you'll see that shipping is scheduled for this
month. Back in October, the unit was supposed to be out in a matter of
days. In November, the same statement was made on the FS OpenLine
podcast. I have no idea as to what the issues are, as nobody has
publicly indicated anything. I heard there was a parts issue, but that
was supposed to have been resolved last September. The Focus 40 5 is
definitely not out. > > Les > > -----Original Message----- > From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D > Sent:
Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:45 AM > To: main@jfw.groups.io > Subject:
Re: Elbraille 40? > > Hi, > Earlier, someone mentioned delays. > Are
there production delays? > Is the elbraille 5th generation out? > I
keep checking the fs website, but last I saw, it said, "shippingin
November." > Thanks, > Jessica > > > > > > On Jan 8, 2020, at 7:42 AM,
Michael Munn <michaelrbms@...> wrote: > > > >  > I don't know
whether you can connect the entire note taker and use it as a Braille
display, but you can detach the Braille display and use the braille in
conjunction with your iPhone. > Thanks for asking. > Best regards >
Michael Munn > > > >
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<michaelrbms=gmail.com@groups.io <mailto:gmail.com@groups.io> > wrote:
It is a Windows 10 computer being compacted in to a small box.
You can do anything that used to do on a Windows 10 computer to
ElBraille 40. Note Taker. > > On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Jessica D
<jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote: > > > > Hi, >
Thank you both for the info. > > Can you use your microsoft account
password, as your login password? > > This is what I do currently. > >
I'm on the home annual license, and have activated 1 of my allowed 3
computers. > > > > Thanks, > > Jessica > >> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:24 PM,
Tyler Wood <tcwood12@... <mailto:tcwood12@...> > wrote: >
Hi, > >> I have the Elbraille 14 and it is very well made. It
is not the 40, but it is also detachable. > >> Thanks > >> > >> > >>
-----Original Message----- > >> From: main@jfw.groups.io
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Michael Munn > >> Sent:
Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:22 PM > >> To: main@jfw.groups.io
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > >> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40? > >> > >>
The El Braille 40 5 Generation is a very well made piece. I I have the
opportunity to play with it during NFB Convention last year in Las
Vegas NV and the size is a little big. That is the cons of the unit.
The Pro of the El Braille 40 5th generation is that you can get a
braille display along with 2 activation of Jaws. Unlike ElBraille 40
4th Generation, the El Braille display 5th generation is detachable
from the docking Station. A user can take the Braille display with
them. > >> Overall, This is a device that worth buying. > >> It is a
little expensive though. > >>>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Jessica D
<jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote: > >>> > >>>
Hi, > >>> I currently have a Braillenote touch+ from HumanWare. > >>>
However, due to battery and other issues, I had to send it in for
repair. > >>> If they can’t fix it, I’m considering purchasing an
ElBraille 40. > >>> > >>> Does anyone on here have experience with
these devices? > >>> I tired to connect my braillenote to my computer
for use with jaws, but it failed. > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> > >>>
Jessica > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > >
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Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

 

And why can Jaws not be started with a single keystroke under Windows 10? If you set up a keyboard shortcut like Control + Shift + J it works just fine and both in Jaws 2019 and 2020 Jaws Key + F4 shuts Jaws down immediately if you tell it in Settings not to prompt you to exit Jaws.
The one true statement is that Narrator starts faster, but if you know Jaws takes a few seconds it's not a big deal.
Lastly, George's suggestion did not suggest that you can't still start Narrator with Control + Windows + Enter, the way I understand it is simply that he recommends instead of telling Jaws to speak at the logon screen to set up Narrator to do this, but then to configure Narrator not to run automatically after the desktop loads but to let Jaws take over again.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 1:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Sure; even going back as far as Windows 98 sometimes you would hear a shutdown sound but the PC still would not shut down. The sound is just one thing in a series of tasks executed when one performs a shutdown. And it's never going to be one of the last tasks executed, because shutting down background programmes like the stuff that makes your sound device work is also part of the sequence. So a shutdown sound guarantees ... not much, really, just that the specific operation designated "play shutdown sound" has executed.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: January 8, 2020 11:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

And even in Windows 7 I had situations where the shut-down sound played and then one of my sighted employees or my wife said the computer had not powered down because of some message which Jaws didn't read any more.
But adding it to Windows 10 as an elevated task as I described in my other email does work well and it's better than nothing.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 3:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10


Unfortunately, there is no shutdown sound in Windows 10. Hacking the registry to produce logoff or shutdown sounds is a bad idea, no matter what the other "experts" on this list may tell you to the contrary. The bottom line is that hacking the registry can often produce unwanted or unpredictable results. If you want to be sure that your computer has completely powered off after you initiate a shutdown, I suggest purchasing a small USB-powered cooling fan and connecting it to a front or rear panel USB port. When the computer powers off, the fan will stop spinning. Simple as that.


Gerald



On 1/8/2020 1:40 AM, Shankar C wrote:
Hi bill, hope things are well at you.
I am using windows 10 1903 with jaws 2020 on my dell laptop.
I have downloaded the Shutdown-Logoff-Logon-Sound-Hacks folder and
extracted, and added them in the windows Registry.
and on the sound events, I also checked the check box which says play sounds.
now, I can able to eare only logon sounds.
I am unable to eare the sounds for other events such as logoff,
shutdown, and restart.

I kindly request you to help me on this.






On 8/3/18, Robert Wright <wrightsiphone@...> wrote:
I was able to get windows log on and off to show in the registry but
exit is still not showing.

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for
you! ***

From: Tom
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 3:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Thanks Bill.

Tom


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Bill White
Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2018 3:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Yes, it works.

“System Exit” is the event associated with shutdown.

“Windows logoff” is associated with signing off to log on as a
different user.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 9:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Hi Bill,
I downloaded the file containing the scripts you mentioned and unzipped it.
The unzip procedure creates three folders each containing 2 files.

What is the difference between “System Exit” and Windows logoff”?

Have you tried this technique and did it work?

Thanks
Tom


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Bill White
Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2018 7:19 AM
To: JFW Mailing List <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Hi. I tried to send this message to the JAWS list before, but it
hasn't shown up in the last 27 minutes, so I am sending it again, in
hopes that it will get through this time.

In case someone cannot find this page on Ehow, I am including the
link below that will download the zip file containing the registry
edit scripts that will return the logon, logoff and system exit
events back to the Sound settings without having to manually edit the registry.

https://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Shutdown-Logoff-
Logon-Sound-Hacks.zip

Bill White
billwhite92701@...






moderated Re: Elbraille 40?

Randy Meyer
 

David:

 

For me the ElBraille 14 can be carried in a jacket pocket or even a pants pocket.  I pair my small laptop with a 40-cell display making it slightly less portable.

 

I switch between using both depending on if I am carry a briefcase, how much computer power I want and how much battery life I need.

 

I could go to a more portable version of my laptop by using my 14-cell display with it, but then I would need to remove from the ElBraille dock.

 

If I was starting over, I probably would just go with a mini laptop, due to the slower speed of ElBraille and small storage space.  However, I am glad there are options and I still credit the purchase of the ElBraille with forcing me to learn all of the Braille commands.

 

Randy Meyer

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 4:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

 

I have ben wondering, for the price, what is the advantage of using the El Braille instead of a small laptop and a Braille display!

My laptops are only $250.00!

I use win10 and everything!

I have never been able to figure this out, and I was wondering what you use the El Braille for that makes it worth the price from Vispero?

David More

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Michael Munn
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

 

on a Focus Braille To quickly switch between USB and Bluetooth is to hold down the Power Key and dot 123 

The Focus 40 5th Generation can connect up to 5 devices at a time via Bluetooth. 

Thanks for asking.

Best regards 

Michael Munn 

I agree, it seems to take a second or three to open up Word, where my desktop and laptop it seems like a second or less.  It works fine in word, but it does take a second or two to bring up the save as dialog.

The hard drive is small, you have to be careful not to fill it up.  It does have a data drive in addition to the regular drive.  I would say plan to install office 365, Jaws and windows 10 and not a lot beyond that.  On a positive note, I have not lost any files or data off of the hard drive, unlike a number of Braille note takers I have owned over 30+ years.

It is great to use actual windows 10 and office 365, rather than proprietary note taker software that can open word and excel files and edit them, but is not word or excel.

Randy Meyer

-----Original Message-----
From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:50 PM
To:
main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

That's about right yes. The machine has an EMMC solid state drive, so read and write times are a lot quicker than a conventional mechanical hard drive. Think of it like having a thumb drive with no moving parts inside the machine instead of the wurring hard drive.
The problem comes when you do processor intensive things. As I said though, for general office tasks and less resource intensive activities, it will get the job done. Perhaps not quite as speedily as other machines, but it will also give you 18 plus hours of batterylife.


-----Original Message-----
From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:46 PM
To:
main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

Hi,
I just watched a few youtube videos, that demoed the elbraille 14.
One of the videos showed booting up, and opening word, both of which, I thought were very fast.
It seemed like jaws was loaded in about 30 seconds, maybe more like a minute.
Is that accurate?

Thanks,
Jessica
> On Jan 8, 2020, at 3:25 PM, Tyler Wood <
tcwood12@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Randy,
> The elbraille 14 can be paired with Bluetooth to the gdp pocket. With a simple command, the unit can be switched from USB, which is how it communicate with the elbraille, to Bluetooth. Alternatively you could undo the USB connection from the docking station and connect it to the pocket. It's unfortunate that you have Bluetooth issues - I regularly use mine on my Android phone and switch back to the elbraille for other things.
> The docking station - essentially the part that is the windows computer - is slow, however is perfectly fine for general usage and as you said will give excellent batterylife compared with 99% of new laptops.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Meyer
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 1:38 PM
> To:
main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> I have an ElBraille 14.  I have found it to be slow.  It was affordable, as I already had Jaws, bought a used focus 14 display, and paid some where around $1,000 for the docking station.  I agree that the battery life is great.
>
> I recently purchased a mini laptop, the GDP Pocket for around $350 and pared it with a used focus 40 display I picked up at a reasonable price.  It is faster.  I found I needed to connect the display by cord, because Bluetooth was unreliable.  I like that it gives me the option to use the small keyboard on the computer instead of the Braille display keyboard.  I only do this when something stumps me for the correct Braille keyboard command.  The downside is far less battery life, especially because the Braille display draws from the computer's battery before using it's own.  I would say my battery life runs somewhere between 4 and 6 hours, depending on use, where the ElBraille is probably triple that.
>
> Purchasing the ElBraille did force me to learn all of the Braille keyboard commands, which gave me the confidence to purchase the GDP Pocket and try it with a Braille display.  I can put the ElBraille 14 in a jacket pocket or even a pants pocket, where I can not do that with a GDP Pocket with a 40-cell display.
>
> I still use both machines depending on the convenience factor and computer power needed.
>
> Randy Meyer
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
> Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:02 AM
> To:
main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> It is fascinating to me that their web site does not give any prices for the 14 or 40 version of this low-end Windows machine combo and if one follows the link to the place to purchase either one, you find a 404 page not found error.
> I wouldn't be in the market anyway, but just curious.
> I personally would rather have a full fledged laptop and a braille display but I guess I can understand the appeal to some with the extended battery life they claim.
>
> O well, I'll shut up now on this topic.
>
>
>
> Richard
>
>
🖖 Live long and prosper
>
>
> Check out my web site at:
www.turner42.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Les
> Kriegler
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:44 AM
> To:
main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> Hi Richard,
>
> I'll be glad to try and answer your question with the understanding that I know far less than you.  If someone was in the market for a braille note taker, the idea is that you have an integrated unit, braille display and ElBraille unit which runs the Windows Operating System.  So you could run Office 365, 2019, 2016 or 2013.  Many have Jaws already, so one does not have to buy Jaws again.  For those who don't have a Jaws license, it will be more expensive, I don't know the price of the bundle for the unit, Focus 40 Five and Jaws.  In my case, if I purchase the ElBraille 5, I only need the unit as I already have Jaws and the Focus 5 display.  Hope this helps.
>
> Les
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
> Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:33 AM
> To:
main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> OK, could someone who knows far more than I explain what the point is with this new device from FS?
>
> ElBraille 40 V combines the flexibility of a modern mainstream computer running the Windows® 10 operating system with JAWS® and a 40-cell Braille display with a full Braille keyboard to offer a fully accessible compact solution. (JAWS and Braille display sold separately.
>
> I copied the above from their web site. What is the point if you have to buy the Focus 40 blue and Jaws separately?
> )
>
>
>
>
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
> -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by
> Jane Wagner
>
>
>
>    On Jan 8, 2020, at 5:21 AM, Les Kriegler <
kriegler01@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>    Hi Jessica,
>
>    If you check FS's site, you'll see that shipping is scheduled for this month.  Back in October, the unit was supposed to be out in a matter of days.  In November, the same statement was made on the FS OpenLine podcast.  I have no idea as to what the issues are, as nobody has publicly indicated anything.  I heard there was a parts issue, but that was supposed to have been resolved last September.  The Focus 40 5 is definitely not out.
>
>    Les
>
>    -----Original Message-----
>    From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
>    Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:45 AM
>    To:
main@jfw.groups.io
>    Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
>    Hi,
>    Earlier, someone mentioned delays.
>    Are there production delays?
>    Is the elbraille 5th generation out?
>    I keep checking the fs website, but last I saw, it said, "shippingin November."
>    Thanks,
>    Jessica
>
>
>
>
>
>       On Jan 8, 2020, at 7:42 AM, Michael Munn <
michaelrbms@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>       
>       I don't know whether you can connect the entire note taker and  use it as a Braille display, but you can detach the Braille display and use the braille  in conjunction with your iPhone.
>       Thanks for asking.
>       Best regards
>       Michael  Munn
>
>
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>       On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:44 PM Michael Munn via Groups.Io <michaelrbms=
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>
>           It is a Windows 10 computer being compacted in to a small box. You can do anything that used to do on a Windows 10 computer to ElBraille 40. Note Taker.
>           > On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Jessica D <
jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote:
>           >
>           > Hi,
>           > Thank you both for the info.
>           > Can you use your microsoft account password, as your login password?
>           > This is what I do currently.
>           > I'm on the home annual license, and have activated 1 of my allowed 3 computers.
>           >
>           > Thanks,
>           > Jessica
>           >> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:24 PM, Tyler Wood <
tcwood12@... <mailto:tcwood12@...> > wrote:
>           >>
>           >> Hi,
>           >> I have the Elbraille 14 and it is very well made. It is not the 40, but it is also detachable.
>           >> Thanks
>           >>
>           >>
>           >> -----Original Message-----
>           >> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>  <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Michael Munn
>           >> Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:22 PM
>           >> To:
main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
>           >> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>           >>
>           >> The El Braille 40 5 Generation is a very well made piece. I I have the opportunity to play with it during NFB Convention last year in Las Vegas NV and the size is a little big. That is the cons of the unit. The Pro of the El Braille 40 5th generation is that you can get a braille display along with 2 activation of Jaws. Unlike ElBraille 40 4th Generation, the El Braille display 5th generation is detachable from the docking Station. A user can take the Braille display with them.
>           >> Overall, This is a device that worth buying.
>           >> It is a little expensive though.
>           >>>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Jessica D <
jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote:
>           >>>
>           >>> Hi,
>           >>> I currently have a Braillenote touch+ from HumanWare.
>           >>> However, due to battery and other issues, I had to send it in for repair.
>           >>> If they can’t fix it, I’m considering purchasing an ElBraille 40.
>           >>>
>           >>> Does anyone on here have experience with these devices?
>           >>> I tired to connect my braillenote to my computer for use with jaws, but it failed.
>           >>>
>           >>> Thanks,
>           >>>
>           >>> Jessica
>           >>>
>           >>>
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moderated Re: Elbraille 40?

Jessica D
 

Hi,
Right, I'm fully aware and 100% ok with the fact that the elbraille only has a braille keyboard.
I know braille.
The hardest part for me personally, will be learning the braille commands.
However, this task shouldn't be that difficult because I'm a very quick learner.
I also love to learn how to use my assistive tech, and for the most part, am self-taught, with help from user guides, and mailing lists, when necessary.

Thanks,
Jessica

On Jan 8, 2020, at 9:55 PM, Milton Ota <mota1252@...> wrote:

Hello All:
There is something that has not been mentioned here regarding the El Braille. It has nice features, fast and powerful but comparing it with a laptop the El Braille does not have a QWERTY keyboard. Everything is run from the keyboard of the Focus 14 or 40 braille display.

I must say that for what you are getting, and from what I have seen it is a bit pricy and you could get a netbook computer with an SSD drive and a 13 inch width and spend your money in finding the Focus 14 or 40 to be a much more price saver.

Also, I was told that doing windows update is not going to be the same as getting a comercially baught computer as there are some proprietary that Freedom Scientific and the manufacturer of the El Braille in Russa have done.

If I'm wrong on these things, I hope someone will varify them so that people don't plop a lot of money down a black hole and end up with something that gets outdated quickly as the technology is changing too fast.

Original message:
Hi,
I have a pc and braillenote touch+. Sometimes, I'm in invironments where hearing jaws, with speech alone is difficult, if not impossible.
Also, my laptop, being a 15-inch is quite huge and heavy, when placed in a backpack.
If I were to get an elbraille, like I'm seriously thinking of doing, that would become my main machine, and I'd use the laptop at home, or for things the elbraille can't handle.
Thanks,
Jessica


On Jan 8, 2020, at 8:35 PM, Morey Worthington <worthington@...> wrote:



Hi David. If this is you, and sorry about changing subject, but is there a tutorial made by you, or someone you know of, about using Outlook and its keystrokes?
Any thought appreciated. Again, sorry about changing subject line.
Morey Worthington
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 4:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
I have ben wondering, for the price, what is the advantage of using the El Braille instead of a small laptop and a Braille display!
My laptops are only $250.00!
I use win10 and everything!
I have never been able to figure this out, and I was wondering what you use the El Braille for that makes it worth the price from Vispero?
David More
Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
From: Michael Munn <mailto:michaelrbms@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
on a Focus Braille To quickly switch between USB and Bluetooth is to hold down the Power Key and dot 123
The Focus 40 5th Generation can connect up to 5 devices at a time via Bluetooth.
Thanks for asking.
Best regards
Michael Munn
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I agree, it seems to take a second or three to open up Word, where my desktop and laptop it seems like a second or less. It works fine in word, but it does take a second or two to bring up the save as dialog. The hard drive is small, you have to be careful not to fill it up. It does have a data drive in addition to the regular drive. I would say plan to install office 365, Jaws and windows 10 and not a lot beyond that. On a positive note, I have not lost any files or data off of the hard drive, unlike a number of Braille note takers I have owned over 30+ years. It is great to use actual windows 10 and office 365, rather than proprietary note taker software that can open word and excel files and edit them, but is not word or excel. Randy Meyer -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:50 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Elbraille 40? That's about right yes. The machine has an EMMC solid state drive, so read and write times are a lot quicker than a conventional mechanical hard drive. Think of it like having a thumb drive with no moving parts inside the machine instead of the wurring hard drive. The problem comes when you do processor intensive things. As I said though, for general office tasks and less resource intensive activities, it will get the job done. Perhaps not quite as speedily as other machines, but it will also give you 18 plus hours of batterylife. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:46 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Elbraille 40? Hi, I just watched a few youtube videos, that demoed the elbraille 14. One of the videos showed booting up, and opening word, both of which, I thought were very fast. It seemed like jaws was loaded in about 30 seconds, maybe more like a minute. Is that accurate? Thanks, Jessica > On Jan 8, 2020, at 3:25 PM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote: > > Hi Randy, > The elbraille 14 can be paired with Bluetooth to the gdp pocket. With a simple command, the unit can be switched from USB, which is how it communicate with the elbraille, to Bluetooth. Alternatively you could undo the USB connection from the docking station and connect it to the pocket. It's unfortunate that you have Bluetooth issues - I regularly use mine on my Android phone and switch back to the elbraille for other things. > The docking station - essentially the part that is the windows computer - is slow, however is perfectly fine for general usage and as you said will give excellent batterylife compared with 99% of new laptops. > > -----Original Message----- > From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Meyer > Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 1:38 PM > To: main@jfw.groups.io > Subject: Re: Elbraille 40? > > I have an ElBraille 14. I have found it to be slow. It was affordable, as I already had Jaws, bought a used focus 14 display, and paid some where around $1,000 for the docking station. I agree that the battery life is great. > > I recently purchased a mini laptop, the GDP Pocket for around $350 and pared it with a used focus 40 display I picked up at a reasonable price. It is faster. I found I needed to connect the display by cord, because Bluetooth was unreliable. I like that it gives me the option to use the small keyboard on the computer instead of the Braille display keyboard. I only do this when something stumps me for the correct Braille keyboard command. The downside is far less battery life, especially because the Braille display draws from the computer's battery before using it's own. I would say my battery life runs somewhere between 4 and 6 hours, depending on use, where the ElBraille is probably triple that. > > Purchasing the ElBraille did force me to learn all of the Braille keyboard commands, which gave me the confidence to purchase the GDP Pocket and try it with a Braille display. I can put the ElBraille 14 in a jacket pocket or even a pants pocket, where I can not do that with a GDP Pocket with a 40-cell display. > > I still use both machines depending on the convenience factor and computer power needed. > > Randy Meyer > > -----Original Message----- > From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard > Turner > Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:02 AM > To: main@jfw.groups.io > Subject: Re: Elbraille 40? > > It is fascinating to me that their web site does not give any prices for the 14 or 40 version of this low-end Windows machine combo and if one follows the link to the place to purchase either one, you find a 404 page not found error. > I wouldn't be in the market anyway, but just curious. > I personally would rather have a full fledged laptop and a braille display but I guess I can understand the appeal to some with the extended battery life they claim. > > O well, I'll shut up now on this topic. > > > > Richard > > 🖖 Live long and prosper > > > Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Les > Kriegler > Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:44 AM > To: main@jfw.groups.io > Subject: Re: Elbraille 40? > > Hi Richard, > > I'll be glad to try and answer your question with the understanding that I know far less than you. If someone was in the market for a braille note taker, the idea is that you have an integrated unit, braille display and ElBraille unit which runs the Windows Operating System. So you could run Office 365, 2019, 2016 or 2013. Many have Jaws already, so one does not have to buy Jaws again. For those who don't have a Jaws license, it will be more expensive, I don't know the price of the bundle for the unit, Focus 40 Five and Jaws. In my case, if I purchase the ElBraille 5, I only need the unit as I already have Jaws and the Focus 5 display. Hope this helps. > > Les > > -----Original Message----- > From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard > Turner > Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:33 AM > To: main@jfw.groups.io > Subject: Re: Elbraille 40? > > OK, could someone who knows far more than I explain what the point is with this new device from FS? > > ElBraille 40 V combines the flexibility of a modern mainstream computer running the Windows® 10 operating system with JAWS® and a 40-cell Braille display with a full Braille keyboard to offer a fully accessible compact solution. (JAWS and Braille display sold separately. > > I copied the above from their web site. What is the point if you have to buy the Focus 40 blue and Jaws separately? > ) > > > > > Richard > "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." > -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by > Jane Wagner > > > > On Jan 8, 2020, at 5:21 AM, Les Kriegler <kriegler01@...> wrote: > > > > Hi Jessica, > > If you check FS's site, you'll see that shipping is scheduled for this month. Back in October, the unit was supposed to be out in a matter of days. In November, the same statement was made on the FS OpenLine podcast. I have no idea as to what the issues are, as nobody has publicly indicated anything. I heard there was a parts issue, but that was supposed to have been resolved last September. The Focus 40 5 is definitely not out. > > Les > > -----Original Message----- > From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D > Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:45 AM > To: main@jfw.groups.io > Subject: Re: Elbraille 40? > > Hi, > Earlier, someone mentioned delays. > Are there production delays? > Is the elbraille 5th generation out? > I keep checking the fs website, but last I saw, it said, "shippingin November." > Thanks, > Jessica > > > > > > On Jan 8, 2020, at 7:42 AM, Michael Munn <michaelrbms@...> wrote: > > > >  > I don't know whether you can connect the entire note taker and use it as a Braille display, but you can detach the Braille display and use the braille in conjunction with your iPhone. > Thanks for asking. > Best regards > Michael Munn > > > > <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww. > freedomscientific.com%2FCertification&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C1aa374d6cd > 2b40a46fcc08d79440d136%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C63 > 7140878408052422&amp;sdata=ZqV3BWc%2FSCgINksACEizpnI79mlqTduoTIZ9USao% > 2FtY%3D&amp;reserved=0> > > Member: Virginia Association of Blind Students National > Federation of the Blind of Virginia > > > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.nfbv.org&amp;d > ata=02%7C01%7C%7C1aa374d6cd2b40a46fcc08d79440d136%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb4 > 35aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637140878408052422&amp;sdata=iu7nxnn7%2FLzFiO > pwaq3mikK6cyvtG6K6gSH4c%2Fc%2FnBg%3D&amp;reserved=0 > <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww. > nfbv.org&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C1aa374d6cd2b40a46fcc08d79440d136%7C84df > 9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637140878408052422&amp;sdata=w5 > sYibqsjyP%2Bq2pfHpmBtBnl15XPqcnqhmLik%2Bh2ou0%3D&amp;reserved=0> > > Student of: Hadley Institute of the Blind > > > > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.hadley.edu&amp > ;data=02%7C01%7C%7C1aa374d6cd2b40a46fcc08d79440d136%7C84df9e7fe9f640af > b435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637140878408052422&amp;sdata=iLxHncit4%2FlG > yx%2BQKToctZ1RLKaNnS3oimswNwrQCC8%3D&amp;reserved=0 > <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww. > hadley.edu&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C1aa374d6cd2b40a46fcc08d79440d136%7C84 > df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637140878408052422&amp;sdata= > lf59glxZm553WWLHdkIXhAZIpkZ73k3xkw9zEeX1Be0%3D&amp;reserved=0> > > > > On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:44 PM Michael Munn via Groups.Io <michaelrbms=gmail.com@groups.io <mailto:gmail.com@groups.io> > wrote: > > > It is a Windows 10 computer being compacted in to a small box. You can do anything that used to do on a Windows 10 computer to ElBraille 40. Note Taker. > > On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Jessica D <jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote: > > > > Hi, > > Thank you both for the info. > > Can you use your microsoft account password, as your login password? > > This is what I do currently. > > I'm on the home annual license, and have activated 1 of my allowed 3 computers. > > > > Thanks, > > Jessica > >> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:24 PM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@... <mailto:tcwood12@...> > wrote: > >> > >> Hi, > >> I have the Elbraille 14 and it is very well made. It is not the 40, but it is also detachable. > >> Thanks > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Michael Munn > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:22 PM > >> To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > >> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40? > >> > >> The El Braille 40 5 Generation is a very well made piece. I I have the opportunity to play with it during NFB Convention last year in Las Vegas NV and the size is a little big. That is the cons of the unit. The Pro of the El Braille 40 5th generation is that you can get a braille display along with 2 activation of Jaws. Unlike ElBraille 40 4th Generation, the El Braille display 5th generation is detachable from the docking Station. A user can take the Braille display with them. > >> Overall, This is a device that worth buying. > >> It is a little expensive though. > >>>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Jessica D <jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi, > >>> I currently have a Braillenote touch+ from HumanWare. > >>> However, due to battery and other issues, I had to send it in for repair. > >>> If they can’t fix it, I’m considering purchasing an ElBraille 40. > >>> > >>> Does anyone on here have experience with these devices? > >>> I tired to connect my braillenote to my computer for use with jaws, but it failed. > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> > >>> Jessica > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.freedomscientific.com/Certification>

moderated Re: Elbraille 40?

Milton Ota <mota1252@...>
 

Hello All:
There is something that has not been mentioned here regarding the El Braille. It has nice features, fast and powerful but comparing it with a laptop the El Braille does not have a QWERTY keyboard. Everything is run from the keyboard of the Focus 14 or 40 braille display.

I must say that for what you are getting, and from what I have seen it is a bit pricy and you could get a netbook computer with an SSD drive and a 13 inch width and spend your money in finding the Focus 14 or 40 to be a much more price saver.

Also, I was told that doing windows update is not going to be the same as getting a comercially baught computer as there are some proprietary that Freedom Scientific and the manufacturer of the El Braille in Russa have done.

If I'm wrong on these things, I hope someone will varify them so that people don't plop a lot of money down a black hole and end up with something that gets outdated quickly as the technology is changing too fast.

Original message:

Hi,
I have a pc and braillenote touch+. Sometimes, I'm in invironments where hearing jaws, with speech alone is difficult, if not impossible.
Also, my laptop, being a 15-inch is quite huge and heavy, when placed in a backpack.
If I were to get an elbraille, like I'm seriously thinking of doing, that would become my main machine, and I'd use the laptop at home, or for things the elbraille can't handle.
Thanks,
Jessica


On Jan 8, 2020, at 8:35 PM, Morey Worthington <worthington@...> wrote:



Hi David. If this is you, and sorry about changing subject, but is there a tutorial made by you, or someone you know of, about using Outlook and its keystrokes?
Any thought appreciated. Again, sorry about changing subject line.
Morey Worthington
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I have ben wondering, for the price, what is the advantage of using the El Braille instead of a small laptop and a Braille display!
My laptops are only $250.00!
I use win10 and everything!
I have never been able to figure this out, and I was wondering what you use the El Braille for that makes it worth the price from Vispero?
David More
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on a Focus Braille To quickly switch between USB and Bluetooth is to hold down the Power Key and dot 123
The Focus 40 5th Generation can connect up to 5 devices at a time via Bluetooth.
Thanks for asking.
Best regards
Michael Munn
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I agree, it seems to take a second or three to open up Word, where my desktop and laptop it seems like a second or less. It works fine in word, but it does take a second or two to bring up the save as dialog. The hard drive is small, you have to be careful not to fill it up. It does have a data drive in addition to the regular drive. I would say plan to install office 365, Jaws and windows 10 and not a lot beyond that. On a positive note, I have not lost any files or data off of the hard drive, unlike a number of Braille note takers I have owned over 30+ years. It is great to use actual windows 10 and office 365, rather than proprietary note taker software that can open word and excel files and edit them, but is not word or excel. Randy Meyer -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:50 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Elbraille 40? That's about right yes. The machine has an EMMC solid state drive, so read and write times are a lot quicker than a conventional mechanical hard drive. Think of it like having a thumb drive with no moving parts inside the machine instead of the wurring hard drive. The problem comes when you do processor intensive things. As I said though, for general office tasks and less resource intensive activities, it will get the job done. Perhaps not quite as speedily as other machines, but it will also give you 18 plus hours of batterylife. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:46 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Elbraille 40? Hi, I just watched a few youtube videos, that demoed the elbraille 14. One of the videos showed booting up, and opening word, both of which, I thought were very fast. It seemed like jaws was loaded in about 30 seconds, maybe more like a minute. Is that accurate? Thanks, Jessica > On Jan 8, 2020, at 3:25 PM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote: > > Hi Randy, > The elbraille 14 can be paired with Bluetooth to the gdp pocket. With a simple command, the unit can be switched from USB, which is how it communicate with the elbraille, to Bluetooth. Alternatively you could undo the USB connection from the docking station and connect it to the pocket. It's unfortunate that you have Bluetooth issues - I regularly use mine on my Android phone and switch back to the elbraille for other things. > The docking station - essentially the part that is the windows computer - is slow, however is perfectly fine for general usage and as you said will give excellent batterylife compared with 99% of new laptops. > > -----Original Message----- > From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Meyer > Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 1:38 PM > To: main@jfw.groups.io > Subject: Re: Elbraille 40? > > I have an ElBraille 14. I have found it to be slow. It was affordable, as I already had Jaws, bought a used focus 14 display, and paid some where around $1,000 for the docking station. I agree that the battery life is great. > > I recently purchased a mini laptop, the GDP Pocket for around $350 and pared it with a used focus 40 display I picked up at a reasonable price. It is faster. I found I needed to connect the display by cord, because Bluetooth was unreliable. I like that it gives me the option to use the small keyboard on the computer instead of the Braille display keyboard. I only do this when something stumps me for the correct Braille keyboard command. The downside is far less battery life, especially because the Braille display draws from the computer's battery before using it's own. I would say my battery life runs somewhere between 4 and 6 hours, depending on use, where the ElBraille is probably triple that. > > Purchasing the ElBraille did force me to learn all of the Braille keyboard commands, which gave me the confidence to purchase the GDP Pocket and try it with a Braille display. I can put the ElBraille 14 in a jacket pocket or even a pants pocket, where I can not do that with a GDP Pocket with a 40-cell display. > > I still use both machines depending on the convenience factor and computer power needed. > > Randy Meyer > > -----Original Message----- > From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard > Turner > Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:02 AM > To: main@jfw.groups.io > Subject: Re: Elbraille 40? > > It is fascinating to me that their web site does not give any prices for the 14 or 40 version of this low-end Windows machine combo and if one follows the link to the place to purchase either one, you find a 404 page not found error. > I wouldn't be in the market anyway, but just curious. > I personally would rather have a full fledged laptop and a braille display but I guess I can understand the appeal to some with the extended battery life they claim. > > O well, I'll shut up now on this topic. > > > > Richard > > 🖖 Live long and prosper > > > Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Les > Kriegler > Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:44 AM > To: main@jfw.groups.io > Subject: Re: Elbraille 40? > > Hi Richard, > > I'll be glad to try and answer your question with the understanding that I know far less than you. If someone was in the market for a braille note taker, the idea is that you have an integrated unit, braille display and ElBraille unit which runs the Windows Operating System. So you could run Office 365, 2019, 2016 or 2013. Many have Jaws already, so one does not have to buy Jaws again. For those who don't have a Jaws license, it will be more expensive, I don't know the price of the bundle for the unit, Focus 40 Five and Jaws. In my case, if I purchase the ElBraille 5, I only need the unit as I already have Jaws and the Focus 5 display. Hope this helps. > > Les > > -----Original Message----- > From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard > Turner > Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:33 AM > To: main@jfw.groups.io > Subject: Re: Elbraille 40? > > OK, could someone who knows far more than I explain what the point is with this new device from FS? > > ElBraille 40 V combines the flexibility of a modern mainstream computer running the Windows® 10 operating system with JAWS® and a 40-cell Braille display with a full Braille keyboard to offer a fully accessible compact solution. (JAWS and Braille display sold separately.
I copied the above from their web site. What is the point if you
have to buy the Focus 40 blue and Jaws separately? > ) > > > > > Richard > "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." > -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by > Jane Wagner > > > > On Jan 8, 2020, at 5:21 AM, Les Kriegler <kriegler01@...> wrote: > > > > Hi Jessica, > > If you check FS's site, you'll see that shipping is scheduled for this month. Back in October, the unit was supposed to be out in a matter of days. In November, the same statement was made on the FS OpenLine podcast. I have no idea as to what the issues are, as nobody has publicly indicated anything. I heard there was a parts issue, but that was supposed to have been resolved last September. The Focus 40 5 is definitely not out. > > Les > > -----Original Message----- > From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D > Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:45 AM > To: main@jfw.groups.io > Subject: Re: Elbraille 40? > > Hi, > Earlier, someone mentioned delays. > Are there production delays? > Is the elbraille 5th generation out? > I keep checking the fs website, but last I saw, it said, "shippingin November." > Thanks, > Jessica > > > > > > On Jan 8, 2020, at 7:42 AM, Michael Munn <michaelrbms@...> wrote: > > > >  > I don't know whether you can connect the entire note taker and use it as a Braille display, but you can detach the Braille display and use the braille in conjunction with your iPhone. > Thanks for asking. > Best regards > Michael Munn > > > > <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.
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It is a Windows 10 computer being compacted in to a small box.
You can do anything that used to do on a Windows 10 computer to ElBraille 40. Note Taker. > > On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Jessica D <jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote: > > > > Hi, >
Thank you both for the info. > > Can you use your microsoft account
password, as your login password? > > This is what I do currently. > > I'm on the home annual license, and have activated 1 of my allowed 3 computers. > > > > Thanks, > > Jessica > >> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:24 PM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@... <mailto:tcwood12@...> > wrote: >
Hi, > >> I have the Elbraille 14 and it is very well made. It
is not the 40, but it is also detachable. > >> Thanks > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Michael Munn > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:22 PM > >> To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > >> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40? > >> > >> The El Braille 40 5 Generation is a very well made piece. I I have the opportunity to play with it during NFB Convention last year in Las Vegas NV and the size is a little big. That is the cons of the unit. The Pro of the El Braille 40 5th generation is that you can get a braille display along with 2 activation of Jaws. Unlike ElBraille 40 4th Generation, the El Braille display 5th generation is detachable from the docking Station. A user can take the Braille display with them. > >> Overall, This is a device that worth buying. > >> It is a little expensive though. > >>>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Jessica D <jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi, > >>> I currently have a Braillenote touch+ from HumanWare. > >>> However, due to battery and other issues, I had to send it in for repair. > >>> If they can’t fix it, I’m considering purchasing an ElBraille 40. > >>> > >>> Does anyone on here have experience with these devices? > >>> I tired to connect my braillenote to my computer for use with jaws, but it failed. > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> > >>> Jessica > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > >
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moderated Re: Elbraille 40?

Jessica D
 

Hi,
I have a pc and braillenote touch+. Sometimes, I'm in invironments where hearing jaws, with speech alone is difficult, if not impossible. 
Also, my laptop, being a 15-inch is quite huge and heavy, when placed in a backpack. 
If I were to get an elbraille, like I'm seriously thinking of doing, that would become my main machine, and I'd use the laptop at home, or for things the elbraille can't handle. 

Thanks,
Jessica


On Jan 8, 2020, at 8:35 PM, Morey Worthington <worthington@...> wrote:



Hi David. If this is you, and sorry about changing subject, but is there a tutorial made by you, or someone you know of, about using Outlook and its keystrokes?

Any thought appreciated. Again, sorry about changing subject line.

Morey Worthington

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 4:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

 

I have ben wondering, for the price, what is the advantage of using the El Braille instead of a small laptop and a Braille display!

My laptops are only $250.00!

I use win10 and everything!

I have never been able to figure this out, and I was wondering what you use the El Braille for that makes it worth the price from Vispero?

David More

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Michael Munn
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

 

on a Focus Braille To quickly switch between USB and Bluetooth is to hold down the Power Key and dot 123 

The Focus 40 5th Generation can connect up to 5 devices at a time via Bluetooth. 

Thanks for asking.

Best regards 

Michael Munn 

I agree, it seems to take a second or three to open up Word, where my desktop and laptop it seems like a second or less.  It works fine in word, but it does take a second or two to bring up the save as dialog.

The hard drive is small, you have to be careful not to fill it up.  It does have a data drive in addition to the regular drive.  I would say plan to install office 365, Jaws and windows 10 and not a lot beyond that.  On a positive note, I have not lost any files or data off of the hard drive, unlike a number of Braille note takers I have owned over 30+ years.

It is great to use actual windows 10 and office 365, rather than proprietary note taker software that can open word and excel files and edit them, but is not word or excel.

Randy Meyer

-----Original Message-----
From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:50 PM
To:
main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

That's about right yes. The machine has an EMMC solid state drive, so read and write times are a lot quicker than a conventional mechanical hard drive. Think of it like having a thumb drive with no moving parts inside the machine instead of the wurring hard drive.
The problem comes when you do processor intensive things. As I said though, for general office tasks and less resource intensive activities, it will get the job done. Perhaps not quite as speedily as other machines, but it will also give you 18 plus hours of batterylife.


-----Original Message-----
From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:46 PM
To:
main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

Hi,
I just watched a few youtube videos, that demoed the elbraille 14.
One of the videos showed booting up, and opening word, both of which, I thought were very fast.
It seemed like jaws was loaded in about 30 seconds, maybe more like a minute.
Is that accurate?

Thanks,
Jessica
> On Jan 8, 2020, at 3:25 PM, Tyler Wood <
tcwood12@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Randy,
> The elbraille 14 can be paired with Bluetooth to the gdp pocket. With a simple command, the unit can be switched from USB, which is how it communicate with the elbraille, to Bluetooth. Alternatively you could undo the USB connection from the docking station and connect it to the pocket. It's unfortunate that you have Bluetooth issues - I regularly use mine on my Android phone and switch back to the elbraille for other things.
> The docking station - essentially the part that is the windows computer - is slow, however is perfectly fine for general usage and as you said will give excellent batterylife compared with 99% of new laptops.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Meyer
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 1:38 PM
> To:
main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> I have an ElBraille 14.  I have found it to be slow.  It was affordable, as I already had Jaws, bought a used focus 14 display, and paid some where around $1,000 for the docking station.  I agree that the battery life is great.
>
> I recently purchased a mini laptop, the GDP Pocket for around $350 and pared it with a used focus 40 display I picked up at a reasonable price.  It is faster.  I found I needed to connect the display by cord, because Bluetooth was unreliable.  I like that it gives me the option to use the small keyboard on the computer instead of the Braille display keyboard.  I only do this when something stumps me for the correct Braille keyboard command.  The downside is far less battery life, especially because the Braille display draws from the computer's battery before using it's own.  I would say my battery life runs somewhere between 4 and 6 hours, depending on use, where the ElBraille is probably triple that.
>
> Purchasing the ElBraille did force me to learn all of the Braille keyboard commands, which gave me the confidence to purchase the GDP Pocket and try it with a Braille display.  I can put the ElBraille 14 in a jacket pocket or even a pants pocket, where I can not do that with a GDP Pocket with a 40-cell display.
>
> I still use both machines depending on the convenience factor and computer power needed.
>
> Randy Meyer
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
> Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:02 AM
> To:
main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> It is fascinating to me that their web site does not give any prices for the 14 or 40 version of this low-end Windows machine combo and if one follows the link to the place to purchase either one, you find a 404 page not found error.
> I wouldn't be in the market anyway, but just curious.
> I personally would rather have a full fledged laptop and a braille display but I guess I can understand the appeal to some with the extended battery life they claim.
>
> O well, I'll shut up now on this topic.
>
>
>
> Richard
>
>
🖖 Live long and prosper
>
>
> Check out my web site at:
www.turner42.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Les
> Kriegler
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:44 AM
> To:
main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> Hi Richard,
>
> I'll be glad to try and answer your question with the understanding that I know far less than you.  If someone was in the market for a braille note taker, the idea is that you have an integrated unit, braille display and ElBraille unit which runs the Windows Operating System.  So you could run Office 365, 2019, 2016 or 2013.  Many have Jaws already, so one does not have to buy Jaws again.  For those who don't have a Jaws license, it will be more expensive, I don't know the price of the bundle for the unit, Focus 40 Five and Jaws.  In my case, if I purchase the ElBraille 5, I only need the unit as I already have Jaws and the Focus 5 display.  Hope this helps.
>
> Les
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
> Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:33 AM
> To:
main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> OK, could someone who knows far more than I explain what the point is with this new device from FS?
>
> ElBraille 40 V combines the flexibility of a modern mainstream computer running the Windows® 10 operating system with JAWS® and a 40-cell Braille display with a full Braille keyboard to offer a fully accessible compact solution. (JAWS and Braille display sold separately.
>
> I copied the above from their web site. What is the point if you have to buy the Focus 40 blue and Jaws separately?
> )
>
>
>
>
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
> -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by
> Jane Wagner
>
>
>
>    On Jan 8, 2020, at 5:21 AM, Les Kriegler <
kriegler01@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>    Hi Jessica,
>
>    If you check FS's site, you'll see that shipping is scheduled for this month.  Back in October, the unit was supposed to be out in a matter of days.  In November, the same statement was made on the FS OpenLine podcast.  I have no idea as to what the issues are, as nobody has publicly indicated anything.  I heard there was a parts issue, but that was supposed to have been resolved last September.  The Focus 40 5 is definitely not out.
>
>    Les
>
>    -----Original Message-----
>    From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
>    Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:45 AM
>    To:
main@jfw.groups.io
>    Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
>    Hi,
>    Earlier, someone mentioned delays.
>    Are there production delays?
>    Is the elbraille 5th generation out?
>    I keep checking the fs website, but last I saw, it said, "shippingin November."
>    Thanks,
>    Jessica
>
>
>
>
>
>       On Jan 8, 2020, at 7:42 AM, Michael Munn <
michaelrbms@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>       
>       I don't know whether you can connect the entire note taker and  use it as a Braille display, but you can detach the Braille display and use the braille  in conjunction with your iPhone.
>       Thanks for asking.
>       Best regards
>       Michael  Munn
>
>
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>           It is a Windows 10 computer being compacted in to a small box. You can do anything that used to do on a Windows 10 computer to ElBraille 40. Note Taker.
>           > On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Jessica D <
jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote:
>           >
>           > Hi,
>           > Thank you both for the info.
>           > Can you use your microsoft account password, as your login password?
>           > This is what I do currently.
>           > I'm on the home annual license, and have activated 1 of my allowed 3 computers.
>           >
>           > Thanks,
>           > Jessica
>           >> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:24 PM, Tyler Wood <
tcwood12@... <mailto:tcwood12@...> > wrote:
>           >>
>           >> Hi,
>           >> I have the Elbraille 14 and it is very well made. It is not the 40, but it is also detachable.
>           >> Thanks
>           >>
>           >>
>           >> -----Original Message-----
>           >> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>  <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Michael Munn
>           >> Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:22 PM
>           >> To:
main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
>           >> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>           >>
>           >> The El Braille 40 5 Generation is a very well made piece. I I have the opportunity to play with it during NFB Convention last year in Las Vegas NV and the size is a little big. That is the cons of the unit. The Pro of the El Braille 40 5th generation is that you can get a braille display along with 2 activation of Jaws. Unlike ElBraille 40 4th Generation, the El Braille display 5th generation is detachable from the docking Station. A user can take the Braille display with them.
>           >> Overall, This is a device that worth buying.
>           >> It is a little expensive though.
>           >>>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Jessica D <
jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote:
>           >>>
>           >>> Hi,
>           >>> I currently have a Braillenote touch+ from HumanWare.
>           >>> However, due to battery and other issues, I had to send it in for repair.
>           >>> If they can’t fix it, I’m considering purchasing an ElBraille 40.
>           >>>
>           >>> Does anyone on here have experience with these devices?
>           >>> I tired to connect my braillenote to my computer for use with jaws, but it failed.
>           >>>
>           >>> Thanks,
>           >>>
>           >>> Jessica
>           >>>
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moderated Re: Elbraille 40?

Morey Worthington
 

Hi David. If this is you, and sorry about changing subject, but is there a tutorial made by you, or someone you know of, about using Outlook and its keystrokes?

Any thought appreciated. Again, sorry about changing subject line.

Morey Worthington

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 4:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

 

I have ben wondering, for the price, what is the advantage of using the El Braille instead of a small laptop and a Braille display!

My laptops are only $250.00!

I use win10 and everything!

I have never been able to figure this out, and I was wondering what you use the El Braille for that makes it worth the price from Vispero?

David More

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Michael Munn
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

 

on a Focus Braille To quickly switch between USB and Bluetooth is to hold down the Power Key and dot 123 

The Focus 40 5th Generation can connect up to 5 devices at a time via Bluetooth. 

Thanks for asking.

Best regards 

Michael Munn 

I agree, it seems to take a second or three to open up Word, where my desktop and laptop it seems like a second or less.  It works fine in word, but it does take a second or two to bring up the save as dialog.

The hard drive is small, you have to be careful not to fill it up.  It does have a data drive in addition to the regular drive.  I would say plan to install office 365, Jaws and windows 10 and not a lot beyond that.  On a positive note, I have not lost any files or data off of the hard drive, unlike a number of Braille note takers I have owned over 30+ years.

It is great to use actual windows 10 and office 365, rather than proprietary note taker software that can open word and excel files and edit them, but is not word or excel.

Randy Meyer

-----Original Message-----
From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:50 PM
To:
main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

That's about right yes. The machine has an EMMC solid state drive, so read and write times are a lot quicker than a conventional mechanical hard drive. Think of it like having a thumb drive with no moving parts inside the machine instead of the wurring hard drive.
The problem comes when you do processor intensive things. As I said though, for general office tasks and less resource intensive activities, it will get the job done. Perhaps not quite as speedily as other machines, but it will also give you 18 plus hours of batterylife.


-----Original Message-----
From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:46 PM
To:
main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

Hi,
I just watched a few youtube videos, that demoed the elbraille 14.
One of the videos showed booting up, and opening word, both of which, I thought were very fast.
It seemed like jaws was loaded in about 30 seconds, maybe more like a minute.
Is that accurate?

Thanks,
Jessica
> On Jan 8, 2020, at 3:25 PM, Tyler Wood <
tcwood12@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Randy,
> The elbraille 14 can be paired with Bluetooth to the gdp pocket. With a simple command, the unit can be switched from USB, which is how it communicate with the elbraille, to Bluetooth. Alternatively you could undo the USB connection from the docking station and connect it to the pocket. It's unfortunate that you have Bluetooth issues - I regularly use mine on my Android phone and switch back to the elbraille for other things.
> The docking station - essentially the part that is the windows computer - is slow, however is perfectly fine for general usage and as you said will give excellent batterylife compared with 99% of new laptops.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Meyer
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 1:38 PM
> To:
main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> I have an ElBraille 14.  I have found it to be slow.  It was affordable, as I already had Jaws, bought a used focus 14 display, and paid some where around $1,000 for the docking station.  I agree that the battery life is great.
>
> I recently purchased a mini laptop, the GDP Pocket for around $350 and pared it with a used focus 40 display I picked up at a reasonable price.  It is faster.  I found I needed to connect the display by cord, because Bluetooth was unreliable.  I like that it gives me the option to use the small keyboard on the computer instead of the Braille display keyboard.  I only do this when something stumps me for the correct Braille keyboard command.  The downside is far less battery life, especially because the Braille display draws from the computer's battery before using it's own.  I would say my battery life runs somewhere between 4 and 6 hours, depending on use, where the ElBraille is probably triple that.
>
> Purchasing the ElBraille did force me to learn all of the Braille keyboard commands, which gave me the confidence to purchase the GDP Pocket and try it with a Braille display.  I can put the ElBraille 14 in a jacket pocket or even a pants pocket, where I can not do that with a GDP Pocket with a 40-cell display.
>
> I still use both machines depending on the convenience factor and computer power needed.
>
> Randy Meyer
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
> Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:02 AM
> To:
main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> It is fascinating to me that their web site does not give any prices for the 14 or 40 version of this low-end Windows machine combo and if one follows the link to the place to purchase either one, you find a 404 page not found error.
> I wouldn't be in the market anyway, but just curious.
> I personally would rather have a full fledged laptop and a braille display but I guess I can understand the appeal to some with the extended battery life they claim.
>
> O well, I'll shut up now on this topic.
>
>
>
> Richard
>
>
🖖 Live long and prosper
>
>
> Check out my web site at:
www.turner42.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Les
> Kriegler
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:44 AM
> To:
main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> Hi Richard,
>
> I'll be glad to try and answer your question with the understanding that I know far less than you.  If someone was in the market for a braille note taker, the idea is that you have an integrated unit, braille display and ElBraille unit which runs the Windows Operating System.  So you could run Office 365, 2019, 2016 or 2013.  Many have Jaws already, so one does not have to buy Jaws again.  For those who don't have a Jaws license, it will be more expensive, I don't know the price of the bundle for the unit, Focus 40 Five and Jaws.  In my case, if I purchase the ElBraille 5, I only need the unit as I already have Jaws and the Focus 5 display.  Hope this helps.
>
> Les
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
> Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:33 AM
> To:
main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> OK, could someone who knows far more than I explain what the point is with this new device from FS?
>
> ElBraille 40 V combines the flexibility of a modern mainstream computer running the Windows® 10 operating system with JAWS® and a 40-cell Braille display with a full Braille keyboard to offer a fully accessible compact solution. (JAWS and Braille display sold separately.
>
> I copied the above from their web site. What is the point if you have to buy the Focus 40 blue and Jaws separately?
> )
>
>
>
>
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
> -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by
> Jane Wagner
>
>
>
>    On Jan 8, 2020, at 5:21 AM, Les Kriegler <
kriegler01@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>    Hi Jessica,
>
>    If you check FS's site, you'll see that shipping is scheduled for this month.  Back in October, the unit was supposed to be out in a matter of days.  In November, the same statement was made on the FS OpenLine podcast.  I have no idea as to what the issues are, as nobody has publicly indicated anything.  I heard there was a parts issue, but that was supposed to have been resolved last September.  The Focus 40 5 is definitely not out.
>
>    Les
>
>    -----Original Message-----
>    From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
>    Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:45 AM
>    To:
main@jfw.groups.io
>    Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
>    Hi,
>    Earlier, someone mentioned delays.
>    Are there production delays?
>    Is the elbraille 5th generation out?
>    I keep checking the fs website, but last I saw, it said, "shippingin November."
>    Thanks,
>    Jessica
>
>
>
>
>
>       On Jan 8, 2020, at 7:42 AM, Michael Munn <
michaelrbms@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>       
>       I don't know whether you can connect the entire note taker and  use it as a Braille display, but you can detach the Braille display and use the braille  in conjunction with your iPhone.
>       Thanks for asking.
>       Best regards
>       Michael  Munn
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>           It is a Windows 10 computer being compacted in to a small box. You can do anything that used to do on a Windows 10 computer to ElBraille 40. Note Taker.
>           > On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Jessica D <
jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote:
>           >
>           > Hi,
>           > Thank you both for the info.
>           > Can you use your microsoft account password, as your login password?
>           > This is what I do currently.
>           > I'm on the home annual license, and have activated 1 of my allowed 3 computers.
>           >
>           > Thanks,
>           > Jessica
>           >> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:24 PM, Tyler Wood <
tcwood12@... <mailto:tcwood12@...> > wrote:
>           >>
>           >> Hi,
>           >> I have the Elbraille 14 and it is very well made. It is not the 40, but it is also detachable.
>           >> Thanks
>           >>
>           >>
>           >> -----Original Message-----
>           >> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>  <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Michael Munn
>           >> Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:22 PM
>           >> To:
main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
>           >> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>           >>
>           >> The El Braille 40 5 Generation is a very well made piece. I I have the opportunity to play with it during NFB Convention last year in Las Vegas NV and the size is a little big. That is the cons of the unit. The Pro of the El Braille 40 5th generation is that you can get a braille display along with 2 activation of Jaws. Unlike ElBraille 40 4th Generation, the El Braille display 5th generation is detachable from the docking Station. A user can take the Braille display with them.
>           >> Overall, This is a device that worth buying.
>           >> It is a little expensive though.
>           >>>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Jessica D <
jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote:
>           >>>
>           >>> Hi,
>           >>> I currently have a Braillenote touch+ from HumanWare.
>           >>> However, due to battery and other issues, I had to send it in for repair.
>           >>> If they can’t fix it, I’m considering purchasing an ElBraille 40.
>           >>>
>           >>> Does anyone on here have experience with these devices?
>           >>> I tired to connect my braillenote to my computer for use with jaws, but it failed.
>           >>>
>           >>> Thanks,
>           >>>
>           >>> Jessica
>           >>>
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moderated Re: Elbraille 40?

Tyler Wood
 

Hi,
Press the power button once, then dots 1-2-3 together to switch from one to the other.
Hope that helps.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Meyer
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 3:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

Tyler:

Can you remind me of the command to switch be tween USB and Bluetooth?

I wish there was a email group dedicated to the ElBraille.

Thank you.

Randy Meyer

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

Hi Randy,
The elbraille 14 can be paired with Bluetooth to the gdp pocket. With a simple command, the unit can be switched from USB, which is how it communicate with the elbraille, to Bluetooth. Alternatively you could undo the USB connection from the docking station and connect it to the pocket. It's unfortunate that you have Bluetooth issues - I regularly use mine on my Android phone and switch back to the elbraille for other things.
The docking station - essentially the part that is the windows computer - is slow, however is perfectly fine for general usage and as you said will give excellent batterylife compared with 99% of new laptops.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Meyer
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 1:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

I have an ElBraille 14. I have found it to be slow. It was affordable, as I already had Jaws, bought a used focus 14 display, and paid some where around $1,000 for the docking station. I agree that the battery life is great.

I recently purchased a mini laptop, the GDP Pocket for around $350 and pared it with a used focus 40 display I picked up at a reasonable price. It is faster. I found I needed to connect the display by cord, because Bluetooth was unreliable. I like that it gives me the option to use the small keyboard on the computer instead of the Braille display keyboard. I only do this when something stumps me for the correct Braille keyboard command. The downside is far less battery life, especially because the Braille display draws from the computer's battery before using it's own. I would say my battery life runs somewhere between 4 and 6 hours, depending on use, where the ElBraille is probably triple that.

Purchasing the ElBraille did force me to learn all of the Braille keyboard commands, which gave me the confidence to purchase the GDP Pocket and try it with a Braille display. I can put the ElBraille 14 in a jacket pocket or even a pants pocket, where I can not do that with a GDP Pocket with a 40-cell display.

I still use both machines depending on the convenience factor and computer power needed.

Randy Meyer

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

It is fascinating to me that their web site does not give any prices for the 14 or 40 version of this low-end Windows machine combo and if one follows the link to the place to purchase either one, you find a 404 page not found error.
I wouldn't be in the market anyway, but just curious.
I personally would rather have a full fledged laptop and a braille display but I guess I can understand the appeal to some with the extended battery life they claim.

O well, I'll shut up now on this topic.



Richard

🖖 Live long and prosper


Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Les Kriegler
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

Hi Richard,

I'll be glad to try and answer your question with the understanding that I know far less than you. If someone was in the market for a braille note taker, the idea is that you have an integrated unit, braille display and ElBraille unit which runs the Windows Operating System. So you could run Office 365, 2019, 2016 or 2013. Many have Jaws already, so one does not have to buy Jaws again. For those who don't have a Jaws license, it will be more expensive, I don't know the price of the bundle for the unit, Focus 40 Five and Jaws. In my case, if I purchase the ElBraille 5, I only need the unit as I already have Jaws and the Focus 5 display. Hope this helps.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

OK, could someone who knows far more than I explain what the point is with this new device from FS?

ElBraille 40 V combines the flexibility of a modern mainstream computer running the Windows® 10 operating system with JAWS® and a 40-cell Braille display with a full Braille keyboard to offer a fully accessible compact solution. (JAWS and Braille display sold separately.

I copied the above from their web site. What is the point if you have to buy the Focus 40 blue and Jaws separately?
)




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner



On Jan 8, 2020, at 5:21 AM, Les Kriegler <kriegler01@...> wrote:



Hi Jessica,

If you check FS's site, you'll see that shipping is scheduled for this month. Back in October, the unit was supposed to be out in a matter of days. In November, the same statement was made on the FS OpenLine podcast. I have no idea as to what the issues are, as nobody has publicly indicated anything. I heard there was a parts issue, but that was supposed to have been resolved last September. The Focus 40 5 is definitely not out.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

Hi,
Earlier, someone mentioned delays.
Are there production delays?
Is the elbraille 5th generation out?
I keep checking the fs website, but last I saw, it said, "shippingin November."
Thanks,
Jessica





On Jan 8, 2020, at 7:42 AM, Michael Munn <michaelrbms@...> wrote:




I don't know whether you can connect the entire note taker and use it as a Braille display, but you can detach the Braille display and use the braille in conjunction with your iPhone.
Thanks for asking.
Best regards
Michael Munn


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On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:44 PM Michael Munn via Groups.Io <michaelrbms=gmail.com@groups.io <mailto:gmail.com@groups.io> > wrote:


It is a Windows 10 computer being compacted in to a small box. You can do anything that used to do on a Windows 10 computer to ElBraille 40. Note Taker.
> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Jessica D <jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Thank you both for the info.
> Can you use your microsoft account password, as your login password?
> This is what I do currently.
> I'm on the home annual license, and have activated 1 of my allowed 3 computers.
>
> Thanks,
> Jessica
>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:24 PM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@... <mailto:tcwood12@...> > wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> I have the Elbraille 14 and it is very well made. It is not the 40, but it is also detachable.
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Michael Munn
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:22 PM
>> To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
>> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>>
>> The El Braille 40 5 Generation is a very well made piece. I I have the opportunity to play with it during NFB Convention last year in Las Vegas NV and the size is a little big. That is the cons of the unit. The Pro of the El Braille 40 5th generation is that you can get a braille display along with 2 activation of Jaws. Unlike ElBraille 40 4th Generation, the El Braille display 5th generation is detachable from the docking Station. A user can take the Braille display with them.
>> Overall, This is a device that worth buying.
>> It is a little expensive though.
>>>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Jessica D <jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I currently have a Braillenote touch+ from HumanWare.
>>> However, due to battery and other issues, I had to send it in for repair.
>>> If they can’t fix it, I’m considering purchasing an ElBraille 40.
>>>
>>> Does anyone on here have experience with these devices?
>>> I tired to connect my braillenote to my computer for use with jaws, but it failed.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Jessica
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

moderated Re: Elbraille 40?

Tyler Wood
 

Hi,

I don’t take mine everywhere with me, simply because I have another laptop which is my main machine for work and other things, however….

I can’t speak for new, but I bought mine used for $1,400 Canadian dollars, which included the braille display and elbraille itself – I can’t get the braille display for that price brand new here.

Remember that this also comes with a sim card slot for mobile data – something that seems to be overlooked – and that it is a one piece device. Most laptops that come with a sim tray start at $1000 on their own.

I hate carrying two devices – having to find a place to set the laptop so I can work on my braille display, or vice versa, is just too much of a headache to me, and I can still detach the display if I want to use this with my phone or other computer. Plus, it is still much more compact than a regular laptop – at least the 14 cell version, and lasts for 3 times as long as any laptop out there.

I wouldn’t say that convenience factor is worth the price of a brand new elbraille unit, to me, but if I were to get a braille display I likely wouldn’t be bothered transporting along with my regular computer, either, which means it wouldn’t get used.

I still don’t use it as much as I should, but it is here and working if I ever need it, along with the computer it is attached to.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 4:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

 

Having everything in a single, compact device has its advantages. Whether that’s worth the price depends on each individual’s needs and circumstances.

 

From: <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of David Moore <jesusloves1966@...>
Reply-To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 17:26
To: "main@jfw.groups.io" <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

 

I have ben wondering, for the price, what is the advantage of using the El Braille instead of a small laptop and a Braille display!

My laptops are only $250.00!

I use win10 and everything!

I have never been able to figure this out, and I was wondering what you use the El Braille for that makes it worth the price from Vispero?

David More

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Michael Munn
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

 

on a Focus Braille To quickly switch between USB and Bluetooth is to hold down the Power Key and dot 123 

The Focus 40 5th Generation can connect up to 5 devices at a time via Bluetooth. 

Thanks for asking.

Best regards 

Michael Munn 

 

I agree, it seems to take a second or three to open up Word, where my desktop and laptop it seems like a second or less.  It works fine in word, but it does take a second or two to bring up the save as dialog.

The hard drive is small, you have to be careful not to fill it up.  It does have a data drive in addition to the regular drive.  I would say plan to install office 365, Jaws and windows 10 and not a lot beyond that.  On a positive note, I have not lost any files or data off of the hard drive, unlike a number of Braille note takers I have owned over 30+ years.

It is great to use actual windows 10 and office 365, rather than proprietary note taker software that can open word and excel files and edit them, but is not word or excel.

Randy Meyer

-----Original Message-----
From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:50 PM
To:
main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

That's about right yes. The machine has an EMMC solid state drive, so read and write times are a lot quicker than a conventional mechanical hard drive. Think of it like having a thumb drive with no moving parts inside the machine instead of the wurring hard drive.
The problem comes when you do processor intensive things. As I said though, for general office tasks and less resource intensive activities, it will get the job done. Perhaps not quite as speedily as other machines, but it will also give you 18 plus hours of batterylife.


-----Original Message-----
From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:46 PM
To:
main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

Hi,
I just watched a few youtube videos, that demoed the elbraille 14.
One of the videos showed booting up, and opening word, both of which, I thought were very fast.
It seemed like jaws was loaded in about 30 seconds, maybe more like a minute.
Is that accurate?

Thanks,
Jessica
> On Jan 8, 2020, at 3:25 PM, Tyler Wood <
tcwood12@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Randy,
> The elbraille 14 can be paired with Bluetooth to the gdp pocket. With a simple command, the unit can be switched from USB, which is how it communicate with the elbraille, to Bluetooth. Alternatively you could undo the USB connection from the docking station and connect it to the pocket. It's unfortunate that you have Bluetooth issues - I regularly use mine on my Android phone and switch back to the elbraille for other things.
> The docking station - essentially the part that is the windows computer - is slow, however is perfectly fine for general usage and as you said will give excellent batterylife compared with 99% of new laptops.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Meyer
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 1:38 PM
> To:
main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> I have an ElBraille 14.  I have found it to be slow.  It was affordable, as I already had Jaws, bought a used focus 14 display, and paid some where around $1,000 for the docking station.  I agree that the battery life is great.
>
> I recently purchased a mini laptop, the GDP Pocket for around $350 and pared it with a used focus 40 display I picked up at a reasonable price.  It is faster.  I found I needed to connect the display by cord, because Bluetooth was unreliable.  I like that it gives me the option to use the small keyboard on the computer instead of the Braille display keyboard.  I only do this when something stumps me for the correct Braille keyboard command.  The downside is far less battery life, especially because the Braille display draws from the computer's battery before using it's own.  I would say my battery life runs somewhere between 4 and 6 hours, depending on use, where the ElBraille is probably triple that.
>
> Purchasing the ElBraille did force me to learn all of the Braille keyboard commands, which gave me the confidence to purchase the GDP Pocket and try it with a Braille display.  I can put the ElBraille 14 in a jacket pocket or even a pants pocket, where I can not do that with a GDP Pocket with a 40-cell display.
>
> I still use both machines depending on the convenience factor and computer power needed.
>
> Randy Meyer
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
> Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:02 AM
> To:
main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> It is fascinating to me that their web site does not give any prices for the 14 or 40 version of this low-end Windows machine combo and if one follows the link to the place to purchase either one, you find a 404 page not found error.
> I wouldn't be in the market anyway, but just curious.
> I personally would rather have a full fledged laptop and a braille display but I guess I can understand the appeal to some with the extended battery life they claim.
>
> O well, I'll shut up now on this topic.
>
>
>
> Richard
>
>
🖖 Live long and prosper
>
>
> Check out my web site at:
www.turner42.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Les
> Kriegler
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:44 AM
> To:
main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> Hi Richard,
>
> I'll be glad to try and answer your question with the understanding that I know far less than you.  If someone was in the market for a braille note taker, the idea is that you have an integrated unit, braille display and ElBraille unit which runs the Windows Operating System.  So you could run Office 365, 2019, 2016 or 2013.  Many have Jaws already, so one does not have to buy Jaws again.  For those who don't have a Jaws license, it will be more expensive, I don't know the price of the bundle for the unit, Focus 40 Five and Jaws.  In my case, if I purchase the ElBraille 5, I only need the unit as I already have Jaws and the Focus 5 display.  Hope this helps.
>
> Les
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
> Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:33 AM
> To:
main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> OK, could someone who knows far more than I explain what the point is with this new device from FS?
>
> ElBraille 40 V combines the flexibility of a modern mainstream computer running the Windows® 10 operating system with JAWS® and a 40-cell Braille display with a full Braille keyboard to offer a fully accessible compact solution. (JAWS and Braille display sold separately.
>
> I copied the above from their web site. What is the point if you have to buy the Focus 40 blue and Jaws separately?
> )
>
>
>
>
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
> -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by
> Jane Wagner
>
>
>
>    On Jan 8, 2020, at 5:21 AM, Les Kriegler <
kriegler01@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>    Hi Jessica,
>
>    If you check FS's site, you'll see that shipping is scheduled for this month.  Back in October, the unit was supposed to be out in a matter of days.  In November, the same statement was made on the FS OpenLine podcast.  I have no idea as to what the issues are, as nobody has publicly indicated anything.  I heard there was a parts issue, but that was supposed to have been resolved last September.  The Focus 40 5 is definitely not out.
>
>    Les
>
>    -----Original Message-----
>    From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
>    Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:45 AM
>    To:
main@jfw.groups.io
>    Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
>    Hi,
>    Earlier, someone mentioned delays.
>    Are there production delays?
>    Is the elbraille 5th generation out?
>    I keep checking the fs website, but last I saw, it said, "shippingin November."
>    Thanks,
>    Jessica
>
>
>
>
>
>       On Jan 8, 2020, at 7:42 AM, Michael Munn <
michaelrbms@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>       
>       I don't know whether you can connect the entire note taker and  use it as a Braille display, but you can detach the Braille display and use the braille  in conjunction with your iPhone.
>       Thanks for asking.
>       Best regards
>       Michael  Munn
>
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>           It is a Windows 10 computer being compacted in to a small box. You can do anything that used to do on a Windows 10 computer to ElBraille 40. Note Taker.
>           > On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Jessica D <
jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote:
>           >
>           > Hi,
>           > Thank you both for the info.
>           > Can you use your microsoft account password, as your login password?
>           > This is what I do currently.
>           > I'm on the home annual license, and have activated 1 of my allowed 3 computers.
>           >
>           > Thanks,
>           > Jessica
>           >> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:24 PM, Tyler Wood <
tcwood12@... <mailto:tcwood12@...> > wrote:
>           >>
>           >> Hi,
>           >> I have the Elbraille 14 and it is very well made. It is not the 40, but it is also detachable.
>           >> Thanks
>           >>
>           >>
>           >> -----Original Message-----
>           >> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>  <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Michael Munn
>           >> Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:22 PM
>           >> To:
main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
>           >> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>           >>
>           >> The El Braille 40 5 Generation is a very well made piece. I I have the opportunity to play with it during NFB Convention last year in Las Vegas NV and the size is a little big. That is the cons of the unit. The Pro of the El Braille 40 5th generation is that you can get a braille display along with 2 activation of Jaws. Unlike ElBraille 40 4th Generation, the El Braille display 5th generation is detachable from the docking Station. A user can take the Braille display with them.
>           >> Overall, This is a device that worth buying.
>           >> It is a little expensive though.
>           >>>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Jessica D <
jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote:
>           >>>
>           >>> Hi,
>           >>> I currently have a Braillenote touch+ from HumanWare.
>           >>> However, due to battery and other issues, I had to send it in for repair.
>           >>> If they can’t fix it, I’m considering purchasing an ElBraille 40.
>           >>>
>           >>> Does anyone on here have experience with these devices?
>           >>> I tired to connect my braillenote to my computer for use with jaws, but it failed.
>           >>>
>           >>> Thanks,
>           >>>
>           >>> Jessica
>           >>>
>           >>>
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moderated Re: Elbraille 40?

Tyler Wood
 

Hi,
Yes. This is most likely because EMMC storage is a slightly lower end solid state drive than is probably in your laptop and / or desktop.
From what I am able to gather, that 128 gb Data drive is essentially a full size sd card that they have connected internally, but I might be wrong. You can move apps such as office 365 and OneDrive over to that in settings, as well as install things like dropbox on there as well, so that the drive which contains windows (a size of 32 GB) isn't taken up by that and you have more storage to work with.
The Braille lite and braille n speak product lines will always be close to my heart. They are what I grew up with and to this day their braille output remains one of their strong points.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Meyer
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 3:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

I agree, it seems to take a second or three to open up Word, where my desktop and laptop it seems like a second or less. It works fine in word, but it does take a second or two to bring up the save as dialog.

The hard drive is small, you have to be careful not to fill it up. It does have a data drive in addition to the regular drive. I would say plan to install office 365, Jaws and windows 10 and not a lot beyond that. On a positive note, I have not lost any files or data off of the hard drive, unlike a number of Braille note takers I have owned over 30+ years.

It is great to use actual windows 10 and office 365, rather than proprietary note taker software that can open word and excel files and edit them, but is not word or excel.

Randy Meyer

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

That's about right yes. The machine has an EMMC solid state drive, so read and write times are a lot quicker than a conventional mechanical hard drive. Think of it like having a thumb drive with no moving parts inside the machine instead of the wurring hard drive.
The problem comes when you do processor intensive things. As I said though, for general office tasks and less resource intensive activities, it will get the job done. Perhaps not quite as speedily as other machines, but it will also give you 18 plus hours of batterylife.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

Hi,
I just watched a few youtube videos, that demoed the elbraille 14.
One of the videos showed booting up, and opening word, both of which, I thought were very fast.
It seemed like jaws was loaded in about 30 seconds, maybe more like a minute.
Is that accurate?

Thanks,
Jessica
On Jan 8, 2020, at 3:25 PM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:

Hi Randy,
The elbraille 14 can be paired with Bluetooth to the gdp pocket. With a simple command, the unit can be switched from USB, which is how it communicate with the elbraille, to Bluetooth. Alternatively you could undo the USB connection from the docking station and connect it to the pocket. It's unfortunate that you have Bluetooth issues - I regularly use mine on my Android phone and switch back to the elbraille for other things.
The docking station - essentially the part that is the windows computer - is slow, however is perfectly fine for general usage and as you said will give excellent batterylife compared with 99% of new laptops.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Meyer
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 1:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

I have an ElBraille 14. I have found it to be slow. It was affordable, as I already had Jaws, bought a used focus 14 display, and paid some where around $1,000 for the docking station. I agree that the battery life is great.

I recently purchased a mini laptop, the GDP Pocket for around $350 and pared it with a used focus 40 display I picked up at a reasonable price. It is faster. I found I needed to connect the display by cord, because Bluetooth was unreliable. I like that it gives me the option to use the small keyboard on the computer instead of the Braille display keyboard. I only do this when something stumps me for the correct Braille keyboard command. The downside is far less battery life, especially because the Braille display draws from the computer's battery before using it's own. I would say my battery life runs somewhere between 4 and 6 hours, depending on use, where the ElBraille is probably triple that.

Purchasing the ElBraille did force me to learn all of the Braille keyboard commands, which gave me the confidence to purchase the GDP Pocket and try it with a Braille display. I can put the ElBraille 14 in a jacket pocket or even a pants pocket, where I can not do that with a GDP Pocket with a 40-cell display.

I still use both machines depending on the convenience factor and computer power needed.

Randy Meyer

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

It is fascinating to me that their web site does not give any prices for the 14 or 40 version of this low-end Windows machine combo and if one follows the link to the place to purchase either one, you find a 404 page not found error.
I wouldn't be in the market anyway, but just curious.
I personally would rather have a full fledged laptop and a braille display but I guess I can understand the appeal to some with the extended battery life they claim.

O well, I'll shut up now on this topic.



Richard

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Les
Kriegler
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

Hi Richard,

I'll be glad to try and answer your question with the understanding that I know far less than you. If someone was in the market for a braille note taker, the idea is that you have an integrated unit, braille display and ElBraille unit which runs the Windows Operating System. So you could run Office 365, 2019, 2016 or 2013. Many have Jaws already, so one does not have to buy Jaws again. For those who don't have a Jaws license, it will be more expensive, I don't know the price of the bundle for the unit, Focus 40 Five and Jaws. In my case, if I purchase the ElBraille 5, I only need the unit as I already have Jaws and the Focus 5 display. Hope this helps.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

OK, could someone who knows far more than I explain what the point is with this new device from FS?

ElBraille 40 V combines the flexibility of a modern mainstream computer running the Windows® 10 operating system with JAWS® and a 40-cell Braille display with a full Braille keyboard to offer a fully accessible compact solution. (JAWS and Braille display sold separately.

I copied the above from their web site. What is the point if you have to buy the Focus 40 blue and Jaws separately?
)




Richard
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Jane Wagner



On Jan 8, 2020, at 5:21 AM, Les Kriegler <kriegler01@...> wrote:



Hi Jessica,

If you check FS's site, you'll see that shipping is scheduled for this month. Back in October, the unit was supposed to be out in a matter of days. In November, the same statement was made on the FS OpenLine podcast. I have no idea as to what the issues are, as nobody has publicly indicated anything. I heard there was a parts issue, but that was supposed to have been resolved last September. The Focus 40 5 is definitely not out.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

Hi,
Earlier, someone mentioned delays.
Are there production delays?
Is the elbraille 5th generation out?
I keep checking the fs website, but last I saw, it said, "shippingin November."
Thanks,
Jessica





On Jan 8, 2020, at 7:42 AM, Michael Munn <michaelrbms@...> wrote:




I don't know whether you can connect the entire note taker and use it as a Braille display, but you can detach the Braille display and use the braille in conjunction with your iPhone.
Thanks for asking.
Best regards
Michael Munn



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On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:44 PM Michael Munn via Groups.Io <michaelrbms=gmail.com@groups.io <mailto:gmail.com@groups.io> > wrote:


It is a Windows 10 computer being compacted in to a small box. You can do anything that used to do on a Windows 10 computer to ElBraille 40. Note Taker.
> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Jessica D <jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Thank you both for the info.
> Can you use your microsoft account password, as your login password?
> This is what I do currently.
> I'm on the home annual license, and have activated 1 of my allowed 3 computers.
>
> Thanks,
> Jessica
>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:24 PM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@... <mailto:tcwood12@...> > wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> I have the Elbraille 14 and it is very well made. It is not the 40, but it is also detachable.
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Michael Munn
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:22 PM
>> To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
>> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>>
>> The El Braille 40 5 Generation is a very well made piece. I I have the opportunity to play with it during NFB Convention last year in Las Vegas NV and the size is a little big. That is the cons of the unit. The Pro of the El Braille 40 5th generation is that you can get a braille display along with 2 activation of Jaws. Unlike ElBraille 40 4th Generation, the El Braille display 5th generation is detachable from the docking Station. A user can take the Braille display with them.
>> Overall, This is a device that worth buying.
>> It is a little expensive though.
>>>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Jessica D <jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I currently have a Braillenote touch+ from HumanWare.
>>> However, due to battery and other issues, I had to send it in for repair.
>>> If they can’t fix it, I’m considering purchasing an ElBraille 40.
>>>
>>> Does anyone on here have experience with these devices?
>>> I tired to connect my braillenote to my computer for use with jaws, but it failed.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Jessica
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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moderated Re: Elbraille 40?

Tyler Wood
 

It will handle it, but you’ll have to be patient. iTunes is a notorious resource hog – and if you use it for your daily music needs, might I recommend something like Foobar 2000, which has a much smaller footprint.

At least now Jaws works out of the box with iTunes, rather than paying ridiculous prices for scripts, at least in theory.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

 

Hi, 

How does the device handle itunes? 

I was trying to do something in itunes earlier, and jaws quit talking altogether, until I moved focus away from the app. 

Thanks,

Jessica

 



On Jan 8, 2020, at 5:53 PM, Jason White via Groups.Io <jason@...> wrote:



Having everything in a single, compact device has its advantages. Whether that’s worth the price depends on each individual’s needs and circumstances.

 

From: <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of David Moore <jesusloves1966@...>
Reply-To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 17:26
To: "main@jfw.groups.io" <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

 

I have ben wondering, for the price, what is the advantage of using the El Braille instead of a small laptop and a Braille display!

My laptops are only $250.00!

I use win10 and everything!

I have never been able to figure this out, and I was wondering what you use the El Braille for that makes it worth the price from Vispero?

David More

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Michael Munn
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

 

on a Focus Braille To quickly switch between USB and Bluetooth is to hold down the Power Key and dot 123 

The Focus 40 5th Generation can connect up to 5 devices at a time via Bluetooth. 

Thanks for asking.

Best regards 

Michael Munn 

 

I agree, it seems to take a second or three to open up Word, where my desktop and laptop it seems like a second or less.  It works fine in word, but it does take a second or two to bring up the save as dialog.

The hard drive is small, you have to be careful not to fill it up.  It does have a data drive in addition to the regular drive.  I would say plan to install office 365, Jaws and windows 10 and not a lot beyond that.  On a positive note, I have not lost any files or data off of the hard drive, unlike a number of Braille note takers I have owned over 30+ years.

It is great to use actual windows 10 and office 365, rather than proprietary note taker software that can open word and excel files and edit them, but is not word or excel.

Randy Meyer

-----Original Message-----
From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:50 PM
To:
main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

That's about right yes. The machine has an EMMC solid state drive, so read and write times are a lot quicker than a conventional mechanical hard drive. Think of it like having a thumb drive with no moving parts inside the machine instead of the wurring hard drive.
The problem comes when you do processor intensive things. As I said though, for general office tasks and less resource intensive activities, it will get the job done. Perhaps not quite as speedily as other machines, but it will also give you 18 plus hours of batterylife.


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From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:46 PM
To:
main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

Hi,
I just watched a few youtube videos, that demoed the elbraille 14.
One of the videos showed booting up, and opening word, both of which, I thought were very fast.
It seemed like jaws was loaded in about 30 seconds, maybe more like a minute.
Is that accurate?

Thanks,
Jessica
> On Jan 8, 2020, at 3:25 PM, Tyler Wood <
tcwood12@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Randy,
> The elbraille 14 can be paired with Bluetooth to the gdp pocket. With a simple command, the unit can be switched from USB, which is how it communicate with the elbraille, to Bluetooth. Alternatively you could undo the USB connection from the docking station and connect it to the pocket. It's unfortunate that you have Bluetooth issues - I regularly use mine on my Android phone and switch back to the elbraille for other things.
> The docking station - essentially the part that is the windows computer - is slow, however is perfectly fine for general usage and as you said will give excellent batterylife compared with 99% of new laptops.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Meyer
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 1:38 PM
> To:
main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> I have an ElBraille 14.  I have found it to be slow.  It was affordable, as I already had Jaws, bought a used focus 14 display, and paid some where around $1,000 for the docking station.  I agree that the battery life is great.
>
> I recently purchased a mini laptop, the GDP Pocket for around $350 and pared it with a used focus 40 display I picked up at a reasonable price.  It is faster.  I found I needed to connect the display by cord, because Bluetooth was unreliable.  I like that it gives me the option to use the small keyboard on the computer instead of the Braille display keyboard.  I only do this when something stumps me for the correct Braille keyboard command.  The downside is far less battery life, especially because the Braille display draws from the computer's battery before using it's own.  I would say my battery life runs somewhere between 4 and 6 hours, depending on use, where the ElBraille is probably triple that.
>
> Purchasing the ElBraille did force me to learn all of the Braille keyboard commands, which gave me the confidence to purchase the GDP Pocket and try it with a Braille display.  I can put the ElBraille 14 in a jacket pocket or even a pants pocket, where I can not do that with a GDP Pocket with a 40-cell display.
>
> I still use both machines depending on the convenience factor and computer power needed.
>
> Randy Meyer
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
> Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:02 AM
> To:
main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> It is fascinating to me that their web site does not give any prices for the 14 or 40 version of this low-end Windows machine combo and if one follows the link to the place to purchase either one, you find a 404 page not found error.
> I wouldn't be in the market anyway, but just curious.
> I personally would rather have a full fledged laptop and a braille display but I guess I can understand the appeal to some with the extended battery life they claim.
>
> O well, I'll shut up now on this topic.
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> Richard
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>
🖖 Live long and prosper
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>
> Check out my web site at:
www.turner42.com
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> -----Original Message-----
> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Les
> Kriegler
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:44 AM
> To:
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> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> Hi Richard,
>
> I'll be glad to try and answer your question with the understanding that I know far less than you.  If someone was in the market for a braille note taker, the idea is that you have an integrated unit, braille display and ElBraille unit which runs the Windows Operating System.  So you could run Office 365, 2019, 2016 or 2013.  Many have Jaws already, so one does not have to buy Jaws again.  For those who don't have a Jaws license, it will be more expensive, I don't know the price of the bundle for the unit, Focus 40 Five and Jaws.  In my case, if I purchase the ElBraille 5, I only need the unit as I already have Jaws and the Focus 5 display.  Hope this helps.
>
> Les
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
> Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:33 AM
> To:
main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> OK, could someone who knows far more than I explain what the point is with this new device from FS?
>
> ElBraille 40 V combines the flexibility of a modern mainstream computer running the Windows® 10 operating system with JAWS® and a 40-cell Braille display with a full Braille keyboard to offer a fully accessible compact solution. (JAWS and Braille display sold separately.
>
> I copied the above from their web site. What is the point if you have to buy the Focus 40 blue and Jaws separately?
> )
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>
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
> -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by
> Jane Wagner
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>    On Jan 8, 2020, at 5:21 AM, Les Kriegler <
kriegler01@...> wrote:
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>    Hi Jessica,
>
>    If you check FS's site, you'll see that shipping is scheduled for this month.  Back in October, the unit was supposed to be out in a matter of days.  In November, the same statement was made on the FS OpenLine podcast.  I have no idea as to what the issues are, as nobody has publicly indicated anything.  I heard there was a parts issue, but that was supposed to have been resolved last September.  The Focus 40 5 is definitely not out.
>
>    Les
>
>    -----Original Message-----
>    From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
>    Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:45 AM
>    To:
main@jfw.groups.io
>    Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
>    Hi,
>    Earlier, someone mentioned delays.
>    Are there production delays?
>    Is the elbraille 5th generation out?
>    I keep checking the fs website, but last I saw, it said, "shippingin November."
>    Thanks,
>    Jessica
>
>
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>
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>       On Jan 8, 2020, at 7:42 AM, Michael Munn <
michaelrbms@...> wrote:
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>       
>       I don't know whether you can connect the entire note taker and  use it as a Braille display, but you can detach the Braille display and use the braille  in conjunction with your iPhone.
>       Thanks for asking.
>       Best regards
>       Michael  Munn
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>       On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:44 PM Michael Munn via Groups.Io <michaelrbms=
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>           It is a Windows 10 computer being compacted in to a small box. You can do anything that used to do on a Windows 10 computer to ElBraille 40. Note Taker.
>           > On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Jessica D <
jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote:
>           >
>           > Hi,
>           > Thank you both for the info.
>           > Can you use your microsoft account password, as your login password?
>           > This is what I do currently.
>           > I'm on the home annual license, and have activated 1 of my allowed 3 computers.
>           >
>           > Thanks,
>           > Jessica
>           >> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:24 PM, Tyler Wood <
tcwood12@... <mailto:tcwood12@...> > wrote:
>           >>
>           >> Hi,
>           >> I have the Elbraille 14 and it is very well made. It is not the 40, but it is also detachable.
>           >> Thanks
>           >>
>           >>
>           >> -----Original Message-----
>           >> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>  <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Michael Munn
>           >> Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:22 PM
>           >> To:
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>           >> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>           >>
>           >> The El Braille 40 5 Generation is a very well made piece. I I have the opportunity to play with it during NFB Convention last year in Las Vegas NV and the size is a little big. That is the cons of the unit. The Pro of the El Braille 40 5th generation is that you can get a braille display along with 2 activation of Jaws. Unlike ElBraille 40 4th Generation, the El Braille display 5th generation is detachable from the docking Station. A user can take the Braille display with them.
>           >> Overall, This is a device that worth buying.
>           >> It is a little expensive though.
>           >>>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Jessica D <
jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote:
>           >>>
>           >>> Hi,
>           >>> I currently have a Braillenote touch+ from HumanWare.
>           >>> However, due to battery and other issues, I had to send it in for repair.
>           >>> If they can’t fix it, I’m considering purchasing an ElBraille 40.
>           >>>
>           >>> Does anyone on here have experience with these devices?
>           >>> I tired to connect my braillenote to my computer for use with jaws, but it failed.
>           >>>
>           >>> Thanks,
>           >>>
>           >>> Jessica
>           >>>
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